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I can't believe people are bailing on Schoen & Daboll

Sean : 9/22/2023 11:22 am
I guess nothing on BBI should really surprise me. This is a team that overachieved by a wide margin last year and *won* a playoff game. This regime has an 11-10-1 overall record despite many people saying the franchise was years away from even being competitive after 2021. And here we are at 1-2, and we have fans already talking about how Schoen should only get one more off-season to fix it. Someone on the post game thread said if things don't turn around they wouldn't even give Schoen and Daboll 2024.

We really do have some idiots in this fanbase. People here wanting to penalize this regime for overachieving last season. Most people expected regression this season after a lot of one score wins. Vegas had the win total at 7.5.

So, Gettleman gets 4 seasons, but Schoen is lucky to get 3? Schoen hasn't even had the opportunity to draft his own QB (something Reese never got either), but somehow Gettleman gets that luxury?

I just couldn't believe the stuff I was reading last night. Who would want to come here if this franchise reset AGAIN despite winning a playoff game last year when no one expected it.

Everyone needs to relax. The Giants are 1-2 and the season is in its infancy stages.
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GM needs 4-5 years  
JB_in_DC : 9/22/2023 7:57 pm : link
Non-negotiable barring serious personal issues.
RE: Fair critique  
Percy : 9/22/2023 8:11 pm : link
In comment 16217635 Hilary said:
It is not unfair to complain
They did very poorly in the 2022 draft with 11 picks 2 in top 10
Glowinski not a good signing2022
2023 off season focused on receivers and other than JMS ignored O line

Jones very under valued on this board
2023 draft better with JS having more of his people in place

Not only not unfair, but, adding in no free agency results, plainly disappointing. Do they know what they are doing?
I Love BBI  
Chef : 9/22/2023 8:25 pm : link
Hug's and kisses, Roman Marroni
Bill E : 9/22/2023 9:43 pm : link
...aren't cutting Jones, because he ain't the problem.
Simple question. Are we playing better than last year?  
kelly : 9/22/2023 11:12 pm : link
I don't think so. We added free agents and draft picks. Year two in the offense and defense schemes. Same coaches.

And yet based on the play to date i do not see a better team.

People say on paper we are better. That is pointless. Its how you play on the field that counts.

We arent getting it done on the field.

This team was not ready to start the season. That is on Dabol. Soft preseason soft start to season.
RE: RE: RE: RE: .  
ChrisRick : 9/22/2023 11:35 pm : link
In comment 16218215 BlackLight said:
In comment 16218200 ChrisRick said:


In comment 16218167 BlackLight said:


In comment 16217563 ChrisRick said:


I am not bailing but it is fair to question if they are the right ones for the job. The playoff run last year was awesome, but it was one year.

One good year isn't enough to tell if they're right for the job, but two bad weeks means it's fair to start questioning them?

I never jumped on the bandwagon, essentially I have been questioning them from the start. Last year was one year of results.

You called last year's playoff run "awesome." There were only three outcomes to last season that would've been objectively better than the one we eventually got, so I think it's now fair to question just what would meet your definition of success.

They had a successful first season, one season. That is all it took for you to be onboard, I am holding out a bit longer.
There’s basically 4 areas of football to look at  
JT039 : 9/22/2023 11:45 pm : link
Running the Ball
Throwing the Ball
Stopping the run
Stopping the pass

Which one can you say we are good at? Hell, even average at?
ChrisRick : 9/23/2023 12:05 am : link
Yes there are varying degrees of success which affect the amount of support something receives. In this case Schoen and Daboll took a roster that most would agree was not a good roster and accomplished a playoff birth with a road win, which was impressive (awesome). That was enough for some fans to complete their own evaluation process to accept Schoen and Daboll as the gm and coach that would finally end the revolving door at those two positions. Some fans want to see more before we sign off on them.

How much success would have been enough after only one season for me? Well that depends, I really do not like using a single season to sign up for the future.

It is not like I am saying the Giants should move on from them which would be quite hasty. Some fans just want to see more before we are confident in what we have. The good thing is that since I am just a fan I don’t have to worry about making a decision like the owner of the team would. I can afford to wait longer before I decide even when other fans think that is a brutal decision way of thinking.

Schoen hasn’t had much cap flexibility  
bceagle05 : 9/23/2023 12:06 am : link
in his first two years - this offseason will be his first chance to dramatically improve the roster in free agency + the draft, and I think he’ll rise to the occasion.

He acknowledged the Waller trade was a hedge against the lack of #1 WRs in free agency and draft (by the late first round) - I suspect they’ll pounce on one this offseason. A #1 WR (Higgins? Evans? Draft?), edge rusher and OL will go a long way toward raising the ceiling of this team.
so far  
Shirk130 : 9/23/2023 5:59 am : link
and yes it's incredibly early, but a 3rd for Waller seems to be a massive overpay. I didn't see him a lot when he was with the Raiders but from what I was hearing from fans on this board I was expecting a lot more than I've seen.And maybe he's having hamstring issues but isn't that why they were trading him in the first place?
ryanmkeane : 9/23/2023 8:57 am : link
Goal should be 5-4 before Dallas.
RE: ...  
JT039 : 9/23/2023 8:58 am : link
In comment 16218362 ryanmkeane said:
Goal should be 5-4 before Dallas.

At this rate - 5 wins for the season should be the goal.
People baiking on Daboll and Schoen  
nygiants16 : 9/23/2023 1:38 pm : link
Should go look at the Niners bottoming out i believe in Shanahan's 2nd or 3rd year and the Niners just stayed the course, Giants need to do the same if they bottom out, you dont panic at the first sign of adversity
RE: People baiking on Daboll and Schoen  
BrettNYG10 : 9/23/2023 1:47 pm : link
In comment 16218688 nygiants16 said:
Should go look at the Niners bottoming out i believe in Shanahan's 2nd or 3rd year and the Niners just stayed the course, Giants need to do the same if they bottom out, you dont panic at the first sign of adversity

I don't disagree with your point but their starting QB suffered a season ending injury in week three of the second year (when they went 4-12).

Conversely, the Giants held onto Gettleman for four whole years when I thought it was pretty clear from the get go he was a disaster.

Each situation is different. Daboll had a masterful first year, I'm very high on him. I think Schoen is much more TBD--partly due to the GM needing more time to marinate, partly due to him being cap constrained the past couple off-seasons. I think the jury will remain out on him for at least another year or two.
RE: People baiking on Daboll and Schoen  
Sean : 9/23/2023 1:59 pm : link
In comment 16218688 nygiants16 said:
Should go look at the Niners bottoming out i believe in Shanahan's 2nd or 3rd year and the Niners just stayed the course, Giants need to do the same if they bottom out, you dont panic at the first sign of adversity

Great post. A lot of people forget how poor some of those Shanahan/Lynch seasons were.
ChrisRick : 9/23/2023 5:39 pm : link
Again who is really bailing on Schoen and Daboll? Sure there are few select crazies, but I don’t see any rational fan saying they are done. It seems to really bother some fans that not all of us jumped on the bandwagon after last season.
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