If they didn’t go 11 for the first 14 on third downs.
Third down defense was awful
49ers were 9-of-16 on third down.
They also had 4 first downs by penalty. If they came on third down, they don't count as third down conversions by NFL stat rules (since the third down play, in effect, never happened).
5m+ 3x per half. in the first half the niners had drives of:
6:16 (15 plays to open the game, FG)
6:24 (11 plays, TD)
4:43 (11 plays, TD)
and their 4th possession was a punt but still 2:30 of possession
the giants had 4 possessions and got 2 FGs, 2 punts (3 and outs). 1 of them was a 12 play 5m+ drive of their own.
in the second half it was the same story, after the giants offense scored the TD, SF went on a 5 minute drive. and then did the same on their next possession. both field goals. and then the same on their next possession except for a TD.
the giants defense allowed 3 drives of 5 minutes per each half.
this was a game where we knew the defense would have to step up given all the injuries on offense and the 49ers defense. they had to get purdy to make some mistakes and when he did they simply didnt capitalize on them. they had 2 good INT chances in the first half they couldnt take advantage of.
the defense still has 0 turnovers on the season right?
5m+ 3x per half. in the first half the niners had drives of:
6:16 (15 plays to open the game, FG)
6:24 (11 plays, TD)
4:43 (11 plays, TD)
and their 4th possession was a punt but still 2:30 of possession
the giants had 4 possessions and got 2 FGs, 2 punts (3 and outs). 1 of them was a 12 play 5m+ drive of their own.
in the second half it was the same story, after the giants offense scored the TD, SF went on a 5 minute drive. and then did the same on their next possession. both field goals. and then the same on their next possession except for a TD.
the giants defense allowed 3 drives of 5 minutes per each half.
this was a game where we knew the defense would have to step up given all the injuries on offense and the 49ers defense. they had to get purdy to make some mistakes and when he did they simply didnt capitalize on them. they had 2 good INT chances in the first half they couldnt take advantage of.
Yes and no.
The Giants offense had 10 first downs all night. And two of those came after the score was 30-12.
You can also argue that there is not much the defense can do when the offense can't stay on the field.
Both the offense and defense both contributed significantly to the loss last night. The offense could not sustain drives and the defense could not get off the field. I would say the defense was a little more responsible because of the key players out on offense. The offense was going to need more opportunities because of those players missing.
RE: RE: not much the offense can do when a defensive gives up drives of
5m+ 3x per half. in the first half the niners had drives of:
6:16 (15 plays to open the game, FG)
6:24 (11 plays, TD)
4:43 (11 plays, TD)
and their 4th possession was a punt but still 2:30 of possession
the giants had 4 possessions and got 2 FGs, 2 punts (3 and outs). 1 of them was a 12 play 5m+ drive of their own.
in the second half it was the same story, after the giants offense scored the TD, SF went on a 5 minute drive. and then did the same on their next possession. both field goals. and then the same on their next possession except for a TD.
the giants defense allowed 3 drives of 5 minutes per each half.
this was a game where we knew the defense would have to step up given all the injuries on offense and the 49ers defense. they had to get purdy to make some mistakes and when he did they simply didnt capitalize on them. they had 2 good INT chances in the first half they couldnt take advantage of.
Yes and no.
The Giants offense had 10 first downs all night. And two of those came after the score was 30-12.
You can also argue that there is not much the defense can do when the offense can't stay on the field.
everyone knew going into the game that if the giants got behind and SF went into pass rush mode the offense had almost no chance.
SF gets the ball first and goes on a 6+ minute drive. the nyg offense matches.
then both teams trade punts.
then SF goes on an 11 play drive again 6+ minutes. on that drive they completed the 3rd and 13 screen pass to CMC and the 3rd and 15 screen to debo. those were the plays they absolutely couldn't afford to give up and win this game. those plays are not on the offense.
on the next giants offensive drive they got sacked on 3rd and 2 so they punt.
the nyg d gives up another 11 play TD drive. i think this was the one where jackson had the INT chance but missed it but not positive, almost certain that was first half though on 1 of their scoring drives.
giants answer with a fg but it's 17-6 at half. SF on pace to score 30+ points. was there any recipe in this game for the giants to win if SF is scoring 30+ points?
bottomline, the giants defense had chances to get off the field and convert turnovers in the first half and they didnt do it. the fact that the giants got a td and got the game to 17-12 after the half was when the game all of sudden was a lot more competitive than it should have been.
the only way they were winning was if the giants defense could have gotten a turnover or done something to take the 49ers off the 30 point pace but they couldnt do that. SF went on an 11 play drive right after the TD to extend the lead to 20-12.
the one thing ill say is waller had a very bad game. if he would have made the plays he had on 3rd downs the way deebo and cmc did, the giants would have had at least 2 fewer 3 and outs. so yes both sides left plays out there but i think the defense clearly had more opportunities they left on the field than the offense despite missing fewer key players than the offense.
the defense allowed two especially heinous third downs on ONE drive ... HOWEVER, outside of that, they played pretty well and DEFINITELY kept the Giants in the game deep into the second half.
the defense allowed two especially heinous third downs on ONE drive ... HOWEVER, outside of that, they played pretty well and DEFINITELY kept the Giants in the game deep into the second half.
at some point in the game the defense had to do something positive and they didn't. they bent but didnt break, and then eventually broke.
when the offense got their 1 touchdown that looked like it could have been a possible spark and then the defense gave up another long drive, with another terrible 3rd down conversion (the holmes hold).
RE: RE: RE: not much the offense can do when a defensive gives up drives of
5m+ 3x per half. in the first half the niners had drives of:
6:16 (15 plays to open the game, FG)
6:24 (11 plays, TD)
4:43 (11 plays, TD)
and their 4th possession was a punt but still 2:30 of possession
the giants had 4 possessions and got 2 FGs, 2 punts (3 and outs). 1 of them was a 12 play 5m+ drive of their own.
in the second half it was the same story, after the giants offense scored the TD, SF went on a 5 minute drive. and then did the same on their next possession. both field goals. and then the same on their next possession except for a TD.
the giants defense allowed 3 drives of 5 minutes per each half.
this was a game where we knew the defense would have to step up given all the injuries on offense and the 49ers defense. they had to get purdy to make some mistakes and when he did they simply didnt capitalize on them. they had 2 good INT chances in the first half they couldnt take advantage of.
Yes and no.
The Giants offense had 10 first downs all night. And two of those came after the score was 30-12.
You can also argue that there is not much the defense can do when the offense can't stay on the field.
everyone knew going into the game that if the giants got behind and SF went into pass rush mode the offense had almost no chance.
SF gets the ball first and goes on a 6+ minute drive. the nyg offense matches.
then both teams trade punts.
then SF goes on an 11 play drive again 6+ minutes. on that drive they completed the 3rd and 13 screen pass to CMC and the 3rd and 15 screen to debo. those were the plays they absolutely couldn't afford to give up and win this game. those plays are not on the offense.
on the next giants offensive drive they got sacked on 3rd and 2 so they punt.
the nyg d gives up another 11 play TD drive. i think this was the one where jackson had the INT chance but missed it but not positive, almost certain that was first half though on 1 of their scoring drives.
giants answer with a fg but it's 17-6 at half. SF on pace to score 30+ points. was there any recipe in this game for the giants to win if SF is scoring 30+ points?
bottomline, the giants defense had chances to get off the field and convert turnovers in the first half and they didnt do it. the fact that the giants got a td and got the game to 17-12 after the half was when the game all of sudden was a lot more competitive than it should have been.
the only way they were winning was if the giants defense could have gotten a turnover or done something to take the 49ers off the 30 point pace but they couldnt do that. SF went on an 11 play drive right after the TD to extend the lead to 20-12.
the one thing ill say is waller had a very bad game. if he would have made the plays he had on 3rd downs the way deebo and cmc did, the giants would have had at least 2 fewer 3 and outs. so yes both sides left plays out there but i think the defense clearly had more opportunities they left on the field than the offense despite missing fewer key players than the offense.
Exactly. Defense needed to step up. They didn't play a terrible game, but the third down defense was just unacceptable. And the four third down penalties are just backbreaking.
but I can't agree to say that one side of the football was more of an issue than the other.
We got sounds beaten on both sides of the ball. And this is coming from a guy who preaches defense first and foremost. Yes, the defense needs to get the 49ers off of the field. But the offense also has to stay on the field.
but I can't agree to say that one side of the football was more of an issue than the other.
We got sounds beaten on both sides of the ball. And this is coming from a guy who preaches defense first and foremost. Yes, the defense needs to get the 49ers off of the field. But the offense also has to stay on the field.
We had five first downs per half.
Complementary heavy-handed football by men of integrity.
but I can't agree to say that one side of the football was more of an issue than the other.
We got sounds beaten on both sides of the ball. And this is coming from a guy who preaches defense first and foremost. Yes, the defense needs to get the 49ers off of the field. But the offense also has to stay on the field.
We had five first downs per half.
given the OL they were playing if both sides were equally responsible the O overachieved and the D underachieved.
the offense was missing 4/11 week 1 starters including 3 OL and probably their 2 best offensive players.
the defense was only missing 1 starter (ojulari) and facing the 49ers only real weakness (purdy).
also not for nothing not only is the defense healthier right now
it's almost like they had 3 young OL playing in their 2nd NFL games in the last 2 years at their respective positions and going all pros nick bosa and javon hargrave.
When your defense allows the opposition to go 7 for 9 in third down
conversions in first half that should be no surprise at all
The defense sucked big time.
Honestly, we should have intercepted Purdy several times but we suck at turnovers
If they didn’t go 11 for the first 14 on third downs.
Third down defense was awful
Yup. And those two 3-13 and 3-15 were beyond embarrassing. They let the Cards drop 28. The offense was without Barkley and Thomas. Two of the best at their position in the NFL and the offense still played better Than the defense.
Third down defense was awful
Third down defense was awful
49ers were 9-of-16 on third down.
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If they didn’t go 11 for the first 14 on third downs.
Third down defense was awful
49ers were 9-of-16 on third down.
They also had 4 first downs by penalty. If they came on third down, they don't count as third down conversions by NFL stat rules (since the third down play, in effect, never happened).
#FootballFact: A poor tackling defense is a perpetual liability..
This was embarrassing the amount of missed tackles tonight
6:16 (15 plays to open the game, FG)
6:24 (11 plays, TD)
4:43 (11 plays, TD)
and their 4th possession was a punt but still 2:30 of possession
the giants had 4 possessions and got 2 FGs, 2 punts (3 and outs). 1 of them was a 12 play 5m+ drive of their own.
in the second half it was the same story, after the giants offense scored the TD, SF went on a 5 minute drive. and then did the same on their next possession. both field goals. and then the same on their next possession except for a TD.
the giants defense allowed 3 drives of 5 minutes per each half.
this was a game where we knew the defense would have to step up given all the injuries on offense and the 49ers defense. they had to get purdy to make some mistakes and when he did they simply didnt capitalize on them. they had 2 good INT chances in the first half they couldnt take advantage of.
6:16 (15 plays to open the game, FG)
6:24 (11 plays, TD)
4:43 (11 plays, TD)
and their 4th possession was a punt but still 2:30 of possession
the giants had 4 possessions and got 2 FGs, 2 punts (3 and outs). 1 of them was a 12 play 5m+ drive of their own.
in the second half it was the same story, after the giants offense scored the TD, SF went on a 5 minute drive. and then did the same on their next possession. both field goals. and then the same on their next possession except for a TD.
the giants defense allowed 3 drives of 5 minutes per each half.
this was a game where we knew the defense would have to step up given all the injuries on offense and the 49ers defense. they had to get purdy to make some mistakes and when he did they simply didnt capitalize on them. they had 2 good INT chances in the first half they couldnt take advantage of.
Yes and no.
The Giants offense had 10 first downs all night. And two of those came after the score was 30-12.
You can also argue that there is not much the defense can do when the offense can't stay on the field.
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5m+ 3x per half. in the first half the niners had drives of:
6:16 (15 plays to open the game, FG)
6:24 (11 plays, TD)
4:43 (11 plays, TD)
and their 4th possession was a punt but still 2:30 of possession
the giants had 4 possessions and got 2 FGs, 2 punts (3 and outs). 1 of them was a 12 play 5m+ drive of their own.
in the second half it was the same story, after the giants offense scored the TD, SF went on a 5 minute drive. and then did the same on their next possession. both field goals. and then the same on their next possession except for a TD.
the giants defense allowed 3 drives of 5 minutes per each half.
this was a game where we knew the defense would have to step up given all the injuries on offense and the 49ers defense. they had to get purdy to make some mistakes and when he did they simply didnt capitalize on them. they had 2 good INT chances in the first half they couldnt take advantage of.
Yes and no.
The Giants offense had 10 first downs all night. And two of those came after the score was 30-12.
You can also argue that there is not much the defense can do when the offense can't stay on the field.
everyone knew going into the game that if the giants got behind and SF went into pass rush mode the offense had almost no chance.
SF gets the ball first and goes on a 6+ minute drive. the nyg offense matches.
then both teams trade punts.
then SF goes on an 11 play drive again 6+ minutes. on that drive they completed the 3rd and 13 screen pass to CMC and the 3rd and 15 screen to debo. those were the plays they absolutely couldn't afford to give up and win this game. those plays are not on the offense.
on the next giants offensive drive they got sacked on 3rd and 2 so they punt.
the nyg d gives up another 11 play TD drive. i think this was the one where jackson had the INT chance but missed it but not positive, almost certain that was first half though on 1 of their scoring drives.
giants answer with a fg but it's 17-6 at half. SF on pace to score 30+ points. was there any recipe in this game for the giants to win if SF is scoring 30+ points?
bottomline, the giants defense had chances to get off the field and convert turnovers in the first half and they didnt do it. the fact that the giants got a td and got the game to 17-12 after the half was when the game all of sudden was a lot more competitive than it should have been.
the only way they were winning was if the giants defense could have gotten a turnover or done something to take the 49ers off the 30 point pace but they couldnt do that. SF went on an 11 play drive right after the TD to extend the lead to 20-12.
the one thing ill say is waller had a very bad game. if he would have made the plays he had on 3rd downs the way deebo and cmc did, the giants would have had at least 2 fewer 3 and outs. so yes both sides left plays out there but i think the defense clearly had more opportunities they left on the field than the offense despite missing fewer key players than the offense.
at some point in the game the defense had to do something positive and they didn't. they bent but didnt break, and then eventually broke.
when the offense got their 1 touchdown that looked like it could have been a possible spark and then the defense gave up another long drive, with another terrible 3rd down conversion (the holmes hold).
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5m+ 3x per half. in the first half the niners had drives of:
6:16 (15 plays to open the game, FG)
6:24 (11 plays, TD)
4:43 (11 plays, TD)
and their 4th possession was a punt but still 2:30 of possession
the giants had 4 possessions and got 2 FGs, 2 punts (3 and outs). 1 of them was a 12 play 5m+ drive of their own.
in the second half it was the same story, after the giants offense scored the TD, SF went on a 5 minute drive. and then did the same on their next possession. both field goals. and then the same on their next possession except for a TD.
the giants defense allowed 3 drives of 5 minutes per each half.
this was a game where we knew the defense would have to step up given all the injuries on offense and the 49ers defense. they had to get purdy to make some mistakes and when he did they simply didnt capitalize on them. they had 2 good INT chances in the first half they couldnt take advantage of.
Yes and no.
The Giants offense had 10 first downs all night. And two of those came after the score was 30-12.
You can also argue that there is not much the defense can do when the offense can't stay on the field.
everyone knew going into the game that if the giants got behind and SF went into pass rush mode the offense had almost no chance.
SF gets the ball first and goes on a 6+ minute drive. the nyg offense matches.
then both teams trade punts.
then SF goes on an 11 play drive again 6+ minutes. on that drive they completed the 3rd and 13 screen pass to CMC and the 3rd and 15 screen to debo. those were the plays they absolutely couldn't afford to give up and win this game. those plays are not on the offense.
on the next giants offensive drive they got sacked on 3rd and 2 so they punt.
the nyg d gives up another 11 play TD drive. i think this was the one where jackson had the INT chance but missed it but not positive, almost certain that was first half though on 1 of their scoring drives.
giants answer with a fg but it's 17-6 at half. SF on pace to score 30+ points. was there any recipe in this game for the giants to win if SF is scoring 30+ points?
bottomline, the giants defense had chances to get off the field and convert turnovers in the first half and they didnt do it. the fact that the giants got a td and got the game to 17-12 after the half was when the game all of sudden was a lot more competitive than it should have been.
the only way they were winning was if the giants defense could have gotten a turnover or done something to take the 49ers off the 30 point pace but they couldnt do that. SF went on an 11 play drive right after the TD to extend the lead to 20-12.
the one thing ill say is waller had a very bad game. if he would have made the plays he had on 3rd downs the way deebo and cmc did, the giants would have had at least 2 fewer 3 and outs. so yes both sides left plays out there but i think the defense clearly had more opportunities they left on the field than the offense despite missing fewer key players than the offense.
Exactly. Defense needed to step up. They didn't play a terrible game, but the third down defense was just unacceptable. And the four third down penalties are just backbreaking.
We got sounds beaten on both sides of the ball. And this is coming from a guy who preaches defense first and foremost. Yes, the defense needs to get the 49ers off of the field. But the offense also has to stay on the field.
We had five first downs per half.
We got sounds beaten on both sides of the ball. And this is coming from a guy who preaches defense first and foremost. Yes, the defense needs to get the 49ers off of the field. But the offense also has to stay on the field.
We had five first downs per half.
Complementary heavy-handed football by men of integrity.
We got sounds beaten on both sides of the ball. And this is coming from a guy who preaches defense first and foremost. Yes, the defense needs to get the 49ers off of the field. But the offense also has to stay on the field.
We had five first downs per half.
given the OL they were playing if both sides were equally responsible the O overachieved and the D underachieved.
the offense was missing 4/11 week 1 starters including 3 OL and probably their 2 best offensive players.
the defense was only missing 1 starter (ojulari) and facing the 49ers only real weakness (purdy).
you can deduct from the offense that was on the field their most expensive skill player this year and the current highest paid LT in football.
so the offense was playing with almost half as much active cap as the defense.
it's almost like they had 3 young OL playing in their 2nd NFL games in the last 2 years at their respective positions and going all pros nick bosa and javon hargrave.
The defense sucked big time.
Honestly, we should have intercepted Purdy several times but we suck at turnovers
His WRs and TEs were to make YAC. They haven't been.
But I forgot that’s it’s ok since they’re really good teams 🤦♂️
Third down defense was awful
Yup. And those two 3-13 and 3-15 were beyond embarrassing. They let the Cards drop 28. The offense was without Barkley and Thomas. Two of the best at their position in the NFL and the offense still played better Than the defense.