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Costy16 : 9/22/2023 12:48 pm
The weekend slate we have been waiting for. Great matchups all day and night

12:00 PM
FSU at Clemson
Oklahoma at Cincinnati
Rutgers at Michigan

3:30
Colorado at Oregon
UCLA at Utah
Ole Miss at Alabama

7:00/7:30
Arkansas at LSU
Oregon State at Washington State
Ohio State at Notre Dame
Iowa at Penn State


GO IRISH!!
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ND had ten players on the field for last play  
KevinBBWC : 9/23/2023 11:03 pm : link
SMH.
Apparently it was the last two plays  
KevinBBWC : 9/23/2023 11:04 pm : link
they had ten.
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Banks : 9/23/2023 11:04 pm : link
i have minny in a parlay. They just let northwestern of all teams march down the field for a chance tie or win. All cause a dummy on special teams sat in the end zone and let the ball bounce to him. He could have downed it on the 5yd to the 1 without effort
Ohio St had a 4th and goal from the 1 earlier in the game  
dpinzow : 9/23/2023 11:07 pm : link
where McCord panicked and failed to make the play

They tried the pass with 7 seconds left because they knew they had the run in their back pocket if the pass was incomplete, which it was.

So McCord failed twice to pass it in from the 1. The only logical play with 3 seconds left was a run
NOTRE DAME ONLY HAD TEN MEN ON THE FIELD  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/23/2023 11:07 pm : link
ON THE FINAL TWO PLAYS OF THE GAME!!!!!!!!!!


Inexcusable
RE: ND had ten players on the field for last play  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/23/2023 11:08 pm : link
In comment 16219172 KevinBBWC said:
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SMH.


I just went back and looked at it. Its true.

Simply inexcusable. Thats why there was no one on the left side of the alignment and the run was easy.
At the start of the final drive  
emcca005 : 9/23/2023 11:10 pm : link
I text my brother and said this is USC 2005.

Green uniforms
4th down conversion
Rushing TD from the 1 on the final play
RE: Still scratching my head  
dpinzow : 9/23/2023 11:13 pm : link
In comment 16219166 jestersdead said:
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As to why ND threw the ball on their last drive. You run the ball 3 times, burn some clock and force OSU to use their timeouts.

Dropped INT and an OSU false start, that would have been a 10 second run off but wasn’t b/c OSU has a timeout left.

Unreal


Definitely agree on that. Someone on ND's coaching staff panicked when it was 2nd and 15. Make sure Ohio St has no timeouts and force McCord to win the game without stopping the clock
RE: Apparently it was the last two plays  
bw in dc : 9/23/2023 11:13 pm : link
In comment 16219173 KevinBBWC said:
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they had ten.


Is that confirmed?
RE: NOTRE DAME ONLY HAD TEN MEN ON THE FIELD  
bw in dc : 9/23/2023 11:14 pm : link
In comment 16219176 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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ON THE FINAL TWO PLAYS OF THE GAME!!!!!!!!!!


Inexcusable


Insane.
RE: RE: Apparently it was the last two plays  
You'reMyBoyBlue!! : 9/23/2023 11:25 pm : link
In comment 16219180 bw in dc said:
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they had ten.



Is that confirmed?


Yes. Unbelievable
RE: RE: Apparently it was the last two plays  
KevinBBWC : 9/23/2023 11:27 pm : link
In comment 16219180 bw in dc said:
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they had ten.



Is that confirmed?

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Banks : 9/23/2023 11:27 pm : link
f you minny. I had one leg left for $900. frickin DK never seems to let me cash out this year
RE: RE: RE: Apparently it was the last two plays  
bw in dc : 9/23/2023 11:28 pm : link
In comment 16219184 KevinBBWC said:
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Is that confirmed?

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That's a fire-able offense.
Only positives.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/23/2023 11:35 pm : link
Benji Morrison is the fucking man.

A LOT of freshmen on offense looked like players.

I truly hope the Irish win next week because this ten men on the field shit is gonna be a difficult stink to wash off.
RE: .  
NorcalNYG : 9/24/2023 12:30 am : link
In comment 16219185 Banks said:
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f you minny. I had one leg left for $900. frickin DK never seems to let me cash out this year


Rough how much did u lose and how many legs did u have?
RE: Apparently it was the last two plays  
bw in dc : 9/24/2023 12:35 am : link
In comment 16219173 KevinBBWC said:
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they had ten.


In his press conference, Williams said he noticed the missing defender on the last play but didn't want to take a penalty with no timeouts left.

But why not take a penalty? The ball is at the one. Run two players out there for illegal substitution or have a player jump offsides. The penalty is half the distance to the goal line, which is a half yard. BFD.

I have a feeling this is just smoke to cover for his staff...

RE: RE: Apparently it was the last two plays  
NorcalNYG : 9/24/2023 12:36 am : link
In comment 16219202 bw in dc said:
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they had ten.



In his press conference, Williams said he noticed the missing defender on the last play but didn't want to take a penalty with no timeouts left.

But why not take a penalty? The ball is at the one. Run two players out there for illegal substitution or have a player jump offsides. The penalty is half the distance to the goal line, which is a half yard. BFD.

I have a feeling this is just smoke to cover for his staff...


Yeah that one is on the guys upstairs imo
I don't know if anyone is watching but the 32 year old ASU  
NorcalNYG : 9/24/2023 1:01 am : link
Coach has his team really fighting against USC and their utility running back Scadeboo is doing it all like a jack of all trades. I'm impressed with the coach and Scadeboo. Both appear to have nfl potential, a guy like that who can rally a team without appearing condescending could be good in the nfl.
24-21 Usc winning in a good game  
NorcalNYG : 9/24/2023 1:02 am : link
With 9:25 left in the 3rd. I'm sure most of yall east coasters are asleep. But I'm really impressed with Scadeboo and the asu coach.
And of course,  
NorcalNYG : 9/24/2023 1:06 am : link
Caleb Williams really is a once in a decade prospect. He makes throws I don't think any qb in the NFL besides Mahomes could make. He will undoubtedly be a top qb.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/24/2023 1:07 am : link
Still waiting for Marcus Freeman to prove he was a good hire.
RE: RE: ND had ten players on the field for last play  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/24/2023 1:24 am : link
In comment 16219177 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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SMH.



I just went back and looked at it. Its true.

Simply inexcusable. Thats why there was no one on the left side of the alignment and the run was easy.


Marcus Freeman leaves a lot to be desired.
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MookGiants : 9/24/2023 1:26 am : link
In comment 16219211 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Still waiting for Marcus Freeman to prove he was a good hire.


He's in his 2nd year as a head coach, after some early hiccups last year the team played very well with a mac level quarterback the entire season.

He's doing a good job. The 10 men on the field sucks but one situation doesn't change that he is a good hire. If anyone can make this program into a title contender its him. Kelly left him with one of the worst QB situations of any power 5 program last year. He left him with awful receivers too.

Oh  
MookGiants : 9/24/2023 1:30 am : link
and Ryan Day had quite possibly the most disgraceful postgame interview on the field I've ever seen. Ryan Day couldn't wipe Lou Holtz ass on his best day. Ryan Day has been the architect of some epic collapses in big games. He's yet to win anything noteworthy at Ohio State. They choked away games against Clemson and Georgia in the playoff recently. And he has gotten his ass kicked by Jim Harbaugh two years in a row now.

Acting like they were disrespected and basically no one believed in them. THey were 3 point favorites and ranked #6 in the country. Fucking clown.

Urban Meyer was a world class scumbag but a great coach. Day is a world class douche bag but doesn't have the resume as a coach Meyer does.

He has every built in advantage at the school he's at and he goes out and acts that way on the field after the game? It's been a long time since I've seen a winning coach act that way after a game.

He's not a pimple on Lou Holtz ass.
Scattebo! 28-35 usc  
NorcalNYG : 9/24/2023 1:48 am : link
And yeah fuck Ryan day, he's an egotistical fool. Has incredibly talented teams and never raises their level of performance, he just acts like he's so great when in reality he just has great players and is a mediocre coach.
RE: RE: Apparently it was the last two plays  
shyster : 9/24/2023 3:16 am : link
In comment 16219202 bw in dc said:
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In his press conference, Williams said he noticed the missing defender on the last play but didn't want to take a penalty with no timeouts left.

But why not take a penalty? The ball is at the one. Run two players out there for illegal substitution or have a player jump offsides. The penalty is half the distance to the goal line, which is a half yard. BFD.

I have a feeling this is just smoke to cover for his staff...


Doesn't wash. Thirty-six seconds of real time elapsed between the end of the second down play and the snap for the third down play.

The entire OSU offense was in relaxed mode turned away from the line of scrimmage looking to the sidelines for the third down play call. An ND player would have had plenty of time to sprint into position without danger of OSU snapping the ball.

And OSU's winning play call that was signaled in was clearly designed to take advantage of the absence of the RDE.

ND coaches know they're missing a guy and not only don't send a guy in, but also don't attempt to signal one of the ND players standing off the line to move up to the line to fill the hole? They stay in the exact same formation?

And of course ND had eleven players on the field until they called a timeout after the spike. Then only ten returned to the field. It should be somebody's job on the sidelines to count the players going back out. That's not on the staff upstairs.

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section125 : 9/24/2023 7:18 am : link
In comment 16219211 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Still waiting for Marcus Freeman to prove he was a good hire.


I will disagree. ND played a great game until the last 30 seconds. They are a far better team then there last year. They lost to the #6 team on the last play of a tight game. They were pushing OSU's defense backward most of the 4th quarter. I think Freeman is building a sustainable program.

Coaches effed up the last few plays on both sides of the ball, yes. Hardman missed on the screen pass. What it comes down to is ND will be able to play anyone in the NCAA straight up and not be over matched.

Tough loss for ND.  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/24/2023 7:35 am : link
Played really hard and it was great seeing that environment and all the green. They have a very nice OL and running game. Questionable calls at the end.

Agree, that was really poor of Day going after Coach Holtz. I'd like to see this game continue but not sure how long it is scheduled for.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/24/2023 7:51 am : link
Mook/section…in the morning light, you two are correct big picture wise. I was/still am super frustrated about the ending.

Onward to Durham. I might try to snag tixs to that game with a buddy.
In that ND game last night  
JT039 : 9/24/2023 9:46 am : link
Those players really have it everything all game. It was such a clean game too.

The coaching however, some of the worst I’ve ever seen. The last 4 minutes it was who could screw up more. Sorry Irish fans but those first and second down play calls and only having 10 guys on the field was just a dagger. Throw I a. Soft zone on 3rd and 19.
Oh  
JT039 : 9/24/2023 9:47 am : link
And fuck Ryan Day. Hope Penn state and Michigan (again) pushes his shit in.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/24/2023 9:59 am : link
I didn't see the Day stuff live-I just flipped off the TV & angrily stormed to bed after the final play-but caught it this morning...

My man, you were 3 point favorites. Stop acting like no one in the world gave the Buckeyes a shot to win. I hope Michigan destroys them Thanksgiving weekend.
RE: ...  
BigBlueShock : 9/24/2023 10:14 am : link
In comment 16219299 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I didn't see the Day stuff live-I just flipped off the TV & angrily stormed to bed after the final play-but caught it this morning...

My man, you were 3 point favorites. Stop acting like no one in the world gave the Buckeyes a shot to win. I hope Michigan destroys them Thanksgiving weekend.

It’s always precious when a coach from a top 5 team that gets any players he wants pulls out the ole underdog card. It’s embarrassing. At least wait until your sorry ass gets shit canned after this season and you end up at Northeastern. Or Temple. You’ll find out real quick how absurd your underdog rants actually were
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Costy16 : 9/24/2023 11:46 am : link
In comment 16219236 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Mook/section…in the morning light, you two are correct big picture wise. I was/still am super frustrated about the ending.

Onward to Durham. I might try to snag tixs to that game with a buddy.


I grabbed tix after the Clemson game. Notre Dame’s response next week will be very telling. Big game now, Gameday going to Durham for football for the first time ever. There will be a ton of ND fans there, there was in 2019.
ND I thought was the better team  
dpinzow : 9/24/2023 11:51 am : link
they pushed around Ohio St in the 2nd half. The defense on 3rd and 19 was inexplicable, and apparently only having 10 men on the field for the final play was also inexplicable. They are on the right track to be national championship contenders though, provided they find a QB next season because Hartman is only a one year solution
I also thought that Hartman underwhelmed a little bit  
dpinzow : 9/24/2023 11:53 am : link
Don't know whether it was actually Hartman or the play calling not focusing on him, but Hartman didn't play close to his best last night. That's why I think ND relied on the running game, but they were a little too conservative with Hartman, especially in the 1st half
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/24/2023 12:12 pm : link
Early line is ND -6.5.

ND is more talented, but huge variable is how ND responds off a tough loss. We will see.
dpinzow.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/24/2023 12:13 pm : link
Hartman has had better games.
RE: ...  
bw in dc : 9/24/2023 12:20 pm : link
In comment 16219299 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I didn't see the Day stuff live-I just flipped off the TV & angrily stormed to bed after the final play-but caught it this morning...

My man, you were 3 point favorites. Stop acting like no one in the world gave the Buckeyes a shot to win. I hope Michigan destroys them Thanksgiving weekend.


In Day's defense, he was breaking in a brand new QB, who hasn't been overly impressive thus far, playing his first big game ever for the Buckeyes. And on the road against a premier program.

If anything, I imagine Day was relieved that McCord stepped up and made a few huge plays with so many question marks surrounding his ability.
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NorcalNYG : 9/24/2023 12:57 pm : link
In comment 16219406 bw in dc said:
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In comment 16219299 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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I didn't see the Day stuff live-I just flipped off the TV & angrily stormed to bed after the final play-but caught it this morning...

My man, you were 3 point favorites. Stop acting like no one in the world gave the Buckeyes a shot to win. I hope Michigan destroys them Thanksgiving weekend.



In Day's defense, he was breaking in a brand new QB, who hasn't been overly impressive thus far, playing his first big game ever for the Buckeyes. And on the road against a premier program.

If anything, I imagine Day was relieved that McCord stepped up and made a few huge plays with so many question marks surrounding his ability.


That's true, McCord is super underwhelming. He won't be a good nfl qb
RE: I also thought that Hartman underwhelmed a little bit  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/24/2023 3:51 pm : link
In comment 16219385 dpinzow said:
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Don't know whether it was actually Hartman or the play calling not focusing on him, but Hartman didn't play close to his best last night. That's why I think ND relied on the running game, but they were a little too conservative with Hartman, especially in the 1st half


Both of the 4th down non conversions were his fault. He rushed a third down pass that killed another drive in Buckeyes territory. He looked like the moment was a little too big for him at times. That being said, I thought the play calling was way too conservative. There’s no point in having Sam Hartman, then calling the game like we still have Drew Pyne or Tyler Buchner.
man  
MookGiants : 9/24/2023 11:25 pm : link
I'm still fricking crushed by that loss. I've seen some absolutely horrendous losses in person by my sports teams but that one would be in the top 3. It feels worse than the bush push game and I was at that one too.
RE: RE: I also thought that Hartman underwhelmed a little bit  
bw in dc : 9/24/2023 11:39 pm : link
In comment 16219664 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Both of the 4th down non conversions were his fault. He rushed a third down pass that killed another drive in Buckeyes territory. He looked like the moment was a little too big for him at times. That being said, I thought the play calling was way too conservative. There’s no point in having Sam Hartman, then calling the game like we still have Drew Pyne or Tyler Buchner.


Based on the cadence of the game, Hartman did his job. He rallied the team from being down 10-0.

ND lost because their D couldn't execute when it mattered most. The 3rd and 19 and only having ten men on the field the last two downs will go down in ND infamy.
RE: RE: RE: I also thought that Hartman underwhelmed a little bit  
section125 : 9/25/2023 5:49 am : link
In comment 16220528 bw in dc said:
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Both of the 4th down non conversions were his fault. He rushed a third down pass that killed another drive in Buckeyes territory. He looked like the moment was a little too big for him at times. That being said, I thought the play calling was way too conservative. There’s no point in having Sam Hartman, then calling the game like we still have Drew Pyne or Tyler Buchner.



Based on the cadence of the game, Hartman did his job. He rallied the team from being down 10-0.

ND lost because their D couldn't execute when it mattered most. The 3rd and 19 and only having ten men on the field the last two downs will go down in ND infamy.


Hartman had a wide open RB on the screen with three linemen in position and no OSU defenders downfield on that side and he managed to not get the ball past the only OSU guy there. So he can not be absolved. That play was setup perfectly.

But yes Golden flat out blew that defensive sequence. Horrible execution after a near flawless game.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/25/2023 6:10 am : link
section, that's a TD if the play's executed properly.

Ugh. Gotta move get ready for Duke, which will be a tough game in its own right.
ND lost that game like 3 times  
bigbluehoya : 9/25/2023 7:54 am : link
Their offensive play-calling on their last set of downs when they were up 4 with 2:30 left was ponderous.

Pretty sure OSU had one timeout at this point.

Estime was running the ball down OSUs throats at that point.

On 1st down they lose 5 on that stupid mis-direction run 4-5 yards behind the LOS.

On 2nd down they stop the clock with an incomplete pass.


That was the first death.

The dropped INT was the second.

And then the final defensive stand, between the 10 men and the goal line alignment.

The only rooting interest I had in the game was under the total, which was well in hand, but that was tough to watch even just as someone who generally prefers ND to OSU.
RE: RE: RE: I also thought that Hartman underwhelmed a little bit  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/25/2023 11:03 am : link
In comment 16220528 bw in dc said:
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In comment 16219664 shockeyisthebest8056 said:


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Both of the 4th down non conversions were his fault. He rushed a third down pass that killed another drive in Buckeyes territory. He looked like the moment was a little too big for him at times. That being said, I thought the play calling was way too conservative. There’s no point in having Sam Hartman, then calling the game like we still have Drew Pyne or Tyler Buchner.



Based on the cadence of the game, Hartman did his job. He rallied the team from being down 10-0.

ND lost because their D couldn't execute when it mattered most. The 3rd and 19 and only having ten men on the field the last two downs will go down in ND infamy.



They were down 10-0 because Hartman failed to convert two fourth down attempts in Buckeyes territory. He also threw a pair of bad passes (although pressure was clearly an issue on one of them) that stalled another drive in Buckeyes territory which led to the missed FG.

I’m not blaming him for the loss. I’m just stating the obvious, which is that he wasn’t great, especially in some some do or die moments. The first failed fourth down attempt was entirely his fault. He sees the marker. He has to sell out, but he didn’t.

The seminal moment of the game was obviously the 3rd & 19. Al Golden rushed three like the loser he is and a guy who was struggling when pressured had all day to find an open receiver in 8 man coverage.

Anyway, I’d be genuinely shocked if they lost to Duke.
Ohio State alum coming in peace  
Kyle in NY : 9/25/2023 11:45 am : link
That was a classic game, one that I feel like the Buckeyes sort of stole. Given the talent on OSU, it still just doesn't feel like a fully functioning operation. So I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a bit concerned moving forward with some tough games coming up. But some credit is due to a greatly improved ND program. It's a legitimate top 10 win on the road. 10 players on the field is inexcusable. But big picture, Freeman is absolutely building in the right direction.

Ryan Day vs Lou Holtz is very silly. But I think it was just an accumulation of a lot of outside chatter that continues to take shots at this team that is 49-6 under Day and in the playoffs 3 times with a national title appearance. Some people (including some Buckeyes fans) act like this team isa 7 or 8 win team every year. So I can understand some pent up frustration coming out. Buckeye fans loved it. Opposing fans thought it's obnoxious. I get it. That said, he needs to fix up his decision making really quickly. Completely botched the clock management on the last ND drive, the short yardage playcalling is a nightmare, and the fixation with proving how physical we are instead of just letting it fly to the best receiving group in the country will cost us if it doesn't get fixed.

Go Bucks
RE: RE: RE: RE: I also thought that Hartman underwhelmed a little bit  
bw in dc : 9/25/2023 12:53 pm : link
In comment 16220571 section125 said:
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Hartman had a wide open RB on the screen with three linemen in position and no OSU defenders downfield on that side and he managed to not get the ball past the only OSU guy there. So he can not be absolved. That play was setup perfectly.

But yes Golden flat out blew that defensive sequence. Horrible execution after a near flawless game.


I said this the other day, but I gave Tuimoloau a lot of credit for breaking up that screen. I thought that was a helluva a play by that kid. He was a five-star recruit who was considered one of the top 5-10 players in the country coming out of high school. Sometimes you have to tip your hat to the other side just making the better play...

On that last drive, OSU also executed a 4th and 7 before the 3rd and 19.

I understand criticizing specific plays by Hartman, btw. But considering how well ND ran the ball, I was perplexed why Parker didn't dial up more play-action. I think that would have created a few more needed splash plays...
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