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Costy16 : 9/22/2023 12:48 pm
The weekend slate we have been waiting for. Great matchups all day and night

12:00 PM
FSU at Clemson
Oklahoma at Cincinnati
Rutgers at Michigan

3:30
Colorado at Oregon
UCLA at Utah
Ole Miss at Alabama

7:00/7:30
Arkansas at LSU
Oregon State at Washington State
Ohio State at Notre Dame
Iowa at Penn State


GO IRISH!!
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ND I thought was the better team  
dpinzow : 9/24/2023 11:51 am : link
they pushed around Ohio St in the 2nd half. The defense on 3rd and 19 was inexplicable, and apparently only having 10 men on the field for the final play was also inexplicable. They are on the right track to be national championship contenders though, provided they find a QB next season because Hartman is only a one year solution
I also thought that Hartman underwhelmed a little bit  
dpinzow : 9/24/2023 11:53 am : link
Don't know whether it was actually Hartman or the play calling not focusing on him, but Hartman didn't play close to his best last night. That's why I think ND relied on the running game, but they were a little too conservative with Hartman, especially in the 1st half
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/24/2023 12:12 pm : link
Early line is ND -6.5.

ND is more talented, but huge variable is how ND responds off a tough loss. We will see.
dpinzow.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/24/2023 12:13 pm : link
Hartman has had better games.
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bw in dc : 9/24/2023 12:20 pm : link
In comment 16219299 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I didn't see the Day stuff live-I just flipped off the TV & angrily stormed to bed after the final play-but caught it this morning...

My man, you were 3 point favorites. Stop acting like no one in the world gave the Buckeyes a shot to win. I hope Michigan destroys them Thanksgiving weekend.


In Day's defense, he was breaking in a brand new QB, who hasn't been overly impressive thus far, playing his first big game ever for the Buckeyes. And on the road against a premier program.

If anything, I imagine Day was relieved that McCord stepped up and made a few huge plays with so many question marks surrounding his ability.
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NorcalNYG : 9/24/2023 12:57 pm : link
In comment 16219406 bw in dc said:
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I didn't see the Day stuff live-I just flipped off the TV & angrily stormed to bed after the final play-but caught it this morning...

My man, you were 3 point favorites. Stop acting like no one in the world gave the Buckeyes a shot to win. I hope Michigan destroys them Thanksgiving weekend.



In Day's defense, he was breaking in a brand new QB, who hasn't been overly impressive thus far, playing his first big game ever for the Buckeyes. And on the road against a premier program.

If anything, I imagine Day was relieved that McCord stepped up and made a few huge plays with so many question marks surrounding his ability.


That's true, McCord is super underwhelming. He won't be a good nfl qb
RE: I also thought that Hartman underwhelmed a little bit  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/24/2023 3:51 pm : link
In comment 16219385 dpinzow said:
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Don't know whether it was actually Hartman or the play calling not focusing on him, but Hartman didn't play close to his best last night. That's why I think ND relied on the running game, but they were a little too conservative with Hartman, especially in the 1st half


Both of the 4th down non conversions were his fault. He rushed a third down pass that killed another drive in Buckeyes territory. He looked like the moment was a little too big for him at times. That being said, I thought the play calling was way too conservative. There’s no point in having Sam Hartman, then calling the game like we still have Drew Pyne or Tyler Buchner.
man  
MookGiants : 9/24/2023 11:25 pm : link
I'm still fricking crushed by that loss. I've seen some absolutely horrendous losses in person by my sports teams but that one would be in the top 3. It feels worse than the bush push game and I was at that one too.
RE: RE: I also thought that Hartman underwhelmed a little bit  
bw in dc : 9/24/2023 11:39 pm : link
In comment 16219664 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Both of the 4th down non conversions were his fault. He rushed a third down pass that killed another drive in Buckeyes territory. He looked like the moment was a little too big for him at times. That being said, I thought the play calling was way too conservative. There’s no point in having Sam Hartman, then calling the game like we still have Drew Pyne or Tyler Buchner.


Based on the cadence of the game, Hartman did his job. He rallied the team from being down 10-0.

ND lost because their D couldn't execute when it mattered most. The 3rd and 19 and only having ten men on the field the last two downs will go down in ND infamy.
RE: RE: RE: I also thought that Hartman underwhelmed a little bit  
section125 : 9/25/2023 5:49 am : link
In comment 16220528 bw in dc said:
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Both of the 4th down non conversions were his fault. He rushed a third down pass that killed another drive in Buckeyes territory. He looked like the moment was a little too big for him at times. That being said, I thought the play calling was way too conservative. There’s no point in having Sam Hartman, then calling the game like we still have Drew Pyne or Tyler Buchner.



Based on the cadence of the game, Hartman did his job. He rallied the team from being down 10-0.

ND lost because their D couldn't execute when it mattered most. The 3rd and 19 and only having ten men on the field the last two downs will go down in ND infamy.


Hartman had a wide open RB on the screen with three linemen in position and no OSU defenders downfield on that side and he managed to not get the ball past the only OSU guy there. So he can not be absolved. That play was setup perfectly.

But yes Golden flat out blew that defensive sequence. Horrible execution after a near flawless game.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/25/2023 6:10 am : link
section, that's a TD if the play's executed properly.

Ugh. Gotta move get ready for Duke, which will be a tough game in its own right.
ND lost that game like 3 times  
bigbluehoya : 9/25/2023 7:54 am : link
Their offensive play-calling on their last set of downs when they were up 4 with 2:30 left was ponderous.

Pretty sure OSU had one timeout at this point.

Estime was running the ball down OSUs throats at that point.

On 1st down they lose 5 on that stupid mis-direction run 4-5 yards behind the LOS.

On 2nd down they stop the clock with an incomplete pass.


That was the first death.

The dropped INT was the second.

And then the final defensive stand, between the 10 men and the goal line alignment.

The only rooting interest I had in the game was under the total, which was well in hand, but that was tough to watch even just as someone who generally prefers ND to OSU.
RE: RE: RE: I also thought that Hartman underwhelmed a little bit  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/25/2023 11:03 am : link
In comment 16220528 bw in dc said:
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Both of the 4th down non conversions were his fault. He rushed a third down pass that killed another drive in Buckeyes territory. He looked like the moment was a little too big for him at times. That being said, I thought the play calling was way too conservative. There’s no point in having Sam Hartman, then calling the game like we still have Drew Pyne or Tyler Buchner.



Based on the cadence of the game, Hartman did his job. He rallied the team from being down 10-0.

ND lost because their D couldn't execute when it mattered most. The 3rd and 19 and only having ten men on the field the last two downs will go down in ND infamy.



They were down 10-0 because Hartman failed to convert two fourth down attempts in Buckeyes territory. He also threw a pair of bad passes (although pressure was clearly an issue on one of them) that stalled another drive in Buckeyes territory which led to the missed FG.

I’m not blaming him for the loss. I’m just stating the obvious, which is that he wasn’t great, especially in some some do or die moments. The first failed fourth down attempt was entirely his fault. He sees the marker. He has to sell out, but he didn’t.

The seminal moment of the game was obviously the 3rd & 19. Al Golden rushed three like the loser he is and a guy who was struggling when pressured had all day to find an open receiver in 8 man coverage.

Anyway, I’d be genuinely shocked if they lost to Duke.
Ohio State alum coming in peace  
Kyle in NY : 9/25/2023 11:45 am : link
That was a classic game, one that I feel like the Buckeyes sort of stole. Given the talent on OSU, it still just doesn't feel like a fully functioning operation. So I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a bit concerned moving forward with some tough games coming up. But some credit is due to a greatly improved ND program. It's a legitimate top 10 win on the road. 10 players on the field is inexcusable. But big picture, Freeman is absolutely building in the right direction.

Ryan Day vs Lou Holtz is very silly. But I think it was just an accumulation of a lot of outside chatter that continues to take shots at this team that is 49-6 under Day and in the playoffs 3 times with a national title appearance. Some people (including some Buckeyes fans) act like this team isa 7 or 8 win team every year. So I can understand some pent up frustration coming out. Buckeye fans loved it. Opposing fans thought it's obnoxious. I get it. That said, he needs to fix up his decision making really quickly. Completely botched the clock management on the last ND drive, the short yardage playcalling is a nightmare, and the fixation with proving how physical we are instead of just letting it fly to the best receiving group in the country will cost us if it doesn't get fixed.

Go Bucks
RE: RE: RE: RE: I also thought that Hartman underwhelmed a little bit  
bw in dc : 9/25/2023 12:53 pm : link
In comment 16220571 section125 said:
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Hartman had a wide open RB on the screen with three linemen in position and no OSU defenders downfield on that side and he managed to not get the ball past the only OSU guy there. So he can not be absolved. That play was setup perfectly.

But yes Golden flat out blew that defensive sequence. Horrible execution after a near flawless game.


I said this the other day, but I gave Tuimoloau a lot of credit for breaking up that screen. I thought that was a helluva a play by that kid. He was a five-star recruit who was considered one of the top 5-10 players in the country coming out of high school. Sometimes you have to tip your hat to the other side just making the better play...

On that last drive, OSU also executed a 4th and 7 before the 3rd and 19.

I understand criticizing specific plays by Hartman, btw. But considering how well ND ran the ball, I was perplexed why Parker didn't dial up more play-action. I think that would have created a few more needed splash plays...
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