If you asked scouts in the draft year who would be better...

Many gms would have probably taken Parsons as Gettleman wanted to do. And many gms would have probably seen that Garrett Wilson and Iki Ekwonu may have been better, there were many better alternatives. Thibs had more warning signs than Neal.

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Many gms would have probably taken Parsons as Gettleman wanted to do. And many gms would have probably seen that Garrett Wilson and Iki Ekwonu may have been better, there were many better alternatives. Thibs had more warning signs than Neal.

I don't remember the questions surrounding them anymore but I do remember a lot of questions surrounding Parsons who slipped presumably in part because of that. And hasn't Ekwonu been nothing special? And finally, even if both Neal and Thibs slipped to the teens they'd be disappointments so far.

Literally 1 and 2 on the Cowboys draft board?

Neal in particular is deeply puzzling why he is struggling. I remember reading a whole bunch of different people's opinions on him and he was described as a top tier prospect that was almost near miss.

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Literally 1 and 2 on the Cowboys draft board? Neal in particular is deeply puzzling why he is struggling. I remember reading a whole bunch of different people's opinions on him and he was described as a top tier prospect that was almost near miss.

That's what I read here. Neal is shocking to me, Thibs had some questions and pass rushers I feel like are more boom or bust.

he could be a bad night out on the town away from an arrest / suspension.

So far, I've read / heard nothing bad about his off the field behavior, so the Penn State incident could just be an immaturity thing.

Obviously players with non-football concerns have dropped in the draft and they worked out well (Randy Moss, Warren Sapp), and others have had the concerns validated.

Right now passing on Parsons seems like a huge mistake; time will tell.

are probably the same people who would have had a coniption during the draft if the Giants would have passed on them, as they had gone in the top ten in their mock drafts!!!

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he could be a bad night out on the town away from an arrest / suspension. So far, I've read / heard nothing bad about his off the field behavior, so the Penn State incident could just be an immaturity thing. Obviously players with non-football concerns have dropped in the draft and they worked out well (Randy Moss, Warren Sapp), and others have had the concerns validated. Right now passing on Parsons seems like a huge mistake; time will tell.

I wanted devonta Smith and I admit I was surprised at Parson's immediate success as a pass rusher after playing MLB at Penn st. I think the questions surrounding him were due to the hazing incident and his transition to being a pass rusher. Gentleman got that one right, F judge even more than Gettleman

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In comment 16218112 NorcalNYG said: Quote: Many gms would have probably taken Parsons as Gettleman wanted to do. And many gms would have probably seen that Garrett Wilson and Iki Ekwonu may have been better, there were many better alternatives. Thibs had more warning signs than Neal. I don't remember the questions surrounding them anymore but I do remember a lot of questions surrounding Parsons who slipped presumably in part because of that. And hasn't Ekwonu been nothing special? And finally, even if both Neal and Thibs slipped to the teens they'd be disappointments so far.

Ekwonu has been a lot better than Neal I think. I'm still hoping Neal turns it around. And I hope he isn't too hurt

Ekwonu has a pff grade of 69.8 this year which is world's better than Neal. Last year as a rookie he wasn't bad either with a grade of 65.3. I don't like pff for many positions but it's good for o line. Evan Neal has a 40.9 this year and 44.1 last year FYI.

But also massively better than Neal. I think Neal never had top 5 offensive tackle feet. Top 5 pick tackles need to look like elite dancers out there on the tape. We will give him the rest of the year, but he could end up being an elite guard. He seems much more suited to guard at this point. He has a lot of great traits, he's a good dude and very likeable but he just might not have those elite feet needed to be a stud tackle in the NFL.

For Daniel Jones and the NYG offense. It is a passing league now, it starts up front with solid offensive line and then a solid qb and solid weapons. Daniel Jones deserved this and I think going for a boom or bust end was a really poor decision, Neal also had a perceived much higher ceiling but lower floor. I think Schoen was dreaming a bit thinking he could hit on two guys with seemingly high ceilings but low floors. Ekwonu and Wilson or even Olave would have been much smarter and less risky picks.

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he could be a bad night out on the town away from an arrest / suspension. So far, I've read / heard nothing bad about his off the field behavior, so the Penn State incident could just be an immaturity thing. Obviously players with non-football concerns have dropped in the draft and they worked out well (Randy Moss, Warren Sapp), and others have had the concerns validated. Right now passing on Parsons seems like a huge mistake; time will tell.

My memory sucks for this stuff but I feel like there were football concerns about Parsons as well and you had some people on BBI not wanting to take him as a result. I know people on BBI aren't scouts but the football concerns were probably coming from professional scouts.

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For Daniel Jones and the NYG offense. It is a passing league now, it starts up front with solid offensive line and then a solid qb and solid weapons. Daniel Jones deserved this and I think going for a boom or bust end was a really poor decision, Neal also had a perceived much higher ceiling but lower floor. I think Schoen was dreaming a bit thinking he could hit on two guys with seemingly high ceilings but low floors. Ekwonu and Wilson or even Olave would have been much smarter and less risky picks.

I'm a little annoyed at how many people are coming out saying they would have preferred Wilson. Most likely there's significant overlap with people saying that Reese wanted to play basketball on grass. They took two trench guys that were rated high. It's really hard for me to complain. I think it was just either really bad luck or really bad coaches.

I also don't see Akwonu as a higher floor guy, if I remember he was more raw than Neal.

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In comment 16218204 NorcalNYG said: Quote: For Daniel Jones and the NYG offense. It is a passing league now, it starts up front with solid offensive line and then a solid qb and solid weapons. Daniel Jones deserved this and I think going for a boom or bust end was a really poor decision, Neal also had a perceived much higher ceiling but lower floor. I think Schoen was dreaming a bit thinking he could hit on two guys with seemingly high ceilings but low floors. Ekwonu and Wilson or even Olave would have been much smarter and less risky picks. I'm a little annoyed at how many people are coming out saying they would have preferred Wilson. Most likely there's significant overlap with people saying that Reese wanted to play basketball on grass. They took two trench guys that were rated high. It's really hard for me to complain. I think it was just either really bad luck or really bad coaches. I also don't see Akwonu as a higher floor guy, if I remember he was more raw than Neal.

I wouldn't call Thibs a trench guy as he is a speed passrush specialist, never had any power moves or any moves outside of speed moves which aren't working in the NFL very well. I get what you're saying, but I don't consider that a trench guy. Wilson was a surefire wr prospect, many on bbi wanted him. And Ekwonu had a higher floor in my mind because he had good feet quickness, Neal had amazing size and a higher ceiling lower floor because he never showed the elite feet while many thought it could be coached into him so far no luck. Ekwonu is turning into a very solid tackle and he only seems to be getting better at LT for Carolina. It sucks to imagine how much better we could be with those two guys instead of Neal and Thibs, that's the annoying part no?

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For Daniel Jones and the NYG offense. It is a passing league now, it starts up front with solid offensive line and then a solid qb and solid weapons. Daniel Jones deserved this and I think going for a boom or bust end was a really poor decision, Neal also had a perceived much higher ceiling but lower floor. I think Schoen was dreaming a bit thinking he could hit on two guys with seemingly high ceilings but low floors. Ekwonu and Wilson or even Olave would have been much smarter and less risky picks.



I'm a little annoyed at how many people are coming out saying they would have preferred Wilson. Most likely there's significant overlap with people saying that Reese wanted to play basketball on grass. They took two trench guys that were rated high. It's really hard for me to complain. I think it was just either really bad luck or really bad coaches.

I also don't see Akwonu as a higher floor guy, if I remember he was more raw than Neal.



I wouldn't call Thibs a trench guy as he is a speed passrush specialist, never had any power moves or any moves outside of speed moves which aren't working in the NFL very well. I get what you're saying, but I don't consider that a trench guy. Wilson was a surefire wr prospect, many on bbi wanted him. And Ekwonu had a higher floor in my mind because he had good feet quickness, Neal had amazing size and a higher ceiling lower floor because he never showed the elite feet while many thought it could be coached into him so far no luck. Ekwonu is turning into a very solid tackle and he only seems to be getting better at LT for Carolina. It sucks to imagine how much better we could be with those two guys instead of Neal


In the trenches you need more time to develop. Consoder how long it took guys like Qiinnen Williams and Dexter lawrence to develop. Some clowns on this board if you remember were saying that the giants fell asleep at the wheel by picking Andrew Thomas over Becton

What I didn't know was where his head was at......a ton of rumbling from the locker room wasn't great.

I have no idea what makes a good college OLmen into a decent NFL OLmen....the talk was that there were "4" studs in Thomas draft and "3" studs in Neal....supposedly.

I never watch Oregon...but Thibs has tools....more development is needed......but not sure temperament is fear provoking.

Parsons temperament IS fear provoking.

what they wanted to do with Parsons. This team seems clueless on how to use Neal, in fact a move TE Waller does not belong on a the same team with Neal. It's Engram all over again - with a bit surer hands.

Enough said? Oh yeah there's also KT.