Better player long term Kayvon or Evan?

I also think that both need to be out on the field all season long in terms of their development and for the Giants to get the best possible assessment of the direction these two players are headed in. (The Giants roster is still under serious re-development after the wasteland years of 2012 - 2021.)

I expect Neal will be a good RT for a long time. Won't call his name much by the second half of the season, which means he'll be doing his job.

KT, I just don't know. He's a puzzlement. If we're not calling his name much by the second half of the season I'd say Neal will end up the more productive pick.

just because he has the fallback option of playing guard and still being part of the solution up front.

Kayvon to me needs more power below his waist and a better pass rush repertoire. Neal has technique issues but the size/power is there and he seems like he wants to get better, which wasn’t the case with Ereck Flowers while he was here.

IDK, but both need to up their games big time.

Put a quality guard next to him and just let him play and grow. Neal is a hard worker in addition to his physical abilities. I believe he will figure it out as long as he has a reliable partner playing guard.

With more time I think he can correct his issues or maybe try another position on the line. Thibs problem, to me, is a lack of physicality, and I don’t think that is something you can fix.

I worry about Kayvon dealing with adversity and the NY media.

Why does it have to be either or?

I will concur with the majority and say Neal. I’m definitely super annoyed with kt so it could be clouding my judgement.

I think Neal has the physical tools to be good, maybe it clicks one day. If not he can possibly be a serviceable guard. I just don’t know what KT does well right now.

The worst part about Neal/kt to me is we could have Micah parsons instead.

Non smokers tend to have more stamina and longevity.

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who's the tallest litle person, to be pc

Evan, I'm thinking KT is on the train to bustville, he's a non-factor. Very disappointing.

but both don't fit the coaching staff and their plans, Neal would have been much better off in a team like SF instead of Kafka's wizz bang passing offense and KT was a luxury pick for Wink's D.

Is 2 years after spending a #5 and #7 on edge and RT, we may not have filled either position. And if that isn't a damning indictment of Joe Schoen, I don't know what it is.

Evan may be playing out of position. With no upgrades available, he will continue to struggle at OT. Move him inside, he may well prove, early on, that his draft status was justified.

He's playing position football and still growing.

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Expectation coefficients, given their highly drafted positions capable of being improved via better/different guru coaching? Thibs seems to have a layer of dysfunctional head case associated with his lack of effort. They both came in with over promise and have both under delivered.

He just doesn’t look like a difference maker to me. Neal hasn’t been great, but he’s at least showing some improvement.

Has a better head on his shoulders, thus I think Neal will end up better whether at guard at tackle. I take solace in believing he could be a really outstanding guard if he can't make it at tackle.

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Lol that was a huge mistake taking Thibs over Iki...imagine Ekwonu and Garret Wilson...Daniel Jones might be a bit better off, just a bit. Maybe if they knew Jones was a gamer then, it could have gone differently?

In comment 16218438 Joey from GlenCove said:

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I will concur with the majority and say Neal. I’m definitely super annoyed with kt so it could be clouding my judgement. I think Neal has the physical tools to be good, maybe it clicks one day. If not he can possibly be a serviceable guard. I just don’t know what KT does well right now. The worst part about Neal/kt to me is we could have Micah parsons instead.

We could have had Micah Parsons and Ekwonu technically but we can't think like that, Judge was an idiot. More realistically tho we could have had Ekwonu and Garret Wilson

at their respective positions to move forward as a strong team. If both are "average" by NFL standards we are stuck in the middle with two early picks who didn't reach their projected potential. Happens every year and even good teams pick guys who never truly make it.

However, I think both will in fact develop and will in fact be difference-makers. But neither may end up being probowlers.

I look at Dex. He was ok his first two years but jumped up last year, his 3rd, to elite status. It takes time and it takes figuring out their skills and using them properly.

If Neal is a probowl guard next year and Ezedeu is a solid RT, better than average, it will be ok. Etc.

So I still have hope.

I have serious doubts about Bobby Johnson though. Why did Thomas seek so much outside help in his offseasons? It worked and his technique now is not what Johnson preaches. Neal did the same thing but it hasn't paid off.

Johnson also can't seem to evaluate or settle on who his best lineup is. That's troubling at any position but doubly so at a group that need cohesion to patch up individual shortcomings.

dominating LT on a passing offense.

I believe he can be a upper echelon RT in any offense or an upper echelon LT in a must establish the run offense.

I am concerned that KT does not really fit Wink's defense, at least not as a traditional RDE who plays run downs.

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So I still have hope. I have serious doubts about Bobby Johnson though. Why did Thomas seek so much outside help in his offseasons? It worked and his technique now is not what Johnson preaches. Neal did the same thing but it hasn't paid off. Johnson also can't seem to evaluate or settle on who his best lineup is. That's troubling at any position but doubly so at a group that need cohesion to patch up individual shortcomings.

I agree Bobby J is on extremely thin ice.

And it's not close I hated the KT pick from the start the guy has zero work ethic does nothing very well and will not survive the NY media. Neal on the other hand will work and if not at RT then at guard he is a great run blocker it's just his pass protection that he needs to figure out.

In comment 16218716 widmerseyebrow said:

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So I still have hope. I have serious doubts about Bobby Johnson though. Why did Thomas seek so much outside help in his offseasons? It worked and his technique now is not what Johnson preaches. Neal did the same thing but it hasn't paid off. Johnson also can't seem to evaluate or settle on who his best lineup is. That's troubling at any position but doubly so at a group that need cohesion to patch up individual shortcomings.

That's not a fair statement. Thomas was hurt almost immediately. Glowinski was always supposed to insurance/vet presence and Hassnauer might have replaced him. With JMS nailing a starting spot early, rotating the other guys knowing worst-case Game 1-x is the carryover vet. Ideally by week X Glowinski is out cause he's surpassed.

Glowinski's implosion, injuries and the schedule wiped out the plan. Having your OLT out is always damaging -- just not always crippling.

It's a long season. The ability for guys to step in across positions in a pinch will win games.

KT seams ok with where he is at

Attitude is important

Neal can just be switched to Guard hasn't been paying attention to the interior pass rush in the division lately.

it's Neal. The OL is too vital to miss on this type of investment.

I never wanted KT and think he's just a low ceiling/high floor type player who will flash, but typically be an average player.