You articulate very well what I think about Jones. At some point he needs to make some plays when things are not working around him. It seems like he never does against good competition. Yes, he stands tall in the pocket and deals with way less than ideal situations, but I'd still like him to make a big play against a superior opponent. He just doesn't. 1-11 in prime time and he hasn't beaten Dallas or Philly since the 2020 season where both teams weren't near the level they are now.
Are his conditions around him perfect? Nowhere near that. BUT, when NYG committed to Jones financially I expected him to still make some plays when things aren't perfect around him.
He gets confident and turns it on against inferior defenses. In recent memory, his best games were against the Vikings 2x, Colts and Cardinals. The offense was non existent against Philly, Dallas and SF.
It just feels like Jones is really good against bad defenses. Things will never be perfect around him , especially against the top tier teams.
Unfortunately, I think Sy said it best. "Daniel Jones just......is."
You articulate very well what I think about Jones. At some point he needs to make some plays when things are not working around him. It seems like he never does against good competition. Yes, he stands tall in the pocket and deals with way less than ideal situations, but I'd still like him to make a big play against a superior opponent. He just doesn't. 1-11 in prime time and he hasn't beaten Dallas or Philly since the 2020 season where both teams weren't near the level they are now.
Are his conditions around him perfect? Nowhere near that. BUT, when NYG committed to Jones financially I expected him to still make some plays when things aren't perfect around him.
He gets confident and turns it on against inferior defenses. In recent memory, his best games were against the Vikings 2x, Colts and Cardinals. The offense was non existent against Philly, Dallas and SF.
It just feels like Jones is really good against bad defenses. Things will never be perfect around him , especially against the top tier teams.
Unfortunately, I think Sy said it best. "Daniel Jones just......is."
What happens if this thing goes off the rails and thru win 5 or less games? Schoen is picking somewhere between 5 and 7 and a potential QB who may be better than Jones is there staring him in the face. Do you take him and instantly create controversy for 2024? For Jones, the writing would be on the wall. If he demands a trade, would there be a team willing to take his contract?
You articulate very well what I think about Jones. At some point he needs to make some plays when things are not working around him. It seems like he never does against good competition. Yes, he stands tall in the pocket and deals with way less than ideal situations, but I'd still like him to make a big play against a superior opponent. He just doesn't. 1-11 in prime time and he hasn't beaten Dallas or Philly since the 2020 season where both teams weren't near the level they are now.
Are his conditions around him perfect? Nowhere near that. BUT, when NYG committed to Jones financially I expected him to still make some plays when things aren't perfect around him.
He gets confident and turns it on against inferior defenses. In recent memory, his best games were against the Vikings 2x, Colts and Cardinals. The offense was non existent against Philly, Dallas and SF.
It just feels like Jones is really good against bad defenses. Things will never be perfect around him , especially against the top tier teams.
Unfortunately, I think Sy said it best. "Daniel Jones just......is."
What happens if this thing goes off the rails and thru win 5 or less games? Schoen is picking somewhere between 5 and 7 and a potential QB who may be better than Jones is there staring him in the face. Do you take him and instantly create controversy for 2024? For Jones, the writing would be on the wall. If he demands a trade, would there be a team willing to take his contract?
The Tao of DJ,part time QB,part time Buddhist monk.
Thanks SY,a few points and observations...
What the hell was Bellinger doing on our own goal line in his blocking technique???Thats JOEY BOSA lined up across from you.....
I beg to disagree on Waller,I have seen that dude absolutley take over games as a Raider.....he did it to an extent last week when we had deep threats downfield,which open up the middle of the field for him.Not so in Games 1 and 3....be patient,and hope he stays healthy.
JMS played better than his PFF grade said he did IMHO
Thibs....oy!
He just seems small and lacks the explosiveness necessary to elude the NFL level Off Linemen.
Clearly the DT/DL interior line is the strength of our team right now.
One more suggestion for stud-Jamie Gillan
His punting improved alot this offseason,he always had the leg,just lacked the abilty to angle and place the ball in spots making a return easier for the opponent.
He placed it very well...which is why his Net return #s were great!!
Thanks again Sy
Yes, you would have to take the QB. This is supposed to be a strong QB class too. It's on Jones to not allow this to go off the rails. Given his salary, he should be able to navigate this team to at least 7-10. If he can't, Schoen would be negligent to not explore going QB.
That is getting way ahead of things, but if they bottom out it should absolutely be on the table.
Re: McKethan, looks like his lateral movement and possibly poor hand placement are what cost him in this game. I agree his shear size and arm length are weapons though. Better use of the hands will lead to more wins but can he improve on his agility as he continues to recover from the knee? How was he getting reps on the outside last year?
I can’t be drawing many conclusions about this team
We’re fielding the youngest starting roster in the league and I think by a pretty wide margin. We began the year playing two of the league’s powerhouse franchises. We’re already seen five different OL combinations on the field and only two spots where the same player has played every snap. Overall we have something like ten new starters. It says something when you’re looking forward to playing teams only as good as the Seahawks, Dolphins and Bills. I’m no more patient than most but this is not the time for proclamations about the future.
RE: I can’t be drawing many conclusions about this team
We’re fielding the youngest starting roster in the league and I think by a pretty wide margin. We began the year playing two of the league’s powerhouse franchises. We’re already seen five different OL combinations on the field and only two spots where the same player has played every snap. Overall we have something like ten new starters. It says something when you’re looking forward to playing teams only as good as the Seahawks, Dolphins and Bills. I’m no more patient than most but this is not the time for proclamations about the future.
As to the different OL combinations, I think it's irrelevant. We have 2 good players, AT and JMS. All of the other guys are mediocre at best, doesn't matter where you put them. It's like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
The best thing I heard during the game, and more than once, was how high he was kicking the ball. Iirc, his big problem last year was kicking to long and low, outkicking his coverage. If he's solved that, it's a big step forward.
He just looks too hesitant and his routes to the QB often times look like he’s stuck between doing what he’s told to do and his instincts. I’m leaning more towards that the scheme is asking Thibs to do things that aren’t in his skillset too often
The OL is a much bigger problem than Jones IMO. Yes, Jones missed some throws, but every QB does. Jones is frequently running for his life as soon as he handles the snap from center. When he has a reasonable amount of time, he's effective, something I think would also be true against the better teams if he had better pass protection.
The common problem with our OL is that they have slow feet, and therefore poor lateral agility and mobility. That includes McKethan, Neal, Glowinski, Peart, and Lemieux. The result is that McKethan and Neal are effective run blockers but poor in pass protection. Jones will continue to be limited until we find better pass protecting OL.
I'd like to see more from KT, but it's too early to give up on him or Neal IMO. Ward, Basham, and Ximines also aren't generating any edge pressure. I agree they should consider elevating and playing Fox, but I doubt that he will provide a large amount of pressure.
The missed tackles were obviously very damaging.
Most rookies struggle in the NFL, so it is not surprising that Hawkins and Banks are as well.
I agree it looks like McKinney won't get a second contract, but let's see how the rest of the year finishes before making that final conclusion.
I suspect they were still recovering from the ass-whooping in the first game.
The 49er game was as predictable as the sun rising in the east. The fact that fans are making more out of it than it was is a bit comical.
The Giants aren't playing well right now, but being 1-2 at this point isn't a huge surprise. Even the most optimistic fans said before the season that 3-3 would be a "win" through the first six games.
The Giants could easily be 1-5. But they could also be 3-3.
I also didn't come away from the 49er game as down as many did. I certainly didn't see a reason to from what Sy said last week to what he said this week about Daniel Jones.
RE: RE: I can’t be drawing many conclusions about this team
We’re fielding the youngest starting roster in the league and I think by a pretty wide margin. We began the year playing two of the league’s powerhouse franchises. We’re already seen five different OL combinations on the field and only two spots where the same player has played every snap. Overall we have something like ten new starters. It says something when you’re looking forward to playing teams only as good as the Seahawks, Dolphins and Bills. I’m no more patient than most but this is not the time for proclamations about the future.
As to the different OL combinations, I think it's irrelevant. We have 2 good players, AT and JMS. All of the other guys are mediocre at best, doesn't matter where you put them. It's like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
Right, and AT hasn’t played in two weeks so we’re replacing our best OL in the most important position with a backup guard. And Bredeson was better than Ezeudu, McKethan and Neal and he’s been gone as well. Anything but irrelevant.
the caliber of who they have played and various other circumstances I will get into in my next article, I'm not where Sy is.
I think this still could be a team that hovers around .500 until late in the year.
But the first half vs Arizona looked exactly the same as the Cowboy and 49er games.
There are precisely 2 teams in the league that came out of pre-season firing on all cylinders. We played them both. WaPo did a "why your team is so bad" article last week talking about the reality of the CBA pre-season, especially for teams with many new pieces.
The Cardinals first half as a residual of the Cowboy game is nonsense and a cop out. The Cardinals are the worst team in football and we’re missing possibly their best player on defense in Baker.
Dating back to the Philly game this team has been dominated for 14 of the last 16 quarters. Should they be beating Philly, Dallas and San Fran? No. Should they be getting manhandled like this? No.
I don't know if it's been the decade of Reese and Gettleman and all of the various coaches. I don't know if it is the 24-hour news cycle. I don't know if it is social media. I don't know if it is the state of sports journalism.... but arguments like the one you just made don't hold water with fans anymore.
There is absolutely no patience or perspective.
The Giants have the second-youngest team in the NFL and I doubt there is a team with a younger and more inexperienced offensive line.
The Cardinals first half as a residual of the Cowboy game is nonsense and a cop out. The Cardinals are the worst team in football and we’re missing possibly their best player on defense in Baker.
Dating back to the Philly game this team has been dominated for 14 of the last 16 quarters. Should they be beating Philly, Dallas and San Fran? No. Should they be getting manhandled like this? No.
Ignoring the 31-point second half against the Cardinals is a copout.
home opener will always factor in how this team is judged. I feel it's just human nature to know how bad this team is capable of looking due to that one game.
Not fair, but that's life and the NFL.
To me, its to that they are 1-2 right now, it's how they won/lost. Out-0played, out-muscled and out-willed.
It’s the outlier of the past 16 quarters, against a team that is actively tanking. I’d wager the offense won’t look like that again at any point of the season.
home opener will always factor in how this team is judged. I feel it's just human nature to know how bad this team is capable of looking due to that one game.
Not fair, but that's life and the NFL.
To me, its to that they are 1-2 right now, it's how they won/lost. Out-0played, out-muscled and out-willed.
So you judge the 2007 New York Giants on the 80 points they gave up in the first two games of the season?
They need to play clean fundamental football against Seattle. It’s a fair matchup and their defense isn’t good.
I think this is a sub 500 football team (maybe 6 or 7 wins) and said so back in July and August and still believe personnel aspects are really off kilter from where they need to get to and maybe want to get to. This team might be two years away still and that assumes getting some of these high draft picks moving and continuing to hit on draftees.
It’s the outlier of the past 16 quarters, against a team that is actively tanking. I’d wager the offense won’t look like that again at any point of the season.
I suspect they were still recovering from the ass-whooping in the first game.
The 49er game was as predictable as the sun rising in the east. The fact that fans are making more out of it than it was is a bit comical.
The Giants aren't playing well right now, but being 1-2 at this point isn't a huge surprise. Even the most optimistic fans said before the season that 3-3 would be a "win" through the first six games.
The Giants could easily be 1-5. But they could also be 3-3.
I also didn't come away from the 49er game as down as many did. I certainly didn't see a reason to from what Sy said last week to what he said this week about Daniel Jones.
I'm also puzzled at Sy's take this week on DJ. Like Carl Banks said, the Giants skill players need to make plays too.
home opener will always factor in how this team is judged. I feel it's just human nature to know how bad this team is capable of looking due to that one game.
Not fair, but that's life and the NFL.
To me, its to that they are 1-2 right now, it's how they won/lost. Out-0played, out-muscled and out-willed.
So you judge the 2007 New York Giants on the 80 points they gave up in the first two games of the season?
Weird. That's not how I remember them.
After the first two games- yes.
If thus team gets it together and plays as expected, I will also remember them differently.
I don't know if it's been the decade of Reese and Gettleman and all of the various coaches. I don't know if it is the 24-hour news cycle. I don't know if it is social media. I don't know if it is the state of sports journalism.... but arguments like the one you just made don't hold water with fans anymore.
There is absolutely no patience or perspective.
The Giants have the second-youngest team in the NFL and I doubt there is a team with a younger and more inexperienced offensive line.
It's essentially impossible to have a less experienced line than the Giants had against SF. You'd have to start 5 rookies.
If you are thinking about next year's draft looking for a QB....I just think you are wrong. 49ers are a great defense , they schemed for DJ, a SB less DJ, and they executed it well.
Couple issues Sy talked about I want to follow up up on. If they are going to have 2 TE sets as major part of their offense, at least one of them needs to be a strong blocker. None of our TEs are there.
And, how much help do you RBs provide re: blocking. Look at some game film re: their pass protection and chip blocks. Tons of room for improvement.
Nothing major wrong with Wink's defense. If they get the stops they should haev had on those 3rd and longs, game goes differently (not a win I think but differently). And it would help if the offense can sustain drives.
OL re: Ezudu - while versatility is great. Constantly moving young OL players around has to negatively impact their development.
If you're looking at next year's draft and off season. 2 moves to make - RT, TE, and a dominant DL are clearly highest prioities in my opinion.
On final note, they probably have something in Davidson and if they found him, maybe Riley will progress too.
If you are thinking about next year's draft looking for a QB....I just think you are wrong. 49ers are a great defense , they schemed for DJ, a SB less DJ, and they executed it well.
Couple issues Sy talked about I want to follow up up on. If they are going to have 2 TE sets as major part of their offense, at least one of them needs to be a strong blocker. None of our TEs are there.
And, how much help do you RBs provide re: blocking. Look at some game film re: their pass protection and chip blocks. Tons of room for improvement.
Nothing major wrong with Wink's defense. If they get the stops they should haev had on those 3rd and longs, game goes differently (not a win I think but differently). And it would help if the offense can sustain drives.
OL re: Ezudu - while versatility is great. Constantly moving young OL players around has to negatively impact their development.
If you're looking at next year's draft and off season. 2 moves to make - RT, TE, and a dominant DL are clearly highest prioities in my opinion.
On final note, they probably have something in Davidson and if they found him, maybe Riley will progress too.
G, WR, S, LB, Edge.
Jones is the least of our problems, also give Simmons more chances
I don't know if it's been the decade of Reese and Gettleman and all of the various coaches. I don't know if it is the 24-hour news cycle. I don't know if it is social media. I don't know if it is the state of sports journalism.... but arguments like the one you just made don't hold water with fans anymore.
There is absolutely no patience or perspective.
The Giants have the second-youngest team in the NFL and I doubt there is a team with a younger and more inexperienced offensive line.
Exactly. But somehow none of that should matter. Nor who we played or the matchups (Ezeudu v. Bosa!) or anything else. I don’t know. Don’t get it.
jk we didn't have a realistic hope against SF, even in preseason most would have checked this off as an L, so definitely not as much sting as the Dallas loss - let us never speak of it again.
I thought Davidson was really good watching the game so hopefully his injury is not very serious.
Not with you on Jones. Too many things around him are not right starting with the OL but agree he missed a few throws.
SF reminds me of a very good NFCE team built strongly on the fronts (especially D). The way very good Giants teams were built and what they will need to be again to make real progress.
I put no blame on Jones for this game. Put Hyatt on the field
all you want . If people are in your face right after the snap Hyatt has no chance to beat anyone downfield and Jones has no time to wait for him. Yes Jones missed Waller with a high throw which I totally put on Jones but he again had very few clean pockets. Compare what Purdy had was night and day. Switch QBs on these teams and Purdy is sacked at lest 10 times and Jones has a career game IMO. And Williams a stud over Dex? I didn't see that. I never pretend to know more than Sy because I certainly don't but I m going by what I saw here and we simply got our asses kicked in both trenches.
are understandably disappointed that the Giants haven't "closed the gap" with the better teams in the league, i.e. Dallas and SF, and most likely Philadelphia as well. But our OL is very inexperienced and are generating almost no edge pressure. My guess is we largely "reboot" those position groups next year. Football at all levels is won in the trenches. Our DTs are the only part of our OL and DL that can be considered elite, and that isn't enough to be competitive against the better teams.
Our schedule is also much tougher this year, we are starting two rookie CBs, and we overall have a very young team.
I agree with Eric that the Giants are likely a .500 team. With any luck they might still be in the playoff hunt in December. As a fan, that is all I can ask for this year given our deficiencies on the OL and at EDGE.
Ah that's right. I forgot about that game. Joe Judge for all his faults, his teams played Philly well.
Philly pushed the Giants around in that November 2021 game, gaining 200+ yards rushing at over 6 yards a pop. Giants won 13-7 because they won the turnover battle 4-0.
The 2022 NYG defense ranked only 25th of 32 NFL teams in yards allowed, but near average (17th) in points, partly because they tied for second in the league in fumbles recovered.
I count five of nine NYG wins in 2022 in which recovered fumbles were possibly critical to the outcome of the game.
Giant defense hasn't produced any turnovers in 2023, but they were so outmatched by DAL and SF that, ultimately, it wouldn't have mattered.
SEA and Geno Smith would be a good place to start.
But any review of the offense that doesn't start, focus nearly 100 percent on, and end with the fact that was probably the least experienced offensive line to ever start a game in the NFL just isn't worth the time.
There use to be an axiom in the NFL, that it takes 3 to 5 years to develop a NFL QB. That has changed do to economics.
But, I propose that it takes 3 to 5 years to develop adequate NFL OL these days. They need to play and look awful, but after they have their techniques, experience, tricks, etc., you just won’t notice them anymore.
The comments about McKethan are depressing.
He’s playing like a guy who values business decisions more than anything else with his contract status up in the air.
Are his conditions around him perfect? Nowhere near that. BUT, when NYG committed to Jones financially I expected him to still make some plays when things aren't perfect around him.
He gets confident and turns it on against inferior defenses. In recent memory, his best games were against the Vikings 2x, Colts and Cardinals. The offense was non existent against Philly, Dallas and SF.
It just feels like Jones is really good against bad defenses. Things will never be perfect around him , especially against the top tier teams.
Unfortunately, I think Sy said it best. "Daniel Jones just......is."
Are his conditions around him perfect? Nowhere near that. BUT, when NYG committed to Jones financially I expected him to still make some plays when things aren't perfect around him.
He gets confident and turns it on against inferior defenses. In recent memory, his best games were against the Vikings 2x, Colts and Cardinals. The offense was non existent against Philly, Dallas and SF.
It just feels like Jones is really good against bad defenses. Things will never be perfect around him , especially against the top tier teams.
Unfortunately, I think Sy said it best. "Daniel Jones just......is."
What happens if this thing goes off the rails and thru win 5 or less games? Schoen is picking somewhere between 5 and 7 and a potential QB who may be better than Jones is there staring him in the face. Do you take him and instantly create controversy for 2024? For Jones, the writing would be on the wall. If he demands a trade, would there be a team willing to take his contract?
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You articulate very well what I think about Jones. At some point he needs to make some plays when things are not working around him. It seems like he never does against good competition. Yes, he stands tall in the pocket and deals with way less than ideal situations, but I'd still like him to make a big play against a superior opponent. He just doesn't. 1-11 in prime time and he hasn't beaten Dallas or Philly since the 2020 season where both teams weren't near the level they are now.
Are his conditions around him perfect? Nowhere near that. BUT, when NYG committed to Jones financially I expected him to still make some plays when things aren't perfect around him.
He gets confident and turns it on against inferior defenses. In recent memory, his best games were against the Vikings 2x, Colts and Cardinals. The offense was non existent against Philly, Dallas and SF.
It just feels like Jones is really good against bad defenses. Things will never be perfect around him , especially against the top tier teams.
Unfortunately, I think Sy said it best. "Daniel Jones just......is."
What happens if this thing goes off the rails and thru win 5 or less games? Schoen is picking somewhere between 5 and 7 and a potential QB who may be better than Jones is there staring him in the face. Do you take him and instantly create controversy for 2024? For Jones, the writing would be on the wall. If he demands a trade, would there be a team willing to take his contract?
** they win **
Thanks SY,a few points and observations...
What the hell was Bellinger doing on our own goal line in his blocking technique???Thats JOEY BOSA lined up across from you.....
I beg to disagree on Waller,I have seen that dude absolutley take over games as a Raider.....he did it to an extent last week when we had deep threats downfield,which open up the middle of the field for him.Not so in Games 1 and 3....be patient,and hope he stays healthy.
JMS played better than his PFF grade said he did IMHO
Thibs....oy!
He just seems small and lacks the explosiveness necessary to elude the NFL level Off Linemen.
Clearly the DT/DL interior line is the strength of our team right now.
One more suggestion for stud-Jamie Gillan
His punting improved alot this offseason,he always had the leg,just lacked the abilty to angle and place the ball in spots making a return easier for the opponent.
He placed it very well...which is why his Net return #s were great!!
Thanks again Sy
He outplayed Hurts who was completely awful and did so with Barkley being ineffective.
I think this still could be a team that hovers around .500 until late in the year.
That is getting way ahead of things, but if they bottom out it should absolutely be on the table.
He outplayed Hurts who was completely awful and did so with Barkley being ineffective.
Ah that's right. I forgot about that game. Joe Judge for all his faults, his teams played Philly well.
As to the different OL combinations, I think it's irrelevant. We have 2 good players, AT and JMS. All of the other guys are mediocre at best, doesn't matter where you put them. It's like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
I think this still could be a team that hovers around .500 until late in the year.
+1
I think this still could be a team that hovers around .500 until late in the year.
But the first half vs Arizona looked exactly the same as the Cowboy and 49er games.
The OL is a much bigger problem than Jones IMO. Yes, Jones missed some throws, but every QB does. Jones is frequently running for his life as soon as he handles the snap from center. When he has a reasonable amount of time, he's effective, something I think would also be true against the better teams if he had better pass protection.
The common problem with our OL is that they have slow feet, and therefore poor lateral agility and mobility. That includes McKethan, Neal, Glowinski, Peart, and Lemieux. The result is that McKethan and Neal are effective run blockers but poor in pass protection. Jones will continue to be limited until we find better pass protecting OL.
I'd like to see more from KT, but it's too early to give up on him or Neal IMO. Ward, Basham, and Ximines also aren't generating any edge pressure. I agree they should consider elevating and playing Fox, but I doubt that he will provide a large amount of pressure.
The missed tackles were obviously very damaging.
Most rookies struggle in the NFL, so it is not surprising that Hawkins and Banks are as well.
I agree it looks like McKinney won't get a second contract, but let's see how the rest of the year finishes before making that final conclusion.
I suspect they were still recovering from the ass-whooping in the first game.
The 49er game was as predictable as the sun rising in the east. The fact that fans are making more out of it than it was is a bit comical.
The Giants aren't playing well right now, but being 1-2 at this point isn't a huge surprise. Even the most optimistic fans said before the season that 3-3 would be a "win" through the first six games.
The Giants could easily be 1-5. But they could also be 3-3.
I also didn't come away from the 49er game as down as many did. I certainly didn't see a reason to from what Sy said last week to what he said this week about Daniel Jones.
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We’re fielding the youngest starting roster in the league and I think by a pretty wide margin. We began the year playing two of the league’s powerhouse franchises. We’re already seen five different OL combinations on the field and only two spots where the same player has played every snap. Overall we have something like ten new starters. It says something when you’re looking forward to playing teams only as good as the Seahawks, Dolphins and Bills. I’m no more patient than most but this is not the time for proclamations about the future.
As to the different OL combinations, I think it's irrelevant. We have 2 good players, AT and JMS. All of the other guys are mediocre at best, doesn't matter where you put them. It's like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
Right, and AT hasn’t played in two weeks so we’re replacing our best OL in the most important position with a backup guard. And Bredeson was better than Ezeudu, McKethan and Neal and he’s been gone as well. Anything but irrelevant.
How they get to 3-3 doesn't matter to me.
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the caliber of who they have played and various other circumstances I will get into in my next article, I'm not where Sy is.
I think this still could be a team that hovers around .500 until late in the year.
But the first half vs Arizona looked exactly the same as the Cowboy and 49er games.
There are precisely 2 teams in the league that came out of pre-season firing on all cylinders. We played them both. WaPo did a "why your team is so bad" article last week talking about the reality of the CBA pre-season, especially for teams with many new pieces.
Dating back to the Philly game this team has been dominated for 14 of the last 16 quarters. Should they be beating Philly, Dallas and San Fran? No. Should they be getting manhandled like this? No.
There is absolutely no patience or perspective.
The Giants have the second-youngest team in the NFL and I doubt there is a team with a younger and more inexperienced offensive line.
Dating back to the Philly game this team has been dominated for 14 of the last 16 quarters. Should they be beating Philly, Dallas and San Fran? No. Should they be getting manhandled like this? No.
Ignoring the 31-point second half against the Cardinals is a copout.
Not fair, but that's life and the NFL.
To me, its to that they are 1-2 right now, it's how they won/lost. Out-0played, out-muscled and out-willed.
Not fair, but that's life and the NFL.
To me, its to that they are 1-2 right now, it's how they won/lost. Out-0played, out-muscled and out-willed.
So you judge the 2007 New York Giants on the 80 points they gave up in the first two games of the season?
Weird. That's not how I remember them.
They need to play clean fundamental football against Seattle. It’s a fair matchup and their defense isn’t good.
I think this is a sub 500 football team (maybe 6 or 7 wins) and said so back in July and August and still believe personnel aspects are really off kilter from where they need to get to and maybe want to get to. This team might be two years away still and that assumes getting some of these high draft picks moving and continuing to hit on draftees.
We shall see, won't we?
I suspect they were still recovering from the ass-whooping in the first game.
The 49er game was as predictable as the sun rising in the east. The fact that fans are making more out of it than it was is a bit comical.
The Giants aren't playing well right now, but being 1-2 at this point isn't a huge surprise. Even the most optimistic fans said before the season that 3-3 would be a "win" through the first six games.
The Giants could easily be 1-5. But they could also be 3-3.
I also didn't come away from the 49er game as down as many did. I certainly didn't see a reason to from what Sy said last week to what he said this week about Daniel Jones.
I'm also puzzled at Sy's take this week on DJ. Like Carl Banks said, the Giants skill players need to make plays too.
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home opener will always factor in how this team is judged. I feel it's just human nature to know how bad this team is capable of looking due to that one game.
Not fair, but that's life and the NFL.
To me, its to that they are 1-2 right now, it's how they won/lost. Out-0played, out-muscled and out-willed.
So you judge the 2007 New York Giants on the 80 points they gave up in the first two games of the season?
Weird. That's not how I remember them.
After the first two games- yes.
If thus team gets it together and plays as expected, I will also remember them differently.
However, at the moment no.
There is absolutely no patience or perspective.
The Giants have the second-youngest team in the NFL and I doubt there is a team with a younger and more inexperienced offensive line.
It's essentially impossible to have a less experienced line than the Giants had against SF. You'd have to start 5 rookies.
Couple issues Sy talked about I want to follow up up on. If they are going to have 2 TE sets as major part of their offense, at least one of them needs to be a strong blocker. None of our TEs are there.
And, how much help do you RBs provide re: blocking. Look at some game film re: their pass protection and chip blocks. Tons of room for improvement.
Nothing major wrong with Wink's defense. If they get the stops they should haev had on those 3rd and longs, game goes differently (not a win I think but differently). And it would help if the offense can sustain drives.
OL re: Ezudu - while versatility is great. Constantly moving young OL players around has to negatively impact their development.
If you're looking at next year's draft and off season. 2 moves to make - RT, TE, and a dominant DL are clearly highest prioities in my opinion.
On final note, they probably have something in Davidson and if they found him, maybe Riley will progress too.
Couple issues Sy talked about I want to follow up up on. If they are going to have 2 TE sets as major part of their offense, at least one of them needs to be a strong blocker. None of our TEs are there.
And, how much help do you RBs provide re: blocking. Look at some game film re: their pass protection and chip blocks. Tons of room for improvement.
Nothing major wrong with Wink's defense. If they get the stops they should haev had on those 3rd and longs, game goes differently (not a win I think but differently). And it would help if the offense can sustain drives.
OL re: Ezudu - while versatility is great. Constantly moving young OL players around has to negatively impact their development.
If you're looking at next year's draft and off season. 2 moves to make - RT, TE, and a dominant DL are clearly highest prioities in my opinion.
On final note, they probably have something in Davidson and if they found him, maybe Riley will progress too.
G, WR, S, LB, Edge.
There is absolutely no patience or perspective.
The Giants have the second-youngest team in the NFL and I doubt there is a team with a younger and more inexperienced offensive line.
Exactly. But somehow none of that should matter. Nor who we played or the matchups (Ezeudu v. Bosa!) or anything else. I don’t know. Don’t get it.
jk we didn't have a realistic hope against SF, even in preseason most would have checked this off as an L, so definitely not as much sting as the Dallas loss - let us never speak of it again.
Not with you on Jones. Too many things around him are not right starting with the OL but agree he missed a few throws.
SF reminds me of a very good NFCE team built strongly on the fronts (especially D). The way very good Giants teams were built and what they will need to be again to make real progress.
Our schedule is also much tougher this year, we are starting two rookie CBs, and we overall have a very young team.
I agree with Eric that the Giants are likely a .500 team. With any luck they might still be in the playoff hunt in December. As a fan, that is all I can ask for this year given our deficiencies on the OL and at EDGE.
Ah that's right. I forgot about that game. Joe Judge for all his faults, his teams played Philly well.
Philly pushed the Giants around in that November 2021 game, gaining 200+ yards rushing at over 6 yards a pop. Giants won 13-7 because they won the turnover battle 4-0.
The 2022 NYG defense ranked only 25th of 32 NFL teams in yards allowed, but near average (17th) in points, partly because they tied for second in the league in fumbles recovered.
I count five of nine NYG wins in 2022 in which recovered fumbles were possibly critical to the outcome of the game.
Giant defense hasn't produced any turnovers in 2023, but they were so outmatched by DAL and SF that, ultimately, it wouldn't have mattered.
SEA and Geno Smith would be a good place to start.
But, I propose that it takes 3 to 5 years to develop adequate NFL OL these days. They need to play and look awful, but after they have their techniques, experience, tricks, etc., you just won’t notice them anymore.
Its hard I know, Be patient.