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NFL official explains why Trent Williams didn't get tossed

M.S. : 9/23/2023 11:13 am

after he punched A’Shawn Robinson on the side of his grill. Saw this in The Athletic and will paraphrase (and if already posted will delete.)

IMO, he should have been tossed based on an X video on PFF which clearly shows Trent WIlliams striking A'Shawn Robinson with a closed fist. In any event, here goes:

"We...just didn’t see anything that rose to the level of flagrant... we couldn’t confirm... it truly (was a) closed fist with a strike..."

I thought the refs Thursday Night sucked, and they missed this call big time, but whatever. The Giants needed a hell of a lot more than better refs to win that game.

How about this one...  
SirLoinOfBeef : 9/23/2023 11:16 am : link
We made a mistake. Sorry.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/23/2023 11:17 am : link
Is he @ least going to get fined?
Home field  
Sammo85 : 9/23/2023 11:19 am : link
If that was on road, he was getting tossed.

That reffing crew definitely gave some home cooking to SF on their calls.
BS  
Spider43 : 9/23/2023 11:19 am : link
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Cause  
Paulie Walnuts : 9/23/2023 11:19 am : link
He's a name player it was bullshit
does rule book  
bc4life : 9/23/2023 11:21 am : link
define flagrant punches versus non-flagrant?


Here's the real explanation - "we f'd up!" or "because of 49er team quality and Williams' stature as a player, Hochuli sucked his testicles into his body like a turtle sucks their head into their shell, and made a referee's career decision".

Meanwhile all the sports talking heads acted like Sgt Shultz on Hogan's Heroes "seeing nothing".
NFL say anything  
bc4life : 9/23/2023 11:25 am : link
about the DJ Davidson injury? Or Buford's actions afterward?
If the NFL doesn't come down hard on Trent Williams  
M.S. : 9/23/2023 11:26 am : link

with a significant fine and/or 1-game suspension, then it just reinforces the (extremely) low regard I hold the NFL as a corporate organization.
Pro-bowlers  
Bill in UT : 9/23/2023 11:27 am : link
get a pass for the most part
RE: does rule book  
SirLoinOfBeef : 9/23/2023 11:27 am : link
In comment 16218490 bc4life said:
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define flagrant punches versus non-flagrant?


Here's the real explanation - "we f'd up!" or "because of 49er team quality and Williams' stature as a player, Hochuli sucked his testicles into his body like a turtle sucks their head into their shell, and made a referee's career decision".

Meanwhile all the sports talking heads acted like Sgt Shultz on Hogan's Heroes "seeing nothing".


Seems like Hochuli loves himself some TV time as much as his old man did.

"Honey, where's my shirt that makes my arms look bigger?... You know, the one Al Michaels creams over..."
RE: does rule book  
HBart : 9/23/2023 11:29 am : link
In comment 16218490 bc4life said:
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define flagrant punches versus non-flagrant?


Here's the real explanation - "we f'd up!" or "because of 49er team quality and Williams' stature as a player, Hochuli sucked his testicles into his body like a turtle sucks their head into their shell, and made a referee's career decision".

Meanwhile all the sports talking heads acted like Sgt Shultz on Hogan's Heroes "seeing nothing".

This^^
RE: RE: does rule book  
HBart : 9/23/2023 11:29 am : link
In comment 16218504 SirLoinOfBeef said:
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In comment 16218490 bc4life said:


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define flagrant punches versus non-flagrant?


Here's the real explanation - "we f'd up!" or "because of 49er team quality and Williams' stature as a player, Hochuli sucked his testicles into his body like a turtle sucks their head into their shell, and made a referee's career decision".

Meanwhile all the sports talking heads acted like Sgt Shultz on Hogan's Heroes "seeing nothing".



Seems like Hochuli loves himself some TV time as much as his old man did.

"Honey, where's my shirt that makes my arms look bigger?... You know, the one Al Michaels creams over..."

And this^^
RE: NFL say anything  
M.S. : 9/23/2023 11:30 am : link
In comment 16218500 bc4life said:
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about the DJ Davidson injury? Or Buford's actions afterward?

THIS one has me outraged.

Did the Giants defenders on the field NOT realize what had just happened? Ane then to see Davidson taunted/bumped into as he left the field holding his injured elbow, THAT was the be-all to end-all. I wanted to jump through the F***ing screen. Just disgraceful act.
Why doesn't NFL  
bronxboy : 9/23/2023 11:30 am : link
review flagrant fouls or fights like the NBA?
According to 9er fans  
Joe Beckwith : 9/23/2023 11:31 am : link
A’shawn had given Williams a throat punch that was uncalled so it evened out…I guess.
RE: According to 9er fans  
BillT : 9/23/2023 11:34 am : link
In comment 16218512 Joe Beckwith said:
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A’shawn had given Williams a throat punch that was uncalled so it evened out…I guess.

Pictures or GTFO.
I cal BS to NFL. Automatic ejection I don't care what team he plays  
Blue21 : 9/23/2023 11:37 am : link
For. They are embarrassing themselves twice here Once for the non call and twice for backing it up. Pathetic
RE: According to 9er fans  
Chris in Philly : 9/23/2023 11:39 am : link
In comment 16218512 Joe Beckwith said:
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A’shawn had given Williams a throat punch that was uncalled so it evened out…I guess.


Are 9er fans also saying Greenlaw slipped on a banana peel when he late hit Slayton? Fuck that team and fuck their fans.
The worst was  
nygiants16 : 9/23/2023 11:46 am : link
after the williams Roughing the passer, the very next drive 2 niners hit Jones late, one helmet to helmet in Jones facemask, no call..

that same drive the niners db is beat and he grabs hodgins the rest of the route, no call..

2nd half they call the ticky tack penalty on Thibs..

Giants were not going to win but they shouldnt of had to play with a different set of rules
RE: RE: NFL say anything  
GiantGrit : 9/23/2023 11:54 am : link
In comment 16218509 M.S. said:
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In comment 16218500 bc4life said:


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about the DJ Davidson injury? Or Buford's actions afterward?


THIS one has me outraged.

Did the Giants defenders on the field NOT realize what had just happened? Ane then to see Davidson taunted/bumped into as he left the field holding his injured elbow, THAT was the be-all to end-all. I wanted to jump through the F***ing screen. Just disgraceful act.


Coupled with not sticking up for Jones in the Dallas game, I see a trend with this team. Definitely lacks an edge/asshole presence that is needed in football. It just is.

Every single team in the league should know if they try this crap on the Giants to watch their backs. Especially Jones.
RE: Home field  
smshmth8690 : 9/23/2023 11:58 am : link
In comment 16218486 Sammo85 said:
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If that was on road, he was getting tossed.

That reffing crew definitely gave some home cooking to SF on their calls.


They always do.
There's something to be said for the "Hockey goon" strategy  
bc4life : 9/23/2023 11:59 am : link
How do you think players like LT or Armistead would react to that?
The NFL is fixed and that's all there is to say.  
Red Dog : 9/23/2023 1:26 pm : link
A long time fan who has one foot out the door and the other foot heading in that direction.
Trent Williams  
McNally's_Nuts : 9/23/2023 1:27 pm : link
is a dirty player who shouldn't get the benefit of the doubt in any situation.
They certainly  
mittenedman : 9/23/2023 2:10 pm : link
had no trouble seeing all the infractions the Giants had.
Death, taxes, and  
mfsd : 9/23/2023 2:41 pm : link
the refs fucking the Giants in SF
They replay all kinds of bullshit, why not this?  
Jack Stroud : 9/23/2023 2:47 pm : link
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RE: Death, taxes, and  
Pepe LePugh : 9/23/2023 2:49 pm : link
In comment 16218732 mfsd said:
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the refs fucking the Giants in SF

Bummer
RE: The worst was  
FStubbs : 9/23/2023 3:05 pm : link
In comment 16218538 nygiants16 said:
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after the williams Roughing the passer, the very next drive 2 niners hit Jones late, one helmet to helmet in Jones facemask, no call..

that same drive the niners db is beat and he grabs hodgins the rest of the route, no call..

2nd half they call the ticky tack penalty on Thibs..

Giants were not going to win but they shouldnt of had to play with a different set of rules


The moment they did that, McCaffrey should not have walked out of that game in one piece.
Bottom line if Ezeadu did this to Boss  
kelly : 9/23/2023 5:55 pm : link
He would have been ejected.

The Refs are not tossing out all pro players on playoff teams.

They will toss out no name players on shitty teams without hesitation because nobody will question it

Its not fair but that is the reality and the nfl knows this and their silence condones it.
From a quick glance at the rules it’s  
JoeSchoens11 : 9/23/2023 7:58 pm : link
2 incidents of throwing a punch (landing or not) to be automatically disqualified. The first one is apparently up to the refs discretion.

Interestingly, all their example plays have the player ejected for landing a punch.
sounds like a Tisch family  
BigBlueCane : 9/23/2023 8:45 pm : link
member should start wondering aloud to the NY press why the NFL refs are so incompetent.
I dunno if it was Thibs or  
NINEster : 9/24/2023 5:32 pm : link
some other DL, but he snuck in a hit on Williams first.

So Banks was shoved, Williams shoved back, then took a hit that was very first and unnoticed.

All that was focused on was Williams' more flagrant hit.

But the evidence is there on Twitter/IG.

I thought it was uncharacteristic of Williams, and I was right.

Not saying it's right, but certainly it wasn't the first punch.

And for that, it's a good no call unless both get ejected/penalized/fined.
RE: I dunno if it was Thibs or  
section125 : 9/24/2023 5:53 pm : link
In comment 16219948 NINEster said:
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some other DL, but he snuck in a hit on Williams first.

So Banks was shoved, Williams shoved back, then took a hit that was very first and unnoticed.

All that was focused on was Williams' more flagrant hit.

But the evidence is there on Twitter/IG.

I thought it was uncharacteristic of Williams, and I was right.

Not saying it's right, but certainly it wasn't the first punch.

And for that, it's a good no call unless both get ejected/penalized/fined.


Williams was a human grab machine the whole game, he and Buford.

He may have been hit before the punch - he and A'Shawn, I think, traded shoves and then Williams threw the punch. Don't care if he got shoved, throwing a punch wasn't warranted.
Uncharacteristic..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/24/2023 5:54 pm : link
of Williams?? What homeristic crap.

He has a history of doing flagrant shit. He was ejected from the Eagles NFC Championship game for fuck's sake. He has been fined for punching Richard Sherman.

You should probably get a better grasp of what uncharacteristic means.
RE: Uncharacteristic..  
Larry in Pencilvania : 9/24/2023 7:43 pm : link
In comment 16219990 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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of Williams?? What homeristic crap.

He has a history of doing flagrant shit. He was ejected from the Eagles NFC Championship game for fuck's sake. He has been fined for punching Richard Sherman.

You should probably get a better grasp of what uncharacteristic means.


Come on Fats.... It's not like he killed somebody
One, that's not how the rule reads (flagrant vs. not flagrant)  
Matt M. : 9/25/2023 11:12 am : link
Two, even if they blew that part of the call, not fining him after the game is just as bad or worse, in my opinion. It doubles down on the mistake.
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