I am just thankful the New Orleans Saints took George Rogers out of the University of South Carolina with the 1st pick of the 1981 draft and a linebacker from the North Carolina Tar Heels named Lawrence Taylor dropped to us and we selected him with the 2nd pick as Commissioner Pete Rozelle beamed that famous 😀 as cheers erupted around the room.
Pass on TJ Watt hurt more because at the the time the team was hurting for a pass rusher and he seemed like a easy pick for the Giants were as parsons I don't think anybody saw the pass rusher he could be
Pass on TJ Watt hurt more because at the the time the team was hurting for a pass rusher and he seemed like a easy pick for the Giants were as parsons I don't think anybody saw the pass rusher he could be
Yeah, there were plenty of us saying he could be an elite pass rusher in the draft.
A lot of people saw it. They ostensibly gave him a mysterious character flag that nobody knew much about or why, so everyone, including the Cowboys, knew the Giants wouldn't take him.
It's nuts. And lots of us immediately knew how devastating it was that he became a Cowboy.
No matter how you break it down. Now, that said, I don’t think anyone here on BBI could have ever predicted he would be the second coming of LT, especially after he missed his junior year of college.
Mainly because Evan Engram was a terrible pick. So typical of the decline of acumen at the end of the Reese era. A great athlete who didn’t have a position and wasn’t especially good at football.
highly connected to Penn State at the time? I thought the fact they didn't give their blessing was very telling. It sucks, but personally I'm tired of hearing the crying over it (not just on BBI).
highly connected to Penn State at the time? I thought the fact they didn't give their blessing was very telling. It sucks, but personally I'm tired of hearing the crying over it (not just on BBI).
I think it was widely known from asshats here that Gettleman wanted Parsons but Judge was pounding the table to trade down and he wanted a wr which lead to forcing the pick for toney after passing on parsons and trading down. I imagine Gettleman might still be here if he got his guy in that draft, for better or more likely for worse. Gettleman did hit on some draft picks like Andrew Thomas.
TJ Watt thinking why? Miami Dolphins did too. They Picked drafted Charles Harris?! smh. It boggles my mind because if there is anything the Giants Org should understand is that the reason they won those Super Bowls against the Pats was because they actual focused on the trenches. They put a huge emphasis on building strong Dlines and Olines. Why did they go from the one thing that made them so successful?
to rehash Parsons. One of Judges' D coaches was on the PSU staff with Parsons and flat put said not to take him because of a couple incidents Parsons was part of.
So yes a colossel miss. He really is the closest thing to LT I have seen.
Dallas didn’t realize how good he was going to be as a pass rusher. They had to use him as a pass rusher due to injuries to the DL. He started out next to VanderEsche as a 2 way LB. Once put into the pass rush role extensively they realized how good he was and left him to do that.
Would the Giants have figured that out or not - who knows
that the giants did not pass on more great players, over those that washed out (over the past 10 years), than almost any other org, for me not to believe it.
I'd wonder how throwing darts randomly at a wall might have done, vs what we did.
Shows how clueless most fans are. There I said it.
You can do this all day with every team. The revisionist history is sickening. Most of us were happy with the picks when they happened.
When it comes to Watt, yes, but when it comes to Parsons, no, that is a legit gripe. It's like a double kick in the nuts, when Philly jumped in front of the Giants to take DeVanta Smith, and then trading down, leaving Parsons to Dallas, and for us to take you know who. That not the same as other teams passing on Parsons too.
RE: You could do this with every draft pick for every team every year...
He was so focused on taking Devonta Smith with that pick he was totally caught by surprise when Philly traded with Dallas and jumped ahead of us to steal Smith. Once his player was gone, he just figured he'd trade down and get an extra pick, never giving Parsons a second thought
Beginning in the early 2010s the Giants draft process and talent development was a complete mess that did not get fixed for a long time (and maybe still hasn't). It's one of the reasons they are in the current situation.
highly connected to Penn State at the time? I thought the fact they didn't give their blessing was very telling. It sucks, but personally I'm tired of hearing the crying over it (not just on BBI).
I think it was widely known from asshats here that Gettleman wanted Parsons but Judge was pounding the table to trade down and he wanted a wr which lead to forcing the pick for toney after passing on parsons and trading down. I imagine Gettleman might still be here if he got his guy in that draft, for better or more likely for worse. Gettleman did hit on some draft picks like Andrew Thomas.
I was totally up for picking him -- couldn't even understand why he wasn't picked by us or before us. He was a no-brainer in my mind. I twas all there -- he was exactly the same type of player as his brother coming out.
to rehash Parsons. One of Judges' D coaches was on the PSU staff with Parsons and flat put said not to take him because of a couple incidents Parsons was part of.
So yes a colossel miss. He really is the closest thing to LT I have seen.
That was what we heard at the time. People change. Oh well...next!
You try to learn from things. But don't dwell on things that were unknown and then known years later.
Yeah, there were plenty of us saying he could be an elite pass rusher in the draft.
A lot of people saw it. They ostensibly gave him a mysterious character flag that nobody knew much about or why, so everyone, including the Cowboys, knew the Giants wouldn't take him.
It's nuts. And lots of us immediately knew how devastating it was that he became a Cowboy.
It sucks, it was a colossal miss.
I think it was widely known from asshats here that Gettleman wanted Parsons but Judge was pounding the table to trade down and he wanted a wr which lead to forcing the pick for toney after passing on parsons and trading down. I imagine Gettleman might still be here if he got his guy in that draft, for better or more likely for worse. Gettleman did hit on some draft picks like Andrew Thomas.
He's only one of the best tackles in the NFL. A monster pass blocker.
So yes a colossel miss. He really is the closest thing to LT I have seen.
I am more concerned with guys we have chosen high- Thibs and Neal that are not where they need to be.
Thibs is more rep than result and it is getting more and more noticeable each week.
Should start questioning Winks use of a pass rusher. But Wink never really uses ERs like everyone else.
Would the Giants have figured that out or not - who knows
He is a tremendous player
Crosby had a great combine performance but I guess Mark Ross was giving interviews and missed him.
You can do this all day with every team. The revisionist history is sickening. Most of us were happy with the picks when they happened.
I'd wonder how throwing darts randomly at a wall might have done, vs what we did.
Should start questioning Winks use of a pass rusher. But Wink never really uses ERs like everyone else.
He values his OLB to cover the flats and contain.
It isn't Wink's fault Thibodeaux is having issues getting by a single TE.
You can do this all day with every team. The revisionist history is sickening. Most of us were happy with the picks when they happened.
When it comes to Watt, yes, but when it comes to Parsons, no, that is a legit gripe. It's like a double kick in the nuts, when Philly jumped in front of the Giants to take DeVanta Smith, and then trading down, leaving Parsons to Dallas, and for us to take you know who. That not the same as other teams passing on Parsons too.
hindsite is 20/20
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Thibs incorrectly. Why was Thibs in pass coverage on the goal line instead of pressuring the QB? He is their best rusher not a cover guy.
Should start questioning Winks use of a pass rusher. But Wink never really uses ERs like everyone else.
He values his OLB to cover the flats and contain.
Contain like Patrick Graham?
You try to learn from things. But don't dwell on things that were unknown and then known years later.
were we the only team that passed on those guys?
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highly connected to Penn State at the time? I thought the fact they didn't give their blessing was very telling. It sucks, but personally I'm tired of hearing the crying over it (not just on BBI).
I think it was widely known from asshats here that Gettleman wanted Parsons but Judge was pounding the table to trade down and he wanted a wr which lead to forcing the pick for toney after passing on parsons and trading down. I imagine Gettleman might still be here if he got his guy in that draft, for better or more likely for worse. Gettleman did hit on some draft picks like Andrew Thomas.
Correct
So yes a colossel miss. He really is the closest thing to LT I have seen.
I'm more focused on passing on Watt, which was inexcusable, especially in favor of a TE.
But also focusing on the fact that we passed on not just one HOF edge rusher but TWO within a couple years.
It's especially galling considering how much this team has struggled getting consistent pressure for over a decade.