In comment 16220894 Gatorade Dunk said:
[quote] If Donovan McNabb is "Never Won the Big One" then what is DJ? Never Won the Small Ones Either? [/quotes
Well Eli did not puke on his 2 Super Bowl winning drives like McNabb did on his losing drive.
In comment 16220894 Gatorade Dunk said:
If Donovan McNabb is "Never Won the Big One" then what is DJ? Never Won the Small Ones Either?
Well Eli did not puke on his 2 Super Bowl winning drives like McNabb did on his losing drive.
If Donovan McNabb is "Never Won the Big One" then what is DJ? Never Won the Small Ones Either?
Does a road playoff game in a hostile environment not count at all?
How about two weeks ago when the Cardinals had the Giants down 28-7 and DJ put the team on his back for the comeback win? Perhaps in light of Arizona’s efforts over the last 3 weeks, maybe they’re not as bad as the talking heads said.
McNabb can say whatever he wants but the Daniel Jones story is still not even half written.
RE: People can get annoyed all they want about who says what
and the Eagles feasted on a poor NFCE and overall NFC. Things got a lot harder for him and the Eagles starting in 2005. When I think of those Eagles teams I think of the D first.
Agree that the Giants and Jones control the narrative moving forward and it will be a team effort how it plays out.
Nothing wrong with his opinion but not factoring in the variables around the QB is a bit short sighted imv.
RE: RE: People can get annoyed all they want about who says what
But it is up to DJ and this team to change the narrative.
That is indeed the answer.
When Jones is in the prime-time slot, he's 1-11. You can try to nuance around that over and over and over, but it's a miserable result.
Look at Cousins. He's been a very productive regular season QB. But when he's in the prime-time slot, he's been a disaster, too.
That sticks.
I think it is the way he plays too, the "gun-shy" nature. People would think higher about an uneven QB making big plays and bad ones than one that is risk averse.
People were quick to dismiss the 49er player comments but what they were saying was an accurate assessment...
Giant fans will say Herbert doesn't win enough despite the Chargers having a poor head coach and a QB who has fantastic production. Yet, for the Giants it's an OL issue. It's a lack of weapons.
Giant fans just as guilty as criticizing a QB without context when it isn't their own.
If Donovan McNabb is "Never Won the Big One" then what is DJ? Never Won the Small Ones Either?
Does a road playoff game in a hostile environment not count at all?
How about two weeks ago when the Cardinals had the Giants down 28-7 and DJ put the team on his back for the comeback win? Perhaps in light of Arizona’s efforts over the last 3 weeks, maybe they’re not as bad as the talking heads said.
McNabb can say whatever he wants but the Daniel Jones story is still not even half written.
Fair point. Do you want to let Eric know that there's no point in having BBI since we can't fairly discuss players until after their career is complete?
And let's also make sure we apply the same level of consideration to all players, not just the QB.
I'm sure Ximines, for example, will be excited to know that the fanbase has universally decided that his story, like DJ's, is still not even half written.
...are performing better than Mr "twenty percent of the cap", it is open season for criticism. From friend and foe alike.
Instead of complaining about the critics, how about DJ having a top ten type quarterback game against a mediocre defense next Monday night to silence the critics? Perhaps three hundred yards passing, three TDs with his arm and legs, and no interceptions? How about beating a winning team for just the sixth time in his more than four years as our quarterback? How about that?
Or will he simply become 1-12 in prime time games and essentially turn this season into another 2017?
I dislike McNabb, but this part of his job. DJ does need to play better. Next game will be a good barometer. Andy Dalton played really well with people in his face instantly almost every down.
...are performing better than Mr "twenty percent of the cap", it is open season for criticism. From friend and foe alike.
Instead of complaining about the critics, how about DJ having a top ten type quarterback game against a mediocre defense next Monday night to silence the critics? Perhaps three hundred yards passing, three TDs with his arm and legs, and no interceptions? How about beating a winning team for just the sixth time in his more than four years as our quarterback? How about that?
Or will he simply become 1-12 in prime time games and essentially turn this season into another 2017?
Yep - he has to do it all by himself. Let’s hope the other 10 players continue at their high level of playing on offense. To go along with the defense who can’t stop a soul.
Like I said same 4-5 people every thread saying the same thing..
Nobody is sitting around micro analyzing Jones. If he plays well he will be lauded—if he doesn’t he won’t be. Nobody cares about an OL or who is hurt etc. we can have those discussions here, but don’t expect the rest of the world to have them or care.
There's really no reason to be offended. This is the way the rest of the fan bases and teams view Jones. Win, put up top 10 stats, and roll out a top 10 offense. Others may nitpick and have immaterial criticisms if that were the case, but we haven't even gotten to that point.
You can't criticize Burrow, Herbert, etc. and then be offended when Jones catches flack. We know the shortcomings around Jones from a team perspective, the rest of the football world isn't excusing it like the BBI fan base.
RE: If DJ does a choke and puke in a playoff game, then McNabb can
If DJ wins an NFCCG, he can puke in the Super Bowl.
Until then, this stupid attempt to discredit McNabb's POV is childish. Some of you act like it's better to never reach the big game because it means you can't fail there.
DJ is 1-11 in prime time games. But sure, let's attack the critic because he choked spectacularly in a game that's bigger than any game DJ has ever played.
If Donovan McNabb is "Never Won the Big One" then what is DJ? Never Won the Small Ones Either?
Does a road playoff game in a hostile environment not count at all?
How about two weeks ago when the Cardinals had the Giants down 28-7 and DJ put the team on his back for the comeback win? Perhaps in light of Arizona’s efforts over the last 3 weeks, maybe they’re not as bad as the talking heads said.
McNabb can say whatever he wants but the Daniel Jones story is still not even half written.
Fair point. Do you want to let Eric know that there's no point in having BBI since we can't fairly discuss players until after their career is complete?
And let's also make sure we apply the same level of consideration to all players, not just the QB.
I'm sure Ximines, for example, will be excited to know that the fanbase has universally decided that his story, like DJ's, is still not even half written.
So a fair discussion begins with you stating that DJ should be categorized as “Never Having Won the Small Ones”? Hmmm.
And LOL at comparing an overdrafted small school DE project to the starting quarterback. If Ximines’ Giants story is not on its last pages, that would be one hell of a plot twist. To date, his story is a children’s pop up book and little Billy’s eyelids are getting real heavy.
But if Jones became even 75% of Mcnabb that would be fantastic
No, this is all wrong.
75% of McNabb? Really? McNabb's issues were always completion % and winning in the playoffs.
If Jones only reached 75% of McNabb, his current completion % would already be above the number...and NO Giant fan is going to accept losing in the playoffs time and time again as the favorite.
RE: Yeah BBI may have a never ending string of excuses for DJ
but the rest of the world expects a $40M QB to look competitive against contenders.
I feel like the same people mock Dak and turn around and are excuse acrobats for DJ and that makes zero sense.
Dak has had top receivers to throw to since he has been in the league (Lamb, Dez, Cooper, Witten). And he hasn't looked excellent in the playoffs (vs the same 49ers) and he looked pretty underwhelming yesterday against the same defense Daniel Jones beat a week ago with Josh Ezeudu at LT.
These same shitheads will take the time of day to criticize Jones. But never the other overpaid QBs like Deshaun Watson and Kyler Murray. McNabb can fuck off. Jim Johnson carried his ass and still didn't win anything.
Daniel Jones does not have the great supporting cast, there is no doubt. But let's he honest, everything he plays a big game in primetime, he has sucked. He had not once carried this team to a win over a good or a contending team, and he deserves the criticism for that. With that said, I do believe in Jones, and I do believe he will continue to improve this season. But you guys that get sensitive to criticism for Jones, he is not above criticism, and still does not pick up secondary rwcievers well. That first read isn't thete he is not good enough. If he were, we are not losing 40-0 against Dallas. Come on now. Shit. Time to shut up and let this play out. Dedending Jones right now is a horrible look. He is not competitive against contending teams. He liaes this next game at home against Seattle. Then he deserves criticism. So let's watch and learn, instead of saying like this QB had spread proven himself. He has not.
...are performing better than Mr "twenty percent of the cap", it is open season for criticism. From friend and foe alike.
Instead of complaining about the critics, how about DJ having a top ten type quarterback game against a mediocre defense next Monday night to silence the critics? Perhaps three hundred yards passing, three TDs with his arm and legs, and no interceptions? How about beating a winning team for just the sixth time in his more than four years as our quarterback? How about that?
Or will he simply become 1-12 in prime time games and essentially turn this season into another 2017?
The Cards ran for 200 yards yesterday. They ran for 150 against the Giants. Do you see the Giants doing that? Gardner Minshew averaged 5.2 yards per passing attempt yesterday. That’s nearly a half yard below what Zack Wilson has done so far this season. Brock Purdy??? He’s converting long third downs on passes that are behind the line of scrimmage. Stop the nonsense.
And will be shit on when he gets into the Hall of Fame.
Let it play out and ignore the noise.
That being said, Herbert should be 0 and 3 and Burrow could be 0 and 3 with some awful numbers. Herbert’s game winning touchdown should have been intercepted and their coach almost handed the Vikings the game to Cousins—someone who has gotten so much money but lost to DJ in the playoffs.
Tua was a busy but has a great team now with excellent coaching and just put up 70.
There are so many factors going into a team being good.
RE: RE: Yeah BBI may have a never ending string of excuses for DJ
but the rest of the world expects a $40M QB to look competitive against contenders.
I feel like the same people mock Dak and turn around and are excuse acrobats for DJ and that makes zero sense.
Dak has had top receivers to throw to since he has been in the league (Lamb, Dez, Cooper, Witten). And he hasn't looked excellent in the playoffs (vs the same 49ers) and he looked pretty underwhelming yesterday against the same defense Daniel Jones beat a week ago with Josh Ezeudu at LT.
These same shitheads will take the time of day to criticize Jones. But never the other overpaid QBs like Deshaun Watson and Kyler Murray. McNabb can fuck off. Jim Johnson carried his ass and still didn't win anything.
Some of you don't seem to understand the difference between stats and asterisks.
I don't love Dak but he's put up numbers plain and simple. You can asterisk down his stats and asterisk up Jones stats just because you like Jones.
And the point is even if you do that other people are not going to. Only the diehards here do that and the thing is you can do that all you want and you can complain about his cast.
But Jones has spent more of his career looking bad than good and for some fans and most of the outside world that doesn't sit well with the money he's getting paid. Especially when he looks afraid to throw the ball. That is the last thing you want
RE: RE: I know we hate Mcnabb because he’s an Eagle
But if Jones became even 75% of Mcnabb that would be fantastic
No, this is all wrong.
75% of McNabb? Really? McNabb's issues were always completion % and winning in the playoffs.
If Jones only reached 75% of McNabb, his current completion % would already be above the number...and NO Giant fan is going to accept losing in the playoffs time and time again as the favorite.
Completely different era of football, and taking that quite too literal. How many NFC championship games did Mcnabb make?
The formula Football Reference uses undervalues the post-season in my view, but he's no Aikman. Aikman numbers are low for a HOF inductee, but his post-season success gets him there. Football Reference QB Hall of Fame Monitor - ( New Window )
Against a poorly coached, and a bad defensive team. Sorry, but the Vikings were not contenders. This season is proving that out. Many are saying this season is also proving Jones to be a farce. So face the fucking music and stop the crying. Let's cheer for them to improve and to prove tve critics wrong. Not on the fucking website, in the fucking field where it counts.
And will be shit on when he gets into the Hall of Fame.
Let it play out and ignore the noise.
That being said, Herbert should be 0 and 3 and Burrow could be 0 and 3 with some awful numbers. Herbert’s game winning touchdown should have been intercepted and their coach almost handed the Vikings the game to Cousins—someone who has gotten so much money but lost to DJ in the playoffs.
Tua was a busy but has a great team now with excellent coaching and just put up 70.
There are so many factors going into a team being good.
Here are Herbert’s game by game numbers:
40-47, 405 yards, 3tds, 0 INT
27-41, 305 yards, 2 TDS, 0 INT
23-33, 229 yards, 1 td, 0 INT
The Chargers are averaging 29 ppg, without their best offensive weapon the last two weeks. Herbert should be 0-3? Daniel Jones should also be 0-3, then no? The Chargers two losses are by a combined 5 points.
Good grief some of you need
RE: People can get annoyed all they want about who says what
This is what it boils down to. Either shut them up, or deal with it.
I feel like the same people mock Dak and turn around and are excuse acrobats for DJ and that makes zero sense.
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But it is up to DJ and this team to change the narrative.
This is what it boils down to. Either shut them up, or deal with it.
This x100.
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[quote] If Donovan McNabb is "Never Won the Big One" then what is DJ? Never Won the Small Ones Either? [/quotes
Well Eli did not puke on his 2 Super Bowl winning drives like McNabb did on his losing drive.
People are going to criticize until Jones proves otherwise.
If Donovan McNabb is "Never Won the Big One" then what is DJ? Never Won the Small Ones Either?
Well Eli did not puke on his 2 Super Bowl winning drives like McNabb did on his losing drive.
Cool, who said anything about Eli?
But we can roast McNabb and mock him, and be overly pleased with Daboll and one season of achievement in a dark ages.
Some of you are too sensitive and 'tribal'......goes with making big money.
Does a road playoff game in a hostile environment not count at all?
How about two weeks ago when the Cardinals had the Giants down 28-7 and DJ put the team on his back for the comeback win? Perhaps in light of Arizona’s efforts over the last 3 weeks, maybe they’re not as bad as the talking heads said.
McNabb can say whatever he wants but the Daniel Jones story is still not even half written.
That is indeed the answer.
When Jones is in the prime-time slot, he's 1-11. You can try to nuance around that over and over and over, but it's a miserable result.
Look at Cousins. He's been a very productive regular season QB. But when he's in the prime-time slot, he's been a disaster, too.
That sticks.
Agree that the Giants and Jones control the narrative moving forward and it will be a team effort how it plays out.
Nothing wrong with his opinion but not factoring in the variables around the QB is a bit short sighted imv.
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But it is up to DJ and this team to change the narrative.
That is indeed the answer.
When Jones is in the prime-time slot, he's 1-11. You can try to nuance around that over and over and over, but it's a miserable result.
Look at Cousins. He's been a very productive regular season QB. But when he's in the prime-time slot, he's been a disaster, too.
That sticks.
I think it is the way he plays too, the "gun-shy" nature. People would think higher about an uneven QB making big plays and bad ones than one that is risk averse.
People were quick to dismiss the 49er player comments but what they were saying was an accurate assessment...
Giant fans just as guilty as criticizing a QB without context when it isn't their own.
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If Donovan McNabb is "Never Won the Big One" then what is DJ? Never Won the Small Ones Either?
Does a road playoff game in a hostile environment not count at all?
How about two weeks ago when the Cardinals had the Giants down 28-7 and DJ put the team on his back for the comeback win? Perhaps in light of Arizona’s efforts over the last 3 weeks, maybe they’re not as bad as the talking heads said.
McNabb can say whatever he wants but the Daniel Jones story is still not even half written.
Fair point. Do you want to let Eric know that there's no point in having BBI since we can't fairly discuss players until after their career is complete?
And let's also make sure we apply the same level of consideration to all players, not just the QB.
I'm sure Ximines, for example, will be excited to know that the fanbase has universally decided that his story, like DJ's, is still not even half written.
Instead of complaining about the critics, how about DJ having a top ten type quarterback game against a mediocre defense next Monday night to silence the critics? Perhaps three hundred yards passing, three TDs with his arm and legs, and no interceptions? How about beating a winning team for just the sixth time in his more than four years as our quarterback? How about that?
Or will he simply become 1-12 in prime time games and essentially turn this season into another 2017?
That was the excuse with DJ last year "no weapons"
He looks very good throwing to a group similar to ours last year...
Instead of complaining about the critics, how about DJ having a top ten type quarterback game against a mediocre defense next Monday night to silence the critics? Perhaps three hundred yards passing, three TDs with his arm and legs, and no interceptions? How about beating a winning team for just the sixth time in his more than four years as our quarterback? How about that?
Or will he simply become 1-12 in prime time games and essentially turn this season into another 2017?
Yep - he has to do it all by himself. Let’s hope the other 10 players continue at their high level of playing on offense. To go along with the defense who can’t stop a soul.
Like I said same 4-5 people every thread saying the same thing..
That was the excuse with DJ last year "no weapons"
He looks very good throwing to a group similar to ours last year...
And without his LT
You can't criticize Burrow, Herbert, etc. and then be offended when Jones catches flack. We know the shortcomings around Jones from a team perspective, the rest of the football world isn't excusing it like the BBI fan base.
Shouldn’t Jones have to make a Super Bowl first?
If DJ wins an NFCCG, he can puke in the Super Bowl.
Until then, this stupid attempt to discredit McNabb's POV is childish. Some of you act like it's better to never reach the big game because it means you can't fail there.
DJ is 1-11 in prime time games. But sure, let's attack the critic because he choked spectacularly in a game that's bigger than any game DJ has ever played.
You beat me to it!
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In comment 16220894 Gatorade Dunk said:
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If Donovan McNabb is "Never Won the Big One" then what is DJ? Never Won the Small Ones Either?
Does a road playoff game in a hostile environment not count at all?
How about two weeks ago when the Cardinals had the Giants down 28-7 and DJ put the team on his back for the comeback win? Perhaps in light of Arizona’s efforts over the last 3 weeks, maybe they’re not as bad as the talking heads said.
McNabb can say whatever he wants but the Daniel Jones story is still not even half written.
Fair point. Do you want to let Eric know that there's no point in having BBI since we can't fairly discuss players until after their career is complete?
And let's also make sure we apply the same level of consideration to all players, not just the QB.
I'm sure Ximines, for example, will be excited to know that the fanbase has universally decided that his story, like DJ's, is still not even half written.
So a fair discussion begins with you stating that DJ should be categorized as “Never Having Won the Small Ones”? Hmmm.
And LOL at comparing an overdrafted small school DE project to the starting quarterback. If Ximines’ Giants story is not on its last pages, that would be one hell of a plot twist. To date, his story is a children’s pop up book and little Billy’s eyelids are getting real heavy.
No, this is all wrong.
75% of McNabb? Really? McNabb's issues were always completion % and winning in the playoffs.
If Jones only reached 75% of McNabb, his current completion % would already be above the number...and NO Giant fan is going to accept losing in the playoffs time and time again as the favorite.
I feel like the same people mock Dak and turn around and are excuse acrobats for DJ and that makes zero sense.
Dak has had top receivers to throw to since he has been in the league (Lamb, Dez, Cooper, Witten). And he hasn't looked excellent in the playoffs (vs the same 49ers) and he looked pretty underwhelming yesterday against the same defense Daniel Jones beat a week ago with Josh Ezeudu at LT.
These same shitheads will take the time of day to criticize Jones. But never the other overpaid QBs like Deshaun Watson and Kyler Murray. McNabb can fuck off. Jim Johnson carried his ass and still didn't win anything.
Instead of complaining about the critics, how about DJ having a top ten type quarterback game against a mediocre defense next Monday night to silence the critics? Perhaps three hundred yards passing, three TDs with his arm and legs, and no interceptions? How about beating a winning team for just the sixth time in his more than four years as our quarterback? How about that?
Or will he simply become 1-12 in prime time games and essentially turn this season into another 2017?
The Cards ran for 200 yards yesterday. They ran for 150 against the Giants. Do you see the Giants doing that? Gardner Minshew averaged 5.2 yards per passing attempt yesterday. That’s nearly a half yard below what Zack Wilson has done so far this season. Brock Purdy??? He’s converting long third downs on passes that are behind the line of scrimmage. Stop the nonsense.
Let it play out and ignore the noise.
That being said, Herbert should be 0 and 3 and Burrow could be 0 and 3 with some awful numbers. Herbert’s game winning touchdown should have been intercepted and their coach almost handed the Vikings the game to Cousins—someone who has gotten so much money but lost to DJ in the playoffs.
Tua was a busy but has a great team now with excellent coaching and just put up 70.
There are so many factors going into a team being good.
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but the rest of the world expects a $40M QB to look competitive against contenders.
I feel like the same people mock Dak and turn around and are excuse acrobats for DJ and that makes zero sense.
Dak has had top receivers to throw to since he has been in the league (Lamb, Dez, Cooper, Witten). And he hasn't looked excellent in the playoffs (vs the same 49ers) and he looked pretty underwhelming yesterday against the same defense Daniel Jones beat a week ago with Josh Ezeudu at LT.
These same shitheads will take the time of day to criticize Jones. But never the other overpaid QBs like Deshaun Watson and Kyler Murray. McNabb can fuck off. Jim Johnson carried his ass and still didn't win anything.
Some of you don't seem to understand the difference between stats and asterisks.
I don't love Dak but he's put up numbers plain and simple. You can asterisk down his stats and asterisk up Jones stats just because you like Jones.
And the point is even if you do that other people are not going to. Only the diehards here do that and the thing is you can do that all you want and you can complain about his cast.
But Jones has spent more of his career looking bad than good and for some fans and most of the outside world that doesn't sit well with the money he's getting paid. Especially when he looks afraid to throw the ball. That is the last thing you want
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But if Jones became even 75% of Mcnabb that would be fantastic
No, this is all wrong.
75% of McNabb? Really? McNabb's issues were always completion % and winning in the playoffs.
If Jones only reached 75% of McNabb, his current completion % would already be above the number...and NO Giant fan is going to accept losing in the playoffs time and time again as the favorite.
Completely different era of football, and taking that quite too literal. How many NFC championship games did Mcnabb make?
Football Reference QB Hall of Fame Monitor - ( New Window )
Let it play out and ignore the noise.
That being said, Herbert should be 0 and 3 and Burrow could be 0 and 3 with some awful numbers. Herbert’s game winning touchdown should have been intercepted and their coach almost handed the Vikings the game to Cousins—someone who has gotten so much money but lost to DJ in the playoffs.
Tua was a busy but has a great team now with excellent coaching and just put up 70.
There are so many factors going into a team being good.
Here are Herbert’s game by game numbers:
40-47, 405 yards, 3tds, 0 INT
27-41, 305 yards, 2 TDS, 0 INT
23-33, 229 yards, 1 td, 0 INT
The Chargers are averaging 29 ppg, without their best offensive weapon the last two weeks. Herbert should be 0-3? Daniel Jones should also be 0-3, then no? The Chargers two losses are by a combined 5 points.
Good grief some of you need
He s already done things they said he would never do. Jones will always be judged by his last bad pass, he will never changed the narrative for some
That s the was it is with most false narratives.
The throwing around of stats, without context, the latest, Jones is back to his turnover problems, is prime example