I still can't fathom that the Eagles & Cowboys worked together to secure two of the top players from that draft class while leaving the Giants with nothing. It was well reported that the Giants coveted Devonta Smith, so the Eagles jump them and take what would be by far the best WR on the roster. Cowboys let Micah Parsons come right to them who's the best defensive player in that draft.
So, we all obsess over the draft as fans. Often times fans stress the importance of losses to secure a better pick. This just proves how overrated that can be, the Eagles picked behind NYG and jumped ahead of them.
The Giants come away with Kadarius Toney who is already on another roster. I'm not giving up on Thinodeaux or Neal yet, but both Smith and Parsons have proven to be strong NFL caliber players.
It's frustrating when we hear how far away this roster is, yet they've missed opportunities to bring in elite talent. The 2021 draft is looking like a complete disaster. It's no wonder this team is far away. Add in how much better Philly and Dallas got from that draft, and you have regular dominance of those franchises against NYG.
Frustrating.
4 or 40?
Another miss beside Parsons and Smith
Will we ever fix the OL???
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could think of dozens of draft mistakes over the last 40+ years.
4 or 40?
40+
Another miss beside Parsons and Smith
Will we ever fix the OL???
Slater at 13, AVT at 14 and Darrisaw at 23.
Nope, forced a WR pick.
It's like we got a dark cloud following everything. At least Toney has been a bust for KC outside of the bowl.
Eh, 40 years ago was 1983. The Giants did some fine drafting in the '80s. That 1983 draft, for example, got them Terry Kinard, Leonard Marshall, Karl Nelson, Kevin Belcher (who was very promising before his career was cut short early by a horrific car wreck), Perry Williams, and Andy Headen.
Even in the early '90s, as the team declined and George Young started to misfire routinely in the first round, they still drafted Strahan, Armstead, Hampton, Hamilton, and Sehorn. The drafts didn't really start to suck until GY retired.
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Eh, 40 years ago was 1983. The Giants did some fine drafting in the '80s. That 1983 draft, for example, got them Terry Kinard, Leonard Marshall, Karl Nelson, Kevin Belcher (who was very promising before his career was cut short early by a horrific car wreck), Perry Williams, and Andy Headen.
Even in the early '90s, as the team declined and George Young started to misfire routinely in the first round, they still drafted Strahan, Armstead, Hampton, Hamilton, and Sehorn. The drafts didn't really start to suck until GY retired.
The Fassel drafts were terrible outside of Shockey, Osi and Diehl.
Once Coughlin got here it got much better for a 5-6 year stretch.
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Eh, 40 years ago was 1983. The Giants did some fine drafting in the '80s. That 1983 draft, for example, got them Terry Kinard, Leonard Marshall, Karl Nelson, Kevin Belcher (who was very promising before his career was cut short early by a horrific car wreck), Perry Williams, and Andy Headen.
Even in the early '90s, as the team declined and George Young started to misfire routinely in the first round, they still drafted Strahan, Armstead, Hampton, Hamilton, and Sehorn. The drafts didn't really start to suck until GY retired.
Not to mentioned GY picked up Toomer, Barber, and Hilliard in his last two drafts and basically set up the non-QB skill positions for the next decade.
Jarrod Bunch in 91 though is probably one of the worst picks I've ever seen considering value and the teams' needs the time (aging pass rushers and no WRs).
1993-1997: pretty good, some whiffs but a lot of foundational players
1998-2002: bad, Shockey the only blue chip guy, got a few ok years out of Joe J/Shaun Williams/Cornelius Griffin/Will Allen, not much else
2003-2011: Pretty great, tails off a little bit toward the end but you still have JPP in 2010.
2012-2017: dismal outside of OBJ
2018-2021: mediocre, some hits and value - mostly from 2019 - but plenty of misses and guys who failed here but found success elsewhere.
little did they know diggs was about to break out in his 2nd year the way he did and parsons was a monster at a position he'd never really played.
the eagles made a bold move up for smith because in the immediately prior drafts they made mistakes drafting jalen reagor and jj arcega whiteside while passing on the likes of justin jefferson and dk metcalf. they don't seem haunted. the chiefs dont seem haunted for drafting clyde edwards helaire over tee higgins, michael pittman, jonathan taylor who all went in the next few picks.
the dolphins took noah Igbinoghene in the first that year, they too dont look so haunted now.
the giants got the 7th overall pick in 2022 and the 20th overall pick in 2021 (which turned into waller) for the 11th pick in 2021 (fields, who has all of a sudden turned into a punch line again). as much as missing on parsons sucked that's a trade you do 10/10 times because it is impossible to expect an outcome like parsons at the 11th pick. the cowboys picked him and they didnt expect it or they wouldnt have risked trading down.
the draft involves a good amount of luck for all involved. there is almost always going to a 'parsons' you missed out on somehow. everyone passed on amon-ra st brown and creed humphrey at least once and some twice or more.
little did they know diggs was about to break out in his 2nd year the way he did and parsons was a monster at a position he'd never really played.
the eagles made a bold move up for smith because in the immediately prior drafts they made mistakes drafting jalen reagor and jj arcega whiteside while passing on the likes of justin jefferson and dk metcalf. they don't seem haunted. the chiefs dont seem haunted for drafting clyde edwards helaire over tee higgins, michael pittman, jonathan taylor who all went in the next few picks.
the dolphins took noah Igbinoghene in the first that year, they too dont look so haunted now.
the giants got the 7th overall pick in 2022 and the 20th overall pick in 2021 (which turned into waller) for the 11th pick in 2021 (fields, who has all of a sudden turned into a punch line again). as much as missing on parsons sucked that's a trade you do 10/10 times because it is impossible to expect an outcome like parsons at the 11th pick. the cowboys picked him and they didnt expect it or they wouldnt have risked trading down.
the draft involves a good amount of luck for all involved. there is almost always going to a 'parsons' you missed out on somehow. everyone passed on amon-ra st brown and creed humphrey at least once and some twice or more.
All true. Great post.
But if you really didn't have a plan for the 20th pick - you have to stand pat and take Parsons there or even AVT or somebody else, hell even Darrisaw. Pretty much anyone would have been better than Toney.
That 11th overall pick gave the Giants three swings at a premium player. In each swing they could have had Parsons or Slater. If not then Paye or Darrisaw, and Cross or Olave.
To me it's not the clairvoyance to pick Parsons, it's how many good players were there at each juncture. These weren't scenarios where there were no good options.
The Eagles and Cowboys always take "chances" and they seem to always work out. Look at Jalen Carter. It is obvious that he's already one of the best interior DL in the entire league. And although that situation was pretty bad, it was somewhat obvious at the time that he wasn't this terrible criminal and that it was a really bad decision.
I know the Giants have "class" and all that but man, sooner or later you have to just take one of these guys. The Tunsil thing was also brutal.
People bitch and moan about Neal and the young guys but the fact is players take time and snaps to develop. Some more than others. Complain all you want but it takes 9 months to make a baby. You can't pay 9 woman to make one in a month. Sometimes guys will surprise early like Sauce Gardner (or Deonte Banks). Those are exceptions.
Look at the OL and CBs. The Giants could have returned the same guys. With the OL, a group that managed one of the league's best rushing attacks and an average passing attack with no skill players outside Barkley. But they decided the existing roster talent plus a draftee was a better option. With an asterisk for Hassnauer.
Same at CB.
The only significant negative that's surprised me (personnel wise) so far is Glowinski -- who was supposed to be proven -- imploding (and for those who love PFF he had a slightly above average grade last year).
For everyone who is still very upset about Parsons, would you like him on the Giants??? With Judge and DG in place? Because they might still be here if we drafted Parsons. I will take things as they turned out.
Give the newer players 3 years. It takes that long. You never know. Things change quickly and dramatically in the NFL.
The Giants won two Superbowls in the period. They didn't win the other eight. The Redskins won two of those eight. And another in '92.
Dallas having Parsons does not make them unbeatable, as Phoenix has just shown.
We miss on draft picks and free agents
And overpay our own mediocre players.
We wont right the ship until we are better at evaluating talent.
For everyone who is still very upset about Parsons, would you like him on the Giants??? With Judge and DG in place? Because they might still be here if we drafted Parsons. I will take things as they turned out.
Give the newer players 3 years. It takes that long. You never know. Things change quickly and dramatically in the NFL.
This narrative persists despite the fact that it is simply not true. I said it prior that draft, but even I knew he probably was off the board because of some bs hazing incidents. The Giants need to question what scenarios are mistakes by a young player that are not predictive of future problems, and what kind of mistakes are more indicative of a longer-term character issue.
We had the same discussion with regard to Tunsil. Parsons was a rare, elite talent, you simply don't find guys at his size that can run 4.3. Even the pass rush ability was talked about, that he had the raw talent to be elite there. The fact is, he is such a unicorn he'd probably be able to be a good corner if you wanted him to do that. He was simply the type of player that can do almost anything defensively, and it was talked about on this board at the time.
I pounded the table for him early in the draft season, but switched to talking about other players as it got closer to the draft when it was more clear that the Giants wouldn't touch him.
The fact that he's reached his ceiling (very quickly) does not excuse that the traits he held were extremely rare and obvious.
Evan Neal would probably be road-grading the piss out of people if he ended up in DAL, like all their OL do.
Any OL that comes here immediately plays like shit. Zeitler was good before he got here, regressed with the Giants, then started playing good again for the Ravens. It's an epidemic.
Flott looking like a huge whiff, as well as the 2 guys picked top 7. Wan’Dale I actually like, but hasn’t stayed healthy and has a skillset that can typically be found much later in the draft. Belton can’t crack the starting lineup (over a waiver claim nonetheless). Ezeudu couldn’t win a starting G spot on one of NFL’s worst units.
I guess Davidson, McKethan, McFadden are okay depth guys - which is a decent return on 5th and 6th rounders (assuming they can stick)
Wait. Lb are not impact players. Schoen is here now. Gotta give him a few years but between Reese/Ross/and Gettleman the inability to draft functional players for a decade was inexcusable.
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But Parsons is going to haunt them for a long, long time. Inexcusable miss.
Wait. Lb are not impact players. Schoen is here now. Gotta give him a few years but between Reese/Ross/and Gettleman the inability to draft functional players for a decade was inexcusable.
Especially since we nominally use a 3-4 defense where the linebackers have to be playmakers.
little did they know diggs was about to break out in his 2nd year the way he did and parsons was a monster at a position he'd never really played.
the eagles made a bold move up for smith because in the immediately prior drafts they made mistakes drafting jalen reagor and jj arcega whiteside while passing on the likes of justin jefferson and dk metcalf. they don't seem haunted. the chiefs dont seem haunted for drafting clyde edwards helaire over tee higgins, michael pittman, jonathan taylor who all went in the next few picks.
the dolphins took noah Igbinoghene in the first that year, they too dont look so haunted now.
the giants got the 7th overall pick in 2022 and the 20th overall pick in 2021 (which turned into waller) for the 11th pick in 2021 (fields, who has all of a sudden turned into a punch line again). as much as missing on parsons sucked that's a trade you do 10/10 times because it is impossible to expect an outcome like parsons at the 11th pick. the cowboys picked him and they didnt expect it or they wouldnt have risked trading down.
the draft involves a good amount of luck for all involved. there is almost always going to a 'parsons' you missed out on somehow. everyone passed on amon-ra st brown and creed humphrey at least once and some twice or more.
We'll try and come up with a more interesting topic for your entertainment.
little did they know diggs was about to break out in his 2nd year the way he did and parsons was a monster at a position he'd never really played.
the eagles made a bold move up for smith because in the immediately prior drafts they made mistakes drafting jalen reagor and jj arcega whiteside while passing on the likes of justin jefferson and dk metcalf. they don't seem haunted. the chiefs dont seem haunted for drafting clyde edwards helaire over tee higgins, michael pittman, jonathan taylor who all went in the next few picks.
the dolphins took noah Igbinoghene in the first that year, they too dont look so haunted now.
the giants got the 7th overall pick in 2022 and the 20th overall pick in 2021 (which turned into waller) for the 11th pick in 2021 (fields, who has all of a sudden turned into a punch line again). as much as missing on parsons sucked that's a trade you do 10/10 times because it is impossible to expect an outcome like parsons at the 11th pick. the cowboys picked him and they didnt expect it or they wouldnt have risked trading down.
the draft involves a good amount of luck for all involved. there is almost always going to a 'parsons' you missed out on somehow. everyone passed on amon-ra st brown and creed humphrey at least once and some twice or more.
Great post and completely fucking agree. Add in the fact, that 9 other NFL teams passed on Parsons and had their concerns too about his character. If everyone had a crystal, then Parsons would have been the 1st or 2nd pick.
Great post and completely fucking agree. Add in the fact, that 9 other NFL teams passed on Parsons and had their concerns too about his character. If everyone had a crystal, then Parsons would have been the 1st or 2nd pick.
I completely understand why the Giants passed on Parsons against the backdrop of what just happened with Baker.
What's worth keeping an eye on is whether with the alternative options, if the Giants made good decisions. That pick ultimately represented three opportunities to make a first round selection.
The Giants ultimately netted Waller, Neal, Robinson, and Bellinger.
I think it remains to be seen if the Giants did well given the opportunities.