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Brian Daboll says Josh Ezeudu essentially is a backup at 4 of the 5 offensive line spots, both tackles and both guards #giants
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Brian Daboll says Josh Ezeudu essentially is a backup at 4 of the 5 offensive line spots, both tackles and both guards #giants
So basically Glowinski has gone from starter to third stringer
to get some consistency in this group now that they are in game 4 of the regular season.
The most interesting part of the development is IF Neal downright sucks like he did in the Cowboys game - does Ezeudu replace him in-game AND if he plays well...what happens next.
Wow Daboll actually sharing some info with the media.
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Brian Daboll says Josh Ezeudu essentially is a backup at 4 of the 5 offensive line spots, both tackles and both guards #giants
So basically Glowinski has gone from starter to third stringer
I have a funny feeling Glowinski was a Bobby Johnson guy and Daboll was never 100% on board with him starting this season.
develop as a unit. This constant (injuries have been a factor) changing of the guards is frustrating to watch and must be difficult for JMS and Neal to settle in and trust the guy(s) next to them.
Glad to see Glowinski sitting, though. He's cooked.
RE: They are young. It would be great if they can get some continuity and
#NYGiants Daboll - "mckethan will stay as starting RG...done a good job, improving, big, moves well."
Sy's review "McKethan struggled even more. He was charged with 4 pressures and a sack in addition to a holding penalty. His size and length appear to be weapons that can win a lot of battles, but it is a complete hit or miss due to a lower half that does not have enough shiftiness to it."
At odds with each other?
Welp, that's probably the best lineup we've got at the current time. They must think Bredeson is just plain better than Ezeudu at guard which is probably true at the current time.
Seems like Ezeudu would have earned more playing time.
I don't know how to make sense of this, but I'm not an Oline coach.
Simple answer is Glowinski is only here because he is owed $8 mill this year.
Bredesen was always the LG. Ezeudu is too valuable, at the moment, as backup for all non-center positions. It may also be a partial hedge against AT's hammy condition.
McKethan is the developmental RG and is being looked to, at the moment, for the future. Sy's eval is correct, but McKethan will not improve unless he plays a lot since there is no real live practice in season. Markus is a huge man, lined up next to another huge man. Jones, may lose his life, but you cannot develop a line unless they get to play.
#NYGiants Daboll - "mckethan will stay as starting RG...done a good job, improving, big, moves well."
Sy's review "McKethan struggled even more. He was charged with 4 pressures and a sack in addition to a holding penalty. His size and length appear to be weapons that can win a lot of battles, but it is a complete hit or miss due to a lower half that does not have enough shiftiness to it."
At odds with each other?
Daboll's job is to say positive things to back up personnel moves. They've made the decision to go with the younger guy; doesn't mean he has performed all that well.
And Sy's comment about lack of shiftiness is one reason that "length", past a certain point, is not a positive. Higher center of gravity translates to less agility, generally speaking, and is also not an advantage when low man wins.
Eight of nine Pro Bowl guards last year were no taller than 6'5" even. All four All Pros were under 6'5".
At 6'6 1/2, McKethan's length is not, in itself, a plus for the position.
#NYGiants Daboll - "mckethan will stay as starting RG...done a good job, improving, big, moves well."
Sy's review "McKethan struggled even more. He was charged with 4 pressures and a sack in addition to a holding penalty. His size and length appear to be weapons that can win a lot of battles, but it is a complete hit or miss due to a lower half that does not have enough shiftiness to it."
At odds with each other?
Sy is not the only analyst that has this opinion on McKethan.
Lost all of last season, and did not have an off season this year, since he was recovering from knee surgery. I would strongly suggest you give him more time. Sometimes it takes a little time to develop. I want Ezeudu at right tackle and Neal at right guard. But they are going to due on that hill. Fuck them then. Bill Walsh said it best, there are no geniuses in football. Truest words spoken by a head coach who was called a genius back then for developing the West Coast offense for Joe Montana.
Lost all of last season, and did not have an off season this year, since he was recovering from knee surgery. I would strongly suggest you give him more time. Sometimes it takes a little time to develop. I want Ezeudu at right tackle and Neal at right guard. But they are going to due on that hill. Fuck them then. Bill Walsh said it best, there are no geniuses in football. Truest words spoken by a head coach who was called a genius back then for developing the West Coast offense for Joe Montana.
After he was hired, asked about his reputation an offensive genius, Fassel said we're a bunch of PE majors coaching PE majors - no geniuses in football. I guess it's a Walshism.
#NYGiants Daboll - "mckethan will stay as starting RG...done a good job, improving, big, moves well."
Sy's review "McKethan struggled even more. He was charged with 4 pressures and a sack in addition to a holding penalty. His size and length appear to be weapons that can win a lot of battles, but it is a complete hit or miss due to a lower half that does not have enough shiftiness to it."
At odds with each other?
Daboll's job is to support his players. He's not going to stand up there and say "McKethan sucked too, but he's better than the other shit options we have"
Had time to show improvement. He has shown none to very little. He is clumsy, plain and simple. A big clumsy fuck without a mean streak. He has the size to be a mean fuck, but it's not him. At some point you have to see who you are and live on your strengths, and try not to let your weaknesses undue the good you do with your strengths. This guy is all over the fucking place. It's not a pretty sight, and he is hurting the team. Something this coach and GM said would not happen. They are now full of shit.
Had time to show improvement. He has shown none to very little. He is clumsy, plain and simple. A big clumsy fuck without a mean streak. He has the size to be a mean fuck, but it's not him. At some point you have to see who you are and live on your strengths, and try not to let your weaknesses undue the good you do with your strengths. This guy is all over the fucking place. It's not a pretty sight, and he is hurting the team. Something this coach and GM said would not happen. They are now full of shit.
Yeah, that is your opinion and you may die on that hill yourself.
Neal will be given time(since preseason is an effing joke). The only way to get better is to play - there are not any in season live sessions.
Will he improve? WTF knows. Will McKethan improve? WTF knows.
Neal has also had a revolving door of revolving doors
to get some consistency in this group now that they are in game 4 of the regular season.
The most interesting part of the development is IF Neal downright sucks like he did in the Cowboys game - does Ezeudu replace him in-game AND if he plays well...what happens next.
They are giving Neal the longest of leashes. If he wasn't a lottery pick do you think he'd still be starting?
I'd bench his turnstile ass and try Ezeudu.
RE: Neal has also had a revolving door of revolving doors
to get some consistency in this group now that they are in game 4 of the regular season.
The most interesting part of the development is IF Neal downright sucks like he did in the Cowboys game - does Ezeudu replace him in-game AND if he plays well...what happens next.
They are giving Neal the longest of leashes. If he wasn't a lottery pick do you think he'd still be starting?
I'd bench his turnstile ass and try Ezeudu.
OK, bw, you're on record
I'm on record that Neal will develop into a solid starter at RT by the end of this season and a plus starter by next season
If they spoke with Neal as well about who he’s felt most comfortable with so far. They desperately need Neal to develop and starting next to a guard he trusts and feels comfortable with can only help
Daboll's job is to support his players. He's not going to stand up there and say "McKethan sucked too, but he's better than the other shit options we have"
Either way, thats how I interpreted it
RE: Based upon 'Sy 's review I'm surprised by the McKethan promotion.
Seems like Ezeudu would have earned more playing time.
I don't know how to make sense of this, but I'm not an Oline coach.
Ezeudu's play at OG didn't earn more time there than McKethan. He did do a nice job filling in at LT, though. At this point in time, these moves make sense.
Very good. But at least his size makes it hard for guys to run right through him like we’ve seen with Glowinski and Lemieux.
Also, I know we were way down on Will Hernandez - but he’s quietly played very well at RG for Arizona since signing there. Probably should’ve kept him around, at a fraction of the cost for Glowinski.
RE: RE: Neal has also had a revolving door of revolving doors
to get some consistency in this group now that they are in game 4 of the regular season.
The most interesting part of the development is IF Neal downright sucks like he did in the Cowboys game - does Ezeudu replace him in-game AND if he plays well...what happens next.
They are giving Neal the longest of leashes. If he wasn't a lottery pick do you think he'd still be starting?
I'd bench his turnstile ass and try Ezeudu.
I think Neal's leash will be a little longer, along with McKethan, to see what they do together as a right side. In a fe weeks, though, if we are still talking about Neal struggling, Ezeudu might be up.
If they did (more likely next year) move Neal inside, could he play LG? I think McKethan sticks at RG. Neal at LG and Ezeudu at RT could be an interesting option next year.
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Brian Daboll says LG Ben Bredeson (concussion) is good to go
Says the O-line if LT Andrew Thomas (hamstring) and Bredeson are back against Seattle would be, left to right:
Thomas- Bredeson- John Michael Schmitz- Marcus McKethan- Evan Neal
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Brian Daboll says Josh Ezeudu essentially is a backup at 4 of the 5 offensive line spots, both tackles and both guards #giants
So basically Glowinski has gone from starter to third stringer
The most interesting part of the development is IF Neal downright sucks like he did in the Cowboys game - does Ezeudu replace him in-game AND if he plays well...what happens next.
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Brian Daboll says Josh Ezeudu essentially is a backup at 4 of the 5 offensive line spots, both tackles and both guards #giants
So basically Glowinski has gone from starter to third stringer
I have a funny feeling Glowinski was a Bobby Johnson guy and Daboll was never 100% on board with him starting this season.
Glad to see Glowinski sitting, though. He's cooked.
I thing that is the plan. They will take their lumps now, but by year end hopefully adequate, and maybe if lucky a real good line for years to come.
Sy's review "McKethan struggled even more. He was charged with 4 pressures and a sack in addition to a holding penalty. His size and length appear to be weapons that can win a lot of battles, but it is a complete hit or miss due to a lower half that does not have enough shiftiness to it."
At odds with each other?
Same, he was a relatively important signing for Schoen.
I don't know how to make sense of this, but I'm not an Oline coach.
Not arguing, but I thought that Glowinski was pretty bad last year too. Maybe I am having selective memory.
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I never thought he was a long term piece, or better than average, but I didn't expect him to completely fall off a cliff this year.
Same, he was a relatively important signing for Schoen.
There weren’t a lot of options given how little he had to spend but certainly very disappointing.
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I never thought he was a long term piece, or better than average, but I didn't expect him to completely fall off a cliff this year.
Not arguing, but I thought that Glowinski was pretty bad last year too. Maybe I am having selective memory.
I agree. People were riding Feliciano last year (rightfully), but I thought Glowinski was as bad.
I don't know how to make sense of this, but I'm not an Oline coach.
Simple answer is Glowinski is only here because he is owed $8 mill this year.
Bredesen was always the LG. Ezeudu is too valuable, at the moment, as backup for all non-center positions. It may also be a partial hedge against AT's hammy condition.
McKethan is the developmental RG and is being looked to, at the moment, for the future. Sy's eval is correct, but McKethan will not improve unless he plays a lot since there is no real live practice in season. Markus is a huge man, lined up next to another huge man. Jones, may lose his life, but you cannot develop a line unless they get to play.
IMHO
Sy's review "McKethan struggled even more. He was charged with 4 pressures and a sack in addition to a holding penalty. His size and length appear to be weapons that can win a lot of battles, but it is a complete hit or miss due to a lower half that does not have enough shiftiness to it."
At odds with each other?
Daboll's job is to say positive things to back up personnel moves. They've made the decision to go with the younger guy; doesn't mean he has performed all that well.
And Sy's comment about lack of shiftiness is one reason that "length", past a certain point, is not a positive. Higher center of gravity translates to less agility, generally speaking, and is also not an advantage when low man wins.
Eight of nine Pro Bowl guards last year were no taller than 6'5" even. All four All Pros were under 6'5".
At 6'6 1/2, McKethan's length is not, in itself, a plus for the position.
Hopefully McKethan improves, because several OL analysts have indictated that he has not looked great so far.
Sy's review "McKethan struggled even more. He was charged with 4 pressures and a sack in addition to a holding penalty. His size and length appear to be weapons that can win a lot of battles, but it is a complete hit or miss due to a lower half that does not have enough shiftiness to it."
At odds with each other?
Sy is not the only analyst that has this opinion on McKethan.
And most importantly, now it's time for them to play together and gel.
After he was hired, asked about his reputation an offensive genius, Fassel said we're a bunch of PE majors coaching PE majors - no geniuses in football. I guess it's a Walshism.
Sy's review "McKethan struggled even more. He was charged with 4 pressures and a sack in addition to a holding penalty. His size and length appear to be weapons that can win a lot of battles, but it is a complete hit or miss due to a lower half that does not have enough shiftiness to it."
At odds with each other?
Daboll's job is to support his players. He's not going to stand up there and say "McKethan sucked too, but he's better than the other shit options we have"
But maybe that don't want to keep juggling the line up.
I think McKethan has potential. This is essentially his rookie year. Him and Neal give you a big right side of the line.
Maybe Dabol plans on running the ball more. Bredesen is a good run blocker.
Yeah, that is your opinion and you may die on that hill yourself.
Neal will be given time(since preseason is an effing joke). The only way to get better is to play - there are not any in season live sessions.
Will he improve? WTF knows. Will McKethan improve? WTF knows.
The most interesting part of the development is IF Neal downright sucks like he did in the Cowboys game - does Ezeudu replace him in-game AND if he plays well...what happens next.
They are giving Neal the longest of leashes. If he wasn't a lottery pick do you think he'd still be starting?
I'd bench his turnstile ass and try Ezeudu.
That's the main reason I expected Bredeson to be RT but this makes a lot of sense for the following reasons:
1- It allows Neal and McKethan to build a relationship that will hopefully last years
2-Allows McKethan to play the only position he may be a starter at long-term
3-Allows Ezeudu to continue to work at and improve as primary LT back-up
This is the best and most hopeful long-term OL
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to get some consistency in this group now that they are in game 4 of the regular season.
The most interesting part of the development is IF Neal downright sucks like he did in the Cowboys game - does Ezeudu replace him in-game AND if he plays well...what happens next.
They are giving Neal the longest of leashes. If he wasn't a lottery pick do you think he'd still be starting?
I'd bench his turnstile ass and try Ezeudu.
OK, bw, you're on record
I'm on record that Neal will develop into a solid starter at RT by the end of this season and a plus starter by next season
Daboll's job is to support his players. He's not going to stand up there and say "McKethan sucked too, but he's better than the other shit options we have"
Either way, thats how I interpreted it
I don't know how to make sense of this, but I'm not an Oline coach.
Also, I know we were way down on Will Hernandez - but he’s quietly played very well at RG for Arizona since signing there. Probably should’ve kept him around, at a fraction of the cost for Glowinski.
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to his left pretty much his entire time here. I'm no OL coach, but I imagine that it's pretty important for the RT to be able to trust his RG
That's the main reason I expected Bredeson to be RT but this makes a lot of sense for the following reasons:
1- It allows Neal and McKethan to build a relationship that will hopefully last years
2-Allows McKethan to play the only position he may be a starter at long-term
3-Allows Ezeudu to continue to work at and improve as primary LT back-up
This is the best and most hopeful long-term OL
Lineman prefer pounding someone and moving forward.
At a minimum the D cheats down low, then you throw a deep ball.
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to get some consistency in this group now that they are in game 4 of the regular season.
The most interesting part of the development is IF Neal downright sucks like he did in the Cowboys game - does Ezeudu replace him in-game AND if he plays well...what happens next.
They are giving Neal the longest of leashes. If he wasn't a lottery pick do you think he'd still be starting?
I'd bench his turnstile ass and try Ezeudu.
If they did (more likely next year) move Neal inside, could he play LG? I think McKethan sticks at RG. Neal at LG and Ezeudu at RT could be an interesting option next year.