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Is Xavier McKinney not being used correctly?

Angel Eyes : 9/27/2023 6:32 am
So I was looking at the All-22 of the 49ers game for the defense via Big Blue Banter and something that came up in discussion (approx. 32 or 33 minutes in) was that Xavier McKinney isn't being used to the best of his ability. He seemed to have his best work as a free safety under Graham where he could high-point the ball and make an interception on the back level, while under Wink, he's been playing strong safety closer to the line of scrimmage where he has to sift through traffic and guess which direction the ball carrier's going to go.

Would it be better for the defense if he was a single-high safety who could cover the back end and move someone like Dane Belton in who can cover the flats?
All-22 DEF Film Review: Leonard Williams responds, is McKinney’s usage maximizing his skill set? - ( New Window )
He should just focus on tackling...  
DefenseWins : 9/27/2023 6:35 am : link
...
I think a lot of these  
Bleedblue10 : 9/27/2023 6:54 am : link
Players are being asked to do stuff they aren’t particularly good at or comfortable with. Kind of has a “read and react” feel to it(iykyk). Maybe it’s time that Wink dumbs it down
McKinney is being used  
section125 : 9/27/2023 7:04 am : link
just fine. He is a big guy with good tackling most games. Tough, hard nosed player. He had a bad night, like most everyone else on defense.
Both Giants safeties play almost the same position.
Getting trucked at the goal line  
RobCrossRiver56 : 9/27/2023 7:15 am : link
by the QB has nothing to do with being used correctly.
Instead of asking if they are being used correctly  
Shecky : 9/27/2023 7:40 am : link
We should be asking, are they the right fit for the system?
And if not, is it the system or the player?
He's a Safety.  
mittenedman : 9/27/2023 7:45 am : link
How do you want him to be used?

He's in the box some, he's deep some. They are run blitzing Pinnock a lot, so McK's getting plenty of reps deep, too.

He's just not a very good football player. Kind of average for an NFL S. Personally, I never understood the push he was getting as one of the best in the league.

He's made a couple really good plays in his career, aside from that it's kind of ordinary. This is not a special player, IMO.
RE: McKinney is being used  
Sec_149 : 9/27/2023 7:50 am : link
In comment 16222704 section125 said:
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just fine. He is a big guy with good tackling most games. Tough, hard nosed player. He had a bad night, like most everyone else on defense.
Both Giants safeties play almost the same position.


More like a bad season. I have seen nothing in the 3 games that make me think they will even entertain signing him to the money he wants.
A lot of people talk about him as if he was an all pro. He is in his fourth year, and really had one good year.
He was very good his rookie year.....  
Simms11 : 9/27/2023 8:00 am : link
The sky appeared to be the limit and was pretty decent last year with his safety mate Love. After the accident, which coincidentally crushed his hand, he hasn't been the same player. Don't know if he's favoring the hand still? But he certainly looks like he's shying away from tackling. It's not that he's in a bad position as he's usually there, however his tackling has been piss poor. The safeties need to start getting some turnovers too. It appears like he's trying to do too much and trying to strip the ball instead of just wrapping up and tackling.
He’s a versatile safety that should be able to do  
gersh : 9/27/2023 8:01 am : link
Everything that is being asked of him.

IMO his hand is hurting his play substantially - physically and probably mentally as well. I’m not sure he will ever be the same player. Hopefully he’s still healing?

At least the Giants didn’t pay him yet. I feel bad for the kid, he’s likely lost millions. And not just a few.
RE: He was very good his rookie year.....  
mittenedman : 9/27/2023 8:13 am : link
In comment 16222719 Simms11 said:
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The sky appeared to be the limit and was pretty decent last year with his safety mate Love. After the accident, which coincidentally crushed his hand, he hasn't been the same player. Don't know if he's favoring the hand still? But he certainly looks like he's shying away from tackling. It's not that he's in a bad position as he's usually there, however his tackling has been piss poor. The safeties need to start getting some turnovers too. It appears like he's trying to do too much and trying to strip the ball instead of just wrapping up and tackling.


His rookie year? He missed almost all of it with a broken foot. Are you talking about year 2? My recollection was he looked OK year 2 - promising, still very young - enough there to hope he'd ascend into a great player - but he's never really taken that next step. IMO.

Still remember that odd tweet before the season about being disrespected too. Something never sits well when a self-proclaimed leader like McKinney is "leading" a unit that is playing like shit and giving poor effort.
Here's an article from BBV that  
Simms11 : 9/27/2023 8:17 am : link
explores his decline. Seems like scheme might have something to do with it.
Link - ( New Window )
RE: RE: He was very good his rookie year.....  
Simms11 : 9/27/2023 8:22 am : link
In comment 16222725 mittenedman said:
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In comment 16222719 Simms11 said:


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The sky appeared to be the limit and was pretty decent last year with his safety mate Love. After the accident, which coincidentally crushed his hand, he hasn't been the same player. Don't know if he's favoring the hand still? But he certainly looks like he's shying away from tackling. It's not that he's in a bad position as he's usually there, however his tackling has been piss poor. The safeties need to start getting some turnovers too. It appears like he's trying to do too much and trying to strip the ball instead of just wrapping up and tackling.



His rookie year? He missed almost all of it with a broken foot. Are you talking about year 2? My recollection was he looked OK year 2 - promising, still very young - enough there to hope he'd ascend into a great player - but he's never really taken that next step. IMO.

Still remember that odd tweet before the season about being disrespected too. Something never sits well when a self-proclaimed leader like McKinney is "leading" a unit that is playing like shit and giving poor effort.


Yea, sorry, his second year
RE: McKinney is being used  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 9/27/2023 8:49 am : link
In comment 16222704 section125 said:
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just fine. He is a big guy with good tackling most games. Tough, hard nosed player. He had a bad night, like most everyone else on defense.
Both Giants safeties play almost the same position.
He has been bad this season, not just last Thursday.
He's just not as good  
David B. : 9/27/2023 8:59 am : link
as people think he is. At least yet.

IMO, at his best (so far) he looks like a solid starter -- which occasionally makes him stand out on a team that doesn't have many solid starters.

I don't see prowbowl. Not yet.
Seems to me  
kelly : 9/27/2023 9:12 am : link
it is best to play players where they play best.

But in a position less defense they are asked to play any where and not necessarily where they play best.

I am beginning to wonder if Wink has become too infatuated with the concept of the position less defense to the detriment of the defense.
Here’s a nice article about McKinney and usage:  
Modzelewski : 9/27/2023 9:22 am : link
.
BBV “Vanishing act: Why has McKinney disappeared?” - ( New Window )
Apologies  
Modzelewski : 9/27/2023 9:24 am : link
I see Sims11 already posted this. I missed it.
RE: RE: McKinney is being used  
section125 : 9/27/2023 9:25 am : link
In comment 16222746 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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In comment 16222704 section125 said:


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just fine. He is a big guy with good tackling most games. Tough, hard nosed player. He had a bad night, like most everyone else on defense.
Both Giants safeties play almost the same position.

He has been bad this season, not just last Thursday.


Meh, can't agree. Thursday was bad.
He's got two problems he's responsible for  
JonC : 9/27/2023 9:32 am : link
the hand and his tackling.
RE: Here’s a nice article about McKinney and usage:  
HBart : 9/27/2023 9:47 am : link
In comment 16222772 Modzelewski said:
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. BBV “Vanishing act: Why has McKinney disappeared?” - ( New Window )

It's a ludicrous article. "From 2020-22, McKinney posted rates of 4.2%, 9.3%, and 8.7%. In 2023, though, his rate is a whopping 14.3%". So in other words, his missed tackle rate dropped under Wink last season (really stayed the same because of the ludicrous false precision of these numbers).

McKinney has 4 missed tackles this season. 2 against SFO. A single missed tackle skews the results. A single bad game would screw a whole season's results.

Lets cherry pick another stat from his 12 quarters of 2023 play McKinney has 18 total tackles. Last season he had 45 total. He's on a record pace!

BTW there's a whole debate on whether lots of tackles for a safety is a feature or a bug.

He's got to focus on securing tackles first  
JonC : 9/27/2023 9:51 am : link
going after the ball second, especially near the goaline and when there's no other defenders nearing the play to bring support. Doesn't matter if it's two times or twenty, bring the fundamentals.
So you guys are basically saying  
Dave on the UWS : 9/27/2023 10:07 am : link
we blew another high draft pick- just great!
I re-read the comments by Gettleman, Judge and Sy’56 when McKinney  
Ivan15 : 9/27/2023 10:25 am : link
Was drafted. All his skills and his weaknesses (including inconsistent tackling) were there. There was a lot of excitement about his ability to play any role in the defensive backfield.

So in his first and second year, he played mostly deep safety and showed a lot of promise. When Wink arrived, he decided to more fully use McKinney’s skills at other positions. That could be a great idea but you better have a good player in the role that McKinney isn’t filling on any particular play. Last season, Love could take most of the snaps at deep safety that McKinney had taken in 2021. This season, the deep safety role isn’t Pinnock’s strength and he isn’t playing that role as well as Love did.

Two possible solutions: Switch McKinney with Pinnock OR find someone like McCloud, Belton or McCain who can play the deep safety role better than Pinnock.
X was hailed as a 2-way safety coming out  
Section331 : 9/27/2023 10:36 am : link
of Bama, so playing in the box isn’t alien to him. Pinnock is the best option playing next to him, and he is best suited as a FS. Besides, Wink wants his safeties to be interchangeable. X has to do a better job locking guys up, no matter where he is playing.
What am I missing?  
BigBlueShock : 9/27/2023 10:39 am : link
A bunch of you in this thread are clamoring for McKinney to go back to playing “deep safety”? Why? Teams aren’t throwing the ball deep against the Giants. The reason he’s seemingly playing closer to the LOS is because of Winks defensive system. Teams are running the ball and getting the ball out of the QBs hands quickly because they know the pressure is coming from extra blitzers. Having McKinney hang out 20 yards downfield is useless with the way teams are game planning for this defense.

The issues are fundamentals, not the way they are using McKinney
Block and Tackle  
Rick in Dallas : 9/27/2023 11:01 am : link
It really is a simple game
Those 2 fundamentals have never changed
Right now at this moment we are not doing a good job at football fundamentals
RE: What am I missing?  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/27/2023 12:26 pm : link
In comment 16222845 BigBlueShock said:
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A bunch of you in this thread are clamoring for McKinney to go back to playing “deep safety”? Why? Teams aren’t throwing the ball deep against the Giants. The reason he’s seemingly playing closer to the LOS is because of Winks defensive system. Teams are running the ball and getting the ball out of the QBs hands quickly because they know the pressure is coming from extra blitzers. Having McKinney hang out 20 yards downfield is useless with the way teams are game planning for this defense.

The issues are fundamentals, not the way they are using McKinney


I would argue the reason teams get the ball out fast and run against us isn't just to avoid pressure, but simply because we haven't shown we can stop it. I believe purdy only threw one pass over 20 air yards. I could be mistaken. Screens and runs seem to be kryptonite to our D
Tough, smart, dependable  
gary_from_chester : 9/27/2023 12:46 pm : link
Tough - maybe

Smart - smashes hand during season with risky activity; Nope, not smart

Dependable - missed tackles, missed games; I’m calling this a Nope

Goodbye X, no second contract for you. Wasted potential.
When Giant players don’t play well and get outperformed then  
ThomasG : 9/27/2023 1:19 pm : link
fans like to turn to that they aren’t being used correctly.

Xavier needs to start tackling better and hitting hard. Blow up players and cause some turnovers. He is one of several “stars” on Defense that isn’t doing this. That is the problem.
The whole defense not being  
prdave73 : 9/27/2023 4:48 pm : link
Used correctly! The Giants defense is bad right now, bad. Completely regressed somehow?! Imo, I don’t think Wink is the answer.
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