Teams love to play us because they think they can walk all over us. Why?
A wise man once said, "I gotta tell you something, Cunningham. I left out one very small detail. You got no reputation for toughness. Once in your life, you had to have hit somebody."
-Arthur Fonzarelli
That's it in a nutshell. We're not tough. It's about friggin time we go all Henry Hill on some team and punch somebody in the face. That's the only way to get respect in the NFL.
Until we do that we're gonna be sittin up on the porch watching while the big dogs are playing in the yard.
Arrrrrhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and by anyone you can include me in that
exactly. Like Mike Tyson once said, "they all have a plan until they get hit"
Who on the o line is our enforcer? Gates was but now gone. I would like to see Neal step up and clobber someone.
What linebacker or safety is our big hitter?
Maybe Jones could get in someones face, i mean can we show some life.
Enough sleep walking through the first quarter.
Where is the fire in the belly? Where is the gang tackling? Where are the o line pushing people forward?
Other teams knew they were going to win but they would be black and blue after the game.
Giant coaches need to start talking up tough and start sitting soft players. Dont want to lay someone out? Get off the field.
Not if he’s on the 49ers.
It's the one thing that concerns me about Daboll/Kafka. Are they going to become a pass happy, finesse offense? Or will they be balanced and physical?
Parsons' issue before the draft involved a hazing situation. Was it good? No. But he had no criminal history. No rep as a problem in the locker room or with coaches. No onfield issues. But the Giants didn't want a guy whose character didn't fit their model. You can certainly make the case that Toney's red flags were much more of a concern than Parson's. Remember, the Giants like to brag about taking team captains who are great role models.
Consider this. If LT was in the next draft and we knew just a fraction of what we know now about LT, he would be off their board (or now, off their flat screen).
Agreed JC. It's baffling though... we played with so much more toughness last season, well except against the Eagles.
I'm guessing the lack of preseason in game work is having an adverse effect... but at this point I almost wonder is it lack of confidence? In the scheme? They just seemed to be playing slower and without confidence, specifically on defense.... we already know the OL needs to gel so I can understand lack of confidence there. Jones looks like he is seeing ghosts to me, I feel like he doesn't trust the blocking at all. Hopefully he can break that if the OL starts to gel a bit more (and we get Thomas back).
The biggest disappointment I see so far this year is the lack of toughness and want to from the defense. Something is very wrong. The Giants have enough talent to be at least a representative defense and they haven't shown up at all. I don't understand it.
There's no leader of the defense. No one to count on to make a big play. They don't stop the run enough to put the other offense in a must pass 3rd down very often and the few times they do, they get no pass rush blitz or no blitz.
How can they be this bad and this soft? It wan't like this last year and they had starters that were replacement level players. What has happened?
Other teams knew they were going to win but they would be black and blue after the game.
Giant coaches need to start talking up tough and start sitting soft players. Dont want to lay someone out? Get off the field.
The defense did, the offense rolled over like a prostitute.
Street cred, Geezus. What is the next theory?
I heard one thing that really caught my attention on the Giants Insider. The week after the Lions joint practices and pre season game Chris Bisignano talked about how it looked like the Giants players weren't prepared for the Lions intensity in the first joint scrimmage. He also mentioned about how Daboll started meetings at 9:00 am which seemed later to him than most coaches and the practices were short and not physical.
I'm sure if that was on the same podcast or not. He didn't sound critical to me at the time. He seemed to be trying to reassure everyone that the next day when the Giants knew what to expect they did much better and it was nothing to worry about. Just a different approach to training camp than the Lions.
There were several people who post here that thought the Giants should have played their starters more in the pre season to get them ready for game 1 of the regular season. I was not one of them. I hate seeing Giants players get injured in the pre season and wish those games didn't even get played.
Maybe a less physical training camp has nothing to do with the way the team played for the first 6 quarters of this season but I wonder if in hindsight Daboll will approach things differently next year.
I know that the entire 2022 draft got injured last year and the Giants have had more injuries than most teams for the past few years. It seems keeping players healthy was more important than training them to start the season. I applauded that thinking and it worked for the most part. But maybe it wasn't worth it?
He should put the pads on and hit during the week. Send a message if you arent going to hit in the game then we will hit in practice.
Maybe that will wake them up.
What a bunch of pansies.its really becoming embarrassing to even be a Giant fan.
He should put the pads on and hit during the week. Send a message if you arent going to hit in the game then we will hit in practice.
Maybe that will wake them up.
What a bunch of pansies.its really becoming embarrassing to even be a Giant fan.
Dabs may be too busy playing ping pong in the locker room with the guys and making sure things stay light and fun to install a rule like that.
The biggest disappointment I see so far this year is the lack of toughness and want to from the defense. Something is very wrong. The Giants have enough talent to be at least a representative defense and they haven't shown up at all. I don't understand it.
There's no leader of the defense. No one to count on to make a big play. They don't stop the run enough to put the other offense in a must pass 3rd down very often and the few times they do, they get no pass rush blitz or no blitz.
How can they be this bad and this soft? It wan't like this last year and they had starters that were replacement level players. What has happened?
I heard one thing that really caught my attention on the Giants Insider. The week after the Lions joint practices and pre season game Chris Bisignano talked about how it looked like the Giants players weren't prepared for the Lions intensity in the first joint scrimmage. He also mentioned about how Daboll started meetings at 9:00 am which seemed later to him than most coaches and the practices were short and not physical.
9 AM meetings is an issue? What time do the players come in to workout and/or get treatment? Are meeting before workouts or treatment?
Agree they didn't match Lions intensity(according to beats) 1st day. But they sure knocked the snot out of them the next day.
Does anyone really think Dabs is running things far differently this year from last year? Any evidence?
Lots of flailing about and stabs in the dark going on.
I still think there is something wrong with what Wink is doing.
Matt Peart,you're up!
One of the reasons I’m cautiously excited about McKethan - we have the size on the right side to play some bully ball. Establish the run to set up the pass. Set a tone on offense. Saquon is not a downhill runner but hoping he can adapt a little and just hit the hole full out. I think the offense has to set the tone, that’s where our playmakers (who need to wake up) are.
The one thing that bothers me about Schoen/Daboll (not a big deal but it bothers me) is not investing in a dynamic returner. We could use some help from special teams above and beyond just playing ‘clean’.
Free Agency is fun and all - but these days, a team has to be pretty mismanaged, or going all in on a super bowl run, to not be able to come up with a clever way to retain their own players.
Meaning: reality is setting in with the reason some of our acquisitions were available cheap (Campbell, Waller, etc)
Other teams knew they were going to win but they would be black and blue after the game.
Giant coaches need to start talking up tough and start sitting soft players. Dont want to lay someone out? Get off the field.
John Mendenhall was a beast that never stopped chasing the ball and banging people. He was a joy to watch and the defense always kept Giants in the game. Sadly that mentality is mostly gone now that most players are multi-millionaires .
and by anyone you can include me in that
This is the answer.
I'm just paraphrasing what I heard on a podcast that caught my attention at the time and I remembered it after the first 6 quarters of this season. I'm pretty sure Daboll is the 5th Giants head coach that Bisignano has covered. You'd have to ask him why he made a comment about 9am being unusual but he did.
WE? WE aren't tough? You must play for the Giants, yes? No? Would you say that to a Giants player, if you could?
"That's the only way to get respect in the NFL".
You have lots of experience playing in the NFL, yes? No? Then how come you know so much about how players relate to each other?
Fair point, but when is the last time the Giants were Oregon in that analogy?
WE? WE aren't tough? You must play for the Giants, yes? No? Would you say that to a Giants player, if you could?
"That's the only way to get respect in the NFL".
You have lots of experience playing in the NFL, yes? No? Then how come you know so much about how players relate to each other?
This nonsense is exhausting.
When fans say that players are soft, or not tough, or whatever, they're talking about a comparison to other players, not to the general public.
I didn't think your posts could get more ridiculous than when you repeatedly posted - for years - how much better it was to draft QBs outside of the first round (entirely based on Tom Brady), but I think you're proving that you're not a one-trick-pony. You're capable of an equally ridiculous post on a different topic. Well done!
WE? WE aren't tough? You must play for the Giants, yes? No? Would you say that to a Giants player, if you could?
"That's the only way to get respect in the NFL".
You have lots of experience playing in the NFL, yes? No? Then how come you know so much about how players relate to each other?
Whoa!!! I'm speaking metaphysically, man. I'm like transposing myself into the mind of the twelfth man.
You need to unbunch yourself.
[quote] I really like and fully support Schoen and Daboll. Unless something completely unforeseen by me happens they will have it regardless of the Giants record this year. I want them to succeed. I'm rooting for them.
I'm just paraphrasing what I heard on a podcast that caught my attention at the time and I remembered it after the first 6 quarters of this season. I'm pretty sure Daboll is the 5th Giants head coach that Bisignano has covered. You'd have to ask him why he made a comment about 9am being unusual but he did. [/quote
A lot of things are different since Bisignano started covering the Giants.
Does it matter what Judge or McAdoo did? They should be out of the discussion. They are not here anymore. When you get back to TC and Fassel that is a whole different era of football.
Daboll maybe doing what worked at Buffalo(that would be good). Man has been in the upper reaches of football for 20 years. Could be he wants to meet the position coaches and coordinators in the morning before the team.
I guess if it picqued your interest, that is fine. Too me - non-issue.
Winning in the NFL comes down to talent and scheme. If you've got a surplus of one, you can do with less of the other, but you've got to have both.
I was hoping we had closed the gap in talent with the better teams, but it seems like we've got a way to go. Every Giants fan paying attention knew this was a possibility. The season is not over because we've lost to the Cowboys and 49ers. I am not saying we should be optimistic either, but there is still time for the team to play better.
I still think we have an advantage on the sideline and in the front office. But maybe we don't. We won't have a better idea until more of the season plays out.
Who on the o line is our enforcer? Gates was but now gone. I would like to see Neal step up and clobber someone.
What linebacker or safety is our big hitter?
Maybe Jones could get in someones face, i mean can we show some life.
Enough sleep walking through the first quarter.
Where is the fire in the belly? Where is the gang tackling? Where are the o line pushing people forward?
Where is Wink to dial up a D that works? Has he lost the D already?
and aren’t developing.
I’m now officially wondering whether we have the right people running the show.
The evidence says no!
It’s spilling over into this season.
We need some people with the mentality of Strahan, Jacobs, Bradshaw, Pierce, and others who had that "edge" when they stepped on the field. I don't see "that" on the current roster.
Other teams knew they were going to win but they would be black and blue after the game.
Giant coaches need to start talking up tough and start sitting soft players. Dont want to lay someone out? Get off the field.
Yes the 70s were tough years for the fans. But truthfully I loved those teams. Guys like Mendenhall, Archer, Lockhart were awe inspiring. The three linebackers - Van Pelt, Kelley and Carson were right there with the Steelers Lambert, Ham and Russell as the best in the game. Even on offense, guys like Bob Tucker and Ron Johnson were tough as nails. Some awe inspiring talent combined with a hunger to fight, despite year after year poor results.
There is nothing awe inspiring about this team thus far. It is a soft, seemingly unprepared, motley crew of tender mercenaries... The once proud Crunch Bunch has morphed into a diffident Dove Club...
Can someone please stand up and be a leader Monday night? Can we take the fight to the other team for a change? Can we impose our will and make some game changing plays?
I am not confident, but if ever there was a moment to surprise the world, now would be a good time to do so.