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NFT: Damian Lillard traded to Milwaukee

nygiants16 : 9/27/2023 2:18 pm
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Jan in DC : 9/28/2023 10:48 am : link
In comment 16223573 DanMetroMan said:
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The Miami Heat were willing to offer Tyler Herro, Nikola Jovic, 3 first-round picks, first-round pick swaps and multiple second-round picks for Damian Lillard, per @ShamsCharania


The Blazers had little to no interest in engaging in a deal


Note that that doesn't say whether or not there were protections on the picks and what years they were. If they were this upcoming years they'd not be worth much.
RE: RE: As I mentioned before...  
Jan in DC : 9/28/2023 10:51 am : link
In comment 16223576 Stu11 said:
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In comment 16223550 Jan in DC said:


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if the 6ers gave them a swap and a pick. Or a Pick with Harden, they could just play him for 3-4 months and rehabilitate him and trade him for another 1st or a swap or something. It's just flipping assets. Morey feels like he can't trade Harden unless it's for a star or whatever, but Portland's GM doesn't have some line in the sand. They'll take whatever they can for him, or he just expires and they get the assets from the 6ers. Feels like a no brainer to me.


What you're talking about is a solution if Portland has nobody besides Philly interested. However by all accounts there are multiple suiters. Why would they settle for a guy they have no interest in keeping just to maybe be able to flip (if by chance he shows up in shape for a change) and actually tries for a non contender when he wouldn't even do that for multiple title contenders in recent years?


yea, obviously if they can get more from other teams, they should do those deals instead. Just saying that if they made that deal with the 6ers it doesn't necessarily have to be to keep Harden. The contracts just match up perfectly and they wouldn't be on the line for additional salary. Or they could continue to flip assets.
Trade for Holliday  
ajr2456 : 9/28/2023 10:51 am : link
Doesn’t make sense if it has to include RJ and no forward coming back. Knicks would be too guard heavy
RE: Trade for Holliday  
Stu11 : 9/28/2023 10:57 am : link
In comment 16223598 ajr2456 said:
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Doesn’t make sense if it has to include RJ and no forward coming back. Knicks would be too guard heavy

Hart and Grimes can play the 3 no?
I don’t think you’re getting enough  
ajr2456 : 9/28/2023 11:00 am : link
Offensively from Grimes at the 3
RE: RE: Trade for Holliday  
Enzo : 9/28/2023 11:02 am : link
In comment 16223601 Stu11 said:
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In comment 16223598 ajr2456 said:


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Doesn’t make sense if it has to include RJ and no forward coming back. Knicks would be too guard heavy


Hart and Grimes can play the 3 no?

of course they can. And Jrue and IQ have the length to guard bigger players. I think they'd have a top 5 defense.
Also a Hart/Jrue/Randle/Robinson  
ajr2456 : 9/28/2023 11:07 am : link
Lineup would be unplayable. Jrue isn’t a catch and shoot guy or a quick decision maker, that’s not what the Knicks lack right now.
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DanMetroMan : 9/28/2023 11:19 am : link
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Golden State could quickly become a frontrunner for Jrue Holiday, per @SIChrisMannix
every contender seems to be going after jrue  
Eric on Li : 9/28/2023 11:23 am : link
portland played this pretty impressively. it would be surprising if they dont get a good return for him.

if jakob poetl as a rental brought back 1 FRP and 2 seconds, have to think jrue is going to bring back at least 2 FRPs. brogdon trade last year another comp this trade return should exceed.
RE: Also a Hart/Jrue/Randle/Robinson  
BigBlueShock : 9/28/2023 11:42 am : link
In comment 16223606 ajr2456 said:
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Lineup would be unplayable. Jrue isn’t a catch and shoot guy or a quick decision maker, that’s not what the Knicks lack right now.

I haven’t looked it up so I have no idea if it’s true but they were talking about how perfect a fit Jrue is for the Knicks this morning on First Take and they mentioned that he shot 45% on catch and shoot 3s last season. Again, I can’t verify the accuracy of that yet but if it’s true that’s not bad at all
RE: Also a Hart/Jrue/Randle/Robinson  
nygiants16 : 9/28/2023 11:59 am : link
In comment 16223606 ajr2456 said:
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Lineup would be unplayable. Jrue isn’t a catch and shoot guy or a quick decision maker, that’s not what the Knicks lack right now.


Jrue played off of Giannis and was very good off catch and shoot...

Brunson is one of the better catch and shoot players in the NBA so if Jrue had the ball that would work to
RE: Also a Hart/Jrue/Randle/Robinson  
TyreeHelmet : 9/28/2023 12:02 pm : link
In comment 16223606 ajr2456 said:
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Lineup would be unplayable. Jrue isn’t a catch and shoot guy or a quick decision maker, that’s not what the Knicks lack right now.


Unplayable? Can't agree with that.

Holiday adds a secondary ball handler, good 3pt shooting, and one of the best defenders in the league.

If there is a opportunity to get this guy, the Knicks should take it and I wouldn't let RJ be a deal breaker.
He shot 45% on barely over one catch and shoot  
ajr2456 : 9/28/2023 12:05 pm : link
A game. I don’t think Jrue is a good enough primary initiator to be the on ball guy with Brunson off it. Unless the trade has a follow up of Embiid coming over the offense would be too clunky in the backcourt
For reference RJ had 4 catch and shoot opportunities  
ajr2456 : 9/28/2023 12:08 pm : link
And Grimes had 5 last year. From a scoring perspective Jrue doesn’t do what they’re looking for in a third option next to Brunson and Randle. They need a poor man’s Klay Thompson.
AJ  
TyreeHelmet : 9/28/2023 12:19 pm : link
What do you think the ask for Holiday will be and where do you think he ends up?

With Giannis most likely staying put, who is the next star for the knicks to dream about? Any chance Luka asks out?
The best target for the Knicks  
Dave on the UWS : 9/28/2023 12:21 pm : link
is Booker from Phoenix.
I think the ask  
ajr2456 : 9/28/2023 12:23 pm : link
Is a starter level player and an unprotected first or multiple firsts. I think he ends up in Miami or Golden State but have no inside info on that.
RE: The best target for the Knicks  
NYG22 : 9/28/2023 12:49 pm : link
In comment 16223670 Dave on the UWS said:
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is Booker from Phoenix.


Yeah, and while they're at it, get Tatum, Doncic and Wembayana.
RE: .  
djm : 9/28/2023 4:23 pm : link
In comment 16223573 DanMetroMan said:
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The Miami Heat were willing to offer Tyler Herro, Nikola Jovic, 3 first-round picks, first-round pick swaps and multiple second-round picks for Damian Lillard, per @ShamsCharania


The Blazers had little to no interest in engaging in a deal


I am heartbroken. Gonna be hard for me to even watch the NBA this season knowing Miami was left at the alter....

Portland just became my second favorite NBA team of all time. All they had to do was say no, and they did. Kudos Portland....kudos.
I wonder if the past year has changed it at all  
Stu11 : 9/28/2023 4:54 pm : link
But at this time they asked NBA GMs anonymously who they valued more RJ or Hero and according to NBA radio like 75% said RJ.
RE: .  
dpinzow : 9/28/2023 5:55 pm : link
In comment 16223573 DanMetroMan said:
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The Miami Heat were willing to offer Tyler Herro, Nikola Jovic, 3 first-round picks, first-round pick swaps and multiple second-round picks for Damian Lillard, per @ShamsCharania


The Blazers had little to no interest in engaging in a deal


Of course because the Miami picks are almost always outside the lottery as they are usually in the playoffs. The Blazers would be getting Herro and a bunch of non-lottery picks and giving up Dame
If Herro was flippable  
ajr2456 : 9/28/2023 6:28 pm : link
Like Jrue they would have taken the Miami offer
RE: The best target for the Knicks  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/28/2023 6:51 pm : link
In comment 16223670 Dave on the UWS said:
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is Booker from Phoenix.


Haha. That ship has sailed, for the time being @ least. Their owner is all in winning a title.
RE: If Herro was flippable  
BigBlueShock : 9/28/2023 7:10 pm : link
In comment 16223926 ajr2456 said:
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Like Jrue they would have taken the Miami offer

Exactly. Miami has been trying to include Herro as the “headliner” in deals for a star for two years now. Nobody wants him. Hell, Miami clearly doesn’t even want him
I can't see the Knicks FO  
larryflower37 : 9/28/2023 7:29 pm : link
Mortgaging the future for 1 year of Holiday
You can't move RJ, Grimes or IQ for 1 year maybe you could do Hartenstein, Fournier and some picks but I don't think he gets you a championship this year so why do it.
GS, Philly, Boston, Miami make sense because he can be the piece to deliver a championship.
RE: I can't see the Knicks FO  
BigBlueShock : 9/28/2023 7:40 pm : link
In comment 16223956 larryflower37 said:
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Mortgaging the future for 1 year of Holiday
You can't move RJ, Grimes or IQ for 1 year maybe you could do Hartenstein, Fournier and some picks but I don't think he gets you a championship this year so why do it.
GS, Philly, Boston, Miami make sense because he can be the piece to deliver a championship.

What does mortgaging the future even mean? As Knicks fans we’ve been kicking the can down the road for our entire lives, waiting for the future. The future never comes. Holliday is a fantastic player and if they can get him, they should absolutely try to get him. Giving up Grimes in a deal for a future hall of gamer is a no brainer. Knicks fans continue to overvalue our own as we just keep being satisfied waiting for “the future”
I am fine trading quick in a deal for Holiday  
nygiants16 : 9/28/2023 7:44 pm : link
Quick is going to be traded eventually even if he gets a new deal, he is going to be a piece being traded..

I wouldnt trade Grimes in a deal becauae his fit next to Brunson is perfect..

if it was Fournier, Quick, and Hartenstein plus a protected pick for Holiday i would do it..It would actually hurt more to trade Hartenstein in my opinion..

This is a win now mode team..
BBS.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/28/2023 7:45 pm : link
I like Grimes, but some people here act like he's the next Jordan. It is weird.
RE: BBS.  
BigBlueShock : 9/28/2023 7:54 pm : link
In comment 16223961 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I like Grimes, but some people here act like he's the next Jordan. It is weird.

Yeah I don’t get it. Overrating Grimes and criminally underrating Holiday. Every time a potential move comes up fans act like that’s the one and only move that will be done. The Knicks would still have the assets to make another big move. Holiday instantly makes this team much better. And wouldn’t eliminate them from other moves
I don’t think Holliday makes the Knicks  
ajr2456 : 9/28/2023 8:13 pm : link
As much better as some think for the reasons above. Holliday is a good player but the pieces still have to fit. Otherwise you end up like Cleveland or Atlanta.

It’s going to be moot, all indications from the people I’ve spoken to say the Knicks likely won’t match what Boston and GSW have offered. Boston has offered Robert Williams, Brogdon and picks and GSW has offered Paul, Kuminga and picks
RE: I don’t think Holliday makes the Knicks  
nygiants16 : 9/28/2023 8:21 pm : link
In comment 16223975 ajr2456 said:
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As much better as some think for the reasons above. Holliday is a good player but the pieces still have to fit. Otherwise you end up like Cleveland or Atlanta.

It’s going to be moot, all indications from the people I’ve spoken to say the Knicks likely won’t match what Boston and GSW have offered. Boston has offered Robert Williams, Brogdon and picks and GSW has offered Paul, Kuminga and picks


Why would Portland want Robert Williams or Brogdon? that makes no sense..

Can GS even offer Paul? and Kuminga is so overrated..

and Holiday fits perfectly with the Knicks..
RE: I don’t think Holliday makes the Knicks  
BigBlueShock : 9/28/2023 8:22 pm : link
In comment 16223975 ajr2456 said:
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As much better as some think for the reasons above. Holliday is a good player but the pieces still have to fit. Otherwise you end up like Cleveland or Atlanta.

It’s going to be moot, all indications from the people I’ve spoken to say the Knicks likely won’t match what Boston and GSW have offered. Boston has offered Robert Williams, Brogdon and picks and GSW has offered Paul, Kuminga and picks

I’m not surprised the Knicks won’t be in it but why would Portland want Paul or Brogdon? Sure they could flip for for some mediocre picks but I find it hard to believe Portland would prioritize GS and Boston picks over the picks other teams can offer. Paul and Brogdon aren’t going to bring back a haul if they flip them. Weirder things have happened but those offers don’t seem to make any sense for where Portland is. To me at least
I have no problem mortgaging some future  
djm : 9/28/2023 8:52 pm : link
I just don’t think trading IQ for Holiday is a big upgrade or a smart trade. Maybe I’m overrating what IQ is and will be, but I’m keeping him unless we’re getting back something close to ridiculous, which would entail giving up more than just IQ. That’s fine. I think it’s possible that IQ isn’t even a finished product. Let him grow here. He’s got a wonderful skill set.
If we’re talking grimes and more for Holliday  
djm : 9/28/2023 8:54 pm : link
I’d definitely do it.
Problem is Holiday will opt out  
larryflower37 : 9/28/2023 9:28 pm : link
Next year.
I don't over value our current players, just would not trade them for a rental that doesn't push us over the top
RE: RE: I don’t think Holliday makes the Knicks  
ajr2456 : 9/28/2023 9:28 pm : link
In comment 16223980 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 16223975 ajr2456 said:


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As much better as some think for the reasons above. Holliday is a good player but the pieces still have to fit. Otherwise you end up like Cleveland or Atlanta.

It’s going to be moot, all indications from the people I’ve spoken to say the Knicks likely won’t match what Boston and GSW have offered. Boston has offered Robert Williams, Brogdon and picks and GSW has offered Paul, Kuminga and picks



Why would Portland want Robert Williams or Brogdon? that makes no sense..

Can GS even offer Paul? and Kuminga is so overrated..

and Holiday fits perfectly with the Knicks..


He doesn’t though unless there are follow up moves
How does he not fit?  
nygiants16 : 9/28/2023 10:00 pm : link
He can play off the ball or on the ball offensively and he is an absolute stud defensively which is perfect next to Brunson and Randle..

He sbot almost 40% from 3 and 45% on catch shoot..

Brunson can also play on or off the ball offensively..

So i dont get how he doesnt fit, he is the definition of what you want next to Brunson
He shot 1 catch and shoot a game  
ajr2456 : 9/28/2023 10:07 pm : link
It’s not a big enough part of his game to be a good fit without Randle or RJ being flipped for another 4.

Look at how many catch and shoot attempts RJ and Grimes have. The offense would be too clunky with Jrue, Hart, Randle, Mitch which would be your likely closing 5.
RE: He shot 1 catch and shoot a game  
nygiants16 : 9/28/2023 10:12 pm : link
In comment 16224064 ajr2456 said:
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It’s not a big enough part of his game to be a good fit without Randle or RJ being flipped for another 4.

Look at how many catch and shoot attempts RJ and Grimes have. The offense would be too clunky with Jrue, Hart, Randle, Mitch which would be your likely closing 5.


He literally played off Giannis...

You also realoze you could put the ball in his hands and have Brunson move off the ball as well?? He was pretty good on catch and shoot as well..

Randle proved last year he can play off the ball, he shot more 3s and adjusted to playing next to Brunson..

Mitch is a lob threat and Hart can play off anyone because he moves so much on offense
Milwaukee was getting 4.2 catch and shoot  
ajr2456 : 9/28/2023 10:23 pm : link
3s from brook Lopez and 3.6 from Bobby Portis up front that’s why it worked off of Giannis (which playing off Giannis is being overvalued here). The Knicks don’t get that from their bigs.
Also moving Brunson off the ball too often  
ajr2456 : 9/28/2023 10:25 pm : link
Negates what makes him a borderline superstar, his ability to get into the paint when initiating the offense.
Agree to disagree then  
nygiants16 : 9/28/2023 10:29 pm : link
becauae everything i have seen has aaid he would be a great fit
Knicks  
TyreeHelmet : 9/29/2023 12:17 pm : link
Can't the Knicks easily beat the Boston or GS offer?
RE: Knicks  
ajr2456 : 9/29/2023 12:41 pm : link
In comment 16224381 TyreeHelmet said:
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Can't the Knicks easily beat the Boston or GS offer?


They don’t want to
Why would you compete for an expiring contract  
larryflower37 : 9/29/2023 1:49 pm : link
33 yr guard that doesn't win you a championship this year.
He would put a top 5 team over the top for 1 year, he doesn't do that for the Knicks, we give up valuable assets we can use in a deal for someone who is a better fit and will be with the team for more than 1 year.
Lol  
DanMetroMan : 9/29/2023 1:51 pm : link
Lillard said Miami or bust and he'd rescind his trade demand and Cronin said it was too late for that.
Miami  
TyreeHelmet : 9/29/2023 2:32 pm : link
It sounds like Portland wanted nothing to do with them and Miami has earned the benefit of the doubt. But it's interesting they aren't getting killed for missing out on Lillard like the Knicks were for Mitchell.
RE: Why would you compete for an expiring contract  
TyreeHelmet : 9/29/2023 3:37 pm : link
In comment 16224543 larryflower37 said:
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33 yr guard that doesn't win you a championship this year.
He would put a top 5 team over the top for 1 year, he doesn't do that for the Knicks, we give up valuable assets we can use in a deal for someone who is a better fit and will be with the team for more than 1 year.


To become a much better team? He can also sign an extension.

And who is the "next guy" that is a better fit? How many more seasons are the Knicks waiting for this mystery superstar?
RE: RE: Why would you compete for an expiring contract  
widmerseyebrow : 9/29/2023 3:58 pm : link
In comment 16224647 TyreeHelmet said:
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And who is the "next guy" that is a better fit? How many more seasons are the Knicks waiting for this mystery superstar?


This is one thing about the NBA that baffles me: how the draft is so devalued vs. the NFL even amongst fans. I get that there are fewer "sure things," in the NBA draft, but I also see a similar distribution of surprise contributors, starters, and even stars after those first few lottery picks. But sitting tight, drafting the best player available every year, and seeing what happens is rarely looked at as the best road to a championship.
RE: RE: Why would you compete for an expiring contract  
Stu11 : 9/29/2023 4:47 pm : link
In comment 16224647 TyreeHelmet said:
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To become a much better team? He can also sign an extension.

And who is the "next guy" that is a better fit? How many more seasons are the Knicks waiting for this mystery superstar?

This x1000. What is it with the "we're not 1 player away" crap? This team was a made shot or 2 from forcing a game 7 at home to play for the ECF. We add a guy like Jrue along with having added DD this off season this team can go toe to toe with any team in the East besides maybe Milwaukee. Who's to say it's the last move either? We'd still have pieces to make another big move down the road. Why the hell sit around and watch Boston or Philly grab him and kick our ass for the 30th year in a row. Let's join the battle here.
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