the way they treated the Knicks for slow playing the Mitchell trade last year.
if they dont get Jrue they 100% screwed the pooch and possibly to the point jimmy butler says something publicly.
have to think the holiday bidding price starts with the heat 2 unprotect FRP's, swaps, and lowry's expiring. i think they'd also need to include caleb martin for salary match. doubt portland can get jaquez or jovic on top of that but maybe?
lol. Every time we want the Knicks to go get someone we're chastised about how the Knicks have nothing to give yet that steaming pile of shit lands Jrue Holiday?
Lillard is old (33), Middleton is right behind him, and Lopez is older than both of them.
By way of comparison, when the Miami Big 3 began their run, Lebron and Bosh were 26 and Wade was 28. Lebron left Miami for a younger supporting cast in CLE when Wade was younger than Lillard is now.
Maybe it works for the Bucks this year, but it's not going to be a long run. Of course, Jrue is old too, so they already had the age problem. That's why they got bounced early last year.
Butler and Tyler Herro are accusing the Bucks of tampering with Butler saying the NBA needs to investigate this.
Tyler Herro does know that he was going to be traded if the Blazers ever accepted Miami’s poo poo platter of an offer, right?
Blazers did a good job. They didn’t accept horseshit that they didn’t want. They got a young player who fits with the young players they have. They get to flip Jrue Holliday somewhere else for more assets.
Butler and Tyler Herro are accusing the Bucks of tampering with Butler saying the NBA needs to investigate this.
I seen this and was wondering how the hell a team can tamper when in trade discussions? What the hell does that even mean? If anything, it is Miami that should be hammered for tampering. Working with the players agent (a player they don’t employ) to steer a trade their way and eliminate any competition for that player seems like the definition of tampering, no?
The addition of Hart for the entire year is not going to make thwir record better?
Divencenzo who is a better player than Toppin wont improve the team?
Brunson cant play even better? Rj who had a shit season cant play a little better?
Not what I'm saying they can't approve enough to get over the hump of the top four or five teams in the east.
So you are not competing for a ring.
They finished top 5 last year and after starting 10-13 they had atop 5 record in the entire NBA
Perfect so you are saying they can compete with the top teams in the east?
No you aren't, they will be fun to watch but at the end of the year they have no shot to win the east .
No shot is a stretch. They literally just had a shot 5 months ago. They also had Randle and brunson get hurt.
Any team that can get to the elite 8 can get to the finals. A team that sucks has no shot.
I saw the Buckets clip & thought it was somewhat tongue in cheek. And if it isn't, oh well. Too bad for Miami, Haha. & fuck them...they'll probably land Luka in a year or so when he starts bitching about what's going on in Dallas.
Maybe RJ? Actually makes more sense for Portland to get a young guy back at the 3.
I like holiday too but I can’t trade IQ for him. He’s 33 and is he even that much of an upgrade over IQ?
He’s a short term upgrade, but the Knicks aren’t on a Jrue Holiday timeline. They need younger players than him. Trading IQ for him would make zero sense.
I can’t say that I’m in a hurry to hand IQ a pile of money though.
I saw the Buckets clip & thought it was somewhat tongue in cheek. And if it isn't, oh well. Too bad for Miami, Haha. & fuck them...they'll probably land Luka in a year or so when he starts bitching about what's going on in Dallas.
Miami is not getting Luka. Almost every team in the NBA has better sssets to offer than them. They are screwed. Their only hope was to convince Dame to go public that he only wanted Miami because they knew they had no chance at a bidding war with anyone.
While I agree on the assets part, people like playing in South Beach. & while I have no idea what's goes on in Luka's mind, it wouldn't floor me if he asks out in the next year or so & has Miami high on his list. Now, of course Dallas shouldn't GAF about that...they should move him to where they can get the most in return.
I just love that the Heat's whole offseason was ruined this afternoon. Haha.
they make up with their deoth and their versatility..
Brunson is a star, Randle is an all nba caliber all star player..
The reason they beat the cavs was not just Brunson and Rj, it was because they could throw multiple guys at Mitchell and Garland and make them work...
Knicks habe Iq, Grimes, Hart, Divencenzo all who can guard the perimiter..
Knicks will ahve a great record because of those thinga, when they get to the playoffs, Rj and Randle need to elevate their game to Brunson level to get to the conf÷ence finals and finals
they make up with their deoth and their versatility..
Brunson is a star, Randle is an all nba caliber all star player..
The reason they beat the cavs was not just Brunson and Rj, it was because they could throw multiple guys at Mitchell and Garland and make them work...
Knicks habe Iq, Grimes, Hart, Divencenzo all who can guard the perimiter..
Knicks will ahve a great record because of those thinga, when they get to the playoffs, Rj and Randle need to elevate their game to Brunson level to get to the conf÷ence finals and finals
That’s nice and all and great for the regular season, I have no doubts thibs will have this group to be a top 6 seed and make the playoffs. Problem is.
Grimes no showed in the playoffs. Iq was trash and then hurt in the playoffs. Josh hart is not a consistent three point shooter who the heat just left wide open.
Mitch got absolutely throttled by Bam
Randle is a guy who shrinks in the playoffs. I don’t care about his ankle injury I care about the several clips of him jogging back and giving 0 effort on defense or turnovers against Miami.
This team is what it is. A potential 2nd round team depending on who they face in round 1 l
Either way. The Knicks as currently constructed are not capable of winning a championship or making it to the finals barring injuries to the teams the play in the playoffs.
I tend to agree that the Knicks-barring massive injuries elsewhere-aren't a legit Finals contender. The Bucks, Cs, 76ers, & perhaps the Cavs/Heat are ahead of them...
The Knicks-& I hope I'm wrong-somewhat remind me of the late '80s/early '90s Cavs teams...a really good team, but playing in a stacked conference & their ceiling was only so high. In this case, Brunson is Mark Price.
I tend to agree that the Knicks-barring massive injuries elsewhere-aren't a legit Finals contender. The Bucks, Cs, 76ers, & perhaps the Cavs/Heat are ahead of them...
The Knicks-& I hope I'm wrong-somewhat remind me of the late '80s/early '90s Cavs teams...a really good team, but playing in a stacked conference & their ceiling was only so high. In this case, Brunson is Mark Price.
Unless one of the Cavs young guys takes a leap, they're not above the Knicks. And the heat lost 2 people out of their already short rotation and signed no one. I think the Knicks are firmly in the top of the East.
Jan, the Heat lost Oladipo, Strus, Vincent, & even Zeller. They should take a step back. But I think so highly of Spo & Buckets...they'll still be a bitch. They might not light the world on fire in the regular season, but if they get to the playoffs...they'll be a nuisance.
and it's a significant improvement over what they were pre-Rose/Thibs but they are not on a path to a championship with the current group.
Will they be competitive this season yes, can they catch a Cavs-type team again in the first round sure but they have decisions to make to get to the next level. I hope I am wrong because I like every player on this team, it's a likable, hard-working team with a lot of dogs.
I tend to agree that the Knicks-barring massive injuries elsewhere-aren't a legit Finals contender. The Bucks, Cs, 76ers, & perhaps the Cavs/Heat are ahead of them...
The Knicks-& I hope I'm wrong-somewhat remind me of the late '80s/early '90s Cavs teams...a really good team, but playing in a stacked conference & their ceiling was only so high. In this case, Brunson is Mark Price.
Cavs and Heat are not better than the Knicks..
Sixers are hard to figure out because of the Harden mess...
Celtics are going to miss Marcus Smart, they added KP but their issue wasnt shooting from their bigs..
I disagree about the Cavs. Regardless of last years playoff result, Cleveland's added Straus & Niang. They're better on paper.
If you want to say Knicks are better than Heat right now, I won't fight you.
76ers are better than us. As are Cs & Bucks. This shouldn't be controversial.
I am not saying Knicks are better than Sixers or Cs, i am simpky saying i think the Knicks could have better records becaus eof the sixers mess and with the celtics i dont think KP was what they needed..
As for the Cavs, they still are missing their biggest need a guy who can play the 3, shoot the 3 and defend the perimiter. Knicms have 4 guys who can guard Garland and Mitchell, Cavs have none who can guard Brunson...
Cavs will habe a good regular season record but come playoffs they will flame out again
I disagree about the Cavs. Regardless of last year's playoff result, Cleveland added Straus & Niang. They're better on paper.
If you want to say the Knicks are better than the Heat right now, I won't fight you.
The 76ers are better than us. As are Cs & Bucks. This shouldn't be controversial.
I am not saying the Knicks are better than the Sixers or Cs, I am simply saying I think the Knicks could have better records because of the Sixer's mess and with the Celtics, I don't think KP was what they needed...
As for the Cavs, they still are missing their biggest need a guy who can play the 3, shoot the 3, and defend the perimeter. The Knicks have 4 guys who can guard Garland and Mitchell, Cavs have none who can guard Brunson...
Cavs will have a good regular season record but come playoffs they will flame out again
I don't see the Cavs collapsing in the Playoffs again, the bigs played soft last year and I think Mobley and Okero will be better.
I wouldn't sleep on Brooklyn being better either. Miami figures it out and is dangerous when the playoffs start.
I think the Knicks will be the 4th-8th seed but to think you have to face either Boston or Bucks in the 2nd round ends any hope outside of injuries.
I am fine with another year of this roster and a playoff berth, hopeful for a playoff series win but I don't see it being sustainable long-term. NBA is a 6-8 team league the rest are practice players.
I disagree about the Cavs. Regardless of last years playoff result, Cleveland's added Straus & Niang. They're better on paper.
If you want to say Knicks are better than Heat right now, I won't fight you.
76ers are better than us. As are Cs & Bucks. This shouldn't be controversial.
Sorry man. But I’m not ignoring the fact that the Knicks bitch slapped the shit out of the Cavs when it counted most. There is no way in hell I’m buying that the Cavs are better than the Knicks. We all seen it with our own eyes. The Cavs couldn’t compete. They deserve absolutely no benefit of doubt there. The Knicks are superior to the Cavs until proven otherwise.
I disagree about the Cavs. Regardless of last year's playoff result, Cleveland added Straus & Niang. They're better on paper.
If you want to say the Knicks are better than the Heat right now, I won't fight you.
The 76ers are better than us. As are Cs & Bucks. This shouldn't be controversial.
I am not saying the Knicks are better than the Sixers or Cs, I am simply saying I think the Knicks could have better records because of the Sixer's mess and with the Celtics, I don't think KP was what they needed...
As for the Cavs, they still are missing their biggest need a guy who can play the 3, shoot the 3, and defend the perimeter. The Knicks have 4 guys who can guard Garland and Mitchell, Cavs have none who can guard Brunson...
Cavs will have a good regular season record but come playoffs they will flame out again
I don't see the Cavs collapsing in the Playoffs again, the bigs played soft last year and I think Mobley and Okero will be better.
I wouldn't sleep on Brooklyn being better either. Miami figures it out and is dangerous when the playoffs start.
I think the Knicks will be the 4th-8th seed but to think you have to face either Boston or Bucks in the 2nd round ends any hope outside of injuries.
I am fine with another year of this roster and a playoff berth, hopeful for a playoff series win but I don't see it being sustainable long-term. NBA is a 6-8 team league the rest are practice players.
Cleveland is a soft team with their only periniter defendsr not being able to shoot the 3, they have 2 guards that want the ball and neither can defend and 2 bigs that cant shoot..
Miami lost their 3rd and 4th best player in the playoffs and now will habe to rely more heavily on Lowry who is old and cant stay healthy..
Brooklyn? seriously? the team Knicks blew out twice after their trades? Their highest paid player doesnt fit on their team, Bridges is very good but now teams will gameplan for him, lets see how he reacts when defense's are created to stop him
speculated on his podcast with Marks that maybe the Knicks go after Holiday with a package starting with RJ. I'd strongly consider that although trading RJ for a guy who's 10 years older would hurt. But maybe that helps to mitigate the number of picks you'd have to include. And then we'd have plus defenders all over the lineup aside from Brunson.
speculated on his podcast with Marks that maybe the Knicks go after Holiday with a package starting with RJ. I'd strongly consider that although trading RJ for a guy who's 10 years older would hurt. But maybe that helps to mitigate the number of picks you'd have to include. And then we'd have plus defenders all over the lineup aside from Brunson.
Why on earth would they do that? Unless they’re trading for Embiid the day after that, it makes no sense.
speculated on his podcast with Marks that maybe the Knicks go after Holiday with a package starting with RJ. I'd strongly consider that although trading RJ for a guy who's 10 years older would hurt. But maybe that helps to mitigate the number of picks you'd have to include. And then we'd have plus defenders all over the lineup aside from Brunson.
Its no secret i am not the biggest Rj fan but it would be hard for me to trade Rj for Holiday, although i think he does elevate this team and maybe even makes the pieces fit a tad better..
The defense would probably be the best in the keague if you add Holiday
speculated on his podcast with Marks that maybe the Knicks go after Holiday with a package starting with RJ. I'd strongly consider that although trading RJ for a guy who's 10 years older would hurt. But maybe that helps to mitigate the number of picks you'd have to include. And then we'd have plus defenders all over the lineup aside from Brunson.
Why on earth would they do that? Unless they’re trading for Embiid the day after that, it makes no sense.
if they're prioritizing the short term it makes plenty of sense. They're a better team in 23/24 with Holiday instead of RJ. Of course there's other things to consider (age, draft equity, contracts, opportunity cost, etc.).
speculated on his podcast with Marks that maybe the Knicks go after Holiday with a package starting with RJ. I'd strongly consider that although trading RJ for a guy who's 10 years older would hurt. But maybe that helps to mitigate the number of picks you'd have to include. And then we'd have plus defenders all over the lineup aside from Brunson.
Why on earth would they do that? Unless they’re trading for Embiid the day after that, it makes no sense.
if they're prioritizing the short term it makes plenty of sense. They're a better team in 23/24 with Holiday instead of RJ. Of course there's other things to consider (age, draft equity, contracts, opportunity cost, etc.).
What I meant by my previous comment is why would they be prioritizing the short term? They’re not going to win a championship just by adding Jrue Holiday. Why come off of their current timeline for a guy who doesn’t appreciably move the needle? If it’s the thing that leads to the thing, then fine.
Windhorst also thinks the Knicks should pursue Jrue
to help lure Embiid, but I no longer have confidence that players can just pick their destinations in trades anymore. Windhorst has been saying for months that the Knicks can make two big trades.
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the way they treated the Knicks for slow playing the Mitchell trade last year.
if they dont get Jrue they 100% screwed the pooch and possibly to the point jimmy butler says something publicly.
have to think the holiday bidding price starts with the heat 2 unprotect FRP's, swaps, and lowry's expiring. i think they'd also need to include caleb martin for salary match. doubt portland can get jaquez or jovic on top of that but maybe?
lol. Every time we want the Knicks to go get someone we're chastised about how the Knicks have nothing to give yet that steaming pile of shit lands Jrue Holiday?
I wouldn't be too sure Giannis stays there, though he seems to like Milwaukee.
Yes.
Wouldn't they know by.... tampering?
Miami can say whatever they want but they screwed this up. But I'm still not doubting them.
By way of comparison, when the Miami Big 3 began their run, Lebron and Bosh were 26 and Wade was 28. Lebron left Miami for a younger supporting cast in CLE when Wade was younger than Lillard is now.
Maybe it works for the Bucks this year, but it's not going to be a long run. Of course, Jrue is old too, so they already had the age problem. That's why they got bounced early last year.
7 is the max
Tyler Herro does know that he was going to be traded if the Blazers ever accepted Miami’s poo poo platter of an offer, right?
Blazers did a good job. They didn’t accept horseshit that they didn’t want. They got a young player who fits with the young players they have. They get to flip Jrue Holliday somewhere else for more assets.
Phoenix must reaaaallllly hate DeAndre.
And Pat the Rat is fucked.
I seen this and was wondering how the hell a team can tamper when in trade discussions? What the hell does that even mean? If anything, it is Miami that should be hammered for tampering. Working with the players agent (a player they don’t employ) to steer a trade their way and eliminate any competition for that player seems like the definition of tampering, no?
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Problem is matching salaries
Maybe RJ? Actually makes more sense for Portland to get a young guy back at the 3.
I like holiday too but I can’t trade IQ for him. He’s 33 and is he even that much of an upgrade over IQ?
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are going to improve?
The addition of Hart for the entire year is not going to make thwir record better?
Divencenzo who is a better player than Toppin wont improve the team?
Brunson cant play even better? Rj who had a shit season cant play a little better?
Not what I'm saying they can't approve enough to get over the hump of the top four or five teams in the east.
So you are not competing for a ring.
They finished top 5 last year and after starting 10-13 they had atop 5 record in the entire NBA
Perfect so you are saying they can compete with the top teams in the east?
No you aren't, they will be fun to watch but at the end of the year they have no shot to win the east .
No shot is a stretch. They literally just had a shot 5 months ago. They also had Randle and brunson get hurt.
Any team that can get to the elite 8 can get to the finals. A team that sucks has no shot.
Miami can say whatever they want but they screwed this up. But I'm still not doubting them.
Ehh i think Heat are done unless they get a PG..
Letting Vincent and Struss go is really going to hurt them, Vincent and struss were their 3rd and 4th best player in the playoffs..
They now have to rely on Lowry tk be the starting point..
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Butler and Tyler Herro are accusing the Bucks of tampering with Butler saying the NBA needs to investigate this.
Wouldn't they know by.... tampering?
Tampering right before free agency, sure, but how do you even tamper with regards to a trade? Like, the accusation doesn't even make sense to me.
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Problem is matching salaries
Maybe RJ? Actually makes more sense for Portland to get a young guy back at the 3.
I like holiday too but I can’t trade IQ for him. He’s 33 and is he even that much of an upgrade over IQ?
He’s a short term upgrade, but the Knicks aren’t on a Jrue Holiday timeline. They need younger players than him. Trading IQ for him would make zero sense.
I can’t say that I’m in a hurry to hand IQ a pile of money though.
Miami is not getting Luka. Almost every team in the NBA has better sssets to offer than them. They are screwed. Their only hope was to convince Dame to go public that he only wanted Miami because they knew they had no chance at a bidding war with anyone.
The problem is they are going to be too good to get a nice draft pick, and they don’t really want to overspend for the aging veteran FA.
Stay the course and use the assets wisely.
I just love that the Heat's whole offseason was ruined this afternoon. Haha.
Brunson is a star, Randle is an all nba caliber all star player..
The reason they beat the cavs was not just Brunson and Rj, it was because they could throw multiple guys at Mitchell and Garland and make them work...
Knicks habe Iq, Grimes, Hart, Divencenzo all who can guard the perimiter..
Knicks will ahve a great record because of those thinga, when they get to the playoffs, Rj and Randle need to elevate their game to Brunson level to get to the conf÷ence finals and finals
Brunson is a star, Randle is an all nba caliber all star player..
The reason they beat the cavs was not just Brunson and Rj, it was because they could throw multiple guys at Mitchell and Garland and make them work...
Knicks habe Iq, Grimes, Hart, Divencenzo all who can guard the perimiter..
Knicks will ahve a great record because of those thinga, when they get to the playoffs, Rj and Randle need to elevate their game to Brunson level to get to the conf÷ence finals and finals
That’s nice and all and great for the regular season, I have no doubts thibs will have this group to be a top 6 seed and make the playoffs. Problem is.
Grimes no showed in the playoffs. Iq was trash and then hurt in the playoffs. Josh hart is not a consistent three point shooter who the heat just left wide open.
Mitch got absolutely throttled by Bam
Randle is a guy who shrinks in the playoffs. I don’t care about his ankle injury I care about the several clips of him jogging back and giving 0 effort on defense or turnovers against Miami.
This team is what it is. A potential 2nd round team depending on who they face in round 1 l
Either way. The Knicks as currently constructed are not capable of winning a championship or making it to the finals barring injuries to the teams the play in the playoffs.
Miami gets harden
Portland gets herro picks and fillers
The Knicks-& I hope I'm wrong-somewhat remind me of the late '80s/early '90s Cavs teams...a really good team, but playing in a stacked conference & their ceiling was only so high. In this case, Brunson is Mark Price.
12/23 @ NYK 12:30 pm
12/25 @ NYK 12:00 noon
The consecutive MSG games are bad scheduling that takes away some of the luster of what should be the marquee Christmas matchup.
But the NBA has yet to consult with me on such things.
The Knicks-& I hope I'm wrong-somewhat remind me of the late '80s/early '90s Cavs teams...a really good team, but playing in a stacked conference & their ceiling was only so high. In this case, Brunson is Mark Price.
Unless one of the Cavs young guys takes a leap, they're not above the Knicks. And the heat lost 2 people out of their already short rotation and signed no one. I think the Knicks are firmly in the top of the East.
Just wondering how patient they can afford to be. I think a move has to come before next season.
This is the year where Mobley-IMO-takes the leap.
Will they be competitive this season yes, can they catch a Cavs-type team again in the first round sure but they have decisions to make to get to the next level. I hope I am wrong because I like every player on this team, it's a likable, hard-working team with a lot of dogs.
The Knicks-& I hope I'm wrong-somewhat remind me of the late '80s/early '90s Cavs teams...a really good team, but playing in a stacked conference & their ceiling was only so high. In this case, Brunson is Mark Price.
Cavs and Heat are not better than the Knicks..
Sixers are hard to figure out because of the Harden mess...
Celtics are going to miss Marcus Smart, they added KP but their issue wasnt shooting from their bigs..
If you want to say Knicks are better than Heat right now, I won't fight you.
76ers are better than us. As are Cs & Bucks. This shouldn't be controversial.
If you want to say Knicks are better than Heat right now, I won't fight you.
76ers are better than us. As are Cs & Bucks. This shouldn't be controversial.
I am not saying Knicks are better than Sixers or Cs, i am simpky saying i think the Knicks could have better records becaus eof the sixers mess and with the celtics i dont think KP was what they needed..
As for the Cavs, they still are missing their biggest need a guy who can play the 3, shoot the 3 and defend the perimiter. Knicms have 4 guys who can guard Garland and Mitchell, Cavs have none who can guard Brunson...
Cavs will habe a good regular season record but come playoffs they will flame out again
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I disagree about the Cavs. Regardless of last year's playoff result, Cleveland added Straus & Niang. They're better on paper.
If you want to say the Knicks are better than the Heat right now, I won't fight you.
The 76ers are better than us. As are Cs & Bucks. This shouldn't be controversial.
I am not saying the Knicks are better than the Sixers or Cs, I am simply saying I think the Knicks could have better records because of the Sixer's mess and with the Celtics, I don't think KP was what they needed...
As for the Cavs, they still are missing their biggest need a guy who can play the 3, shoot the 3, and defend the perimeter. The Knicks have 4 guys who can guard Garland and Mitchell, Cavs have none who can guard Brunson...
Cavs will have a good regular season record but come playoffs they will flame out again
I don't see the Cavs collapsing in the Playoffs again, the bigs played soft last year and I think Mobley and Okero will be better.
I wouldn't sleep on Brooklyn being better either. Miami figures it out and is dangerous when the playoffs start.
I think the Knicks will be the 4th-8th seed but to think you have to face either Boston or Bucks in the 2nd round ends any hope outside of injuries.
I am fine with another year of this roster and a playoff berth, hopeful for a playoff series win but I don't see it being sustainable long-term. NBA is a 6-8 team league the rest are practice players.
The problem is they are going to be too good to get a nice draft pick, and they don’t really want to overspend for the aging veteran FA.
Stay the course and use the assets wisely.
If you want to say Knicks are better than Heat right now, I won't fight you.
76ers are better than us. As are Cs & Bucks. This shouldn't be controversial.
Sorry man. But I’m not ignoring the fact that the Knicks bitch slapped the shit out of the Cavs when it counted most. There is no way in hell I’m buying that the Cavs are better than the Knicks. We all seen it with our own eyes. The Cavs couldn’t compete. They deserve absolutely no benefit of doubt there. The Knicks are superior to the Cavs until proven otherwise.
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I disagree about the Cavs. Regardless of last year's playoff result, Cleveland added Straus & Niang. They're better on paper.
If you want to say the Knicks are better than the Heat right now, I won't fight you.
The 76ers are better than us. As are Cs & Bucks. This shouldn't be controversial.
I am not saying the Knicks are better than the Sixers or Cs, I am simply saying I think the Knicks could have better records because of the Sixer's mess and with the Celtics, I don't think KP was what they needed...
As for the Cavs, they still are missing their biggest need a guy who can play the 3, shoot the 3, and defend the perimeter. The Knicks have 4 guys who can guard Garland and Mitchell, Cavs have none who can guard Brunson...
Cavs will have a good regular season record but come playoffs they will flame out again
I don't see the Cavs collapsing in the Playoffs again, the bigs played soft last year and I think Mobley and Okero will be better.
I wouldn't sleep on Brooklyn being better either. Miami figures it out and is dangerous when the playoffs start.
I think the Knicks will be the 4th-8th seed but to think you have to face either Boston or Bucks in the 2nd round ends any hope outside of injuries.
I am fine with another year of this roster and a playoff berth, hopeful for a playoff series win but I don't see it being sustainable long-term. NBA is a 6-8 team league the rest are practice players.
Cleveland is a soft team with their only periniter defendsr not being able to shoot the 3, they have 2 guards that want the ball and neither can defend and 2 bigs that cant shoot..
Miami lost their 3rd and 4th best player in the playoffs and now will habe to rely more heavily on Lowry who is old and cant stay healthy..
Brooklyn? seriously? the team Knicks blew out twice after their trades? Their highest paid player doesnt fit on their team, Bridges is very good but now teams will gameplan for him, lets see how he reacts when defense's are created to stop him
Why on earth would they do that? Unless they’re trading for Embiid the day after that, it makes no sense.
Its no secret i am not the biggest Rj fan but it would be hard for me to trade Rj for Holiday, although i think he does elevate this team and maybe even makes the pieces fit a tad better..
The defense would probably be the best in the keague if you add Holiday
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speculated on his podcast with Marks that maybe the Knicks go after Holiday with a package starting with RJ. I'd strongly consider that although trading RJ for a guy who's 10 years older would hurt. But maybe that helps to mitigate the number of picks you'd have to include. And then we'd have plus defenders all over the lineup aside from Brunson.
Why on earth would they do that? Unless they’re trading for Embiid the day after that, it makes no sense.
if they're prioritizing the short term it makes plenty of sense. They're a better team in 23/24 with Holiday instead of RJ. Of course there's other things to consider (age, draft equity, contracts, opportunity cost, etc.).
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speculated on his podcast with Marks that maybe the Knicks go after Holiday with a package starting with RJ. I'd strongly consider that although trading RJ for a guy who's 10 years older would hurt. But maybe that helps to mitigate the number of picks you'd have to include. And then we'd have plus defenders all over the lineup aside from Brunson.
Why on earth would they do that? Unless they’re trading for Embiid the day after that, it makes no sense.
if they're prioritizing the short term it makes plenty of sense. They're a better team in 23/24 with Holiday instead of RJ. Of course there's other things to consider (age, draft equity, contracts, opportunity cost, etc.).
What I meant by my previous comment is why would they be prioritizing the short term? They’re not going to win a championship just by adding Jrue Holiday. Why come off of their current timeline for a guy who doesn’t appreciably move the needle? If it’s the thing that leads to the thing, then fine.