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Why the defense needs to step up in 1 simple chart

Eric on Li : 9/27/2023 2:53 pm
only 1 team has lost more talent to injury on offense,
no team has lost less talent to injury on defense,




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Amelia Probst
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WAR lost to injuries split between offense and defense - I'd like to build on this by looking at the WAR lost per week.

Note: This does not include QBs.


imagine what miami could have been with ramsey. or what they would have done to denver with waddle.
nausea  
knowledgetimmons : 9/27/2023 2:59 pm : link
that's what this place gives me right now.

finding charts on twitter doesn't describe or prescribe what ails this team or defense.
We haven’t lost any of our mediocre  
gary_from_chester : 9/27/2023 3:01 pm : link
Defensive players….whooppee!

Glass half full - they can’t be this bad. The rookies will adjust and keep improving. Okereke will play up to expectations. KT will be more impactful. Sorry, McKinney has lost me so I’ve got nothing positive there. They need to step up because they’ve sucked bigtime to date. Trying to stay positive.
RE: nausea  
Eric on Li : 9/27/2023 3:03 pm : link
In comment 16223125 knowledgetimmons said:
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that's what this place gives me right now.

finding charts on twitter doesn't describe or prescribe what ails this team or defense.


interesting, you don't think fixing a defense allowing 28 pts+ every game so far is a prescription for winning more games?

last year they only allowed that many points 3x all season.
As a fan I want to win now  
CV36 : 9/27/2023 5:28 pm : link
When you March out two rooks at corner, one of which is a surprise to make the team, you are looking at winning in the future. They didn’t win the jobs in camp, they started out this summer that way and stayed the course. I don’t like losing but it’s their show. The next three games are likely losses. So there is a chance we are 1-5 or 2-4 before the schedule breaks some. BBI will implode then the team will start to win some games and then we will be contenders then we finish with the eagle twice that will either knock us out of the race or we squeak in. Either way we are not as bad as it seems and we are not as good as it seemed last year.
I was hoping for magic this year, but I now realize the truth of  
Marty in Albany : 9/27/2023 5:33 pm : link
what Dostoevsky wrote in "Crime and Punishment" that man must suffer in order to be redeemed and accepted. I think he would have been a good good Giants fan.

As a devout Russian Orthodox, old Fyodor was probably just mirroring what was already in his bible (Romans 818) about suffering and attaining future glory.
Aside from Dexy and Leo…  
JoeSchoens11 : 9/27/2023 5:35 pm : link
do we have anyone with a positive WAR value on D?
I thought this was going to be a simple chart!  
Ivan15 : 9/27/2023 6:05 pm : link
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Didn't need the chart  
HBart : 9/27/2023 8:10 pm : link
Outside Azeez, who we think is important puzzle piece but sine he's hardly played can't have any WAR impact, the D is healthy. Injuries aren't the defenses "excuse." The defense's excuse is the offense, along with rookies and new system players at key positions. All that aside, they shit the bed against Dallas -- nothing much to say there.

The D did a very good job in the first half against SF. With the score 10-3 they forced a turnover on downs on a huge sack by Williams, negated by a BS penalty. EVEN IF one feels it was a legitimate penalty by the rules (I don't), it's still a "shit happens" thing where a player made a textbook should have been hame changing big play.

Meanwhile the O is doing shit (with an injury excuse). contributing no scoring, no TOP; the only a bit of field position thanks to STs.

After the O finally scores, the D holds them to a FG with SF aided by a BS contact call.

By that time, travel, -TOP, and demoralizing lack of O and breaks gasses the D.

Totally explainable. Excusable even.
RE: RE: nausea  
knowledgetimmons : 9/27/2023 9:45 pm : link
EonLI…

Fair point, that never works. But I don’t see the 2009 CC Brown Sheridan defense at the moment. I see a team that is losing the TOP by a historic margin, and not scoring points, not making significant plays, and a negative turnover ratio. It’s not as simple as point a finger at Wink or KT or LW as many have recently have concluded.

Also, you’re like the 3rd post today which included a graph from Twitter. So, forgive me for being grumpy about graphs that tell no portion of the story and are extrapolated into grand reasons why this team is broken. I don’t blame you at all for looking for an answer. We won’t know anytime soon what is actually wrong with this team.
Was a definition of WAR given?  
ConsistentGiantFan : 9/27/2023 10:43 pm : link
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They haven't lost any players (except Azeez)  
Dave on the UWS : 9/28/2023 12:41 pm : link
on defense, they just stink. Either the players don't believe in Wink's system, or they are round pegs in square holes, or he's doing a crappy job of teaching his defense.
Or his defensive philosophies don't work anymore (possibly why the Ravens let him go?).
They haven't just been bad, they've been horrendous.
There's a good chance Miami, at home, will hand 70 on this defense. Then they play the Bills (on the road), a team capable of burning this defense also.
You know what the prerequisite is  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/28/2023 12:43 pm : link
for losing talent on defense, right?
RE: They haven't lost any players (except Azeez)  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/28/2023 12:46 pm : link
In comment 16223677 Dave on the UWS said:
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There's a good chance Miami, at home, will hand 70 on this defense.

There hadn't been a 70 spot rung up in nearly 60 years until this past week, but we're going to see a second one this year by the same team?

Do you offer a newsletter that I can subscribe to?
The fact that they needed to try to upgrade the defense  
bcinsd : 9/28/2023 8:44 pm : link
by trading late draft picks for 2 players who were gonna get cut by their respective teams, says a lot.
So if the Raiders are at 0,0  
BH28 : 9/28/2023 9:40 pm : link
Do the Cardinals have a negative WAR on offense?

Not understanding teams below 0.
RE: The fact that they needed to try to upgrade the defense  
HBart : 9/28/2023 10:19 pm : link
In comment 16223990 bcinsd said:
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by trading late draft picks for 2 players who were gonna get cut by their respective teams, says a lot.

What does it say? Shit like that happens everywhere all the time. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. In Simmons case his draft profiles -- where he was an all-pro rated prospect -- said he needed the right system to excel. He's been as advertised. If Wink's is it, as he thinks, score.

When other GMs pull moves like grabbing Simmons for next to noting I bet that's genius to you.
RE: RE: The fact that they needed to try to upgrade the defense  
bcinsd : 9/29/2023 2:21 am : link
In comment 16224075 HBart said:
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In comment 16223990 bcinsd said:


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by trading late draft picks for 2 players who were gonna get cut by their respective teams, says a lot.

It suggests (to me) that maybe they were very concerned about the talent on the D and that maybe they traded for him more out of desparation (kinda like Billy Price) rather than seeing something special in him. Simmons is not suddenly going to transform to an elite player; his draft pedigree is meaningless. If they only had to give up a 7th to get him, it tells me there wasn't a lot of competition to get him. Same for Basham.

Neither has shown much on the field. I'm not surprised. I hope I'm wrong and either one of them ends up being a significant improvement from what they already had.


What does it say? Shit like that happens everywhere all the time. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. In Simmons case his draft profiles -- where he was an all-pro rated prospect -- said he needed the right system to excel. He's been as advertised. If Wink's is it, as he thinks, score.

When other GMs pull moves like grabbing Simmons for next to noting I bet that's genius to you.
RE: RE: The fact that they needed to try to upgrade the defense  
bcinsd : 9/29/2023 2:25 am : link
In comment 16224075 HBart said:
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In comment 16223990 bcinsd said:


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by trading late draft picks for 2 players who were gonna get cut by their respective teams, says a lot.


What does it say? Shit like that happens everywhere all the time. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. In Simmons case his draft profiles -- where he was an all-pro rated prospect -- said he needed the right system to excel. He's been as advertised. If Wink's is it, as he thinks, score.

When other GMs pull moves like grabbing Simmons for next to noting I bet that's genius to you.



Sorry, messed up my first reply.

It suggests (to me) that maybe they were very concerned about the talent on the D and that maybe they traded for him more out of desparation (kinda like Billy Price) rather than seeing something special in him. Simmons is not suddenly going to transform to an elite player; his draft pedigree is meaningless. If they only had to give up a 7th to get him, it tells me there wasn't a lot of competition to get him. Same for Basham.

Neither has shown much on the field. I'm not surprised. I hope I'm wrong and either one of them ends up being a significant improvement from what they already had.
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