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Ron from Ninerland : 9/27/2023 6:05 pm
G. Cole. RHP
14-4
W-L
200.0
IP
2.75
ERA
4.52
SO/BB
1.02
WHIP

J. Berrios. RHP
11-11
W-L
183.2
IP
3.58
ERA
3.55
SO/BB
1.18
WHIP




Yankees
LINEUP AB H RBI HR AVG
1 D. LeMahieu 1B 482 117 44 15 .243
2 A. Judge RF 354 94 71 35 .266
3 G. Torres 2B 580 158 66 25 .272
4 G. Stanton DH 363 69 58 24 .190
5 E. Florial CF 44 10 7 0 .227
6 A. Volpe SS 523 108 60 21 .207
7 O. Cabrera LF 279 60 28 5 .215
8 O. Peraza 3B 157 31 14 2 .197
9 B. Rortvedt C 64 7 4 2 .109

Blue Jays
LINEUP AB H RBI HR AVG
1 G. Springer RF 595 153 71 21 .257
2 B. Bichette SS 550 167 71 20 .304
3 V. Guerrero 1B 586 155 94 26 .265
4 B. Belt DH 322 80 38 16 .248
5 C. Biggio 2B 272 62 36 9 .228
6 A. Kirk C 355 88 40 7 .248
7 M. Chapman 3B 494 119 52 15 .241
8 W. Merrifield LF 536 149 67 11 .278
9 K. Kiermaier CF 356 95 35 8 .267
The 2023 Yankees have been a dissapointment  
Ron from Ninerland : 9/27/2023 6:11 pm : link
but the 2023 Mets have been one of the most spectacular embarrassing failures in the history of professional sports.

And yet their fans on BBI have continued to post daily game threads. Yankee fans need to do the same. That's all I'm going to say.
Ron, Mets fans  
section125 : 9/27/2023 6:50 pm : link
are delusional.

I'd like to beat the snot out of them again.
RE: The 2023 Yankees have been a dissapointment  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/27/2023 7:03 pm : link
In comment 16223229 Ron from Ninerland said:
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but the 2023 Mets have been one of the most spectacular embarrassing failures in the history of professional sports.

And yet their fans on BBI have continued to post daily game threads. Yankee fans need to do the same. That's all I'm going to say.


The only thing worse than being bad is being boring. And outside of those glorious 2 weeks with El Marciano, the Yankees have been boring for a long time.
The threads have become too negative  
BigBlueShock : 9/27/2023 7:19 pm : link
Just a cesspool of the same cast of characters whining and bitching and demanding everyone be fired. The game threads are somehow worse than Giants game threads. I haven’t stopped following the team. But the game threads are exhausting so I’ve mostly avoided them
Cole pitching efficiently through 3  
xman : 9/27/2023 7:51 pm : link
30 pitches
RE: The threads have become too negative  
NJLCO : 9/27/2023 7:54 pm : link
In comment 16223262 BigBlueShock said:
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Just a cesspool of the same cast of characters whining and bitching and demanding everyone be fired. The game threads are somehow worse than Giants game threads. I haven’t stopped following the team. But the game threads are exhausting so I’ve mostly avoided them

Let’s be positive missing the playoffs and second lowest batting average in the MLB. Fans please don’t whine
RE: The threads have become too negative  
section125 : 9/27/2023 7:55 pm : link
In comment 16223262 BigBlueShock said:
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Just a cesspool of the same cast of characters whining and bitching and demanding everyone be fired. The game threads are somehow worse than Giants game threads. I haven’t stopped following the team. But the game threads are exhausting so I’ve mostly avoided them


Not untrue...
RE: RE: The threads have become too negative  
section125 : 9/27/2023 7:56 pm : link
In comment 16223278 NJLCO said:
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Just a cesspool of the same cast of characters whining and bitching and demanding everyone be fired. The game threads are somehow worse than Giants game threads. I haven’t stopped following the team. But the game threads are exhausting so I’ve mostly avoided them


Let’s be positive missing the playoffs and second lowest batting average in the MLB. Fans please don’t whine


Wonderfuckingful insight....
Wow they walk Judge and Torres to  
section125 : 9/27/2023 8:16 pm : link
get to Stanton who then hits a 2 run rbi single. And of course Torres makes a bad base running error. Worst base runner I have ever seen, I believe.

4-0
You really need to give Cole  
section125 : 9/27/2023 8:35 pm : link
credit. He struggled a bit when they took the sticky stuff away. Took about a year and a half for him to figure it out. This year he really has been outstanding. When they said he understands pitching, he has proven it.

(knock on wood - btw)
All Rise!  
section125 : 9/27/2023 8:42 pm : link
Judge goes WAY deep with his second 2 run homer. 6-0

18-9 since the end of August.  
bceagle05 : 9/27/2023 8:56 pm : link
On our way to 19-9 tonight. Sucks that it took so long to get rolling.
Someone today said  
section125 : 9/27/2023 9:02 pm : link
Volpe tries to pull too many balls. They are right. He needs to approach the ABs like Gleyber Torres - go with the pitch. Not that Gleyber always does it, but when he does he is a very dangerous batter.
Hell of a game for Cole  
ThreePoints : 9/27/2023 9:26 pm : link
Hell of a season. No doubt his Cy Young campaign.
Two hit CG shut out  
section125 : 9/27/2023 9:26 pm : link
by Cole.

6-0 beat down.
81-77.  
bceagle05 : 9/27/2023 9:29 pm : link
Averted the first losing season since 1992.
With that victory.  
Ron from Ninerland : 9/27/2023 9:30 pm : link
The Yankees will finish no lower than .500 and the Red Sox have clinched last place.
Cole’s best numbers were with Ben Rorschach catching him.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/27/2023 9:31 pm : link
Who would’ve thunk it??

Congrats on the Cy Young season.
RE: Cole’s best numbers were with Ben Rorschach catching him.  
section125 : 9/27/2023 9:33 pm : link
In comment 16223352 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Who would’ve thunk it??

Congrats on the Cy Young season.


Kind of irrelevant who caught him.
RE: RE: Cole’s best numbers were with Ben Rorschach catching him.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/27/2023 9:40 pm : link
In comment 16223358 section125 said:
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Who would’ve thunk it??

Congrats on the Cy Young season.



Kind of irrelevant who caught him.


A guy with very limited major league experience being the personal catcher for a Cy Young winner is interesting to me. And if the catcher was totally irrelevant, then Higgy or Wells would’ve been catching him since Trevy went down.
RE: RE: RE: Cole’s best numbers were with Ben Rorschach catching him.  
section125 : 9/27/2023 9:57 pm : link
In comment 16223363 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Who would’ve thunk it??

Congrats on the Cy Young season.



Kind of irrelevant who caught him.



A guy with very limited major league experience being the personal catcher for a Cy Young winner is interesting to me. And if the catcher was totally irrelevant, then Higgy or Wells would’ve been catching him since Trevy went down.


Because Cole wants to call his own game. Did you see him give Rortvedt the stink eye in the 8th inning? Pretty nasty look because I think Rortvedt called time before a pitch. BTW, Wells was still at AA when Trevino went down.

He will have a choice of Wells or Trevino next season. I think Higgy will be let go and Rortvedt to SWB after ST with a new vet catcher signed over the Winter to standby in SWB.
RE: Someone today said  
k2tampa : 9/27/2023 10:05 pm : link
In comment 16223336 section125 said:
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Volpe tries to pull too many balls. They are right. He needs to approach the ABs like Gleyber Torres - go with the pitch. Not that Gleyber always does it, but when he does he is a very dangerous batter.


His first move is always to pull off the ball. My guess is it started when he made adjustments during the COVID year to gain more power. I'd much rather have a guy who hits .280 with 15 HRs and a .380 OBP who steals 30 to 35 bags.
RE: 18-9 since the end of August.  
GeofromNJ : 9/27/2023 10:14 pm : link
In comment 16223334 bceagle05 said:
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On our way to 19-9 tonight. Sucks that it took so long to get rolling.

Judge's absence killed the Yankees. And it should not have taken three months to figure out that Rizzo was not seeing the ball following his concussion. The good news is, the Yanks are likely to finish above .500, so the streak will extend to 32 consecutive years.
Feel-Good End to the Season  
GruningsOnTheHill : 9/27/2023 10:16 pm : link
A few weeks ago I thought it was a foregone conclusion that the 30-year winning-season streak would be broken, but they've gone 16-8 this month to turn it around. I've always said I'd rather watch the Yankees lose with AAA call-ups hustling out there than with Josh Donaldson fat-cats going through the motions, and these last couple of weeks have been great.

Hopefully they can "clinch" the winning season tomorrow, but if not, they will need one of three in Kansas City. The Royals are pretty bad, but they too are finishing strong after having won 8 of their last 10.
Injuries wrecked this season  
Greg from LI : 9/27/2023 11:41 pm : link
Decent start, nice finish, horrendous middle.

Also, if you think Torres is the worst base runner you’ve ever seen, your memories of Jorge Posada are clearly dimming. For all the great things he could do, running the bases was not one of them.
RE: Injuries wrecked this season  
section125 : 9/28/2023 5:46 am : link
In comment 16223419 Greg from LI said:
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Decent start, nice finish, horrendous middle.

Also, if you think Torres is the worst base runner you’ve ever seen, your memories of Jorge Posada are clearly dimming. For all the great things he could do, running the bases was not one of them.


Jorge was slow. Torres is fast enough, he just makes the dumbest decisions and runs himself into outs. Way to aggressive. Can't remember Jorge doing that, but....
Have to agree with Greg here  
arniefez : 9/28/2023 10:11 am : link
Torres has a way to go catch Posada for worst Yankees base runner that I've seen.
Jorge was slow as molasses AND made awful decisions  
Greg from LI : 9/28/2023 11:21 am : link
I can remember him repeatedly getting thrown out at second by 10+ feet trying to stretch singles into doubles.

I know a lot of people pooh-pooh nontraditional stats, but....B-R has a baserunning stat that rates a player's +/- over an average baserunner. Torres is -4 for his career, with a bad year this year at -3.

Posada was -34 for his career and averaged -3 per season. He was -6 in 2001.
RE: Jorge was slow as molasses AND made awful decisions  
Matt M. : 9/28/2023 11:52 am : link
In comment 16223615 Greg from LI said:
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I can remember him repeatedly getting thrown out at second by 10+ feet trying to stretch singles into doubles.

I know a lot of people pooh-pooh nontraditional stats, but....B-R has a baserunning stat that rates a player's +/- over an average baserunner. Torres is -4 for his career, with a bad year this year at -3.

Posada was -34 for his career and averaged -3 per season. He was -6 in 2001.
Slow is one thing. There is little you can do about it. But, Posada made dumb decisions on the bases often.

On the flip side, Bernie was fast as Hell, but also a terrible baserunner and worse base stealer.
I put Torres right up there  
Matt M. : 9/28/2023 11:57 am : link
because his issues are 2 fold. One is bad decisions and the other is lack of effort at times. He is frustrating, because there are times where he seems to have very good instincts and can look dynamic, both in the field and on the bases. then there are not just isolated incidents, but stretches where he jogs, doesn't know how many outs, etc.

Personally, I would be fine parting ways with him because it's been long enough where the month long hot streak that makes everyone think he finally "gets it" is just not enough to counter the equally as long times where he can't hit, tries to hit a HR every swing, etc. He is an uber talented player who only finishes as a good player. He can be so much more, but doesn't seem inclined to do so.

The problem is Peraza has struggled in this audition and doesn't instill much confidence for next year to be penciled in at either 2b or 3B.
COuld Yanks Make Bold Move in Infield?  
LTIsTheGreatest : 9/28/2023 1:08 pm : link
Peraza is clearly the better defensive player at SS. WOuld they consider trading Torres this offseason (perhaps in a Soto deal), moving Volpe to 2nd and installing Peraza at SS next year. Theyd then have to find a 3rd baseman either by trade or free agency. Clearly theyd be stronger defensively with Peraza at SS and Volpe at 2nd
why wouldn't you just keep Torres at 3b?  
Greg from LI : 9/28/2023 1:54 pm : link
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RE: I put Torres right up there  
k2tampa : 9/28/2023 2:06 pm : link
In comment 16223644 Matt M. said:
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because his issues are 2 fold. One is bad decisions and the other is lack of effort at times. He is frustrating, because there are times where he seems to have very good instincts and can look dynamic, both in the field and on the bases. then there are not just isolated incidents, but stretches where he jogs, doesn't know how many outs, etc.

Personally, I would be fine parting ways with him because it's been long enough where the month long hot streak that makes everyone think he finally "gets it" is just not enough to counter the equally as long times where he can't hit, tries to hit a HR every swing, etc. He is an uber talented player who only finishes as a good player. He can be so much more, but doesn't seem inclined to do so.

The problem is Peraza has struggled in this audition and doesn't instill much confidence for next year to be penciled in at either 2b or 3B.


Gotta love NY fans. One guy has "struggled", but some Yankees fans think the other should be considered for rookie of the year. One is 23, one is 22.

Peraza has hit .220 in 209 at bats over two seasons with 5 HRs. After starting slowly last year, he hit .306 in 49 ABs.

After 209 ABs, Volpe was hitting .188 with 8 HRs. After 527 ABs he is still hitting only .207.
LTs the answer is no  
arniefez : 9/28/2023 2:23 pm : link
unless someone else is in charge of baseball operations. So the answer is no. Volpe will stay at SS as long as Cashman has the final vote.

I am very much in favor of the Yankees selling high on Torres but only if they bring back a piece that is equal in value and fills a hole. This year Torres's a 3 WAR player with a 118 OPS+. If they can trade him for a 3 WAR player with a 118 OPS+ that hits left handed and can be an average glove at 3B or LF that would fill a big hole and I think they have options on their 40 man that could cover 2B at a low salary which matters since Hal has his own personal salary cap.

I think this winter is the time to move Torres. If they don't they'll either have to pay him big money or let him walk when 2024 ends.
RE: RE: I put Torres right up there  
Matt M. : 9/28/2023 2:35 pm : link
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because his issues are 2 fold. One is bad decisions and the other is lack of effort at times. He is frustrating, because there are times where he seems to have very good instincts and can look dynamic, both in the field and on the bases. then there are not just isolated incidents, but stretches where he jogs, doesn't know how many outs, etc.

Personally, I would be fine parting ways with him because it's been long enough where the month long hot streak that makes everyone think he finally "gets it" is just not enough to counter the equally as long times where he can't hit, tries to hit a HR every swing, etc. He is an uber talented player who only finishes as a good player. He can be so much more, but doesn't seem inclined to do so.

The problem is Peraza has struggled in this audition and doesn't instill much confidence for next year to be penciled in at either 2b or 3B.



Gotta love NY fans. One guy has "struggled", but some Yankees fans think the other should be considered for rookie of the year. One is 23, one is 22.

Peraza has hit .220 in 209 at bats over two seasons with 5 HRs. After starting slowly last year, he hit .306 in 49 ABs.

After 209 ABs, Volpe was hitting .188 with 8 HRs. After 527 ABs he is still hitting only .207.
I hope you're not insinuating that love Volpe. There's still a ton of baseball ahead of him, but I have not been enamored so far, like so many fans. He stepped in line with the organizational approach of HR or nothing and that's what he's given us. I would rather he not hit 20 HRs, but rather bat 75 to 100 points higher. With his speed, he should be a legit leadoff option instead of bouncing around.

I really wish Peraza hit even a little this call-up. Unfortunately, I think he would need to blow Cashman's socks off to unseat Volpe. I think the Yankees, like too many fans, just want Volpe to be Jeter 2.0 too badly to be smart about him.

In my opinion, Peraza should have been starting at SS last July instead of allowing IKF to continue to suck. Then we would have had a real look at him, the better defensive option of the 2 kids. At that time Donaldson was also hurt, I think, so IKF could have slid to 3B, which is where he actually won his Gold Glove. I hate how people pointed to him as a Gold Glove winner to defend him at SS, when he won the GG at 3B. I also wish Peraza showed anything at the MLB level this Spring or now. Without that, I don't think they actually even consider him at SS and maybe not anywhere else .

This disparity in perception of the callups also extends in a bigger way to Florial. He's starting to hit, his K rate is down, yet he's still treated like a pariah. For all of Volpe's HRs that get people excited, and Florial's lack of power so far this year, Florial's SLG is significantly higher and his OBA is significantly higher. If nothing else, he should at least be seriously considered for CF next year, as Dominguez won't be ready to start the year. If they can't give him a shot now, they should do him a favor and DFA him so he can opt for FA.
RE: RE: RE: I put Torres right up there  
k2tampa : 9/28/2023 3:21 pm : link
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because his issues are 2 fold. One is bad decisions and the other is lack of effort at times. He is frustrating, because there are times where he seems to have very good instincts and can look dynamic, both in the field and on the bases. then there are not just isolated incidents, but stretches where he jogs, doesn't know how many outs, etc.

Personally, I would be fine parting ways with him because it's been long enough where the month long hot streak that makes everyone think he finally "gets it" is just not enough to counter the equally as long times where he can't hit, tries to hit a HR every swing, etc. He is an uber talented player who only finishes as a good player. He can be so much more, but doesn't seem inclined to do so.

The problem is Peraza has struggled in this audition and doesn't instill much confidence for next year to be penciled in at either 2b or 3B.



Gotta love NY fans. One guy has "struggled", but some Yankees fans think the other should be considered for rookie of the year. One is 23, one is 22.

Peraza has hit .220 in 209 at bats over two seasons with 5 HRs. After starting slowly last year, he hit .306 in 49 ABs.

After 209 ABs, Volpe was hitting .188 with 8 HRs. After 527 ABs he is still hitting only .207.

I hope you're not insinuating that love Volpe. There's still a ton of baseball ahead of him, but I have not been enamored so far, like so many fans. He stepped in line with the organizational approach of HR or nothing and that's what he's given us. I would rather he not hit 20 HRs, but rather bat 75 to 100 points higher. With his speed, he should be a legit leadoff option instead of bouncing around.

I really wish Peraza hit even a little this call-up. Unfortunately, I think he would need to blow Cashman's socks off to unseat Volpe. I think the Yankees, like too many fans, just want Volpe to be Jeter 2.0 too badly to be smart about him.

In my opinion, Peraza should have been starting at SS last July instead of allowing IKF to continue to suck. Then we would have had a real look at him, the better defensive option of the 2 kids. At that time Donaldson was also hurt, I think, so IKF could have slid to 3B, which is where he actually won his Gold Glove. I hate how people pointed to him as a Gold Glove winner to defend him at SS, when he won the GG at 3B. I also wish Peraza showed anything at the MLB level this Spring or now. Without that, I don't think they actually even consider him at SS and maybe not anywhere else .

This disparity in perception of the callups also extends in a bigger way to Florial. He's starting to hit, his K rate is down, yet he's still treated like a pariah. For all of Volpe's HRs that get people excited, and Florial's lack of power so far this year, Florial's SLG is significantly higher and his OBA is significantly higher. If nothing else, he should at least be seriously considered for CF next year, as Dominguez won't be ready to start the year. If they can't give him a shot now, they should do him a favor and DFA him so he can opt for FA.


Was just making a general comment on NY fans and their lack of patience unless it's for a beloved son of NYC/Jeter wannabe.

I agree with everything you said about Volpe. Hitting .280 with 10 HRs and a .380 OBP would be much better than what he's doing now. His first movement of flying open is nothing but the desire to hit home runs. And the laughable story about the veal parm dinner and Wells telling him to close his stance was silly. He closed his stance but didn't improve until he moved closer to the plate (his front foot is now on the line of the batters box). That helped him, but only for a short time. He had an 8-game stretch where he went 15 for 31. Then he went right back to hitting .200 to .210.

Peraza has been a slow starter in every season, and with every call up at every level. Give him 500 at bats like Volpe and he'll hit. That 440 foot home run into the wind the other day was incredible.

And yes, the way they treated Florial was insane. He was one of the top 5 HR hitters in AAA all year. Yes, he should be in the mix, but he is a free agent. Why would he come back after being left in SWB all year while they desperately needed a leftfielder and they opted to go with Bauer, McKinney and Cordero, all worse outfielders who had failed with at least three other organizations.

All anyone could figure was he wasn't on the 40 so they wouldn't be able to send him back down. So what, he can leave at the end of the year anyway. And he if plays well, you cut lose Bauer or McKinney. Wouldn't that have been a problem? DFA'ing him to add Cordero was just one more insane move by Cashman. Yes, Cordero can hit the ball 440 feet - once a month. I call it the Urshela complex. They turned him into a good hitter (everyone called Cashman a genius for that) so he wants to keep doing it over and over to get the accolades.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I put Torres right up there  
Matt M. : 9/28/2023 3:30 pm : link
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because his issues are 2 fold. One is bad decisions and the other is lack of effort at times. He is frustrating, because there are times where he seems to have very good instincts and can look dynamic, both in the field and on the bases. then there are not just isolated incidents, but stretches where he jogs, doesn't know how many outs, etc.

Personally, I would be fine parting ways with him because it's been long enough where the month long hot streak that makes everyone think he finally "gets it" is just not enough to counter the equally as long times where he can't hit, tries to hit a HR every swing, etc. He is an uber talented player who only finishes as a good player. He can be so much more, but doesn't seem inclined to do so.

The problem is Peraza has struggled in this audition and doesn't instill much confidence for next year to be penciled in at either 2b or 3B.



Gotta love NY fans. One guy has "struggled", but some Yankees fans think the other should be considered for rookie of the year. One is 23, one is 22.

Peraza has hit .220 in 209 at bats over two seasons with 5 HRs. After starting slowly last year, he hit .306 in 49 ABs.

After 209 ABs, Volpe was hitting .188 with 8 HRs. After 527 ABs he is still hitting only .207.

I hope you're not insinuating that love Volpe. There's still a ton of baseball ahead of him, but I have not been enamored so far, like so many fans. He stepped in line with the organizational approach of HR or nothing and that's what he's given us. I would rather he not hit 20 HRs, but rather bat 75 to 100 points higher. With his speed, he should be a legit leadoff option instead of bouncing around.

I really wish Peraza hit even a little this call-up. Unfortunately, I think he would need to blow Cashman's socks off to unseat Volpe. I think the Yankees, like too many fans, just want Volpe to be Jeter 2.0 too badly to be smart about him.

In my opinion, Peraza should have been starting at SS last July instead of allowing IKF to continue to suck. Then we would have had a real look at him, the better defensive option of the 2 kids. At that time Donaldson was also hurt, I think, so IKF could have slid to 3B, which is where he actually won his Gold Glove. I hate how people pointed to him as a Gold Glove winner to defend him at SS, when he won the GG at 3B. I also wish Peraza showed anything at the MLB level this Spring or now. Without that, I don't think they actually even consider him at SS and maybe not anywhere else .

This disparity in perception of the callups also extends in a bigger way to Florial. He's starting to hit, his K rate is down, yet he's still treated like a pariah. For all of Volpe's HRs that get people excited, and Florial's lack of power so far this year, Florial's SLG is significantly higher and his OBA is significantly higher. If nothing else, he should at least be seriously considered for CF next year, as Dominguez won't be ready to start the year. If they can't give him a shot now, they should do him a favor and DFA him so he can opt for FA.



Was just making a general comment on NY fans and their lack of patience unless it's for a beloved son of NYC/Jeter wannabe.

I agree with everything you said about Volpe. Hitting .280 with 10 HRs and a .380 OBP would be much better than what he's doing now. His first movement of flying open is nothing but the desire to hit home runs. And the laughable story about the veal parm dinner and Wells telling him to close his stance was silly. He closed his stance but didn't improve until he moved closer to the plate (his front foot is now on the line of the batters box). That helped him, but only for a short time. He had an 8-game stretch where he went 15 for 31. Then he went right back to hitting .200 to .210.

Peraza has been a slow starter in every season, and with every call up at every level. Give him 500 at bats like Volpe and he'll hit. That 440 foot home run into the wind the other day was incredible.

And yes, the way they treated Florial was insane. He was one of the top 5 HR hitters in AAA all year. Yes, he should be in the mix, but he is a free agent. Why would he come back after being left in SWB all year while they desperately needed a leftfielder and they opted to go with Bauer, McKinney and Cordero, all worse outfielders who had failed with at least three other organizations.

All anyone could figure was he wasn't on the 40 so they wouldn't be able to send him back down. So what, he can leave at the end of the year anyway. And he if plays well, you cut lose Bauer or McKinney. Wouldn't that have been a problem? DFA'ing him to add Cordero was just one more insane move by Cashman. Yes, Cordero can hit the ball 440 feet - once a month. I call it the Urshela complex. They turned him into a good hitter (everyone called Cashman a genius for that) so he wants to keep doing it over and over to get the accolades.
That adjustment by Volpe didn't last long because it didn't really fix his mechanics or pitch recognition. It moved him in the box and closed off, which is fine...until pitchers adjust right back. He still isn't recognizing the breaking pitch well and closing off isn't a long term solution if your desire is to jump at the pitch to try to mash it.

As it was explained to me here the other day, Florial is not a FA. He is still under team control now that he's on the 26 man roster. If he is moved from the roster, he must be DFA at which time he can opt for FA. I think I got that right, but basically, he either makes the roster or becomes a FA, most likely. With Dominguez on the shelf, they'd be nuts not to keep him and play him in CF.

I agree on Peraza. They treated him similarly to Florial, even though he was considered the more complete prospect at SS.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I put Torres right up there  
k2tampa : 9/28/2023 5:00 pm : link
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In comment 16223644 Matt M. said:


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because his issues are 2 fold. One is bad decisions and the other is lack of effort at times. He is frustrating, because there are times where he seems to have very good instincts and can look dynamic, both in the field and on the bases. then there are not just isolated incidents, but stretches where he jogs, doesn't know how many outs, etc.

Personally, I would be fine parting ways with him because it's been long enough where the month long hot streak that makes everyone think he finally "gets it" is just not enough to counter the equally as long times where he can't hit, tries to hit a HR every swing, etc. He is an uber talented player who only finishes as a good player. He can be so much more, but doesn't seem inclined to do so.

The problem is Peraza has struggled in this audition and doesn't instill much confidence for next year to be penciled in at either 2b or 3B.



Gotta love NY fans. One guy has "struggled", but some Yankees fans think the other should be considered for rookie of the year. One is 23, one is 22.

Peraza has hit .220 in 209 at bats over two seasons with 5 HRs. After starting slowly last year, he hit .306 in 49 ABs.

After 209 ABs, Volpe was hitting .188 with 8 HRs. After 527 ABs he is still hitting only .207.

I hope you're not insinuating that love Volpe. There's still a ton of baseball ahead of him, but I have not been enamored so far, like so many fans. He stepped in line with the organizational approach of HR or nothing and that's what he's given us. I would rather he not hit 20 HRs, but rather bat 75 to 100 points higher. With his speed, he should be a legit leadoff option instead of bouncing around.

I really wish Peraza hit even a little this call-up. Unfortunately, I think he would need to blow Cashman's socks off to unseat Volpe. I think the Yankees, like too many fans, just want Volpe to be Jeter 2.0 too badly to be smart about him.

In my opinion, Peraza should have been starting at SS last July instead of allowing IKF to continue to suck. Then we would have had a real look at him, the better defensive option of the 2 kids. At that time Donaldson was also hurt, I think, so IKF could have slid to 3B, which is where he actually won his Gold Glove. I hate how people pointed to him as a Gold Glove winner to defend him at SS, when he won the GG at 3B. I also wish Peraza showed anything at the MLB level this Spring or now. Without that, I don't think they actually even consider him at SS and maybe not anywhere else .

This disparity in perception of the callups also extends in a bigger way to Florial. He's starting to hit, his K rate is down, yet he's still treated like a pariah. For all of Volpe's HRs that get people excited, and Florial's lack of power so far this year, Florial's SLG is significantly higher and his OBA is significantly higher. If nothing else, he should at least be seriously considered for CF next year, as Dominguez won't be ready to start the year. If they can't give him a shot now, they should do him a favor and DFA him so he can opt for FA.



Was just making a general comment on NY fans and their lack of patience unless it's for a beloved son of NYC/Jeter wannabe.

I agree with everything you said about Volpe. Hitting .280 with 10 HRs and a .380 OBP would be much better than what he's doing now. His first movement of flying open is nothing but the desire to hit home runs. And the laughable story about the veal parm dinner and Wells telling him to close his stance was silly. He closed his stance but didn't improve until he moved closer to the plate (his front foot is now on the line of the batters box). That helped him, but only for a short time. He had an 8-game stretch where he went 15 for 31. Then he went right back to hitting .200 to .210.

Peraza has been a slow starter in every season, and with every call up at every level. Give him 500 at bats like Volpe and he'll hit. That 440 foot home run into the wind the other day was incredible.

And yes, the way they treated Florial was insane. He was one of the top 5 HR hitters in AAA all year. Yes, he should be in the mix, but he is a free agent. Why would he come back after being left in SWB all year while they desperately needed a leftfielder and they opted to go with Bauer, McKinney and Cordero, all worse outfielders who had failed with at least three other organizations.

All anyone could figure was he wasn't on the 40 so they wouldn't be able to send him back down. So what, he can leave at the end of the year anyway. And he if plays well, you cut lose Bauer or McKinney. Wouldn't that have been a problem? DFA'ing him to add Cordero was just one more insane move by Cashman. Yes, Cordero can hit the ball 440 feet - once a month. I call it the Urshela complex. They turned him into a good hitter (everyone called Cashman a genius for that) so he wants to keep doing it over and over to get the accolades.

That adjustment by Volpe didn't last long because it didn't really fix his mechanics or pitch recognition. It moved him in the box and closed off, which is fine...until pitchers adjust right back. He still isn't recognizing the breaking pitch well and closing off isn't a long term solution if your desire is to jump at the pitch to try to mash it.

As it was explained to me here the other day, Florial is not a FA. He is still under team control now that he's on the 26 man roster. If he is moved from the roster, he must be DFA at which time he can opt for FA. I think I got that right, but basically, he either makes the roster or becomes a FA, most likely. With Dominguez on the shelf, they'd be nuts not to keep him and play him in CF.

I agree on Peraza. They treated him similarly to Florial, even though he was considered the more complete prospect at SS.


Duh, you're right, brain fart. He's on a major league contract now (Florial). I was so locked into him being buried in SWB I didn't think. :)
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