it is disgracefully old and bad (i think it is still made out of clay pipes from like 150 years ago) so everytime you get a huge amount of rain something like this happens--when you get a once in every ten year 4 inches of rain in like 7 hours you get what you get today which is a total collapse of the system.
it is disgracefully old and bad (i think it is still made out of clay pipes from like 150 years ago) so everytime you get a huge amount of rain something like this happens--when you get a once in every ten year 4 inches of rain in like 7 hours you get what you get today which is a total collapse of the system.
Sure, but this also happened a few years ago. Time to do something about it.
it is disgracefully old and bad (i think it is still made out of clay pipes from like 150 years ago) so everytime you get a huge amount of rain something like this happens--when you get a once in every ten year 4 inches of rain in like 7 hours you get what you get today which is a total collapse of the system.
Sure, but this also happened a few years ago. Time to do something about it.
Four inches of rain in one morning? It ain't the pipes. No place could handle that much rain without this type of flooding, especially a place that is all concrete. And the high tide was just before 9, making it even worse. Nowhere for the water to go.
also heard Craig Allen on news88 say its a full moon day
it is disgracefully old and bad (i think it is still made out of clay pipes from like 150 years ago) so everytime you get a huge amount of rain something like this happens--when you get a once in every ten year 4 inches of rain in like 7 hours you get what you get today which is a total collapse of the system.
Sure, but this also happened a few years ago. Time to do something about it.
Four inches of rain in one morning? It ain't the pipes. No place could handle that much rain without this type of flooding, especially a place that is all concrete. And the high tide was just before 9, making it even worse. Nowhere for the water to go.
It is a combination of everything, but the pipes are really bad and as Mike from SI said, it happened in a less severe way two years ago around Labor Day. I am in Park Slope nowhere near the water and it is like a river at the end of the slope. This is bad infrastructure meeting catastrophic rain. Would there be flooding with good infrastructure--yes, would places like Park Slope that is so far from the water get it as bad as it is today with better infrastructure, probably not.
is at a near standstill. The same truck has been out my window (yes I have a gorgeous view) for over 10 whole minutes. Dude looks like he's on his phone and moves a few inches every minute or two.
I'm moving at some point in the next year or two and I'm definitely taking flooding into account when I choose a neighborhood. I had friends in Lower Manhattan who were out of their apartments for months post Sandy; I'm not doing that.
I've seen plans for storm surge barriers and even a plan to extend Manhattan to protect it from surges.
I believe this flooding is caused by high rainfall combined with the ground already being saturated from last week's storm. There isn't excess capacity to take care of the water.
Four inches of rain in one morning? It ain't the pipes. No place could handle that much rain without this type of flooding, especially a place that is all concrete. And the high tide was just before 9, making it even worse. Nowhere for the water to go.
Exactly, it's a combination of the intensity of the rainfall and the impermeability of so much of the city's surface. So little rain can get absorbed into the ground here, so...
super saturated after Ophelia last weekend. So this heavy rain has no where to go but pool and accumulate.
Sewer systems, etc were not designed for this type of extreme weather. Things like this will become more common place.
I work in mid Westchester and live in NJ on the river. Getting home tonight is problematic- at best.
Took me an 1:30 to get from Roslyn to LGA which is normal a 25 minute drive. The sitting water was crazy close to LGA.
1:15pm flight was cancelled and now booked on a 4:30 flight, the rumor is terminal A is flooded I am in terminal C and hoping for the best
Took me an 1:30 to get from Roslyn to LGA which is normal a 25 minute drive. The sitting water was crazy close to LGA.
1:15pm flight was cancelled and now booked on a 4:30 flight, the rumor is terminal A is flooded I am in terminal C and hoping for the best
Good luck Larry. I have had a friend sitting on the tarmac for over an hour on a flight back into the city, but it sounds like they're ready to go soon. I think it's supposed to calm down to more normal rain the rest of the day.
LGA is definitely flooded, hopefully you’ll get out ok
when it would rain hard the cars on the other side would splash the cars going the opposite direction and have like a big wave/ waterfall like effect.
Now you could not drive to work under 3 hours because there were a million cops blocking large puddles and whole entrances and exits blocked off. State of emegergency??? It rained really hard!! Instead of Bib Brother we have got Big Mother to protect us...pff.
when it would rain hard the cars on the other side would splash the cars going the opposite direction and have like a big wave/ waterfall like effect.
Now you could not drive to work under 3 hours because there were a million cops blocking large puddles and whole entrances and exits blocked off. State of emegergency??? It rained really hard!! Instead of Bib Brother we have got Big Mother to protect us...pff.
Are you insane? Cars are flooded out. This isn't just rain. Good lord.
when it would rain hard the cars on the other side would splash the cars going the opposite direction and have like a big wave/ waterfall like effect.
Now you could not drive to work under 3 hours because there were a million cops blocking large puddles and whole entrances and exits blocked off. State of emegergency??? It rained really hard!! Instead of Bib Brother we have got Big Mother to protect us...pff.
Are you insane? Cars are flooded out. This isn't just rain. Good lord.
That is not what I saw and I have been outside in a car since 9:00 am in 2 different boroughs.
when it would rain hard the cars on the other side would splash the cars going the opposite direction and have like a big wave/ waterfall like effect.
Now you could not drive to work under 3 hours because there were a million cops blocking large puddles and whole entrances and exits blocked off. State of emegergency??? It rained really hard!! Instead of Bib Brother we have got Big Mother to protect us...pff.
Are you insane? Cars are flooded out. This isn't just rain. Good lord.
That is not what I saw and I have been outside in a car since 9:00 am in 2 different boroughs.
You must not have seen any of the videos posted from the city today.
Metro North was suspended because the tracks were under water. Subways and streets flooded. Cars with water up to the windows when even 6" to 1' of water can move cars.
How dare they prevent people from flooded roadways and not waste emergency resources from saving people, seemingly like yourself
when it would rain hard the cars on the other side would splash the cars going the opposite direction and have like a big wave/ waterfall like effect.
Now you could not drive to work under 3 hours because there were a million cops blocking large puddles and whole entrances and exits blocked off. State of emegergency??? It rained really hard!! Instead of Bib Brother we have got Big Mother to protect us...pff.
Are you insane? Cars are flooded out. This isn't just rain. Good lord.
That is not what I saw and I have been outside in a car since 9:00 am in 2 different boroughs.
You must not have seen any of the videos posted from the city today.
Metro North was suspended because the tracks were under water. Subways and streets flooded. Cars with water up to the windows when even 6" to 1' of water can move cars.
How dare they prevent people from flooded roadways and not waste emergency resources from saving people, seemingly like yourself
Full moon, bad wind and tidal issues in conjunction with rainfall clogged storm drains and water had nowhere to go. It has happened before it will happen again. I remember taking postman to homes in a boat in Larchmont
https://twitter.com/i/status/1707770997632295270
looks really bad
The first video is not far from me and 1 block from where my daughter was in school last year. I live a couple of blocks from the cargo piers in Brooklyn, but no flooding (thank G-d)!
The streets around my office in LIC were expectedly flooded
b/c they are backed up with any rain. But, they were nothing remotely close to what happened in that video above. When I got to work, it was another story. Maintenance guys were using squeegees to push water out of the first floor to the loading dock. The basement was flooding and bathrooms on the 2nd floor next to my office water spouting water to the ceiling.
I left at 12:30, avoided the BQE, which was flooding and at a stand stil. It took me 2 hours to get near home, at which time I had to divert to the Brooklyn Bridge to pick up my son. All the subways near his school were shut down.
On Todt Hill on Staten Island. After Sandy they tried to sell him flood insurance. He said no if my house floods the world is over anyway. Todt Hill is 400 feet above sea level. I miss Staten Island at times not Manhattan.
I had planned for some golf today, but go rained out. Now
--Five to eight inches of rain fell in a 12-hour period. Some of that fell at more than an inch per hour at times. The NYC sewer system completely floods if it rains at a higher rate than 1.5 inches per hour; it is unable to handle the water flow/runoff created by any higher rainfall rate.
--We already had 8 inches of rain or so in September before this event, so the ground was waterlogged.
--The usual low-lying areas flooded because water always flows downhill or down a slope, as we know. Any area between two hills or inclines became submerged at the height of the storm. This also includes highways that go through valleys or swales like the Cross Bronx. Five to eight inches of water becomes feet of water when collected in a valley or highway passing under another highway.
--The rail switches that control Metro-North service out of Manhattan in the South Bronx were underwater. The rail switches I believe are near Yankee Stadium and we know that is low land (the area around Yankee Stadium was originally marshy)
--New York is mostly covered by concrete and buildings. Concrete has far less permeability than dirt/soil (even clay, which is the least permeable soil). Once concrete becomes wet even a small amount of water will simply run off to lower ground.
--The heaviest rain fell in more flood-prone areas like coastal Queens and Brooklyn. JFK set its 24-hour rainfall record.
--Most of the underground subway system infrastructure is over 100 years old and it was not built to handle climate change leading to heavier rainstorms (the atmosphere is approximately 5-8% wetter than it was 100 years ago).
--Five to eight inches of rain fell in a 12-hour period. Some of that fell at more than an inch per hour at times. The NYC sewer system completely floods if it rains at a higher rate than 1.5 inches per hour; it is unable to handle the water flow/runoff created by any higher rainfall rate.
--We already had 8 inches of rain or so in September before this event, so the ground was waterlogged.
--The usual low-lying areas flooded because water always flows downhill or down a slope, as we know. Any area between two hills or inclines became submerged at the height of the storm. This also includes highways that go through valleys or swales like the Cross Bronx. Five to eight inches of water becomes feet of water when collected in a valley or highway passing under another highway.
--The rail switches that control Metro-North service out of Manhattan in the South Bronx were underwater. The rail switches I believe are near Yankee Stadium and we know that is low land (the area around Yankee Stadium was originally marshy)
--New York is mostly covered by concrete and buildings. Concrete has far less permeability than dirt/soil (even clay, which is the least permeable soil). Once concrete becomes wet even a small amount of water will simply run off to lower ground.
--The heaviest rain fell in more flood-prone areas like coastal Queens and Brooklyn. JFK set its 24-hour rainfall record.
--Most of the underground subway system infrastructure is over 100 years old and it was not built to handle climate change leading to heavier rainstorms (the atmosphere is approximately 5-8% wetter than it was 100 years ago).
Thanks for the explanation!
RE: RE: RE: In all honesty it is NYC's sewer system
it is disgracefully old and bad (i think it is still made out of clay pipes from like 150 years ago) so everytime you get a huge amount of rain something like this happens--when you get a once in every ten year 4 inches of rain in like 7 hours you get what you get today which is a total collapse of the system.
Sure, but this also happened a few years ago. Time to do something about it.
Four inches of rain in one morning? It ain't the pipes. No place could handle that much rain without this type of flooding, especially a place that is all concrete. And the high tide was just before 9, making it even worse. Nowhere for the water to go.
Maybe no CITY. Had that type of rain couple months back. I'm on 4.5 acres, central jersey. I guess if I concreted the entire lot like NYC, I'd probably get flooding too.
In comment 16224367 ColHowPepper said:
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1707770997632295270
looks really bad/////
The first video is not far from me and 1 block from where my daughter was in school last year. I live a couple of blocks from the cargo piers in Brooklyn, but no flooding (thank G-d)!
Matt M, hope all safe and sound for you guys. My daughter lives in Bushwick and said it was pretty damn sodden. She's in a 3rd floor walk-up, so her ap't prolly ok, but how does one walk a dog in those conditions??
In comment 16224367 ColHowPepper said:
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1707770997632295270
looks really bad/////
The first video is not far from me and 1 block from where my daughter was in school last year. I live a couple of blocks from the cargo piers in Brooklyn, but no flooding (thank G-d)!
Matt M, hope all safe and sound for you guys. My daughter lives in Bushwick and said it was pretty damn sodden. She's in a 3rd floor walk-up, so her ap't prolly ok, but how does one walk a dog in those conditions??
Thanks Mike. All is good here. No flooding here and picking my son up ws the righbt move. Everybody is safe and sound.
Subways closed/delayed... New Haven line on the Metro North delayed/suspended. Some highways closed in the city...
I wouldn't go out unless you had to
Northbound Hudson Line service will originate at Yankees-E-153 St.
Northbound Harlem Line service will originate at Wakefield.
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Sure, but this also happened a few years ago. Time to do something about it.
looks really bad
Ummm Hurricane Sandy?
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Seeing pics on social media. Has it ever flooded like that there? What caused it?
Ummm Hurricane Sandy?
Well yeah, but just curious if the area is known for regular flooding. Sandy was a disaster. Was this from the storms last weekend?
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it is disgracefully old and bad (i think it is still made out of clay pipes from like 150 years ago) so everytime you get a huge amount of rain something like this happens--when you get a once in every ten year 4 inches of rain in like 7 hours you get what you get today which is a total collapse of the system.
Sure, but this also happened a few years ago. Time to do something about it.
Four inches of rain in one morning? It ain't the pipes. No place could handle that much rain without this type of flooding, especially a place that is all concrete. And the high tide was just before 9, making it even worse. Nowhere for the water to go.
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it is disgracefully old and bad (i think it is still made out of clay pipes from like 150 years ago) so everytime you get a huge amount of rain something like this happens--when you get a once in every ten year 4 inches of rain in like 7 hours you get what you get today which is a total collapse of the system.
Sure, but this also happened a few years ago. Time to do something about it.
Four inches of rain in one morning? It ain't the pipes. No place could handle that much rain without this type of flooding, especially a place that is all concrete. And the high tide was just before 9, making it even worse. Nowhere for the water to go.
It is a combination of everything, but the pipes are really bad and as Mike from SI said, it happened in a less severe way two years ago around Labor Day. I am in Park Slope nowhere near the water and it is like a river at the end of the slope. This is bad infrastructure meeting catastrophic rain. Would there be flooding with good infrastructure--yes, would places like Park Slope that is so far from the water get it as bad as it is today with better infrastructure, probably not.
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Seeing pics on social media. Has it ever flooded like that there? What caused it?
Ummm Hurricane Sandy?
Well yeah, but just curious if the area is known for regular flooding. Sandy was a disaster. Was this from the storms last weekend?
Yeah, lower Manhattan flooded again some time in the teens, I forget when.
I'm moving at some point in the next year or two and I'm definitely taking flooding into account when I choose a neighborhood. I had friends in Lower Manhattan who were out of their apartments for months post Sandy; I'm not doing that.
I've seen plans for storm surge barriers and even a plan to extend Manhattan to protect it from surges.
I believe this flooding is caused by high rainfall combined with the ground already being saturated from last week's storm. There isn't excess capacity to take care of the water.
Exactly, it's a combination of the intensity of the rainfall and the impermeability of so much of the city's surface. So little rain can get absorbed into the ground here, so...
Sewer systems, etc were not designed for this type of extreme weather. Things like this will become more common place.
I work in mid Westchester and live in NJ on the river. Getting home tonight is problematic- at best.
1:15pm flight was cancelled and now booked on a 4:30 flight, the rumor is terminal A is flooded I am in terminal C and hoping for the best
1:15pm flight was cancelled and now booked on a 4:30 flight, the rumor is terminal A is flooded I am in terminal C and hoping for the best
Good luck Larry. I have had a friend sitting on the tarmac for over an hour on a flight back into the city, but it sounds like they're ready to go soon. I think it's supposed to calm down to more normal rain the rest of the day.
Now you could not drive to work under 3 hours because there were a million cops blocking large puddles and whole entrances and exits blocked off. State of emegergency??? It rained really hard!! Instead of Bib Brother we have got Big Mother to protect us...pff.
Now you could not drive to work under 3 hours because there were a million cops blocking large puddles and whole entrances and exits blocked off. State of emegergency??? It rained really hard!! Instead of Bib Brother we have got Big Mother to protect us...pff.
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when it would rain hard the cars on the other side would splash the cars going the opposite direction and have like a big wave/ waterfall like effect.
Now you could not drive to work under 3 hours because there were a million cops blocking large puddles and whole entrances and exits blocked off. State of emegergency??? It rained really hard!! Instead of Bib Brother we have got Big Mother to protect us...pff.
Are you insane? Cars are flooded out. This isn't just rain. Good lord.
That is not what I saw and I have been outside in a car since 9:00 am in 2 different boroughs.
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when it would rain hard the cars on the other side would splash the cars going the opposite direction and have like a big wave/ waterfall like effect.
Now you could not drive to work under 3 hours because there were a million cops blocking large puddles and whole entrances and exits blocked off. State of emegergency??? It rained really hard!! Instead of Bib Brother we have got Big Mother to protect us...pff.
Are you insane? Cars are flooded out. This isn't just rain. Good lord.
That is not what I saw and I have been outside in a car since 9:00 am in 2 different boroughs.
You must not have seen any of the videos posted from the city today.
Metro North was suspended because the tracks were under water. Subways and streets flooded. Cars with water up to the windows when even 6" to 1' of water can move cars.
How dare they prevent people from flooded roadways and not waste emergency resources from saving people, seemingly like yourself
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In comment 16224682 Arcade_Games said:
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when it would rain hard the cars on the other side would splash the cars going the opposite direction and have like a big wave/ waterfall like effect.
Now you could not drive to work under 3 hours because there were a million cops blocking large puddles and whole entrances and exits blocked off. State of emegergency??? It rained really hard!! Instead of Bib Brother we have got Big Mother to protect us...pff.
Are you insane? Cars are flooded out. This isn't just rain. Good lord.
That is not what I saw and I have been outside in a car since 9:00 am in 2 different boroughs.
You must not have seen any of the videos posted from the city today.
Metro North was suspended because the tracks were under water. Subways and streets flooded. Cars with water up to the windows when even 6" to 1' of water can move cars.
How dare they prevent people from flooded roadways and not waste emergency resources from saving people, seemingly like yourself
looks really bad
I left at 12:30, avoided the BQE, which was flooding and at a stand stil. It took me 2 hours to get near home, at which time I had to divert to the Brooklyn Bridge to pick up my son. All the subways near his school were shut down.
Stay safe.
--We already had 8 inches of rain or so in September before this event, so the ground was waterlogged.
--The usual low-lying areas flooded because water always flows downhill or down a slope, as we know. Any area between two hills or inclines became submerged at the height of the storm. This also includes highways that go through valleys or swales like the Cross Bronx. Five to eight inches of water becomes feet of water when collected in a valley or highway passing under another highway.
--The rail switches that control Metro-North service out of Manhattan in the South Bronx were underwater. The rail switches I believe are near Yankee Stadium and we know that is low land (the area around Yankee Stadium was originally marshy)
--New York is mostly covered by concrete and buildings. Concrete has far less permeability than dirt/soil (even clay, which is the least permeable soil). Once concrete becomes wet even a small amount of water will simply run off to lower ground.
--The heaviest rain fell in more flood-prone areas like coastal Queens and Brooklyn. JFK set its 24-hour rainfall record.
--Most of the underground subway system infrastructure is over 100 years old and it was not built to handle climate change leading to heavier rainstorms (the atmosphere is approximately 5-8% wetter than it was 100 years ago).
--We already had 8 inches of rain or so in September before this event, so the ground was waterlogged.
--The usual low-lying areas flooded because water always flows downhill or down a slope, as we know. Any area between two hills or inclines became submerged at the height of the storm. This also includes highways that go through valleys or swales like the Cross Bronx. Five to eight inches of water becomes feet of water when collected in a valley or highway passing under another highway.
--The rail switches that control Metro-North service out of Manhattan in the South Bronx were underwater. The rail switches I believe are near Yankee Stadium and we know that is low land (the area around Yankee Stadium was originally marshy)
--New York is mostly covered by concrete and buildings. Concrete has far less permeability than dirt/soil (even clay, which is the least permeable soil). Once concrete becomes wet even a small amount of water will simply run off to lower ground.
--The heaviest rain fell in more flood-prone areas like coastal Queens and Brooklyn. JFK set its 24-hour rainfall record.
--Most of the underground subway system infrastructure is over 100 years old and it was not built to handle climate change leading to heavier rainstorms (the atmosphere is approximately 5-8% wetter than it was 100 years ago).
Thanks for the explanation!
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it is disgracefully old and bad (i think it is still made out of clay pipes from like 150 years ago) so everytime you get a huge amount of rain something like this happens--when you get a once in every ten year 4 inches of rain in like 7 hours you get what you get today which is a total collapse of the system.
Sure, but this also happened a few years ago. Time to do something about it.
Four inches of rain in one morning? It ain't the pipes. No place could handle that much rain without this type of flooding, especially a place that is all concrete. And the high tide was just before 9, making it even worse. Nowhere for the water to go.
Maybe no CITY. Had that type of rain couple months back. I'm on 4.5 acres, central jersey. I guess if I concreted the entire lot like NYC, I'd probably get flooding too.
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1707770997632295270
looks really bad/////
The first video is not far from me and 1 block from where my daughter was in school last year. I live a couple of blocks from the cargo piers in Brooklyn, but no flooding (thank G-d)!
Matt M, hope all safe and sound for you guys. My daughter lives in Bushwick and said it was pretty damn sodden. She's in a 3rd floor walk-up, so her ap't prolly ok, but how does one walk a dog in those conditions??
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In comment 16224367 ColHowPepper said:
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1707770997632295270
looks really bad/////
The first video is not far from me and 1 block from where my daughter was in school last year. I live a couple of blocks from the cargo piers in Brooklyn, but no flooding (thank G-d)!
Matt M, hope all safe and sound for you guys. My daughter lives in Bushwick and said it was pretty damn sodden. She's in a 3rd floor walk-up, so her ap't prolly ok, but how does one walk a dog in those conditions??