Could’ve gotten higher draft picks to accelerate the rebuild, and moved on from Jones and Barkley.
Reminds me of what the Knicks have done the past three years - overachieve in year one, commit too much money to keep the flawed team together and crash back to earth in year two. Knicks were able to take two steps forward in year three - hope the Giants can too.
And Daboll needs to take a lot of blame here as well.
WTF have we been doing to start the season? What were we doing all summer long during training camp? What are we doing in the first half of these games?
We are trying to tush push on 4th and longer than 1?
Daboll has been terrible since the Philly playoff game.
There have been some horrific seasons the last decade or so and also in my lifetime but this might be the most joyless and painful start to a Giants season I can ever remember.
without an offensive line. period. Jones probably wouldn't be having such a bad season if he had a consistent Oline. This is more the Giants Org, scout, OC, DC, and GM. Damn look at the Cowboys and how deep they are. There backup corner Bland, could turn out to be even better than Diggs??!!? Damn..
There have been some horrific seasons the last decade or so and also in my lifetime but this might be the most joyless and painful start to a Giants season I can ever remember.
There have been some horrific seasons the last decade or so and also in my lifetime but this might be the most joyless and painful start to a Giants season I can ever remember.
without an offensive line. period. Jones probably wouldn't be having such a bad season if he had a consistent Oline. This is more the Giants Org, scout, OC, DC, and GM. Damn look at the Cowboys and how deep they are. There backup corner Bland, could turn out to be even better than Diggs??!!? Damn..
True to some extent but when he’s had time he been awful too…a good qb can make a bad line look better than it is
Offensively this is the worst team I can remember. I’m starting to question myself for how much time and emotion I invest into this team. And they continuously let me down
open for the TD, idk why he threw the short out and poorly at that.
No doubt but he’s been under the gun at the snap and maybe if he had another second he could’ve looked that way.
Looks to me like he’s just happy to be able to get the pass off without being sacked and that’s no way to be successful. He hasn’t lifted the team but neither has the coaching.
RE: Do you think Kafka and wink will be hot Coaching cadidates this year?
open for the TD, idk why he threw the short out and poorly at that.
Looked to me like he had time to find a second read…. Seemed determined to Throw to Campbell
No doubt but he’s been under the gun at the snap and maybe if he had another second he could’ve looked that way.
Looks to me like he’s just happy to be able to get the pass off without being sacked and that’s no way to be successful. He hasn’t lifted the team but neither has the coaching.
without an offensive line. period. Jones probably wouldn't be having such a bad season if he had a consistent Oline. This is more the Giants Org, scout, OC, DC, and GM. Damn look at the Cowboys and how deep they are. There backup corner Bland, could turn out to be even better than Diggs??!!? Damn..
True to some extent but when he’s had time he been awful too…a good qb can make a bad line look better than it is
It is completely true. Can’t expect good qb play with a league worse oline. A good qb can make a ok oline look better. Any qb is dead in the water with a horrible oline.
Yep, back when the BBI braintrust said all the Giants needed was a mobile QB.
People freaked out because they ended Eli’s consecutive start streak in a lost season. Also are you that impressed with Geno? I’m not talking about in comparison to jones, just in general
THAT was a huge problem. It looked like the coaches were ready to move on from Eli but the fans freaked and made a big deal out of the streak. I think it scared ownership into hanging onto Eli too long.
but this coming offseason is as big as it gets for them and if they are lucky enough to get Caleb Williams, Schoen needs to spend every dime and every asset to get a lefit LG, RG and RT..
Yep, back when the BBI braintrust said all the Giants needed was a mobile QB.
People freaked out because they ended Eli’s consecutive start streak in a lost season. Also are you that impressed with Geno? I’m not talking about in comparison to jones, just in general
Impressed? No, I’m more impressed with how well run Seattle is as an organization. I wish the Giants could draft and develop OL talent like them.
but this coming offseason is as big as it gets for them and if they are lucky enough to get Caleb Williams, Schoen needs to spend every dime and every asset to get a lefit LG, RG and RT..
And they'll come right in and suck.
Schoen whole design for the team is flawed big time
I have been a fan since 1965 and I am questioning whether there needs to be a complete reversal. We are near the cap! No excuse like our ownership won’t spend the money or we are a small market team.
This is just unbelievable! You can’t try to suck as much as we suck.
I said in the game thread, I am 58. This is by far the worst OL I have ever seen. That's on Schoen IMO. He drafted or signed Ezeudu, McKethan, Neal, and Glowinski. Glowinski is done and the others look like they don't have the lateral ability or agility to play at this level, something that should have been self evident when they were scouted. They can't move sideways quickly enough to succeed in the NFL.
All those weapons Schoen signed, traded for, and drafted, are all irrelevant because the OL still sucks.
Jones isn't seeing the whole field and understandably doesn't trust his OL to give him time to do so. He's part of the problem, but at least he's produced in the past.
On defense, we still can't tackle, and are being repeatedly gashed up the middle. The run defense is really bad and we aren't generating much pressure.
Yep, back when the BBI braintrust said all the Giants needed was a mobile QB.
People freaked out because they ended Eli’s consecutive start streak in a lost season. Also are you that impressed with Geno? I’m not talking about in comparison to jones, just in general
Impressed? No, I’m more impressed with how well run Seattle is as an organization. I wish the Giants could draft and develop OL talent like them.
Completely agree.
As awful as Jones was, Daboll deserves to be taken to the woodshed
but this coming offseason is as big as it gets for them and if they are lucky enough to get Caleb Williams, Schoen needs to spend every dime and every asset to get a lefit LG, RG and RT..
One beautiful drive in the preseason, everything was golden, especially coming off of last year.
The smack of reality is really setting in tonight. We're in for a rough season with a lot questions to be answered, a lot of finger pointing and a lot of blame.
This team fucking blows in every aspect of the game.
Nothing under center. Shotgun happy with a terrible pass blocking OL and a struggling QB.
How about going 2 TE with QB under C and mixing it up a little? Show some play variation. The fact they can’t get Waller involved if even just situationally is bizarre.
What about all those reports from camp how unstoppable he looked?
This fucking team. It’s fascinating how bad they are.
The team is awful. Most of the moves he has made have contributed absolutely nothing. I wouldn't fire him this season, but I mean there's really nothing there from him to think he deserves any kind of long-term future.
The drafts have been bad. The free agent moves have been bad. The trades have been bad.
Is a clueless fucking moron…sure he’s shell shocked and happy feet… but who the fuck wouldn’t be?
He didn’t help the situation. He’s scared to throw the ball 10 yards down the field. He’s need giving his guys a chance to make a play.
What has me honestly freaked out is how uncomfortable he looks throwing deep. While he hasn't thrown deep a ton the last couple years he never looked scared to. Tonight he did.
THAT was a huge problem. It looked like the coaches were ready to move on from Eli but the fans freaked and made a big deal out of the streak. I think it scared ownership into hanging onto Eli too long.
And management again failed to understand why people were upset. They weren't upset Eli was benched, they were upset he was benched for Geno Smith - who had no future in NY - so it was a wasted move. Had they benched him for Davis Webb, there would've been a lot less complaints, because seeing what the rookie 3rd round pick could do (in retrospect, admittedly not much) would've been a reasonable decision.
The team is awful. Most of the moves he has made have contributed absolutely nothing. I wouldn't fire him this season, but I mean there's really nothing there from him to think he deserves any kind of long-term future.
The drafts have been bad. The free agent moves have been bad. The trades have been bad.
Tend to agree, although he has ironically found some serviceable players on day three of the draft. But right now, Thibs and Neal are not close to being worthy of their draft slots and the OL is historically bad.
Nothing under center. Shotgun happy with a terrible pass blocking OL and a struggling QB.
How about going 2 TE with QB under C and mixing it up a little? Show some play variation. The fact they can’t get Waller involved if even just situationally is bizarre.
Was going to start a thread on this.
Where’s the Tackle help? When’s the last time we chipped on the edge? Consistently stayed with a power run game? Or loaded up with max protect and ran deep routes.
Do something different, eh? Cause this is disastrous.
Looking back to last year it was the same. The were terrible and refused to change until being forced to use the running game. Can’t believe how bad this is.
What about all those reports from camp how unstoppable he looked?
This fucking team. It’s fascinating how bad they are.
I think part of that is because he doesn't trust his OL to give him enough time to look at more than his first read. But I agree that he still needs to do a better job scanning the field.
THAT was a huge problem. It looked like the coaches were ready to move on from Eli but the fans freaked and made a big deal out of the streak. I think it scared ownership into hanging onto Eli too long.
And management again failed to understand why people were upset. They weren't upset Eli was benched, they were upset he was benched for Geno Smith - who had no future in NY - so it was a wasted move. Had they benched him for Davis Webb, there would've been a lot less complaints, because seeing what the rookie 3rd round pick could do (in retrospect, admittedly not much) would've been a reasonable decision.
This^^^^ can we please stop acting like Geno fucking Smith is any bit relevant? He’s a journeyman system QB in an incredibly run organization, nothing more. For how bad the Giants are, Seattle should be embarrassed they technically were still in the game until the fourth quarter.
Is a clueless fucking moron…sure he’s shell shocked and happy feet… but who the fuck wouldn’t be?
Is anyone putting it 100% on Jones?
I feel like everyone recognizes that the biggest problem by far is the offensive line. And I also feel like it's possible to recognize that while simultaneously acknowledging that Jones hasn't played well, independent of the OL. It doesn't have to be mutually exclusive; both things can be true.
He is like the captain of the titanic. Couldnt see the iceberg.
Play calling is horrendous. Player evaluation is horrendous.
We can't block. We can't tackle, we can't field punts, we can't protect the ball.
I mean this is fundamental football stuff that we cannot do. Do we even practice? Is everything a walk through and film review?
I would have this team in full pads monday- friday. And tell them when you start blocking and tackling in a game maybe we will only do full pads Monday- thursday.
I cant watch anymore. Just a complete waste of time. I dont even care about the draft anymore.
Can we get Bill Parcells back? I really think he is the only one who can fix this mess.
RE: RE: For as bad as jones and the offense has been…
Yep, back when the BBI braintrust said all the Giants needed was a mobile QB.
People freaked out because they ended Eli’s consecutive start streak in a lost season. Also are you that impressed with Geno? I’m not talking about in comparison to jones, just in general
Again? Eli ended Eli's starting streak. HE chose not to start.
On the year for the defense. We rip Thibs almost every week but he’s 3 of the 4 sacks lol
There’s a difference between getting random sacks and getting game changing sacks. Nothing he does is game-changing and has yet to impress me at all.
Can’t get game changing sacks when the offense doesn’t keep it close
Has nothing to do with the offense keeping it close. Where are the sacks on third down? The sacks in the red zone? I wanna see him put a spark in the damn team and change the momentum of the game. Dude is a ghost out there.
RE: RE: RE: RE: For as bad as jones and the offense has been…
On the year for the defense. We rip Thibs almost every week but he’s 3 of the 4 sacks lol
There’s a difference between getting random sacks and getting game changing sacks. Nothing he does is game-changing and has yet to impress me at all.
Can’t get game changing sacks when the offense doesn’t keep it close
Has nothing to do with the offense keeping it close. Where are the sacks on third down? The sacks in the red zone? I wanna see him put a spark in the damn team and change the momentum of the game. Dude is a ghost out there.
He got a sack on third down the first possesion. Our offense came back with dogshit.
in all phases. I don’t know how you can truly blame anyone but the front office and coaching.
I agree completely. These players are bad. But the front office picked a lot of these players and the coaching staff is not maximizing whatever strengths these players have.
It's been an extremely poor job by both Schoen and Daboll in year 2.
Is a problem. In 14/16 quarters of play calling, he’s managed 15 points: 1.07 points per quarter. Dabell likely called the plays in the other 2 quarters. How long will this dink and dunk approach continue?
Is a problem. In 14/16 quarters of play calling, he’s managed 15 points: 1.07 points per quarter. Dabell likely called the plays in the other 2 quarters. How long will this dink and dunk approach continue?
I could swear Daboll was calling plays in the first half.
Is pointless. This team will be picking in the top 5 and will be picking a QB. Daboll and Schoen will want their guy. Jones will be the punching bag in ‘24 as the OL enters year 13 of the rebuild and the new QB will step in ‘25.
Mostly because that game was there to be won. Early on I felt like Jones had time but refused to pull the trigger. Then he ran out of time, time and again.
Not sure if there’s and answer to the issues with this team when the issues are that we can’t field a competent oline. It’s clear Neal is a miss. It’s clear Edzuzu is nothing better than a backup. If Schmitz is out any length of time DJ better get some insurance.
Kudos to the defense who stood up as long as they can. You cannot expect a defense to pitch a shutout when the offense is so poor.
And Schoen and Daboll need to stand up and take responsibility for this crap.
I dont want to hear anymore coach speak from Daboll. Why can we not tackle? Why can we not block? Why can we not field punts? Why do we not stick with the power run,?
We are worse than a joe judge coached team. Let that sink in.
1) I am done with Wink and his shit D. 2 DL doesn't cut it. Telegraphing blitzes doesn't cut it. No tackling doesn't cut it.
2) The OL was obviously bad. But, using that as an excuse for everything, especially Jones is a mistake. Most of the sacks came when Seattle was up a couple of scores and could pin their ears back.
3) Jones held the ball too long regardless of the pressure. He doesn't even seem like he's going through progressions; he's just looking. He never throws it away and he made bad decisions and throws again.
4) This team is not disciplined in any aspect of the game.
5) I'm beginning to think last year was the anomaly all around. Coaching. HC. Jones. I'm not fully convinced, but they are making it hard not to.
6) How many ST fuck ups must we have before they move on?
Lets draft a cornerback and a receiver in the first two rounds because our o line is solid.
And then complain we have no offense because we cannot block.
Is anyone else screaming mad at the inability of the Giant organization to fix the damn o line.
I mean they are paying a LT 25M a year. Used a top 10
Pick on the RT. Used a 2nd round pick on the C. They are investing. They are just doing a bad job of choosing the right players and injuries hav hit them too to create a bad situation
Is pointless. This team will be picking in the top 5 and will be picking a QB. Daboll and Schoen will want their guy. Jones will be the punching bag in ‘24 as the OL enters year 13 of the rebuild and the new QB will step in ‘25.
It will just be year 3.
Can't put the previous mess on them.
Glowinski was a solid G and below average as a Giant, the #7 overall pick is a disaster, the rest of the OL picks are terrible. JMS maybe hsi lone player that has played to expectations. i leave off Thomas because he was great before Johnson. To me Bobby Johnson has not developed one player and made them better since he's been here.
The overall team looks slow despite the addition of speed. Okereke has played poorly. Our WRs are still crappy, its basically the same guys plus Campbell. Waller looks average at best. I am not seeing elite movement. The team just looks slow and plodding. This was a winnable game and they were lifeless.
yup. They did the big money QB thing and it was a mistake. Now they’re stuck in no man’s land having to wait until 2025 just to reboot this shit again and hope they can compete by 2027. Giants have successfully killed off an entire generation of potential fans. We all have the good ol days to look back on. Kids growing up now look at the giants as an embarrassing afterthought. We thought the days of being the league doormat were over, but it might be several more years still before there’s any hope of being decent. This organization is worse than bad, they’re BORING.
Is pointless. This team will be picking in the top 5 and will be picking a QB. Daboll and Schoen will want their guy. Jones will be the punching bag in ‘24 as the OL enters year 13 of the rebuild and the new QB will step in ‘25.
It will just be year 3.
Can't put the previous mess on them.
Ok, who has this regime picked or acquired in FA that has shown any promise outside of JMS?
Picking a tackle at 7 and then saying l, “well maybe he can play guard” is a miss. All off season we heard that Neal was hurt last year and he was working on his technique. What’s the excuse this year?
I’m still in on Schoen but he messed up this pick.
Is pointless. This team will be picking in the top 5 and will be picking a QB. Daboll and Schoen will want their guy. Jones will be the punching bag in ‘24 as the OL enters year 13 of the rebuild and the new QB will step in ‘25.
It will just be year 3.
Can't put the previous mess on them.
Ok, who has this regime picked or acquired in FA that has shown any promise outside of JMS?
Come on. Banks and Hawkins look like decent players. KT will be good. Last year they picked up guys in the bottom of other rosters who started for us, like Hoskins and McBride. I think the Waller trade will turn out great.
DJ is playing poorly and that’s 80% the offensive line, who are playing as badly as any single unit in football. They are not close to even competent. Usually if a line is bad they are at least decent at run blocking. Not this crew which is really about the depth on the bench at this point.
Think about that. It is entirely possible. And that win was a fluke.
theres no way Mara pets with JS no matter what happens this year. Daboll deserves to be on this ice if he can’t rally this team to at least play halfway decent fundamental football and be competitive while losing. Winning is now out of the question. It’s about how fundamentally sound can we lose. Fuckin A this franchise is just awful
Lets draft a cornerback and a receiver in the first two rounds because our o line is solid.
And then complain we have no offense because we cannot block.
Is anyone else screaming mad at the inability of the Giant organization to fix the damn o line.
I mean they are paying a LT 25M a year. Used a top 10
Pick on the RT. Used a 2nd round pick on the C. They are investing. They are just doing a bad job of choosing the right players and injuries hav hit them too to create a bad situation
And better yet, then don't use the rookie WR outside of a few snaps a game.
Think about that. It is entirely possible. And that win was a fluke.
theres no way Mara pets with JS no matter what happens this year. Daboll deserves to be on this ice if he can’t rally this team to at least play halfway decent fundamental football and be competitive while losing. Winning is now out of the question. It’s about how fundamentally sound can we lose. Fuckin A this franchise is just awful
If they lose out there's no way they keep this regime. Mara has to sell tickets.
Think about that. It is entirely possible. And that win was a fluke.
theres no way Mara pets with JS no matter what happens this year. Daboll deserves to be on this ice if he can’t rally this team to at least play halfway decent fundamental football and be competitive while losing. Winning is now out of the question. It’s about how fundamentally sound can we lose. Fuckin A this franchise is just awful
If they lose out there's no way they keep this regime. Mara has to sell tickets.
Fans will come in 2024. This isn’t like summers in Pittsburg with the Pirates. That being said, if this is a 3-4 win year, both Schoen and daboll come back but they are on the hot seat. Anything less than 7 wins should result in their dismissal.
Is pointless. This team will be picking in the top 5 and will be picking a QB. Daboll and Schoen will want their guy. Jones will be the punching bag in ‘24 as the OL enters year 13 of the rebuild and the new QB will step in ‘25.
It will just be year 3.
Can't put the previous mess on them.
Ok, who has this regime picked or acquired in FA that has shown any promise outside of JMS?
Come on. Banks and Hawkins look like decent players. KT will be good. Last year they picked up guys in the bottom of other rosters who started for us, like Hoskins and McBride. I think the Waller trade will turn out great.
DJ is playing poorly and that’s 80% the offensive line, who are playing as badly as any single unit in football. They are not close to even competent. Usually if a line is bad they are at least decent at run blocking. Not this crew which is really about the depth on the bench at this point.
Read the post again.
RE: RE: RE: RE: This year is shaping up to be an epic
Think about that. It is entirely possible. And that win was a fluke.
theres no way Mara pets with JS no matter what happens this year. Daboll deserves to be on this ice if he can’t rally this team to at least play halfway decent fundamental football and be competitive while losing. Winning is now out of the question. It’s about how fundamentally sound can we lose. Fuckin A this franchise is just awful
If they lose out there's no way they keep this regime. Mara has to sell tickets.
Fans will come in 2024. This isn’t like summers in Pittsburg with the Pirates. That being said, if this is a 3-4 win year, both Schoen and daboll come back but they are on the hot seat. Anything less than 7 wins should result in their dismissal.
** In 2024 for Schoen and Daboll **
Witherspoon just said, we knew Jones would stare down his
first target! It’s not just Jones, but he hasn’t helped matters either. He runs well, and can throw when he can set his feet, but his processing still sucks and he is holding the ball too long. Your Oline will not hold blocks that long.
With the exception of 2 outlier seasons. I’m sick…. 3 of 4 games the offense drives the ball down the field only to stop itself, get kicks blocked, go for fourth downs and miss and completely fold in on itself for the rest of the game.
Is pointless. This team will be picking in the top 5 and will be picking a QB. Daboll and Schoen will want their guy. Jones will be the punching bag in ‘24 as the OL enters year 13 of the rebuild and the new QB will step in ‘25.
Its been years now when the New York Giants make a big deal, that player's production immediately stops.
There isn't a single player on the team who makes a teammate better.
The team's coaching does not know how to call successful plays.
Coaching does not know how to develop or find roles for young players.
Very few players know how to block or tackle.
Special teams make mistakes on fourth down.
Last night was squarely on the offense -- mostly Jones -- and STs.
As bad as the OL was, Jones was holding the ball like a rookie backup. Against SF switching QBs wouldn't have changed the outcome. Last night with Geno Smith we win -- maybe win running away.
I question Daboll in every way also, and Kafka. While the difference between a brilliant play call and not is whether it works, the passing ip FGs, inexplicable tush push, and futility of the plays called with a veteran QB are all very disappointing.
Four of these five offensive linemen with a couple credible backups, plus Joones, is the bed they made. Right now it's looking like lying in it will lead to another regime change. A level of development and growth is expected but that's not an NFL quality offense on the field.
1) I am done with Wink and his shit D. 2 DL doesn't cut it. Telegraphing blitzes doesn't cut it. No tackling doesn't cut it.
2) The OL was obviously bad. But, using that as an excuse for everything, especially Jones is a mistake. Most of the sacks came when Seattle was up a couple of scores and could pin their ears back.
3) Jones held the ball too long regardless of the pressure. He doesn't even seem like he's going through progressions; he's just looking. He never throws it away and he made bad decisions and throws again.
4) This team is not disciplined in any aspect of the game.
5) I'm beginning to think last year was the anomaly all around. Coaching. HC. Jones. I'm not fully convinced, but they are making it hard not to.
6) How many ST fuck ups must we have before they move on?
This goes back to last year. The team's been bad since our 6-1 start.
Last night was the worst display of OL blocking I have seen as a Giants fan.
They have no idea how to pick up stunts.
They cannot block one on one…no push at all in run game.
Pass protection is a joke.
The JMS injury on first drive was huge.
What plays can you call with an OL that can’t execute a simple block
Don’t get me wrong…Jones sucked last night.
But step in his shoes for a moment.
The dude is running for his life on almost every pass play
How does Bobby Johnson coach this OL???
Kafka and Daboll are probably only using 10 to 15 percent of offensive playbook
Defenses know what type of plays we are going to run as the playbook is so limited.
How many years before we have a competitive OL ??
Don’t know the answer as all our OL draft picks fail miserably.
I was so wrong on Neal.I thought he was going to be a stud RT.
He is a guard maybe!!!
We could cluster draft OL on every pick next draft.
Would we succeed in finding guys who can block?
I seriously don’t know.
I am so over poor OL play
Team is going nowhere.
Sorry for the rant…but I feel we are back in 70’s.
The giants offensive line is simply terrible. It is inexcusable that an nfl team would look like this year after year.
The giants will be picking top 5 unless they screw that up with some late season wins. Barkley, McKinney and Jackson should all be traded to whoever offers the highest picks.
one position group should never be this bad for this long. No matter the injuries this is inexcusable.
You can not change out the coaches and front office yet again so this time it has to be the players.
1) I am done with Wink and his shit D. 2 DL doesn't cut it. Telegraphing blitzes doesn't cut it. No tackling doesn't cut it.
2) The OL was obviously bad. But, using that as an excuse for everything, especially Jones is a mistake. Most of the sacks came when Seattle was up a couple of scores and could pin their ears back.
3) Jones held the ball too long regardless of the pressure. He doesn't even seem like he's going through progressions; he's just looking. He never throws it away and he made bad decisions and throws again.
4) This team is not disciplined in any aspect of the game.
5) I'm beginning to think last year was the anomaly all around. Coaching. HC. Jones. I'm not fully convinced, but they are making it hard not to.
6) How many ST fuck ups must we have before they move on?
This goes back to last year. The team's been bad since our 6-1 start.
They can’t beat good teams. Most of the time, they’re embarrassed by them. Oddly enough, since the midway point of last season, they’ve gotten a LOT of good teams on their schedule.
would make any self respecting High School Coach lose his mind. And Seattle wasn't much better. Just an awful, sloppy game that any competent team should win at home. Somethings that I noticed/was pissed at:
* on Defense, a serial lack of finishing plays/playing to the whistle. They got a HUGE break with that overturned call. They could easily have said it was inconclusive. WTF are they all so happy with themselves about? As Taggart said in Blazing Saddles, why are you all dancing like bunch of Kansas City faggots? Finish the play! No whistle blew. Gang tackle. And I really thought Banks assumed the play was over on the Metcalf TD in the right corner. Total lack of discipline.
* tackling atrocious as usual.
* Okereke is not the guy I thought they were getting. Never saw him much at Indy, but figured Schoen (and how much input does Stink Martindale have there?)knew what he was doing. Misses way too many tackles, often out of position.
* the OL is a hot mess. but Jones was responsible for a few of those 11. One off the edge in the 1st qtr was definitely him not checking the D. Both Aikman and Peyton Manning called him out on that. That said, SEA had a patch work OL too and they moved the ball. Is the Giants D that bad, our OL and offensive coaching worse?
* what do you have to do to be fired as ST Coordinator of the NY Giants?
* re Jones, enough with the contract. It's really a 2 year deal and they can get out w/o much cap damage after next year if he doesn't turn it around. Right now he and the entire offense look like shit. So does the D. They could easily be 1-11 at the bye week. MIA, BUF and DAL are guaranteed losses, and none of the others can be considered "winnable" the way they are playing.
* Ojulari makes a difference. It's too bad he hasn't been able to stay healthy.
Schoen tried to build around Jones and Barkley
This game it took halfway until the third qtr was over until he took over play calling.
I think maybe the Giants should strive to make points in their first half. It could help!
Hockey will be better.
Insanely bad!
Schoen must be having second thoughts
This is much more than a QB, a coach, the OL or a GM. It is everything.
It is rotten from the core.
Some of you want the team to lose out to get a decent draft pick next year... lol
Reminds me of what the Knicks have done the past three years - overachieve in year one, commit too much money to keep the flawed team together and crash back to earth in year two. Knicks were able to take two steps forward in year three - hope the Giants can too.
WTF have we been doing to start the season? What were we doing all summer long during training camp? What are we doing in the first half of these games?
We are trying to tush push on 4th and longer than 1?
Daboll has been terrible since the Philly playoff game.
I know losing AT was the one of the few guys they couldn’t afford to lose.
But man, what’s the the defense? The Seahawks don’t have one oline starter going
You ain’t wrong
Now that is saying something. Sad and true.
True to some extent but when he’s had time he been awful too…a good qb can make a bad line look better than it is
Right????
Needs
QB
WR1
RB (Saquon prob gone)
LG
RG
RT
Swing tackle
Backup C
That’s just the offense
No doubt but he’s been under the gun at the snap and maybe if he had another second he could’ve looked that way.
Looks to me like he’s just happy to be able to get the pass off without being sacked and that’s no way to be successful. He hasn’t lifted the team but neither has the coaching.
I hope so
Yep, back when the BBI braintrust said all the Giants needed was a mobile QB.
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open for the TD, idk why he threw the short out and poorly at that.
Looked to me like he had time to find a second read…. Seemed determined to Throw to Campbell
No doubt but he’s been under the gun at the snap and maybe if he had another second he could’ve looked that way.
Looks to me like he’s just happy to be able to get the pass off without being sacked and that’s no way to be successful. He hasn’t lifted the team but neither has the coaching.
If they get into the Top 5 they better make a run for a QB.
*last in the NFL
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without an offensive line. period. Jones probably wouldn't be having such a bad season if he had a consistent Oline. This is more the Giants Org, scout, OC, DC, and GM. Damn look at the Cowboys and how deep they are. There backup corner Bland, could turn out to be even better than Diggs??!!? Damn..
True to some extent but when he’s had time he been awful too…a good qb can make a bad line look better than it is
It is completely true. Can’t expect good qb play with a league worse oline. A good qb can make a ok oline look better. Any qb is dead in the water with a horrible oline.
Serenity Now.
Serenity Now!!!
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benching Eli.
Yep, back when the BBI braintrust said all the Giants needed was a mobile QB.
People freaked out because they ended Eli’s consecutive start streak in a lost season. Also are you that impressed with Geno? I’m not talking about in comparison to jones, just in general
THAT was a huge problem. It looked like the coaches were ready to move on from Eli but the fans freaked and made a big deal out of the streak. I think it scared ownership into hanging onto Eli too long.
Two good quarters out of 16 so far. Two weeks from now it’ll be two good quarters out of 24.
This team should never be allowed on prime time for a long, long time.
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benching Eli.
Yep, back when the BBI braintrust said all the Giants needed was a mobile QB.
People freaked out because they ended Eli’s consecutive start streak in a lost season. Also are you that impressed with Geno? I’m not talking about in comparison to jones, just in general
Impressed? No, I’m more impressed with how well run Seattle is as an organization. I wish the Giants could draft and develop OL talent like them.
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Second half.
Two good quarters out of 16 so far. Two weeks from now it’ll be two good quarters out of 24.
Got attacked by the typical group for saying something was fundamentally wrong with this team.
This team should never be allowed on prime time for a long, long time.
Betting against the Giants on prime time will produce better returns than the best financial advisor could do for you.
This is much more than a QB, a coach, the OL or a GM. It is everything.
It is rotten from the core.
Some of you want the team to lose out to get a decent draft pick next year... lol
Eh - losing out could get someone to dump the entire front office, including all the scouts.
At least
Boring, bad football team.
They could score 80 on this team.
And they'll come right in and suck.
This team is comprised of pussies.
This is just unbelievable! You can’t try to suck as much as we suck.
All those weapons Schoen signed, traded for, and drafted, are all irrelevant because the OL still sucks.
Jones isn't seeing the whole field and understandably doesn't trust his OL to give him time to do so. He's part of the problem, but at least he's produced in the past.
On defense, we still can't tackle, and are being repeatedly gashed up the middle. The run defense is really bad and we aren't generating much pressure.
The Giants might be the worst team in the league.
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benching Eli.
Yep, back when the BBI braintrust said all the Giants needed was a mobile QB.
People freaked out because they ended Eli’s consecutive start streak in a lost season. Also are you that impressed with Geno? I’m not talking about in comparison to jones, just in general
Impressed? No, I’m more impressed with how well run Seattle is as an organization. I wish the Giants could draft and develop OL talent like them.
Completely agree.
I had no faith whatsoever in them winning the game, but it somehow turned out worse than I could’ve imagined.
Schoen has shown nothing so far.
One beautiful drive in the preseason, everything was golden, especially coming off of last year.
The smack of reality is really setting in tonight. We're in for a rough season with a lot questions to be answered, a lot of finger pointing and a lot of blame.
This team fucking blows in every aspect of the game.
Trade him to the Washington Redskins for a 6th round pick. You good with that?
Barkley, Waller, Adoree, L-Williams. No doubt.
Completely underprepared and out coached. It’s unbelievably bad
Wow, for once I completely agree with you. The media forgets how he fucked USC and then ran before the shit hit the fan.
Nothing under center. Shotgun happy with a terrible pass blocking OL and a struggling QB.
How about going 2 TE with QB under C and mixing it up a little? Show some play variation. The fact they can’t get Waller involved if even just situationally is bizarre.
What about all those reports from camp how unstoppable he looked?
This fucking team. It’s fascinating how bad they are.
He didn’t help the situation. He’s scared to throw the ball 10 yards down the field. He’s need giving his guys a chance to make a play.
The drafts have been bad. The free agent moves have been bad. The trades have been bad.
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from this QB???????
Trade him to the Washington Redskins for a 6th round pick. You good with that?
Yes I would be happy with that, mostly because I kind of like Jones personally and think he deserves a shot with a real OL.
That’s a great question. Would love to know the answer.
here a bad 4th and 1 play and there a bad false start ended drives that otherwise could have changed the complexion of the game.
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Is a clueless fucking moron…sure he’s shell shocked and happy feet… but who the fuck wouldn’t be?
He didn’t help the situation. He’s scared to throw the ball 10 yards down the field. He’s need giving his guys a chance to make a play.
What has me honestly freaked out is how uncomfortable he looks throwing deep. While he hasn't thrown deep a ton the last couple years he never looked scared to. Tonight he did.
He said that not in reference to to ight but so far this season. That is pretty damning...
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benching Eli.
THAT was a huge problem. It looked like the coaches were ready to move on from Eli but the fans freaked and made a big deal out of the streak. I think it scared ownership into hanging onto Eli too long.
And management again failed to understand why people were upset. They weren't upset Eli was benched, they were upset he was benched for Geno Smith - who had no future in NY - so it was a wasted move. Had they benched him for Davis Webb, there would've been a lot less complaints, because seeing what the rookie 3rd round pick could do (in retrospect, admittedly not much) would've been a reasonable decision.
The former has led to the latter being a disaster. He might be beyond saving at this point.
The drafts have been bad. The free agent moves have been bad. The trades have been bad.
Tend to agree, although he has ironically found some serviceable players on day three of the draft. But right now, Thibs and Neal are not close to being worthy of their draft slots and the OL is historically bad.
Nothing under center. Shotgun happy with a terrible pass blocking OL and a struggling QB.
How about going 2 TE with QB under C and mixing it up a little? Show some play variation. The fact they can’t get Waller involved if even just situationally is bizarre.
Was going to start a thread on this.
Where’s the Tackle help? When’s the last time we chipped on the edge? Consistently stayed with a power run game? Or loaded up with max protect and ran deep routes.
Do something different, eh? Cause this is disastrous.
Looking back to last year it was the same. The were terrible and refused to change until being forced to use the running game. Can’t believe how bad this is.
What about all those reports from camp how unstoppable he looked?
This fucking team. It’s fascinating how bad they are.
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OL is a much bigger problem than Jones IMO.
The former has led to the latter being a disaster. He might be beyond saving at this point.
So why would another QB without fixing the OL yield any different result?
Honest question.
I think part of that is because he doesn't trust his OL to give him enough time to look at more than his first read. But I agree that he still needs to do a better job scanning the field.
The proof is in the pudding.
They just can’t block and protect their QB.
They just can’t block and protect their QB.
This might be the worst offensive line to ever play in a pro game.
4 sacks
On the year for the defense. We rip Thibs almost every week but he’s 3 of the 4 sacks lol
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benching Eli.
THAT was a huge problem. It looked like the coaches were ready to move on from Eli but the fans freaked and made a big deal out of the streak. I think it scared ownership into hanging onto Eli too long.
And management again failed to understand why people were upset. They weren't upset Eli was benched, they were upset he was benched for Geno Smith - who had no future in NY - so it was a wasted move. Had they benched him for Davis Webb, there would've been a lot less complaints, because seeing what the rookie 3rd round pick could do (in retrospect, admittedly not much) would've been a reasonable decision.
This^^^^ can we please stop acting like Geno fucking Smith is any bit relevant? He’s a journeyman system QB in an incredibly run organization, nothing more. For how bad the Giants are, Seattle should be embarrassed they technically were still in the game until the fourth quarter.
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OL is a much bigger problem than Jones IMO.
The former has led to the latter being a disaster. He might be beyond saving at this point.
So why would another QB without fixing the OL yield any different result?
Honest question.
At this point, they’ve used so many high end picks on the line that using another doesn’t seem like the best idea.
They’re better off just starting from scratch and that begins with a new QB if they’re picking that high.
Is anyone putting it 100% on Jones?
I feel like everyone recognizes that the biggest problem by far is the offensive line. And I also feel like it's possible to recognize that while simultaneously acknowledging that Jones hasn't played well, independent of the OL. It doesn't have to be mutually exclusive; both things can be true.
Not enough physical players on defense.
4 sacks
On the year for the defense. We rip Thibs almost every week but he’s 3 of the 4 sacks lol
There’s a difference between getting random sacks and getting game changing sacks. Nothing he does is game-changing and has yet to impress me at all.
Not enough physical players on defense.
Thibs & Ojulari just aren’t physical enough.
He is like the captain of the titanic. Couldnt see the iceberg.
Play calling is horrendous. Player evaluation is horrendous.
We can't block. We can't tackle, we can't field punts, we can't protect the ball.
I mean this is fundamental football stuff that we cannot do. Do we even practice? Is everything a walk through and film review?
I would have this team in full pads monday- friday. And tell them when you start blocking and tackling in a game maybe we will only do full pads Monday- thursday.
I cant watch anymore. Just a complete waste of time. I dont even care about the draft anymore.
Can we get Bill Parcells back? I really think he is the only one who can fix this mess.
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0 turnover
4 sacks
On the year for the defense. We rip Thibs almost every week but he’s 3 of the 4 sacks lol
There’s a difference between getting random sacks and getting game changing sacks. Nothing he does is game-changing and has yet to impress me at all.
Can’t get game changing sacks when the offense doesn’t keep it close
Sack 1 was all because of Ojualri and sack 2 was in a meaningless part of the game. In between not much happened..
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benching Eli.
Yep, back when the BBI braintrust said all the Giants needed was a mobile QB.
People freaked out because they ended Eli’s consecutive start streak in a lost season. Also are you that impressed with Geno? I’m not talking about in comparison to jones, just in general
Again? Eli ended Eli's starting streak. HE chose not to start.
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0 turnover
4 sacks
On the year for the defense. We rip Thibs almost every week but he’s 3 of the 4 sacks lol
There’s a difference between getting random sacks and getting game changing sacks. Nothing he does is game-changing and has yet to impress me at all.
Can’t get game changing sacks when the offense doesn’t keep it close
Has nothing to do with the offense keeping it close. Where are the sacks on third down? The sacks in the red zone? I wanna see him put a spark in the damn team and change the momentum of the game. Dude is a ghost out there.
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0 turnover
4 sacks
On the year for the defense. We rip Thibs almost every week but he’s 3 of the 4 sacks lol
There’s a difference between getting random sacks and getting game changing sacks. Nothing he does is game-changing and has yet to impress me at all.
Can’t get game changing sacks when the offense doesn’t keep it close
Has nothing to do with the offense keeping it close. Where are the sacks on third down? The sacks in the red zone? I wanna see him put a spark in the damn team and change the momentum of the game. Dude is a ghost out there.
He got a sack on third down the first possesion. Our offense came back with dogshit.
And Seahawks only had 5 sacks in 3 games going into the game.
I agree completely. These players are bad. But the front office picked a lot of these players and the coaching staff is not maximizing whatever strengths these players have.
It's been an extremely poor job by both Schoen and Daboll in year 2.
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wow.. just wow..
And Seahawks only had 5 sacks in 3 games going into the game.
Jones escaped a few. Could have been 15.
And then complain we have no offense because we cannot block.
Is anyone else screaming mad at the inability of the Giant organization to fix the damn o line.
Not sure if there’s and answer to the issues with this team when the issues are that we can’t field a competent oline. It’s clear Neal is a miss. It’s clear Edzuzu is nothing better than a backup. If Schmitz is out any length of time DJ better get some insurance.
Kudos to the defense who stood up as long as they can. You cannot expect a defense to pitch a shutout when the offense is so poor.
And Schoen and Daboll need to stand up and take responsibility for this crap.
I dont want to hear anymore coach speak from Daboll. Why can we not tackle? Why can we not block? Why can we not field punts? Why do we not stick with the power run,?
We are worse than a joe judge coached team. Let that sink in.
2) The OL was obviously bad. But, using that as an excuse for everything, especially Jones is a mistake. Most of the sacks came when Seattle was up a couple of scores and could pin their ears back.
3) Jones held the ball too long regardless of the pressure. He doesn't even seem like he's going through progressions; he's just looking. He never throws it away and he made bad decisions and throws again.
4) This team is not disciplined in any aspect of the game.
5) I'm beginning to think last year was the anomaly all around. Coaching. HC. Jones. I'm not fully convinced, but they are making it hard not to.
6) How many ST fuck ups must we have before they move on?
And then complain we have no offense because we cannot block.
Is anyone else screaming mad at the inability of the Giant organization to fix the damn o line.
I mean they are paying a LT 25M a year. Used a top 10
Pick on the RT. Used a 2nd round pick on the C. They are investing. They are just doing a bad job of choosing the right players and injuries hav hit them too to create a bad situation
It will just be year 3.
Can't put the previous mess on them.
And then complain we have no offense because we cannot block.
Is anyone else screaming mad at the inability of the Giant organization to fix the damn o line.
They drafted a CB and a center in the first two rounds.
The overall team looks slow despite the addition of speed. Okereke has played poorly. Our WRs are still crappy, its basically the same guys plus Campbell. Waller looks average at best. I am not seeing elite movement. The team just looks slow and plodding. This was a winnable game and they were lifeless.
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Is pointless. This team will be picking in the top 5 and will be picking a QB. Daboll and Schoen will want their guy. Jones will be the punching bag in ‘24 as the OL enters year 13 of the rebuild and the new QB will step in ‘25.
It will just be year 3.
Can't put the previous mess on them.
Ok, who has this regime picked or acquired in FA that has shown any promise outside of JMS?
Picking a tackle at 7 and then saying l, “well maybe he can play guard” is a miss. All off season we heard that Neal was hurt last year and he was working on his technique. What’s the excuse this year?
I’m still in on Schoen but he messed up this pick.
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#Giants will not score their first TD of the season at home until at least Oct. 22.
What if we only win one game?
Think about that. It is entirely possible. And that win was a fluke.
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Is pointless. This team will be picking in the top 5 and will be picking a QB. Daboll and Schoen will want their guy. Jones will be the punching bag in ‘24 as the OL enters year 13 of the rebuild and the new QB will step in ‘25.
It will just be year 3.
Can't put the previous mess on them.
Ok, who has this regime picked or acquired in FA that has shown any promise outside of JMS?
Come on. Banks and Hawkins look like decent players. KT will be good. Last year they picked up guys in the bottom of other rosters who started for us, like Hoskins and McBride. I think the Waller trade will turn out great.
DJ is playing poorly and that’s 80% the offensive line, who are playing as badly as any single unit in football. They are not close to even competent. Usually if a line is bad they are at least decent at run blocking. Not this crew which is really about the depth on the bench at this point.
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#Giants will not score their first TD of the season at home until at least Oct. 22.
What if we only win one game?
Think about that. It is entirely possible. And that win was a fluke.
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Lets draft a cornerback and a receiver in the first two rounds because our o line is solid.
And then complain we have no offense because we cannot block.
Is anyone else screaming mad at the inability of the Giant organization to fix the damn o line.
I mean they are paying a LT 25M a year. Used a top 10
Pick on the RT. Used a 2nd round pick on the C. They are investing. They are just doing a bad job of choosing the right players and injuries hav hit them too to create a bad situation
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Organizational failure.
What if we only win one game?
Think about that. It is entirely possible. And that win was a fluke.
theres no way Mara pets with JS no matter what happens this year. Daboll deserves to be on this ice if he can’t rally this team to at least play halfway decent fundamental football and be competitive while losing. Winning is now out of the question. It’s about how fundamentally sound can we lose. Fuckin A this franchise is just awful
If they lose out there's no way they keep this regime. Mara has to sell tickets.
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Organizational failure.
What if we only win one game?
Think about that. It is entirely possible. And that win was a fluke.
theres no way Mara pets with JS no matter what happens this year. Daboll deserves to be on this ice if he can’t rally this team to at least play halfway decent fundamental football and be competitive while losing. Winning is now out of the question. It’s about how fundamentally sound can we lose. Fuckin A this franchise is just awful
If they lose out there's no way they keep this regime. Mara has to sell tickets.
Fans will come in 2024. This isn’t like summers in Pittsburg with the Pirates. That being said, if this is a 3-4 win year, both Schoen and daboll come back but they are on the hot seat. Anything less than 7 wins should result in their dismissal.
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Is pointless. This team will be picking in the top 5 and will be picking a QB. Daboll and Schoen will want their guy. Jones will be the punching bag in ‘24 as the OL enters year 13 of the rebuild and the new QB will step in ‘25.
It will just be year 3.
Can't put the previous mess on them.
Ok, who has this regime picked or acquired in FA that has shown any promise outside of JMS?
Come on. Banks and Hawkins look like decent players. KT will be good. Last year they picked up guys in the bottom of other rosters who started for us, like Hoskins and McBride. I think the Waller trade will turn out great.
DJ is playing poorly and that’s 80% the offensive line, who are playing as badly as any single unit in football. They are not close to even competent. Usually if a line is bad they are at least decent at run blocking. Not this crew which is really about the depth on the bench at this point.
Read the post again.
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Organizational failure.
What if we only win one game?
Think about that. It is entirely possible. And that win was a fluke.
theres no way Mara pets with JS no matter what happens this year. Daboll deserves to be on this ice if he can’t rally this team to at least play halfway decent fundamental football and be competitive while losing. Winning is now out of the question. It’s about how fundamentally sound can we lose. Fuckin A this franchise is just awful
If they lose out there's no way they keep this regime. Mara has to sell tickets.
Fans will come in 2024. This isn’t like summers in Pittsburg with the Pirates. That being said, if this is a 3-4 win year, both Schoen and daboll come back but they are on the hot seat. Anything less than 7 wins should result in their dismissal.
** In 2024 for Schoen and Daboll **
What if we only win one game?
Think about that. It is entirely possible. And that win was a fluke.
That would be the best thing that ever happened to them. Caleb or Drake Maye from this debacle of a season would be worth it.
And I say that as someone who’s always defended Daniel Jones.
Year 13 had me dead sad but true
Someone has to be the worst team in the NFL.
Looks like that could be us.
Can we at least get the #1 Draft pick?
There isn't a single player on the team who makes a teammate better.
The team's coaching does not know how to call successful plays.
Coaching does not know how to develop or find roles for young players.
Very few players know how to block or tackle.
Special teams make mistakes on fourth down.
As bad as the OL was, Jones was holding the ball like a rookie backup. Against SF switching QBs wouldn't have changed the outcome. Last night with Geno Smith we win -- maybe win running away.
I question Daboll in every way also, and Kafka. While the difference between a brilliant play call and not is whether it works, the passing ip FGs, inexplicable tush push, and futility of the plays called with a veteran QB are all very disappointing.
Four of these five offensive linemen with a couple credible backups, plus Joones, is the bed they made. Right now it's looking like lying in it will lead to another regime change. A level of development and growth is expected but that's not an NFL quality offense on the field.
this is fair
2) The OL was obviously bad. But, using that as an excuse for everything, especially Jones is a mistake. Most of the sacks came when Seattle was up a couple of scores and could pin their ears back.
3) Jones held the ball too long regardless of the pressure. He doesn't even seem like he's going through progressions; he's just looking. He never throws it away and he made bad decisions and throws again.
4) This team is not disciplined in any aspect of the game.
5) I'm beginning to think last year was the anomaly all around. Coaching. HC. Jones. I'm not fully convinced, but they are making it hard not to.
6) How many ST fuck ups must we have before they move on?
This goes back to last year. The team's been bad since our 6-1 start.
Someone has to be the worst team in the NFL.
Looks like that could be us.
Can we at least get the #1 Draft pick?
Why, so we can pick the wrong guy?
Kafka, Johnson and McGaughey should be gone.
They have no idea how to pick up stunts.
They cannot block one on one…no push at all in run game.
Pass protection is a joke.
The JMS injury on first drive was huge.
What plays can you call with an OL that can’t execute a simple block
Don’t get me wrong…Jones sucked last night.
But step in his shoes for a moment.
The dude is running for his life on almost every pass play
How does Bobby Johnson coach this OL???
Kafka and Daboll are probably only using 10 to 15 percent of offensive playbook
Defenses know what type of plays we are going to run as the playbook is so limited.
How many years before we have a competitive OL ??
Don’t know the answer as all our OL draft picks fail miserably.
I was so wrong on Neal.I thought he was going to be a stud RT.
He is a guard maybe!!!
We could cluster draft OL on every pick next draft.
Would we succeed in finding guys who can block?
I seriously don’t know.
I am so over poor OL play
Team is going nowhere.
Sorry for the rant…but I feel we are back in 70’s.
Someone has to be the worst team in the NFL.
Looks like that could be us.
Can we at least get the #1 Draft pick?
Bears might be the worst team.
The giants will be picking top 5 unless they screw that up with some late season wins. Barkley, McKinney and Jackson should all be traded to whoever offers the highest picks.
one position group should never be this bad for this long. No matter the injuries this is inexcusable.
You can not change out the coaches and front office yet again so this time it has to be the players.
And then complain we have no offense because we cannot block.
Is anyone else screaming mad at the inability of the Giant organization to fix the damn o line.
Is that what you think happened this past draft?
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1) I am done with Wink and his shit D. 2 DL doesn't cut it. Telegraphing blitzes doesn't cut it. No tackling doesn't cut it.
2) The OL was obviously bad. But, using that as an excuse for everything, especially Jones is a mistake. Most of the sacks came when Seattle was up a couple of scores and could pin their ears back.
3) Jones held the ball too long regardless of the pressure. He doesn't even seem like he's going through progressions; he's just looking. He never throws it away and he made bad decisions and throws again.
4) This team is not disciplined in any aspect of the game.
5) I'm beginning to think last year was the anomaly all around. Coaching. HC. Jones. I'm not fully convinced, but they are making it hard not to.
6) How many ST fuck ups must we have before they move on?
This goes back to last year. The team's been bad since our 6-1 start.
They can’t beat good teams. Most of the time, they’re embarrassed by them. Oddly enough, since the midway point of last season, they’ve gotten a LOT of good teams on their schedule.
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This really hurts. Not only because Jones threw the game away here but because I needed Waller to get 10 points last night for my fantasy team to win.
Lose-Lose
* on Defense, a serial lack of finishing plays/playing to the whistle. They got a HUGE break with that overturned call. They could easily have said it was inconclusive. WTF are they all so happy with themselves about? As Taggart said in Blazing Saddles, why are you all dancing like bunch of Kansas City faggots? Finish the play! No whistle blew. Gang tackle. And I really thought Banks assumed the play was over on the Metcalf TD in the right corner. Total lack of discipline.
* tackling atrocious as usual.
* Okereke is not the guy I thought they were getting. Never saw him much at Indy, but figured Schoen (and how much input does Stink Martindale have there?)knew what he was doing. Misses way too many tackles, often out of position.
* the OL is a hot mess. but Jones was responsible for a few of those 11. One off the edge in the 1st qtr was definitely him not checking the D. Both Aikman and Peyton Manning called him out on that. That said, SEA had a patch work OL too and they moved the ball. Is the Giants D that bad, our OL and offensive coaching worse?
* what do you have to do to be fired as ST Coordinator of the NY Giants?
* re Jones, enough with the contract. It's really a 2 year deal and they can get out w/o much cap damage after next year if he doesn't turn it around. Right now he and the entire offense look like shit. So does the D. They could easily be 1-11 at the bye week. MIA, BUF and DAL are guaranteed losses, and none of the others can be considered "winnable" the way they are playing.
* Ojulari makes a difference. It's too bad he hasn't been able to stay healthy.
Oh well, on to hockey season. Let's Go Rangers.
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Someone has to be the worst team in the NFL.
Looks like that could be us.
Can we at least get the #1 Draft pick?
Bears might be the worst team.
The Bears would destroy this team