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Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/2/2023 10:34 pm
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Ugh  
Dnew15 : 10/2/2023 10:35 pm : link
Just ugh
TRASH  
ZogZerg : 10/2/2023 10:36 pm : link
College teams can beat these bums
what an amazing  
Giantsfan79 : 10/2/2023 10:36 pm : link
4th quarter comeback that was, one for the ages
Schoen has royally messed up  
Essex : 10/2/2023 10:36 pm : link
Like Getleman with Eli and trying to salvage it one last time

Schoen tried to build around Jones and Barkley
Daboll  
knowledgetimmons : 10/2/2023 10:36 pm : link
Giving too much rope to Kafka.

This game it took halfway until the third qtr was over until he took over play calling.

I think maybe the Giants should strive to make points in their first half. It could help!
Boy that was rough  
Sec 103 : 10/2/2023 10:36 pm : link
But saving some Z’a on a travel day.
Hockey will be better.
Insanely bad!
The Giants, Broncos, Cardinals, and Bears should all get relegated  
islander1 : 10/2/2023 10:36 pm : link
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Can we petituon the NFL  
Dankbeerman : 10/2/2023 10:36 pm : link
to move our bye week to Sunday. I need a break.
On that replay Waller looks  
slackerracker : 10/2/2023 10:37 pm : link
open for the TD, idk why he threw the short out and poorly at that.
Let it be noted that the postgame has begun.  
Mark C : 10/2/2023 10:37 pm : link
Time of death: 10:32pm.
Ben McAdoo 2: Electric Boogaloo  
guitarguybs12 : 10/2/2023 10:37 pm : link
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Do you think Kafka and wink will be hot Coaching cadidates this year?  
Rich_Houston_1971 : 10/2/2023 10:37 pm : link
lol
Well, looks like I get my Sundays back.  
81_Great_Dane : 10/2/2023 10:38 pm : link
Knicks basketball returns in a month, that should be fun.
Merge the Giants and the Jets  
Anakim : 10/2/2023 10:39 pm : link
So we can become one statewide embarrassment
Last year fools gold  
GiantsRage2007 : 10/2/2023 10:40 pm : link
Led to bringing back Jones, Barkley, Slayton etc

Schoen must be having second thoughts
When do the Knicks start?  
Larry in Pencilvania : 10/2/2023 10:40 pm : link
I need something
oh Man,,Seahawks were down 4 lineman and manhandeled our D  
Rich_Houston_1971 : 10/2/2023 10:41 pm : link
wow
RE: On that replay Waller looks  
Dankbeerman : 10/2/2023 10:41 pm : link
In comment 16229710 slackerracker said:
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open for the TD, idk why he threw the short out and poorly at that.
No go with the high percentage throw and sandwhich it in between 2 deffenders. I think Jones just cant see 21
Unfortunately since 2011...  
DefenseWins : 10/2/2023 10:42 pm : link
this organization has for the most part put a subpar product on the field.

This is much more than a QB, a coach, the OL or a GM. It is everything.

It is rotten from the core.

Some of you want the team to lose out to get a decent draft pick next year... lol
Wish we had this kinda season last year.  
bceagle05 : 10/2/2023 10:42 pm : link
Could’ve gotten higher draft picks to accelerate the rebuild, and moved on from Jones and Barkley.

Reminds me of what the Knicks have done the past three years - overachieve in year one, commit too much money to keep the flawed team together and crash back to earth in year two. Knicks were able to take two steps forward in year three - hope the Giants can too.
This was such a winnable game  
Chris684 : 10/2/2023 10:43 pm : link
And Daboll needs to take a lot of blame here as well.

WTF have we been doing to start the season? What were we doing all summer long during training camp? What are we doing in the first half of these games?

We are trying to tush push on 4th and longer than 1?

Daboll has been terrible since the Philly playoff game.
if we just kick the ball  
Dankbeerman : 10/2/2023 10:46 pm : link
on 4th and 1 its 14-9
….  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 10/2/2023 10:46 pm : link
Now what?

I know losing AT was the one of the few guys they couldn’t afford to lose.

But man, what’s the the defense? The Seahawks don’t have one oline starter going
Ive never been out on a season this early  
blueblood : 10/2/2023 10:47 pm : link
this team is HORRIBLE.. they arent even REMOTELY competitive..
it's going to show just how bad we are  
islander1 : 10/2/2023 10:47 pm : link
in the next two weeks. holy shit.
.  
Danny Kanell : 10/2/2023 10:48 pm : link
There have been some horrific seasons the last decade or so and also in my lifetime but this might be the most joyless and painful start to a Giants season I can ever remember.
You can't expect much  
prdave73 : 10/2/2023 10:48 pm : link
without an offensive line. period. Jones probably wouldn't be having such a bad season if he had a consistent Oline. This is more the Giants Org, scout, OC, DC, and GM. Damn look at the Cowboys and how deep they are. There backup corner Bland, could turn out to be even better than Diggs??!!? Damn..
RE: .  
BlueHurricane : 10/2/2023 10:50 pm : link
In comment 16229857 Danny Kanell said:
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There have been some horrific seasons the last decade or so and also in my lifetime but this might be the most joyless and painful start to a Giants season I can ever remember.


You ain’t wrong
The don’t regress  
46and2Blue : 10/2/2023 10:50 pm : link
It’s much more than that
Remember 1-12-1  
DoctorT : 10/2/2023 10:51 pm : link
We are that bad-
The whole country will be protesting putting this team on Monday night  
gtt350 : 10/2/2023 10:51 pm : link
thank god there will be none next year.
RE: .  
rocco8112 : 10/2/2023 10:51 pm : link
In comment 16229857 Danny Kanell said:
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There have been some horrific seasons the last decade or so and also in my lifetime but this might be the most joyless and painful start to a Giants season I can ever remember.


Now that is saying something. Sad and true.
Entering dangerous territory here folks  
UticaMike : 10/2/2023 10:51 pm : link
DJ looks shellshocked.
RE: You can't expect much  
46and2Blue : 10/2/2023 10:51 pm : link
In comment 16229868 prdave73 said:
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without an offensive line. period. Jones probably wouldn't be having such a bad season if he had a consistent Oline. This is more the Giants Org, scout, OC, DC, and GM. Damn look at the Cowboys and how deep they are. There backup corner Bland, could turn out to be even better than Diggs??!!? Damn..


True to some extent but when he’s had time he been awful too…a good qb can make a bad line look better than it is
11 days off and they still looked lost and scared  
Rich_Houston_1971 : 10/2/2023 10:52 pm : link
unbelievable
Oline  
armstead98 : 10/2/2023 10:52 pm : link
Thinking to next year, move Neal to RG and hope he’s ok there. Draft or sign a RT. Depressing
Defense was good enough to win tonight  
Dnew15 : 10/2/2023 10:52 pm : link
That’s a good thing ….


Right????
Does Mara throw a chair down or kick a trash can tonight?  
St. Jimmy : 10/2/2023 10:53 pm : link
This game was over too early for that in my opinion.
Looking forward.....  
MauiYankee : 10/2/2023 10:53 pm : link
Who does this team beat?
Let's not forget Geno Smith was a Giant and everyone freaked out  
gtt350 : 10/2/2023 10:53 pm : link
benching Eli.
I’m so disgusted  
Breeze_94 : 10/2/2023 10:54 pm : link
Offensively this is the worst team I can remember. I’m starting to question myself for how much time and emotion I invest into this team. And they continuously let me down
RE: Oline  
Breeze_94 : 10/2/2023 10:56 pm : link
In comment 16229941 armstead98 said:
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Thinking to next year, move Neal to RG and hope he’s ok there. Draft or sign a RT. Depressing


Needs
QB
WR1
RB (Saquon prob gone)
LG
RG
RT
Swing tackle
Backup C

That’s just the offense
RE: On that replay Waller looks  
Eman11 : 10/2/2023 10:56 pm : link
In comment 16229710 slackerracker said:
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open for the TD, idk why he threw the short out and poorly at that.


No doubt but he’s been under the gun at the snap and maybe if he had another second he could’ve looked that way.

Looks to me like he’s just happy to be able to get the pass off without being sacked and that’s no way to be successful. He hasn’t lifted the team but neither has the coaching.
RE: Do you think Kafka and wink will be hot Coaching cadidates this year?  
Joe Beckwith : 10/2/2023 10:56 pm : link
In comment 16229722 Rich_Houston_1971 said:
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lol

I hope so
RE: Let's not forget Geno Smith was a Giant and everyone freaked out  
WillVAB : 10/2/2023 10:58 pm : link
In comment 16229955 gtt350 said:
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benching Eli.


Yep, back when the BBI braintrust said all the Giants needed was a mobile QB.
If they get into the top 5  
46and2Blue : 10/2/2023 10:58 pm : link
I’m seriously making a run for Harrison jr …a free agency has to be at one maybe two veteran offensive lineman ….growing your own isn’t working
Do we need to see anything more  
Chris L. : 10/2/2023 11:00 pm : link
from this QB???????
RE: RE: On that replay Waller looks  
46and2Blue : 10/2/2023 11:00 pm : link
In comment 16229992 Eman11 said:
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open for the TD, idk why he threw the short out and poorly at that.

Looked to me like he had time to find a second read…. Seemed determined to Throw to Campbell

No doubt but he’s been under the gun at the snap and maybe if he had another second he could’ve looked that way.

Looks to me like he’s just happy to be able to get the pass off without being sacked and that’s no way to be successful. He hasn’t lifted the team but neither has the coaching.
RE: If they get into the top 5  
blueblood : 10/2/2023 11:00 pm : link
In comment 16230019 46and2Blue said:
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I’m seriously making a run for Harrison jr …a free agency has to be at one maybe two veteran offensive lineman ….growing your own isn’t working


If they get into the Top 5 they better make a run for a QB.
Cherry on top would be a Joe Judge like postgame diatribe from Daboll  
guitarguybs12 : 10/2/2023 11:00 pm : link
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FUCKING  
thrunthrublue : 10/2/2023 11:03 pm : link
DISGUSTING, AM COMPLETELY EMBARRASSED. BY FAR THEY ARE LAST IN THE NFC EAST, HOPEFULLY IF THEY RISE TO THEIR BEST EFFORTS, THEY END UP 1-16.
defense played okay  
LittleBlue : 10/2/2023 11:03 pm : link
only really gave up 7 points that weren’t gift wrapped by Jones, and that was on a flukey play
RE: FUCKING  
Ned In Atlanta : 10/2/2023 11:03 pm : link
In comment 16230072 thrunthrublue said:
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DISGUSTING, AM COMPLETELY EMBARRASSED. BY FAR THEY ARE LAST IN THE NFC EAST, HOPEFULLY IF THEY RISE TO THEIR BEST EFFORTS, THEY END UP 1-16.


*last in the NFL
RE: Ben McAdoo 2: Electric Boogaloo  
Wiggy : 10/2/2023 11:04 pm : link
In comment 16229720 guitarguybs12 said:
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at least a Breakin reference cheered me up
Is it bad that I didn't realize  
Larry in Pencilvania : 10/2/2023 11:04 pm : link
Ojulari was playing?

Sigh
RE: RE: You can't expect much  
Blueblue : 10/2/2023 11:06 pm : link
In comment 16229931 46and2Blue said:
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without an offensive line. period. Jones probably wouldn't be having such a bad season if he had a consistent Oline. This is more the Giants Org, scout, OC, DC, and GM. Damn look at the Cowboys and how deep they are. There backup corner Bland, could turn out to be even better than Diggs??!!? Damn..



True to some extent but when he’s had time he been awful too…a good qb can make a bad line look better than it is


It is completely true. Can’t expect good qb play with a league worse oline. A good qb can make a ok oline look better. Any qb is dead in the water with a horrible oline.
Seinfeld is on right now  
giantstock : 10/2/2023 11:07 pm : link
The Episode is "The Serentiy Now."

Serenity Now.
Serenity Now!!!
This is the Softess, non tough Giant team I have watch the last 50 yrs  
Rich_Houston_1971 : 10/2/2023 11:07 pm : link
this team is soft and not tough at all really a major embarassement. They need to fire sale this whole team
RE: RE: Let's not forget Geno Smith was a Giant and everyone freaked out  
Everyone Relax : 10/2/2023 11:07 pm : link
In comment 16230016 WillVAB said:
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In comment 16229955 gtt350 said:


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benching Eli.



Yep, back when the BBI braintrust said all the Giants needed was a mobile QB.

People freaked out because they ended Eli’s consecutive start streak in a lost season. Also are you that impressed with Geno? I’m not talking about in comparison to jones, just in general
Do the Giants  
wonderback : 10/2/2023 11:08 pm : link
Actually have an offensive left tackle playing in this game?
We’ll always have the Cardinals  
ajr2456 : 10/2/2023 11:08 pm : link
Second half.
I may detest...  
bw in dc : 10/2/2023 11:09 pm : link
Pete Carroll as much as detest Sirianni.
Daboll  
Hilary : 10/2/2023 11:09 pm : link
Daboll should be fired for keeping DJ in the game
RE: Let's not forget Geno Smith was a Giant and everyone freaked out  
DefenseWins : 10/2/2023 11:10 pm : link
In comment 16229955 gtt350 said:
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benching Eli.


THAT was a huge problem. It looked like the coaches were ready to move on from Eli but the fans freaked and made a big deal out of the streak. I think it scared ownership into hanging onto Eli too long.
RE: We’ll always have the Cardinals  
bceagle05 : 10/2/2023 11:10 pm : link
In comment 16230152 ajr2456 said:
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Second half.

Two good quarters out of 16 so far. Two weeks from now it’ll be two good quarters out of 24.
This team is just horrendous,  
Simms11 : 10/2/2023 11:10 pm : link
I’d say poorly coached, but I don’t know if it’s coaching or what? Just not fun to watch.
You dint fire Daboll or Schoen  
nygiants16 : 10/2/2023 11:11 pm : link
but this coming offseason is as big as it gets for them and if they are lucky enough to get Caleb Williams, Schoen needs to spend every dime and every asset to get a lefit LG, RG and RT..
This is a total indictment...  
bw in dc : 10/2/2023 11:11 pm : link
of the entire organization.

This team should never be allowed on prime time for a long, long time.
RE: RE: RE: Let's not forget Geno Smith was a Giant and everyone freaked out  
WillVAB : 10/2/2023 11:11 pm : link
In comment 16230138 Everyone Relax said:
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In comment 16229955 gtt350 said:


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benching Eli.



Yep, back when the BBI braintrust said all the Giants needed was a mobile QB.


People freaked out because they ended Eli’s consecutive start streak in a lost season. Also are you that impressed with Geno? I’m not talking about in comparison to jones, just in general


Impressed? No, I’m more impressed with how well run Seattle is as an organization. I wish the Giants could draft and develop OL talent like them.
RE: RE: We’ll always have the Cardinals  
ajr2456 : 10/2/2023 11:11 pm : link
In comment 16230175 bceagle05 said:
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Second half.


Two good quarters out of 16 so far. Two weeks from now it’ll be two good quarters out of 24.


Got attacked by the typical group for saying something was fundamentally wrong with this team.
Not one TD at home yet. Only 3 points!! wow,  
Rich_Houston_1971 : 10/2/2023 11:12 pm : link
Really bad and were in october
People still can’t see that Jones sucks and continue to make excuses  
bwitz : 10/2/2023 11:12 pm : link
Morons gonna moron.
Dolphins get extra possessions from bad NYG offense  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/2/2023 11:12 pm : link
Like this and they'll breeze to 50 points.
RE: This is a total indictment...  
DefenseWins : 10/2/2023 11:13 pm : link
In comment 16230189 bw in dc said:
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This team should never be allowed on prime time for a long, long time.


Betting against the Giants on prime time will produce better returns than the best financial advisor could do for you.
RE: Unfortunately since 2011...  
FStubbs : 10/2/2023 11:14 pm : link
In comment 16229780 DefenseWins said:
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this organization has for the most part put a subpar product on the field.

This is much more than a QB, a coach, the OL or a GM. It is everything.

It is rotten from the core.

Some of you want the team to lose out to get a decent draft pick next year... lol


Eh - losing out could get someone to dump the entire front office, including all the scouts.
RE: Dolphins get extra possessions from bad NYG offense  
mfsd : 10/2/2023 11:14 pm : link
In comment 16230203 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Like this and they'll breeze to 50 points.


At least
Just like the DAL game  
mittenedman : 10/2/2023 11:14 pm : link
the longer the offense stays on the field, the worse it gets.

Boring, bad football team.
RE: Dolphins get extra possessions from bad NYG offense  
FStubbs : 10/2/2023 11:14 pm : link
In comment 16230203 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Like this and they'll breeze to 50 points.


They could score 80 on this team.
Kafka needs to be sat down  
widmerseyebrow : 10/2/2023 11:14 pm : link
I get that that's one of many problems, but Daboll is going to lose the team if he doesn't take the reigns and shake things up.
RE: You dint fire Daboll or Schoen  
FStubbs : 10/2/2023 11:14 pm : link
In comment 16230184 nygiants16 said:
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but this coming offseason is as big as it gets for them and if they are lucky enough to get Caleb Williams, Schoen needs to spend every dime and every asset to get a lefit LG, RG and RT..


And they'll come right in and suck.
Schoen whole design for the team is flawed big time  
Rich_Houston_1971 : 10/2/2023 11:15 pm : link
No Toughness and lack of competitiveness and physicality. Also, the giant players do not look in shape. Which is really bad.

This team is comprised of pussies.

This is downright embarrassing  
GiantBlue : 10/2/2023 11:15 pm : link
I have been a fan since 1965 and I am questioning whether there needs to be a complete reversal. We are near the cap! No excuse like our ownership won’t spend the money or we are a small market team.

This is just unbelievable! You can’t try to suck as much as we suck.
Think it’s time  
WillVAB : 10/2/2023 11:16 pm : link
To work the phones and see if they can get picks for Barkley, Williams, and Jackson.
Season is over  
Mr. Nickels : 10/2/2023 11:16 pm : link
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It's fair for Schoen to take criticism  
moespree : 10/2/2023 11:17 pm : link
Very little contributions from most (not all) of the moves he has made in 2 seasons with the team.
Every bit as bad as McAdoo  
mittenedman : 10/2/2023 11:18 pm : link
& Judge.
As  
AcidTest : 10/2/2023 11:18 pm : link
I said in the game thread, I am 58. This is by far the worst OL I have ever seen. That's on Schoen IMO. He drafted or signed Ezeudu, McKethan, Neal, and Glowinski. Glowinski is done and the others look like they don't have the lateral ability or agility to play at this level, something that should have been self evident when they were scouted. They can't move sideways quickly enough to succeed in the NFL.

All those weapons Schoen signed, traded for, and drafted, are all irrelevant because the OL still sucks.

Jones isn't seeing the whole field and understandably doesn't trust his OL to give him time to do so. He's part of the problem, but at least he's produced in the past.

On defense, we still can't tackle, and are being repeatedly gashed up the middle. The run defense is really bad and we aren't generating much pressure.

The Giants might be the worst team in the league.
The Seahawks defense was shredded  
ajr2456 : 10/2/2023 11:19 pm : link
By the ghost of Andy Dalton. It’s only going to get worse from here
How good an OL Coach  
bc4life : 10/2/2023 11:19 pm : link
is Bobby Johnson?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Let's not forget Geno Smith was a Giant and everyone freaked out  
Everyone Relax : 10/2/2023 11:19 pm : link
In comment 16230190 WillVAB said:
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In comment 16230016 WillVAB said:


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In comment 16229955 gtt350 said:


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benching Eli.



Yep, back when the BBI braintrust said all the Giants needed was a mobile QB.


People freaked out because they ended Eli’s consecutive start streak in a lost season. Also are you that impressed with Geno? I’m not talking about in comparison to jones, just in general



Impressed? No, I’m more impressed with how well run Seattle is as an organization. I wish the Giants could draft and develop OL talent like them.

Completely agree.
As awful as Jones was, Daboll deserves to be taken to the woodshed  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/2/2023 11:20 pm : link
over this. What exactly was the team doing the last week and a half??


I had no faith whatsoever in them winning the game, but it somehow turned out worse than I could’ve imagined.
RE: You dint fire Daboll or Schoen  
JT039 : 10/2/2023 11:20 pm : link
In comment 16230184 nygiants16 said:
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but this coming offseason is as big as it gets for them and if they are lucky enough to get Caleb Williams, Schoen needs to spend every dime and every asset to get a lefit LG, RG and RT..


Schoen has shown nothing so far.
Digusting.  
sb2003 : 10/2/2023 11:20 pm : link
this year is mind boggling.

One beautiful drive in the preseason, everything was golden, especially coming off of last year.

The smack of reality is really setting in tonight. We're in for a rough season with a lot questions to be answered, a lot of finger pointing and a lot of blame.

This team fucking blows in every aspect of the game.
Trade Barkley once he’s healthy  
bwitz : 10/2/2023 11:21 pm : link
This team is going nowhere this year with this OP and a non NFL QB like Jones.
This  
AcidTest : 10/2/2023 11:21 pm : link
is at best a three or four win team.
RE: Do we need to see anything more  
bluewave : 10/2/2023 11:22 pm : link
In comment 16230034 Chris L. said:
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from this QB???????


Trade him to the Washington Redskins for a 6th round pick. You good with that?
We  
AcidTest : 10/2/2023 11:24 pm : link
will likely be 1-7, maybe 2-6, by the trade deadline. If that happens, we should definitely be trading players for picks next year.
Anyone who puts all this on Jones  
DJ5150 : 10/2/2023 11:25 pm : link
Is a clueless fucking moron…sure he’s shell shocked and happy feet… but who the fuck wouldn’t be?
RE: We  
Sammo85 : 10/2/2023 11:25 pm : link
In comment 16230326 AcidTest said:
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will likely be 1-7, maybe 2-6, by the trade deadline. If that happens, we should definitely be trading players for picks next year.


Barkley, Waller, Adoree, L-Williams. No doubt.
This  
JayBid : 10/2/2023 11:26 pm : link
IS the worst team in the league and it’s not really close.

Completely underprepared and out coached. It’s unbelievably bad
RE: I may detest...  
jvm52106 : 10/2/2023 11:26 pm : link
In comment 16230166 bw in dc said:
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Pete Carroll as much as detest Sirianni.


Wow, for once I completely agree with you. The media forgets how he fucked USC and then ran before the shit hit the fan.
DJ sacked 11 times.. he took a licking tonight  
Rich_Houston_1971 : 10/2/2023 11:27 pm : link
That alone caused the pick 6. he didn't even see waller
Has there been any news on JMS  
stoneman : 10/2/2023 11:27 pm : link
he disappeared with no news/update
Tunes was ripping  
mittenedman : 10/2/2023 11:27 pm : link
this offense before the game.

Nothing under center. Shotgun happy with a terrible pass blocking OL and a struggling QB.

How about going 2 TE with QB under C and mixing it up a little? Show some play variation. The fact they can’t get Waller involved if even just situationally is bizarre.

What about all those reports from camp how unstoppable he looked?

This fucking team. It’s fascinating how bad they are.
RE: Anyone who puts all this on Jones  
JoeyBigBlue : 10/2/2023 11:27 pm : link
In comment 16230335 DJ5150 said:
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Is a clueless fucking moron…sure he’s shell shocked and happy feet… but who the fuck wouldn’t be?


He didn’t help the situation. He’s scared to throw the ball 10 yards down the field. He’s need giving his guys a chance to make a play.
*Tynes  
mittenedman : 10/2/2023 11:27 pm : link
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Schoen doesn't deserve any kind of pass  
moespree : 10/2/2023 11:28 pm : link
The team is awful. Most of the moves he has made have contributed absolutely nothing. I wouldn't fire him this season, but I mean there's really nothing there from him to think he deserves any kind of long-term future.

The drafts have been bad. The free agent moves have been bad. The trades have been bad.
The  
AcidTest : 10/2/2023 11:28 pm : link
OL is a much bigger problem than Jones IMO.
RE: RE: Do we need to see anything more  
LittleBlue : 10/2/2023 11:28 pm : link
In comment 16230312 bluewave said:
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from this QB???????



Trade him to the Washington Redskins for a 6th round pick. You good with that?


Yes I would be happy with that, mostly because I kind of like Jones personally and think he deserves a shot with a real OL.
Aikman  
bc4life : 10/2/2023 11:29 pm : link
suggested some of the wrs were noy running full speed.
RE: How good an OL Coach  
wonderback : 10/2/2023 11:29 pm : link
In comment 16230288 bc4life said:
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is Bobby Johnson?


That’s a great question. Would love to know the answer.
football is a weird game  
LittleBlue : 10/2/2023 11:30 pm : link
in both this game and the Dallas game, we drove down the field on the opening drive quite effectively.

here a bad 4th and 1 play and there a bad false start ended drives that otherwise could have changed the complexion of the game.
Shawn O'hara making excuses on the post game  
Rich_Houston_1971 : 10/2/2023 11:30 pm : link
a multi million dollar post game show and he won't admit the team is horrid or come down on the coaches or players for the performance
RE: RE: Anyone who puts all this on Jones  
Thunderstruck27 : 10/2/2023 11:30 pm : link
In comment 16230359 JoeyBigBlue said:
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Is a clueless fucking moron…sure he’s shell shocked and happy feet… but who the fuck wouldn’t be?



He didn’t help the situation. He’s scared to throw the ball 10 yards down the field. He’s need giving his guys a chance to make a play.


What has me honestly freaked out is how uncomfortable he looks throwing deep. While he hasn't thrown deep a ton the last couple years he never looked scared to. Tonight he did.
RE: Aikman  
jvm52106 : 10/2/2023 11:30 pm : link
In comment 16230375 bc4life said:
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suggested some of the wrs were noy running full speed.


He said that not in reference to to ight but so far this season. That is pretty damning...
Devon Witherspoon said they knew DJ stares down first target  
Sean : 10/2/2023 11:30 pm : link
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RE: RE: Let's not forget Geno Smith was a Giant and everyone freaked out  
FStubbs : 10/2/2023 11:30 pm : link
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benching Eli.



THAT was a huge problem. It looked like the coaches were ready to move on from Eli but the fans freaked and made a big deal out of the streak. I think it scared ownership into hanging onto Eli too long.


And management again failed to understand why people were upset. They weren't upset Eli was benched, they were upset he was benched for Geno Smith - who had no future in NY - so it was a wasted move. Had they benched him for Davis Webb, there would've been a lot less complaints, because seeing what the rookie 3rd round pick could do (in retrospect, admittedly not much) would've been a reasonable decision.
RE: The  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/2/2023 11:31 pm : link
In comment 16230373 AcidTest said:
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OL is a much bigger problem than Jones IMO.


The former has led to the latter being a disaster. He might be beyond saving at this point.
RE: Schoen doesn't deserve any kind of pass  
AcidTest : 10/2/2023 11:31 pm : link
In comment 16230372 moespree said:
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The team is awful. Most of the moves he has made have contributed absolutely nothing. I wouldn't fire him this season, but I mean there's really nothing there from him to think he deserves any kind of long-term future.

The drafts have been bad. The free agent moves have been bad. The trades have been bad.


Tend to agree, although he has ironically found some serviceable players on day three of the draft. But right now, Thibs and Neal are not close to being worthy of their draft slots and the OL is historically bad.
RE: Tunes was ripping  
JayBid : 10/2/2023 11:32 pm : link
In comment 16230357 mittenedman said:
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this offense before the game.

Nothing under center. Shotgun happy with a terrible pass blocking OL and a struggling QB.

How about going 2 TE with QB under C and mixing it up a little? Show some play variation. The fact they can’t get Waller involved if even just situationally is bizarre.


Was going to start a thread on this.

Where’s the Tackle help? When’s the last time we chipped on the edge? Consistently stayed with a power run game? Or loaded up with max protect and ran deep routes.

Do something different, eh? Cause this is disastrous.

Looking back to last year it was the same. The were terrible and refused to change until being forced to use the running game. Can’t believe how bad this is.
What about all those reports from camp how unstoppable he looked?

This fucking team. It’s fascinating how bad they are.
RE: RE: The  
wonderback : 10/2/2023 11:33 pm : link
In comment 16230392 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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OL is a much bigger problem than Jones IMO.



The former has led to the latter being a disaster. He might be beyond saving at this point.


So why would another QB without fixing the OL yield any different result?

Honest question.
RE: Devon Witherspoon said they knew DJ stares down first target  
AcidTest : 10/2/2023 11:34 pm : link
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I think part of that is because he doesn't trust his OL to give him enough time to look at more than his first read. But I agree that he still needs to do a better job scanning the field.
RE: How good an OL Coach  
Ron Johnson : 10/2/2023 11:34 pm : link
In comment 16230288 bc4life said:
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is Bobby Johnson?


The proof is in the pudding.
Team not prepared to play football  
Rick in Dallas : 10/2/2023 11:34 pm : link
I don’t know what to say about this offense
They just can’t block and protect their QB.

RE: Team not prepared to play football  
sb2003 : 10/2/2023 11:35 pm : link
In comment 16230414 Rick in Dallas said:
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I don’t know what to say about this offense
They just can’t block and protect their QB.


This might be the worst offensive line to ever play in a pro game.
11 sacks..  
prdave73 : 10/2/2023 11:35 pm : link
wow.. just wow..
For as bad as jones and the offense has been…  
JT039 : 10/2/2023 11:35 pm : link
0 turnover
4 sacks

On the year for the defense. We rip Thibs almost every week but he’s 3 of the 4 sacks lol
RE: RE: RE: Let's not forget Geno Smith was a Giant and everyone freaked out  
HoodieGelo : 10/2/2023 11:36 pm : link
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benching Eli.



THAT was a huge problem. It looked like the coaches were ready to move on from Eli but the fans freaked and made a big deal out of the streak. I think it scared ownership into hanging onto Eli too long.



And management again failed to understand why people were upset. They weren't upset Eli was benched, they were upset he was benched for Geno Smith - who had no future in NY - so it was a wasted move. Had they benched him for Davis Webb, there would've been a lot less complaints, because seeing what the rookie 3rd round pick could do (in retrospect, admittedly not much) would've been a reasonable decision.


This^^^^ can we please stop acting like Geno fucking Smith is any bit relevant? He’s a journeyman system QB in an incredibly run organization, nothing more. For how bad the Giants are, Seattle should be embarrassed they technically were still in the game until the fourth quarter.
RE: RE: RE: The  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/2/2023 11:37 pm : link
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OL is a much bigger problem than Jones IMO.



The former has led to the latter being a disaster. He might be beyond saving at this point.



So why would another QB without fixing the OL yield any different result?

Honest question.


At this point, they’ve used so many high end picks on the line that using another doesn’t seem like the best idea.

They’re better off just starting from scratch and that begins with a new QB if they’re picking that high.
RE: Anyone who puts all this on Jones  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/2/2023 11:37 pm : link
In comment 16230335 DJ5150 said:
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Is a clueless fucking moron…sure he’s shell shocked and happy feet… but who the fuck wouldn’t be?

Is anyone putting it 100% on Jones?

I feel like everyone recognizes that the biggest problem by far is the offensive line. And I also feel like it's possible to recognize that while simultaneously acknowledging that Jones hasn't played well, independent of the OL. It doesn't have to be mutually exclusive; both things can be true.
defense got some stops  
bc4life : 10/2/2023 11:37 pm : link
but they were getting gashed there for a while.


Not enough physical players on defense.
RE: For as bad as jones and the offense has been…  
HoodieGelo : 10/2/2023 11:38 pm : link
In comment 16230429 JT039 said:
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0 turnover
4 sacks

On the year for the defense. We rip Thibs almost every week but he’s 3 of the 4 sacks lol


There’s a difference between getting random sacks and getting game changing sacks. Nothing he does is game-changing and has yet to impress me at all.
Thibs gets 2 sacks  
bc4life : 10/2/2023 11:38 pm : link
Then is on sidelines laughing about something.
RE: defense got some stops  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/2/2023 11:39 pm : link
In comment 16230446 bc4life said:
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but they were getting gashed there for a while.


Not enough physical players on defense.


Thibs & Ojulari just aren’t physical enough.
My  
AcidTest : 10/2/2023 11:39 pm : link
apportionment of the blame: OL 80%, Jones 20%.
Cant stand Daboll  
kelly : 10/2/2023 11:39 pm : link
Arrogant.

He is like the captain of the titanic. Couldnt see the iceberg.

Play calling is horrendous. Player evaluation is horrendous.

We can't block. We can't tackle, we can't field punts, we can't protect the ball.

I mean this is fundamental football stuff that we cannot do. Do we even practice? Is everything a walk through and film review?

I would have this team in full pads monday- friday. And tell them when you start blocking and tackling in a game maybe we will only do full pads Monday- thursday.

I cant watch anymore. Just a complete waste of time. I dont even care about the draft anymore.

Can we get Bill Parcells back? I really think he is the only one who can fix this mess.
RE: RE: For as bad as jones and the offense has been…  
ajr2456 : 10/2/2023 11:40 pm : link
In comment 16230455 HoodieGelo said:
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0 turnover
4 sacks

On the year for the defense. We rip Thibs almost every week but he’s 3 of the 4 sacks lol



There’s a difference between getting random sacks and getting game changing sacks. Nothing he does is game-changing and has yet to impress me at all.


Can’t get game changing sacks when the offense doesn’t keep it close
RE: Thibs gets 2 sacks  
jvm52106 : 10/2/2023 11:40 pm : link
In comment 16230456 bc4life said:
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Then is on sidelines laughing about something.


Sack 1 was all because of Ojualri and sack 2 was in a meaningless part of the game. In between not much happened..
RE: RE: RE: Let's not forget Geno Smith was a Giant and everyone freaked out  
k2tampa : 10/2/2023 11:40 pm : link
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benching Eli.



Yep, back when the BBI braintrust said all the Giants needed was a mobile QB.


People freaked out because they ended Eli’s consecutive start streak in a lost season. Also are you that impressed with Geno? I’m not talking about in comparison to jones, just in general


Again? Eli ended Eli's starting streak. HE chose not to start.
The team is bad  
HoodieGelo : 10/2/2023 11:40 pm : link
in all phases. I don’t know how you can truly blame anyone but the front office and coaching.
RE: RE: RE: For as bad as jones and the offense has been…  
HoodieGelo : 10/2/2023 11:42 pm : link
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0 turnover
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On the year for the defense. We rip Thibs almost every week but he’s 3 of the 4 sacks lol



There’s a difference between getting random sacks and getting game changing sacks. Nothing he does is game-changing and has yet to impress me at all.



Can’t get game changing sacks when the offense doesn’t keep it close

Has nothing to do with the offense keeping it close. Where are the sacks on third down? The sacks in the red zone? I wanna see him put a spark in the damn team and change the momentum of the game. Dude is a ghost out there.
RE: RE: RE: RE: For as bad as jones and the offense has been…  
JT039 : 10/2/2023 11:45 pm : link
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0 turnover
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On the year for the defense. We rip Thibs almost every week but he’s 3 of the 4 sacks lol



There’s a difference between getting random sacks and getting game changing sacks. Nothing he does is game-changing and has yet to impress me at all.



Can’t get game changing sacks when the offense doesn’t keep it close


Has nothing to do with the offense keeping it close. Where are the sacks on third down? The sacks in the red zone? I wanna see him put a spark in the damn team and change the momentum of the game. Dude is a ghost out there.


He got a sack on third down the first possesion. Our offense came back with dogshit.
RE: 11 sacks..  
GoBigBlue16to56 : 10/2/2023 11:45 pm : link
In comment 16230428 prdave73 said:
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wow.. just wow..

And Seahawks only had 5 sacks in 3 games going into the game.
RE: The team is bad  
moespree : 10/2/2023 11:46 pm : link
In comment 16230470 HoodieGelo said:
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in all phases. I don’t know how you can truly blame anyone but the front office and coaching.


I agree completely. These players are bad. But the front office picked a lot of these players and the coaching staff is not maximizing whatever strengths these players have.

It's been an extremely poor job by both Schoen and Daboll in year 2.
The O-Line Is Putrid  
TrueBlue'02 : 10/2/2023 11:46 pm : link
Our OL's can't block hardly anyone. No team wins with turnstiles up frong.
Kafka  
D_Giants : 10/2/2023 11:47 pm : link
Is a problem. In 14/16 quarters of play calling, he’s managed 15 points: 1.07 points per quarter. Dabell likely called the plays in the other 2 quarters. How long will this dink and dunk approach continue?
RE: RE: 11 sacks..  
Ron Johnson : 10/2/2023 11:49 pm : link
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wow.. just wow..


And Seahawks only had 5 sacks in 3 games going into the game.


Jones escaped a few. Could have been 15.
RE: Kafka  
Matt M. : 10/2/2023 11:49 pm : link
In comment 16230496 D_Giants said:
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Is a problem. In 14/16 quarters of play calling, he’s managed 15 points: 1.07 points per quarter. Dabell likely called the plays in the other 2 quarters. How long will this dink and dunk approach continue?
I could swear Daboll was calling plays in the first half.
I have an idea  
kelly : 10/2/2023 11:50 pm : link
Lets draft a cornerback and a receiver in the first two rounds because our o line is solid.

And then complain we have no offense because we cannot block.

Is anyone else screaming mad at the inability of the Giant organization to fix the damn o line.

Arguing about Jones  
WillVAB : 10/2/2023 11:52 pm : link
Is pointless. This team will be picking in the top 5 and will be picking a QB. Daboll and Schoen will want their guy. Jones will be the punching bag in ‘24 as the OL enters year 13 of the rebuild and the new QB will step in ‘25.
Just got back. Another horrible loss  
mikeinbloomfield : 10/2/2023 11:55 pm : link
Mostly because that game was there to be won. Early on I felt like Jones had time but refused to pull the trigger. Then he ran out of time, time and again.

Not sure if there’s and answer to the issues with this team when the issues are that we can’t field a competent oline. It’s clear Neal is a miss. It’s clear Edzuzu is nothing better than a backup. If Schmitz is out any length of time DJ better get some insurance.

Kudos to the defense who stood up as long as they can. You cannot expect a defense to pitch a shutout when the offense is so poor.
Neal may not be a miss  
bc4life : 10/2/2023 11:57 pm : link
He might even be a good guard.
Its just not acceptable  
kelly : 10/2/2023 11:57 pm : link
The play of the Giants

And Schoen and Daboll need to stand up and take responsibility for this crap.

I dont want to hear anymore coach speak from Daboll. Why can we not tackle? Why can we not block? Why can we not field punts? Why do we not stick with the power run,?

We are worse than a joe judge coached team. Let that sink in.
A few thoughts  
Matt M. : 10/2/2023 11:57 pm : link
1) I am done with Wink and his shit D. 2 DL doesn't cut it. Telegraphing blitzes doesn't cut it. No tackling doesn't cut it.

2) The OL was obviously bad. But, using that as an excuse for everything, especially Jones is a mistake. Most of the sacks came when Seattle was up a couple of scores and could pin their ears back.

3) Jones held the ball too long regardless of the pressure. He doesn't even seem like he's going through progressions; he's just looking. He never throws it away and he made bad decisions and throws again.

4) This team is not disciplined in any aspect of the game.

5) I'm beginning to think last year was the anomaly all around. Coaching. HC. Jones. I'm not fully convinced, but they are making it hard not to.

6) How many ST fuck ups must we have before they move on?
RE: I have an idea  
GiantsFan84 : 10/2/2023 11:58 pm : link
In comment 16230518 kelly said:
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Lets draft a cornerback and a receiver in the first two rounds because our o line is solid.

And then complain we have no offense because we cannot block.

Is anyone else screaming mad at the inability of the Giant organization to fix the damn o line.


I mean they are paying a LT 25M a year. Used a top 10
Pick on the RT. Used a 2nd round pick on the C. They are investing. They are just doing a bad job of choosing the right players and injuries hav hit them too to create a bad situation
RE: Arguing about Jones  
Blueworm : 10/2/2023 11:58 pm : link
In comment 16230525 WillVAB said:
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Is pointless. This team will be picking in the top 5 and will be picking a QB. Daboll and Schoen will want their guy. Jones will be the punching bag in ‘24 as the OL enters year 13 of the rebuild and the new QB will step in ‘25.

It will just be year 3.
Can't put the previous mess on them.
We should have spent the 40 million on the o line  
kelly : 10/3/2023 12:00 am : link
And let tyrod run the show. We would have been better off.
RE: I have an idea  
k2tampa : 10/3/2023 12:01 am : link
In comment 16230518 kelly said:
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Lets draft a cornerback and a receiver in the first two rounds because our o line is solid.

And then complain we have no offense because we cannot block.

Is anyone else screaming mad at the inability of the Giant organization to fix the damn o line.


They drafted a CB and a center in the first two rounds.
I long for Joe Judge  
kelly : 10/3/2023 12:03 am : link
That is how poorly coached we are.

I would replace Bobby Johnson to start  
Rudy5757 : 10/3/2023 12:03 am : link
Glowinski was a solid G and below average as a Giant, the #7 overall pick is a disaster, the rest of the OL picks are terrible. JMS maybe hsi lone player that has played to expectations. i leave off Thomas because he was great before Johnson. To me Bobby Johnson has not developed one player and made them better since he's been here.

The overall team looks slow despite the addition of speed. Okereke has played poorly. Our WRs are still crappy, its basically the same guys plus Campbell. Waller looks average at best. I am not seeing elite movement. The team just looks slow and plodding. This was a winnable game and they were lifeless.
Ok so the third round should have been o line  
kelly : 10/3/2023 12:05 am : link
What good is a deep ball receiver when you dont have time to get him the ball.
RE: Entering dangerous territory here folks  
Dave in PA : 10/3/2023 12:06 am : link
In comment 16229927 UticaMike said:
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DJ looks shellshocked.
yup. They did the big money QB thing and it was a mistake. Now they’re stuck in no man’s land having to wait until 2025 just to reboot this shit again and hope they can compete by 2027. Giants have successfully killed off an entire generation of potential fans. We all have the good ol days to look back on. Kids growing up now look at the giants as an embarrassing afterthought. We thought the days of being the league doormat were over, but it might be several more years still before there’s any hope of being decent. This organization is worse than bad, they’re BORING.
RE: RE: Arguing about Jones  
WillVAB : 10/3/2023 12:07 am : link
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Is pointless. This team will be picking in the top 5 and will be picking a QB. Daboll and Schoen will want their guy. Jones will be the punching bag in ‘24 as the OL enters year 13 of the rebuild and the new QB will step in ‘25.


It will just be year 3.
Can't put the previous mess on them.


Ok, who has this regime picked or acquired in FA that has shown any promise outside of JMS?
I think I counted 5 unblocked blizers  
stoneman : 10/3/2023 12:07 am : link
totally unblocked- this is on coaching
RE: Neal may not be a miss  
mikeinbloomfield : 10/3/2023 12:09 am : link
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He might even be a good guard.


Picking a tackle at 7 and then saying l, “well maybe he can play guard” is a miss. All off season we heard that Neal was hurt last year and he was working on his technique. What’s the excuse this year?

I’m still in on Schoen but he messed up this pick.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/3/2023 12:09 am : link
Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
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#Giants will not score their first TD of the season at home until at least Oct. 22.
This year is shaping up to be an epic  
kelly : 10/3/2023 12:09 am : link
Organizational failure.

What if we only win one game?

Think about that. It is entirely possible. And that win was a fluke.
RE: RE: RE: Arguing about Jones  
mikeinbloomfield : 10/3/2023 12:16 am : link
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Is pointless. This team will be picking in the top 5 and will be picking a QB. Daboll and Schoen will want their guy. Jones will be the punching bag in ‘24 as the OL enters year 13 of the rebuild and the new QB will step in ‘25.


It will just be year 3.
Can't put the previous mess on them.



Ok, who has this regime picked or acquired in FA that has shown any promise outside of JMS?


Come on. Banks and Hawkins look like decent players. KT will be good. Last year they picked up guys in the bottom of other rosters who started for us, like Hoskins and McBride. I think the Waller trade will turn out great.

DJ is playing poorly and that’s 80% the offensive line, who are playing as badly as any single unit in football. They are not close to even competent. Usually if a line is bad they are at least decent at run blocking. Not this crew which is really about the depth on the bench at this point.
RE: ...  
Matt M. : 10/3/2023 12:16 am : link
In comment 16230611 Eric from BBI said:
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Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
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#Giants will not score their first TD of the season at home until at least Oct. 22.
Outscored 64-3 at home in 2 games. Pathetic. They should give everyone in attendance their money back.
RE: This year is shaping up to be an epic  
Dave in PA : 10/3/2023 12:17 am : link
In comment 16230612 kelly said:
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Organizational failure.

What if we only win one game?

Think about that. It is entirely possible. And that win was a fluke.
theres no way Mara pets with JS no matter what happens this year. Daboll deserves to be on this ice if he can’t rally this team to at least play halfway decent fundamental football and be competitive while losing. Winning is now out of the question. It’s about how fundamentally sound can we lose. Fuckin A this franchise is just awful
RE: RE: I have an idea  
Matt M. : 10/3/2023 12:18 am : link
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Lets draft a cornerback and a receiver in the first two rounds because our o line is solid.

And then complain we have no offense because we cannot block.

Is anyone else screaming mad at the inability of the Giant organization to fix the damn o line.




I mean they are paying a LT 25M a year. Used a top 10
Pick on the RT. Used a 2nd round pick on the C. They are investing. They are just doing a bad job of choosing the right players and injuries hav hit them too to create a bad situation
And better yet, then don't use the rookie WR outside of a few snaps a game.
RE: RE: This year is shaping up to be an epic  
FStubbs : 10/3/2023 12:19 am : link
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Organizational failure.

What if we only win one game?

Think about that. It is entirely possible. And that win was a fluke.

theres no way Mara pets with JS no matter what happens this year. Daboll deserves to be on this ice if he can’t rally this team to at least play halfway decent fundamental football and be competitive while losing. Winning is now out of the question. It’s about how fundamentally sound can we lose. Fuckin A this franchise is just awful


If they lose out there's no way they keep this regime. Mara has to sell tickets.
RE: RE: RE: This year is shaping up to be an epic  
The_Boss : 10/3/2023 12:25 am : link
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Organizational failure.

What if we only win one game?

Think about that. It is entirely possible. And that win was a fluke.

theres no way Mara pets with JS no matter what happens this year. Daboll deserves to be on this ice if he can’t rally this team to at least play halfway decent fundamental football and be competitive while losing. Winning is now out of the question. It’s about how fundamentally sound can we lose. Fuckin A this franchise is just awful



If they lose out there's no way they keep this regime. Mara has to sell tickets.


Fans will come in 2024. This isn’t like summers in Pittsburg with the Pirates. That being said, if this is a 3-4 win year, both Schoen and daboll come back but they are on the hot seat. Anything less than 7 wins should result in their dismissal.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Arguing about Jones  
WillVAB : 10/3/2023 12:26 am : link
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Is pointless. This team will be picking in the top 5 and will be picking a QB. Daboll and Schoen will want their guy. Jones will be the punching bag in ‘24 as the OL enters year 13 of the rebuild and the new QB will step in ‘25.


It will just be year 3.
Can't put the previous mess on them.



Ok, who has this regime picked or acquired in FA that has shown any promise outside of JMS?



Come on. Banks and Hawkins look like decent players. KT will be good. Last year they picked up guys in the bottom of other rosters who started for us, like Hoskins and McBride. I think the Waller trade will turn out great.

DJ is playing poorly and that’s 80% the offensive line, who are playing as badly as any single unit in football. They are not close to even competent. Usually if a line is bad they are at least decent at run blocking. Not this crew which is really about the depth on the bench at this point.


Read the post again.
RE: RE: RE: RE: This year is shaping up to be an epic  
The_Boss : 10/3/2023 12:26 am : link
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Organizational failure.

What if we only win one game?

Think about that. It is entirely possible. And that win was a fluke.

theres no way Mara pets with JS no matter what happens this year. Daboll deserves to be on this ice if he can’t rally this team to at least play halfway decent fundamental football and be competitive while losing. Winning is now out of the question. It’s about how fundamentally sound can we lose. Fuckin A this franchise is just awful



If they lose out there's no way they keep this regime. Mara has to sell tickets.



Fans will come in 2024. This isn’t like summers in Pittsburg with the Pirates. That being said, if this is a 3-4 win year, both Schoen and daboll come back but they are on the hot seat. Anything less than 7 wins should result in their dismissal.


** In 2024 for Schoen and Daboll **
Witherspoon just said, we knew Jones would stare down his  
Simms11 : 10/3/2023 12:29 am : link
first target! It’s not just Jones, but he hasn’t helped matters either. He runs well, and can throw when he can set his feet, but his processing still sucks and he is holding the ball too long. Your Oline will not hold blocks that long.
RE: This year is shaping up to be an epic  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/3/2023 12:35 am : link
In comment 16230612 kelly said:
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Organizational failure.

What if we only win one game?

Think about that. It is entirely possible. And that win was a fluke.


That would be the best thing that ever happened to them. Caleb or Drake Maye from this debacle of a season would be worth it.

And I say that as someone who’s always defended Daniel Jones.
Can’t believe it’s been a decade + of this  
OBJ_AllDay : 10/3/2023 12:48 am : link
With the exception of 2 outlier seasons. I’m sick…. 3 of 4 games the offense drives the ball down the field only to stop itself, get kicks blocked, go for fourth downs and miss and completely fold in on itself for the rest of the game.
RE: Arguing about Jones  
BleedBlue : 10/3/2023 1:11 am : link
In comment 16230525 WillVAB said:
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Is pointless. This team will be picking in the top 5 and will be picking a QB. Daboll and Schoen will want their guy. Jones will be the punching bag in ‘24 as the OL enters year 13 of the rebuild and the new QB will step in ‘25.


Year 13 had me dead sad but true
FUBAR  
thrunthrublue : 10/3/2023 1:12 am : link
Squared.
Welp  
M.S. : 10/3/2023 4:42 am : link

Someone has to be the worst team in the NFL.

Looks like that could be us.

Can we at least get the #1 Draft pick?

re-building  
FGiant : 10/3/2023 5:46 am : link
Its been years now when the New York Giants make a big deal, that player's production immediately stops.
There isn't a single player on the team who makes a teammate better.
The team's coaching does not know how to call successful plays.
Coaching does not know how to develop or find roles for young players.
Very few players know how to block or tackle.
Special teams make mistakes on fourth down.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/3/2023 5:57 am : link
Another season DOA before Columbus Day.
I don't get the bashing of the D - it  
HBart : 10/3/2023 6:41 am : link
Last night was squarely on the offense -- mostly Jones -- and STs.

As bad as the OL was, Jones was holding the ball like a rookie backup. Against SF switching QBs wouldn't have changed the outcome. Last night with Geno Smith we win -- maybe win running away.

I question Daboll in every way also, and Kafka. While the difference between a brilliant play call and not is whether it works, the passing ip FGs, inexplicable tush push, and futility of the plays called with a veteran QB are all very disappointing.

Four of these five offensive linemen with a couple credible backups, plus Joones, is the bed they made. Right now it's looking like lying in it will lead to another regime change. A level of development and growth is expected but that's not an NFL quality offense on the field.
RE: My  
bluefin : 10/3/2023 6:49 am : link
In comment 16230462 AcidTest said:
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apportionment of the blame: OL 80%, Jones 20%.

this is fair
RE: A few thoughts  
FStubbs : 10/3/2023 7:07 am : link
In comment 16230551 Matt M. said:
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1) I am done with Wink and his shit D. 2 DL doesn't cut it. Telegraphing blitzes doesn't cut it. No tackling doesn't cut it.

2) The OL was obviously bad. But, using that as an excuse for everything, especially Jones is a mistake. Most of the sacks came when Seattle was up a couple of scores and could pin their ears back.

3) Jones held the ball too long regardless of the pressure. He doesn't even seem like he's going through progressions; he's just looking. He never throws it away and he made bad decisions and throws again.

4) This team is not disciplined in any aspect of the game.

5) I'm beginning to think last year was the anomaly all around. Coaching. HC. Jones. I'm not fully convinced, but they are making it hard not to.

6) How many ST fuck ups must we have before they move on?


This goes back to last year. The team's been bad since our 6-1 start.
RE: Welp  
FStubbs : 10/3/2023 7:08 am : link
In comment 16230771 M.S. said:
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Someone has to be the worst team in the NFL.

Looks like that could be us.

Can we at least get the #1 Draft pick?


Why, so we can pick the wrong guy?
Giants are in a bad spot  
GiantGrit : 10/3/2023 7:12 am : link
The team is 2-3 years away from competing (still). Serious questions on the coaching and talent eval beginning to emerge.

Kafka, Johnson and McGaughey should be gone.
Honestly, you can’t run a offense if you can’t block  
Rick in Dallas : 10/3/2023 7:21 am : link
Last night was the worst display of OL blocking I have seen as a Giants fan.
They have no idea how to pick up stunts.
They cannot block one on one…no push at all in run game.
Pass protection is a joke.
The JMS injury on first drive was huge.
What plays can you call with an OL that can’t execute a simple block
Don’t get me wrong…Jones sucked last night.
But step in his shoes for a moment.
The dude is running for his life on almost every pass play
How does Bobby Johnson coach this OL???
Kafka and Daboll are probably only using 10 to 15 percent of offensive playbook
Defenses know what type of plays we are going to run as the playbook is so limited.
How many years before we have a competitive OL ??
Don’t know the answer as all our OL draft picks fail miserably.
I was so wrong on Neal.I thought he was going to be a stud RT.
He is a guard maybe!!!
We could cluster draft OL on every pick next draft.
Would we succeed in finding guys who can block?
I seriously don’t know.
I am so over poor OL play
Team is going nowhere.
Sorry for the rant…but I feel we are back in 70’s.
RE: Welp  
The_Boss : 10/3/2023 7:24 am : link
In comment 16230771 M.S. said:
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Someone has to be the worst team in the NFL.

Looks like that could be us.

Can we at least get the #1 Draft pick?


Bears might be the worst team.
Going forward  
MikePJ76 : 10/3/2023 7:25 am : link
The giants offensive line is simply terrible. It is inexcusable that an nfl team would look like this year after year.

The giants will be picking top 5 unless they screw that up with some late season wins. Barkley, McKinney and Jackson should all be traded to whoever offers the highest picks.

one position group should never be this bad for this long. No matter the injuries this is inexcusable.

You can not change out the coaches and front office yet again so this time it has to be the players.
RE: I have an idea  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/3/2023 7:30 am : link
In comment 16230518 kelly said:
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Lets draft a cornerback and a receiver in the first two rounds because our o line is solid.

And then complain we have no offense because we cannot block.

Is anyone else screaming mad at the inability of the Giant organization to fix the damn o line.

Is that what you think happened this past draft?
RE: RE: A few thoughts  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/3/2023 7:42 am : link
In comment 16230858 FStubbs said:
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In comment 16230551 Matt M. said:


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1) I am done with Wink and his shit D. 2 DL doesn't cut it. Telegraphing blitzes doesn't cut it. No tackling doesn't cut it.

2) The OL was obviously bad. But, using that as an excuse for everything, especially Jones is a mistake. Most of the sacks came when Seattle was up a couple of scores and could pin their ears back.

3) Jones held the ball too long regardless of the pressure. He doesn't even seem like he's going through progressions; he's just looking. He never throws it away and he made bad decisions and throws again.

4) This team is not disciplined in any aspect of the game.

5) I'm beginning to think last year was the anomaly all around. Coaching. HC. Jones. I'm not fully convinced, but they are making it hard not to.

6) How many ST fuck ups must we have before they move on?



This goes back to last year. The team's been bad since our 6-1 start.


They can’t beat good teams. Most of the time, they’re embarrassed by them. Oddly enough, since the midway point of last season, they’ve gotten a LOT of good teams on their schedule.
End zone view of the pick 6  
jeff57 : 10/3/2023 7:57 am : link
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RE: End zone view of the pick 6  
ThomasG : 10/3/2023 8:01 am : link
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This really hurts. Not only because Jones threw the game away here but because I needed Waller to get 10 points last night for my fantasy team to win.

Lose-Lose
so many good points made here already. that was a performance that  
Victor in CT : 10/3/2023 8:38 am : link
would make any self respecting High School Coach lose his mind. And Seattle wasn't much better. Just an awful, sloppy game that any competent team should win at home. Somethings that I noticed/was pissed at:

* on Defense, a serial lack of finishing plays/playing to the whistle. They got a HUGE break with that overturned call. They could easily have said it was inconclusive. WTF are they all so happy with themselves about? As Taggart said in Blazing Saddles, why are you all dancing like bunch of Kansas City faggots? Finish the play! No whistle blew. Gang tackle. And I really thought Banks assumed the play was over on the Metcalf TD in the right corner. Total lack of discipline.

* tackling atrocious as usual.

* Okereke is not the guy I thought they were getting. Never saw him much at Indy, but figured Schoen (and how much input does Stink Martindale have there?)knew what he was doing. Misses way too many tackles, often out of position.

* the OL is a hot mess. but Jones was responsible for a few of those 11. One off the edge in the 1st qtr was definitely him not checking the D. Both Aikman and Peyton Manning called him out on that. That said, SEA had a patch work OL too and they moved the ball. Is the Giants D that bad, our OL and offensive coaching worse?

* what do you have to do to be fired as ST Coordinator of the NY Giants?

* re Jones, enough with the contract. It's really a 2 year deal and they can get out w/o much cap damage after next year if he doesn't turn it around. Right now he and the entire offense look like shit. So does the D. They could easily be 1-11 at the bye week. MIA, BUF and DAL are guaranteed losses, and none of the others can be considered "winnable" the way they are playing.

* Ojulari makes a difference. It's too bad he hasn't been able to stay healthy.

Oh well, on to hockey season. Let's Go Rangers.
RE: RE: Welp  
BigBlueShock : 10/3/2023 8:50 am : link
In comment 16230891 The_Boss said:
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In comment 16230771 M.S. said:


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Someone has to be the worst team in the NFL.

Looks like that could be us.

Can we at least get the #1 Draft pick?




Bears might be the worst team.

The Bears would destroy this team
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