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| Bobby Skinner @BobbySkinner_ Giants OL is dogshit but the 11 sack number is going to hide that 5 of them came after Daniel Jones threw the game away and the 1st 3 (can argue 2 but DJ fumbled the 3rd) were Daniel Jones fault. I really think this is DJ's worst game as a pro. |
How did SEA look so good missing two starting tackles and how did they sign Geno for less than Jones? How are we capped out and have no WRs and only one good OL?
They signed Geno for less than Jones because Geno is about to turn 33 years old next week.
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I don’t know what he was doing last night or what he thought he was doing. But he needs to regroup.
Completion percentage be damned, get rid of the football and give your WR a chance to step up and make a play.
Jones was god awful last night, but this is the worst OL I have ever seen.
Its not like the passing game is the only thing failing here. Our run game is worse.
You have to wonder how much JMS not being in and making line calls hurt this play.
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You have to wonder how much JMS not being in and making line calls hurt this play.
Jones is a 5th year player on a franchise QB contract. He should not be relying on the rookie center for setting protections.
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You have to wonder how much JMS not being in and making line calls hurt this play.
Jones is a 5th year player on a franchise QB contract. He should not be relying on the rookie center for setting protections.
You do realize the center has every bit as much and most of the time more responsibility in calling protections, right? I don’t care what year they are in. It’s part of the job.
News at 11.
It doesn't really matter what Jones is. Any QB is going to suck on this team.
and Wandale was wide open on the "hot" read up top. A good QB would have had an easy ten yd gain or more on that.
I said it in real time on the game thread that it was a perfect microcosm of DJ. And we wound up short of that first down by exactly the yardage DJ lost by sacking himself instead of throwing the ball out of bounds.
Even just throwing the ball away is a clumsy, wrong-decision adventure with him.
Completion percentage be damned, get rid of the football and give your WR a chance to step up and make a play.
It's starting to feel like Rob Johnson. Unfortunately, we don't have Doug Flutie waiting in the wings.
A: Yeah, thqat was a miscommunication.
Q: That wasn't the play you called?
A: It was not. No, it was miscommunication. Daniel thought he heard one thing, and it was another thing and miscommunication.
Q: So, you wanted to attack with a pass?
A: Yeah. [/qoute]
Don't keep us in suspense. Just tell us now what you'll say. We can ask the rest of the club later.
It's unfortunate that teams like Dallas and Philly exposed this line and scheme and showed that when you pressure the shit out of them the line and the scheme is exposed.
This guy has been pressured and hit at a David Carr level this year. He is now punch drunk and a mess.
Oh please
It's unfortunate that teams like Dallas and Philly exposed this line and scheme and showed that when you pressure the shit out of them the line and the scheme is exposed.
This guy has been pressured and hit at a David Carr level this year. He is now punch drunk and a mess.
This nails it. The Philly playoff game was a blueprint on how to stop our offense. Contain Jones...get pressure and jump the routes. Now subtract Barkley and Thomas.
Jones is the one who threw the pick 6, Jones is the one that consistently held onto the ball too long or didn't throw it away (the 1 yard sack out of bounds is a perfect example of that), and Jones is the one that didn't realize when he would have a free rusher and needed to unload quickly.
Witherspoon's comments that "We knew he liked to stare down his first target" reminded me of the last Duke QB that started for the Giants.
At least at this rate the team might be in contention for one of the top QBs in the draft next year.
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into an unbearable person to root for. His actions towards Jones last night is unacceptable as a coach. Not because he yelled at him or was mad at him. But when you single out one player and not get into the OL face or the ST coaches face for all their miscues - you are using one player as scape goat while absolving yourself for your ineptness.
Oh please
So its ok to only yell at one player for screwing up? No one else is accountable for their atrocious play?
Do it to one player, do it to everyone.
These are grown men. I have no issues with the coach calling out one player. He wouldn’t do it if he knew Jones couldn’t take it.
Im pretty sure with the hundreds of cameras in an NFL game if Daboll get in the faces of other players and coaches - it would be shown.
You think he flipped his tablet on the STs team coach yesterday? Do you think he went to any OL and did anything.
I sure as hell dont. I think Daboll is the most lost person on the Giants sideline right now.
Its all Jones fault. Daboll should do whatever he wants. Is that better?
Jones was god awful last night, but this is the worst OL I have ever seen.
Its not like the passing game is the only thing failing here. Our run game is worse.
Ok but Skinner wasn’t saying all of the sacks were on Jones if you listen to it. And he also says he’ll need to check out the All-22 to see what was truly going on. His comments weren’t just for clicks.
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Or is that the only one that got caught on camera?
Im pretty sure with the hundreds of cameras in an NFL game if Daboll get in the faces of other players and coaches - it would be shown.
You think he flipped his tablet on the STs team coach yesterday? Do you think he went to any OL and did anything.
I sure as hell dont. I think Daboll is the most lost person on the Giants sideline right now.
I know how we can change that. I just don't know how we can get you sideline access.
It's unfortunate that teams like Dallas and Philly exposed this line and scheme and showed that when you pressure the shit out of them the line and the scheme is exposed.
This guy has been pressured and hit at a David Carr level this year. He is now punch drunk and a mess.
No doubt?
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No, it wasn't. Does that absolve DJ of his own shitty play?
You and others assume Daboll have Jones changing protections. It was rumored Jon Feliciano did those calls last year and it's not clear who was doing it this year. JMS would make sense even though he is a rookie, and he missed this whole game essentially. Bredeson is a fine interior player, but he has very little experience in the NFL as a C so it's likely difficult for him.
It's on the coaching staff, bottom line.
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No, it wasn't. Does that absolve DJ of his own shitty play?
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You and others assume Daboll have Jones changing protections. It was rumored Jon Feliciano did those calls last year and it's not clear who was doing it this year. JMS would make sense even though he is a rookie, and he missed this whole game essentially. Bredeson is a fine interior player, but he has very little experience in the NFL as a C so it's likely difficult for him.
It's on the coaching staff, bottom line.
If you can’t trust your $40 million man to make protection calls or to change a play when there’s a clear mismatch, that says a lot about the QB.
Rookie garbage. Back in one of the Judge years, when we lost to the Bears, Gannon made a similar mistake on the first play of the game that resulted in a lost fumble and defensive touchdown. Back than we blamed it on Gannon being awful. Unlike Gannon, Danny had a hot receiver here in Breida who he never looks at.
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You and others assume Daboll have Jones changing protections. It was rumored Jon Feliciano did those calls last year and it's not clear who was doing it this year. JMS would make sense even though he is a rookie, and he missed this whole game essentially. Bredeson is a fine interior player, but he has very little experience in the NFL as a C so it's likely difficult for him.
It's on the coaching staff, bottom line.
Well, no. You can say Danny is coached poorly I guess but he has to recognize he has a free rusher and throw to the hot receiver, Breida.
There were a few sacks that were definitely on Jones. However, why doesn’t Skinner tell us how many Jones avoided to get positive rushing yards.
If you want to be a respectable football voice - you have to show the whole story.
Skinner has been one of Jones' biggest supporters. This isn't accurate.
Jones is making $46 million cold hard cash. Third highest take home for any qb in the whole league. I like Jones but some people here defend him like he's their old kid. The OL sucked last night but Jones did them no favors and was a contributing factor to them losing the game
Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean that didn't happen. ESPN isn't going to show every interaction a HC has with the team, but they damn sure are going to show it when he and his QB get into it.
I have lost any confidence in him among others on this team. Maybe it is true that you’re never as bad as you look but there are exceptions to every theory. This team seems the exception.
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and Wandale was wide open on the "hot" read up top. A good QB would have had an easy ten yd gain or more on that.
This is part of the issue. I think ppl see 11 sacks and conclude the Oline is entirely at fault. 11 sacks occur because that team had absolutely no fear of Jones burning them in the hot route like we see other competent qbs do with regularity. So that team sends various blitz packages which results in 11 sacks.
Fuck this team. I swear they are allergic to great players.
I don’t know what he was doing last night or what he thought he was doing. But he needs to regroup.
He just doesn't grasp the little nuances of playing the position like he should. The feeling where the pressure is,
or not seeing the corner blitz pre-snap last night (which led to the sack, fumble).
There are these things that you should know by osmosis to a certain extent, playing the position. Well, he doesn't.
That's not on OL or Jones imo. The sack where he fumbled wasn't on him either, that was 100% OL. I don't remember the second sack off the top of my head.
That's not on OL or Jones imo. The sack where he fumbled wasn't on him either, that was 100% OL. I don't remember the second sack off the top of my head.
Jones had plenty of time to throw that ball away, out of bounds, rather than run himself out of bounds to take a loss of a yard. And I know, it's just a yard, but three plays later we failed to convert on 4th down, and the distance that we came up short was basically the yardage that DJ lost by running out of bounds instead of throwing the ball away.
It's just always death by a thousand papercuts with him. And while he's far from the biggest liability on the team (the dreadful blocking is way, way, way more problematic), the sort of mistakes that DJ makes are not what anyone should reasonably expect from a 5th year veteran who just got a real big boy QB contract.