Bobby Skinner on Jones and the 11 sacks

Right now, that contract looks like a massive mistake.

A clickbait reporter trying to get more people to follow him.

There were a few sacks that were definitely on Jones. However, why doesn’t Skinner tell us how many Jones avoided to get positive rushing yards.

If you want to be a respectable football voice - you have to show the whole story.

he just likes hearing himself talk.

Jones was terrible. Just awful. Click all the bad boxes: ball security, decision making, accuracy, poise. He didn't look outwardly flustered but played like a rookie backup.

I've supported Jones as much as anyone but last night makes me question that. I didn't think I'd see that version of Jones again. It would be disappointing in any case, but given the prior games it's troubling.

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Jones cannot operate under pressure.

And the whole league knows it.

Except our coaches and GM

In comment 16230812 JT039 said:

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A clickbait reporter trying to get more people to follow him. There were a few sacks that were definitely on Jones. However, why doesn’t Skinner tell us how many Jones avoided to get positive rushing yards. If you want to be a respectable football voice - you have to show the whole story.

Skinner is pro-Jones. And he usually does give the full story when he does the O-Line report after viewing the all-22 mid-week.

but he continues to have difficulty with quick decisions.

But minus the patchwork OL that continues to suck, suck, suck....the biggest mis-decision was not getting that big body WR in there like the Hawks have with Metcalf or the Eagles with A J Brown or SF with Brandon Aiyuk.

Someone, anyone that can be there for DJ when he inevitably rolling out with zero plan but running at this point.

BTW....Waller??????? Casper the friendly ghost is more visible right now!

In comment 16230812 JT039 said:

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A clickbait reporter trying to get more people to follow him. There were a few sacks that were definitely on Jones. However, why doesn’t Skinner tell us how many Jones avoided to get positive rushing yards. If you want to be a respectable football voice - you have to show the whole story.

Skinner is absolutely NOT turning into that, just because you don't agree with what he says.

Big Blue Banter was going into Jones on youtube live yesterday with like 60 people watching. They also "clickbait"?

is just about the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen. They had SIX offensive linemen in the game, yet there was a completely unblocked rusher who Jones had to avoid just for one of the 3 rushers from the backside who defeated Giants “blocks” to make the play. Criticize him for plays other than that one.

The OL is not responsible for the sacks after the pick 6?

Who coaches the OL? Who made Jones one of the 10 highest paid players in the sport?

How did SEA look so good missing two starting tackles and how did they sign Geno for less than Jones? How are we capped out and have no WRs and only one good OL?

Was the sign about how this game was going to go

In comment 16230930 Metnut said:

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Who coaches the OL? Who made Jones one of the 10 highest paid players in the sport? How did SEA look so good missing two starting tackles and how did they sign Geno for less than Jones? How are we capped out and have no WRs and only one good OL?

They signed Geno for less than Jones because Geno is about to turn 33 years old next week.

your QB is going to suck. Dexter has disappeared as well. Another non blocking TE doesn't help.

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I am officially out on Jones as the qb. He showed some positive signs last year; but one problem still remains that bothers me the most despite all of the protection issues: He does not make enough throws when he has an opportunity to make a play. Earlier in his career that was not a surprise; at this stage in his career he is still missing throws that he should make, or not throwing the ball at all.

Inconsistent, doesn’t see the whole field, doesn’t anticipate how the play is going to develop, can run some if the opponents give them the opportunity.

I don’t know what he was doing last night or what he thought he was doing. But he needs to regroup.

and still play that badly, you aren't getting the ball out enough. He needs to make more throws into coverage. The target can't always be wide open.

Completion percentage be damned, get rid of the football and give your WR a chance to step up and make a play.

Jones wasnt responsible for some of the sacks. Of course he was. But he was sacked 11 times. Most of them under 2 seconds. And again, how many sacks did he avoid as well?

Jones was god awful last night, but this is the worst OL I have ever seen.

Its not like the passing game is the only thing failing here. Our run game is worse.

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The first drive . - ( New Window )

You have to wonder how much JMS not being in and making line calls hurt this play.

In comment 16231012 BlueHurricane said:

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In comment 16230974 ajr2456 said: Quote: The first drive . - ( New Window ) You have to wonder how much JMS not being in and making line calls hurt this play.

Jones is a 5th year player on a franchise QB contract. He should not be relying on the rookie center for setting protections.

In comment 16231025 Blue The Dog said:

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In comment 16231012 BlueHurricane said: Quote: In comment 16230974 ajr2456 said: Quote: The first drive . - ( New Window ) You have to wonder how much JMS not being in and making line calls hurt this play. Jones is a 5th year player on a franchise QB contract. He should not be relying on the rookie center for setting protections.

You do realize the center has every bit as much and most of the time more responsibility in calling protections, right? I don’t care what year they are in. It’s part of the job.

looks like shit with horrible cast around him.

News at 11.

It doesn't really matter what Jones is. Any QB is going to suck on this team.

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The first drive . - ( New Window )

and Wandale was wide open on the "hot" read up top. A good QB would have had an easy ten yd gain or more on that.

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Was the sign about how this game was going to go

I said it in real time on the game thread that it was a perfect microcosm of DJ. And we wound up short of that first down by exactly the yardage DJ lost by sacking himself instead of throwing the ball out of bounds.

Even just throwing the ball away is a clumsy, wrong-decision adventure with him.

In comment 16231006 bigbluehoya said:

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and still play that badly, you aren't getting the ball out enough. He needs to make more throws into coverage. The target can't always be wide open. Completion percentage be damned, get rid of the football and give your WR a chance to step up and make a play.

It's starting to feel like Rob Johnson. Unfortunately, we don't have Doug Flutie waiting in the wings.

[quote] Q: In the first half you ran the ball on 3*rd*-and-11 –

A: Yeah, thqat was a miscommunication.

Q: That wasn't the play you called?

A: It was not. No, it was miscommunication. Daniel thought he heard one thing, and it was another thing and miscommunication.

Q: So, you wanted to attack with a pass?

A: Yeah. [/qoute]

and that guys sucks, too. Then, what will the resident losers say?

In comment 16231062 Dave in Hoboken said:

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and that guys sucks, too. Then, what will the resident losers say?

Don't keep us in suspense. Just tell us now what you'll say. We can ask the rest of the club later.

into an unbearable person to root for. His actions towards Jones last night is unacceptable as a coach. Not because he yelled at him or was mad at him. But when you single out one player and not get into the OL face or the ST coaches face for all their miscues - you are using one player as scape goat while absolving yourself for your ineptness.

Of getting your ass pummeled down after down, game after game. There is not doubt Jones can play if given even moderate pass protection.

It's unfortunate that teams like Dallas and Philly exposed this line and scheme and showed that when you pressure the shit out of them the line and the scheme is exposed.

This guy has been pressured and hit at a David Carr level this year. He is now punch drunk and a mess.

In comment 16231070 JT039 said:

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into an unbearable person to root for. His actions towards Jones last night is unacceptable as a coach. Not because he yelled at him or was mad at him. But when you single out one player and not get into the OL face or the ST coaches face for all their miscues - you are using one player as scape goat while absolving yourself for your ineptness.

Oh please

In comment 16231082 BlueHurricane said:

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Of getting your ass pummeled down after down, game after game. There is not doubt Jones can play if given even moderate pass protection. It's unfortunate that teams like Dallas and Philly exposed this line and scheme and showed that when you pressure the shit out of them the line and the scheme is exposed. This guy has been pressured and hit at a David Carr level this year. He is now punch drunk and a mess.

This nails it. The Philly playoff game was a blueprint on how to stop our offense. Contain Jones...get pressure and jump the routes. Now subtract Barkley and Thomas.

In comment 16231070 JT039 said:

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into an unbearable person to root for. His actions towards Jones last night is unacceptable as a coach. Not because he yelled at him or was mad at him. But when you single out one player and not get into the OL face or the ST coaches face for all their miscues - you are using one player as scape goat while absolving yourself for your ineptness.

Jones is the one who threw the pick 6, Jones is the one that consistently held onto the ball too long or didn't throw it away (the 1 yard sack out of bounds is a perfect example of that), and Jones is the one that didn't realize when he would have a free rusher and needed to unload quickly.

Witherspoon's comments that "We knew he liked to stare down his first target" reminded me of the last Duke QB that started for the Giants.

At least at this rate the team might be in contention for one of the top QBs in the draft next year.

In comment 16231098 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 16231070 JT039 said: Quote: into an unbearable person to root for. His actions towards Jones last night is unacceptable as a coach. Not because he yelled at him or was mad at him. But when you single out one player and not get into the OL face or the ST coaches face for all their miscues - you are using one player as scape goat while absolving yourself for your ineptness. Oh please

So its ok to only yell at one player for screwing up? No one else is accountable for their atrocious play?

Do it to one player, do it to everyone.

Or is that the only one that got caught on camera?

In comment 16231070 JT039 said:

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into an unbearable person to root for. His actions towards Jones last night is unacceptable as a coach. Not because he yelled at him or was mad at him. But when you single out one player and not get into the OL face or the ST coaches face for all their miscues - you are using one player as scape goat while absolving yourself for your ineptness.

These are grown men. I have no issues with the coach calling out one player. He wouldn’t do it if he knew Jones couldn’t take it.

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Or is that the only one that got caught on camera?

Im pretty sure with the hundreds of cameras in an NFL game if Daboll get in the faces of other players and coaches - it would be shown.

You think he flipped his tablet on the STs team coach yesterday? Do you think he went to any OL and did anything.

I sure as hell dont. I think Daboll is the most lost person on the Giants sideline right now.

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you something you cant answer.

Its all Jones fault. Daboll should do whatever he wants. Is that better?

and college sideline every week. Get a grip

In comment 16231011 JT039 said:

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Jones wasnt responsible for some of the sacks. Of course he was. But he was sacked 11 times. Most of them under 2 seconds. And again, how many sacks did he avoid as well? Jones was god awful last night, but this is the worst OL I have ever seen. Its not like the passing game is the only thing failing here. Our run game is worse.

Ok but Skinner wasn’t saying all of the sacks were on Jones if you listen to it. And he also says he’ll need to check out the All-22 to see what was truly going on. His comments weren’t just for clicks.

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In comment 16231138 ajr2456 said: Quote: Or is that the only one that got caught on camera? Im pretty sure with the hundreds of cameras in an NFL game if Daboll get in the faces of other players and coaches - it would be shown. You think he flipped his tablet on the STs team coach yesterday? Do you think he went to any OL and did anything. I sure as hell dont. I think Daboll is the most lost person on the Giants sideline right now.

I know how we can change that. I just don't know how we can get you sideline access.

In comment 16231082 BlueHurricane said:

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Of getting your ass pummeled down after down, game after game. There is not doubt Jones can play if given even moderate pass protection. It's unfortunate that teams like Dallas and Philly exposed this line and scheme and showed that when you pressure the shit out of them the line and the scheme is exposed. This guy has been pressured and hit at a David Carr level this year. He is now punch drunk and a mess.

No doubt?

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No, it wasn't. Does that absolve DJ of his own shitty play?

In comment 16230974 ajr2456 said:

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The first drive . - ( New Window )

You and others assume Daboll have Jones changing protections. It was rumored Jon Feliciano did those calls last year and it's not clear who was doing it this year. JMS would make sense even though he is a rookie, and he missed this whole game essentially. Bredeson is a fine interior player, but he has very little experience in the NFL as a C so it's likely difficult for him.

It's on the coaching staff, bottom line.

In comment 16231261 Gatorade Dunk said:

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In comment 16231246 jeff57 said: Quote: ? Link - ( New Window ) No, it wasn't. Does that absolve DJ of his own shitty play?

Yes and no. No, the terrible non-block is not his fault. But, having that pressure come from his right side and then stepping up right into an interior DL is his fault. There is little he could do on some of those sacks...after the snap. But, there was some that was missed before the snap and there was holding the ball on a bunch of plays.

In comment 16231336 Toth029 said:

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In comment 16230974 ajr2456 said: Quote: The first drive . - ( New Window ) You and others assume Daboll have Jones changing protections. It was rumored Jon Feliciano did those calls last year and it's not clear who was doing it this year. JMS would make sense even though he is a rookie, and he missed this whole game essentially. Bredeson is a fine interior player, but he has very little experience in the NFL as a C so it's likely difficult for him. It's on the coaching staff, bottom line.

If you can’t trust your $40 million man to make protection calls or to change a play when there’s a clear mismatch, that says a lot about the QB.