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Bobby Skinner on Jones and the 11 sacks

Sean : 10/3/2023 6:20 am
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Bobby Skinner
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Giants OL is dogshit but the 11 sack number is going to hide that 5 of them came after Daniel Jones threw the game away and the 1st 3 (can argue 2 but DJ fumbled the 3rd) were Daniel Jones fault.

I really think this is DJ's worst game as a pro.

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RE: Orlovsky on the free rusher  
mikeinbloomfield : 10/3/2023 9:59 am : link
In comment 16230974 ajr2456 said:
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Rookie garbage. Back in one of the Judge years, when we lost to the Bears, Gannon made a similar mistake on the first play of the game that resulted in a lost fumble and defensive touchdown. Back than we blamed it on Gannon being awful. Unlike Gannon, Danny had a hot receiver here in Breida who he never looks at.
RE: RE: Orlovsky on the free rusher  
mikeinbloomfield : 10/3/2023 10:00 am : link
In comment 16231336 Toth029 said:
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You and others assume Daboll have Jones changing protections. It was rumored Jon Feliciano did those calls last year and it's not clear who was doing it this year. JMS would make sense even though he is a rookie, and he missed this whole game essentially. Bredeson is a fine interior player, but he has very little experience in the NFL as a C so it's likely difficult for him.

It's on the coaching staff, bottom line.



Well, no. You can say Danny is coached poorly I guess but he has to recognize he has a free rusher and throw to the hot receiver, Breida.
RE: Skinner is turning into  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/3/2023 10:05 am : link
In comment 16230812 JT039 said:
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A clickbait reporter trying to get more people to follow him.

There were a few sacks that were definitely on Jones. However, why doesn’t Skinner tell us how many Jones avoided to get positive rushing yards.

If you want to be a respectable football voice - you have to show the whole story.


Skinner has been one of Jones' biggest supporters. This isn't accurate.
RE: Daboll is turning  
Ned In Atlanta : 10/3/2023 10:12 am : link
In comment 16231070 JT039 said:
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into an unbearable person to root for. His actions towards Jones last night is unacceptable as a coach. Not because he yelled at him or was mad at him. But when you single out one player and not get into the OL face or the ST coaches face for all their miscues - you are using one player as scape goat while absolving yourself for your ineptness.



Jones is making $46 million cold hard cash. Third highest take home for any qb in the whole league. I like Jones but some people here defend him like he's their old kid. The OL sucked last night but Jones did them no favors and was a contributing factor to them losing the game
RE: Daboll is turning  
rsjem1979 : 10/3/2023 10:17 am : link
In comment 16231070 JT039 said:
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into an unbearable person to root for. His actions towards Jones last night is unacceptable as a coach. Not because he yelled at him or was mad at him. But when you single out one player and not get into the OL face or the ST coaches face for all their miscues - you are using one player as scape goat while absolving yourself for your ineptness.


Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean that didn't happen. ESPN isn't going to show every interaction a HC has with the team, but they damn sure are going to show it when he and his QB get into it.
What Witherspoon said and acted on is most  
SomeFan : 10/3/2023 10:28 am : link
telling about Jones. He has little feel for the passing game. Other teams know he locks in. This rookie CB schooled our veteran QB. Jones did not even have the wherewithal to toss a ball out of bounds to avoid losing one yard. That is shit kids can do on playgrounds.

I have lost any confidence in him among others on this team. Maybe it is true that you’re never as bad as you look but there are exceptions to every theory. This team seems the exception.
RE: RE: Orlovsky on the free rusher  
lax counsel : 10/3/2023 10:40 am : link
In comment 16231048 PatersonPlank said:
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and Wandale was wide open on the "hot" read up top. A good QB would have had an easy ten yd gain or more on that.


This is part of the issue. I think ppl see 11 sacks and conclude the Oline is entirely at fault. 11 sacks occur because that team had absolutely no fear of Jones burning them in the hot route like we see other competent qbs do with regularity. So that team sends various blitz packages which results in 11 sacks.
only the Giants look like a bunch of assholes  
djm : 10/3/2023 10:52 am : link
when they lose 1-2 OLinemen. Every other team looks bad, or shaky, but only NYG look like absolute dog shit. Seattle had some injuries up front too. They still managed to block on a semi decent level.

Fuck this team. I swear they are allergic to great players.
RE: Jones is what he is  
Carson53 : 10/3/2023 12:31 pm : link
In comment 16231002 HomerJones45 said:
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Inconsistent, doesn’t see the whole field, doesn’t anticipate how the play is going to develop, can run some if the opponents give them the opportunity.

I don’t know what he was doing last night or what he thought he was doing. But he needs to regroup.
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He just doesn't grasp the little nuances of playing the position like he should. The feeling where the pressure is,
or not seeing the corner blitz pre-snap last night (which led to the sack, fumble).
There are these things that you should know by osmosis to a certain extent, playing the position. Well, he doesn't.
Skinner was right  
Carson53 : 10/3/2023 12:33 pm : link
about one thing, the O Line is dogshit and continues to be so. When the hell are they going to get THAT figured how around these parts, just simply embarrassing!
First sack was a coverage sack.  
Andy in Halifax : 10/3/2023 12:37 pm : link
Pretty sure we had two guys running a route and kept everyone else in to protect. With nobody open Jones scrambled and lost a yard which counted for a sack.

That's not on OL or Jones imo. The sack where he fumbled wasn't on him either, that was 100% OL. I don't remember the second sack off the top of my head.
RE: First sack was a coverage sack.  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/3/2023 1:20 pm : link
In comment 16232073 Andy in Halifax said:
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Pretty sure we had two guys running a route and kept everyone else in to protect. With nobody open Jones scrambled and lost a yard which counted for a sack.

That's not on OL or Jones imo. The sack where he fumbled wasn't on him either, that was 100% OL. I don't remember the second sack off the top of my head.

Jones had plenty of time to throw that ball away, out of bounds, rather than run himself out of bounds to take a loss of a yard. And I know, it's just a yard, but three plays later we failed to convert on 4th down, and the distance that we came up short was basically the yardage that DJ lost by running out of bounds instead of throwing the ball away.

It's just always death by a thousand papercuts with him. And while he's far from the biggest liability on the team (the dreadful blocking is way, way, way more problematic), the sort of mistakes that DJ makes are not what anyone should reasonably expect from a 5th year veteran who just got a real big boy QB contract.
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