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Jones-night games. Eyesight?

MeanBunny : 10/6/2023 5:10 pm
Remember Jones had his contacts knocked out of his head against Philly? Half the time he appears cross-eyed. Cannot be great for peripheral scanning...
He wears glasses, which is no crime but he has a really bad record during evening, national games. I wonder if his scanning, line of sight is not at 100% at night, under lights and harsh shadows. A lot of NFL players hate the glare. Vikings game was indoors but Jones has a terrible record.
I googled cognitive decline,Jones and Jones scored a 32 on Wonderific. Peyton Manning was a 20 something. So he is not an idiot. But seems like Wonderific is NOT a great predictor of being a great QB. Mahomes was like an 18
Possibly  
robbieballs2003 : 10/6/2023 5:12 pm : link
But more likely is the fact we are playing a night game almost definitely means we are playing a top team. We suck and cannot compete with top teams.
lets start a gofundme  
fish3321 : 10/6/2023 5:20 pm : link
get Jones some Lasik! Well at least be 11-5 then!
My understanding is that the most significant physiological factor  
Hammer : 10/6/2023 5:23 pm : link
in regard to eyesight is mental stress.

"The exact link between stress and vision problems is still under study, but there are several mechanisms by which stress may contribute to these issues. One theory is that stress can cause changes in the autonomic nervous system, which regulates the body's functions, including those of the eyes. Stress can also cause changes in the body's circulatory system, affecting blood flow to the eyes and other parts of the body. This can cause or exacerbate several vision problems, including dry eyes, eye strain, and blurred vision.

When you are stressed, your body releases hormones that can cause inflammation and affect blood flow to your eyes. This can lead to dry eyes, a condition where the eyes do not produce enough tears, causing discomfort, itching, and a burning sensation. Eye strain, which causes discomfort and fatigue, is also common in people who spend long hours in front of the computer or mobile screens.

Additionally, stress can cause blurred vision, making it difficult to focus on objects, read or drive. When you're stressed, your body releases adrenaline, which can cause your pupils to dilate and your eye muscles to tense up. This can lead to blurred vision and difficulty focusing on objects. In severe cases, stress can even cause double vision, making it difficult to carry out everyday tasks like driving or reading."

A quarterback's ability to calm himself under pressure-packed circumstances is probably what distinguishes the good from the great.

Maybe Jones can remain calm under duress, maybe he cannot.

Can a person get better at operating under stress? Maybe.

Is this the issue here?
fake lighting is hard to see in  
MeanBunny : 10/6/2023 5:27 pm : link
Shadows are harsh.Lots of moving stuff thats not real bodies. insane light shows blah blah.
HOW the Giants practice is under controlled conditions, outside or in that bright, naturally lit indoor place.
No excuse-everyone else seems to deal with it BUT Jones could possibly use some bombproofing here. Lots of extraneous movement, background confusion and distractions. His scanning is suffering badly. He also did have a concussion so he lost a marble or 2 for sure.
Last year Wink knew Jones' plays ahead of time and it was a set up for failure which Jones actually did OK in. We need more mental coaching here-and its not speeches or throwing tablets. Need to get creative
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barens : 10/6/2023 5:33 pm : link
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RE: My understanding is that the most significant physiological factor  
MeanBunny : 10/6/2023 5:33 pm : link
Funny you should mention this. An article from USTAF(Track)mentions that stress, nerves will make you stupid. It shunts blood from the brain to flight or flight instincts. If Jones is:
-scared shitless of getting whaled on by tacklers
-Or getting super freaked out about the press, thrown tablets
-or general performance anxiety
The guy is going to lose IQ points instantly as brain is starved of oxygen.
Physically the guy has it all but everyone in NFL knows he rattles up. Like Kerry Collins also had this issue but Collins was better on the fly and had better teams.
Its becoming a compounding issue as more failure=more stress=more failure
And I am sure shunting blood from brain is NOT helping eyesight

In comment 16237234 Hammer said:
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in regard to eyesight is mental stress.

"The exact link between stress and vision problems is still under study, but there are several mechanisms by which stress may contribute to these issues. One theory is that stress can cause changes in the autonomic nervous system, which regulates the body's functions, including those of the eyes. Stress can also cause changes in the body's circulatory system, affecting blood flow to the eyes and other parts of the body. This can cause or exacerbate several vision problems, including dry eyes, eye strain, and blurred vision.

When you are stressed, your body releases hormones that can cause inflammation and affect blood flow to your eyes. This can lead to dry eyes, a condition where the eyes do not produce enough tears, causing discomfort, itching, and a burning sensation. Eye strain, which causes discomfort and fatigue, is also common in people who spend long hours in front of the computer or mobile screens.

Additionally, stress can cause blurred vision, making it difficult to focus on objects, read or drive. When you're stressed, your body releases adrenaline, which can cause your pupils to dilate and your eye muscles to tense up. This can lead to blurred vision and difficulty focusing on objects. In severe cases, stress can even cause double vision, making it difficult to carry out everyday tasks like driving or reading."

A quarterback's ability to calm himself under pressure-packed circumstances is probably what distinguishes the good from the great.

Maybe Jones can remain calm under duress, maybe he cannot.

Can a person get better at operating under stress? Maybe.

Is this the issue here?
I'm not sure Wonderific scores are even a thing  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/6/2023 5:33 pm : link
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Eli vs. Jones  
MeanBunny : 10/6/2023 5:36 pm : link
One thing that Eli Manning was amazing at was learning how to crumple under impact. He would rope-a-dope and last second crumple. Eli's demeanor was truly calm, ah shucks. I think Jones is a basketcase, looks calm but he looked freaked out speaking to press today. Totally wigged out
Wonderlic  
MeanBunny : 10/6/2023 5:36 pm : link
Oof!

Wonderlic not wonderific - ( New Window )
RE: I'm not sure Wonderific scores are even a thing  
NorcalNYG : 10/6/2023 5:37 pm : link
In comment 16237246 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Have u ever tried taking a few wwonderlics? I consistently test above 45, usually above 48. It's a joke and shows very little. Nothing in relation to football, no significance.
Mister  
bronxboy : 10/6/2023 5:38 pm : link
Magoo.
well  
widmerseyebrow : 10/6/2023 5:41 pm : link
Don't all rookies take a wonderlic test before entering NFL?  
MeanBunny : 10/6/2023 5:46 pm : link
I thought that was mandatory
RE: My understanding is that the most significant physiological factor  
GiantTuff1 : 10/6/2023 5:58 pm : link
In comment 16237234 Hammer said:
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in regard to eyesight is mental stress.

"The exact link between stress and vision problems is still under study, but there are several mechanisms by which stress may contribute to these issues. One theory is that stress can cause changes in the autonomic nervous system, which regulates the body's functions, including those of the eyes. Stress can also cause changes in the body's circulatory system, affecting blood flow to the eyes and other parts of the body. This can cause or exacerbate several vision problems, including dry eyes, eye strain, and blurred vision.

When you are stressed, your body releases hormones that can cause inflammation and affect blood flow to your eyes. This can lead to dry eyes, a condition where the eyes do not produce enough tears, causing discomfort, itching, and a burning sensation. Eye strain, which causes discomfort and fatigue, is also common in people who spend long hours in front of the computer or mobile screens.

Additionally, stress can cause blurred vision, making it difficult to focus on objects, read or drive. When you're stressed, your body releases adrenaline, which can cause your pupils to dilate and your eye muscles to tense up. This can lead to blurred vision and difficulty focusing on objects. In severe cases, stress can even cause double vision, making it difficult to carry out everyday tasks like driving or reading."

A quarterback's ability to calm himself under pressure-packed circumstances is probably what distinguishes the good from the great.

Maybe Jones can remain calm under duress, maybe he cannot.

Can a person get better at operating under stress? Maybe.

Is this the issue here?


Thanks for posting this. The effects of stress on the nervous system and the cumulative and cascading damage it can cause to the body and mind is very poorly understood but there is a lot of study moving into this area of how to shed stressors, traumas, etc, so that the nervous system and therefore all the organs (eyes and brain are just two) can function optimally.

Most people will dismiss these kinds of things but it's an incredibly interesting subject of study.

And especially when you have cases of quarterbacks or coaches playing in the NY pressure cooker where the stressors can eventually crumble them. Perhaps it's what caused Joe Judge to go insane here too. Or it can explain how we can get promising year 1 from new coaches and then the wheels fall off from stress corrosion. Not that they instantly become terrible coaches but that the cumulative damage of nervous system stress has degraded their ability to think clearly, decisively, and be in touch with their instincts. It can be a serious infliction.

Human evolution is also not well suited to this job with the exception of those who have personalities that do not allow the stress to affect them the same as others (Eli) or those who know how to cancel it out via routine or transmute it into positive energy and focus (Brady). Both traits are fairly rare and most mere mortals would succumb.
we heard this with jameis lol  
amindan54 : 10/6/2023 5:59 pm : link
he got lasik and was supposed to stop throwing INT....


lol he threw just as many...
RE: My understanding is that the most significant physiological factor  
solarmike : 10/6/2023 5:59 pm : link
Your post made me investigate.
How Stress Affects Your Vision - ( New Window )
It's at least as worthwhile a concern as Eli's grip strength was  
Mad Mike : 10/6/2023 6:39 pm : link
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I’m sure he is just allergic to night air. Maybe I need to google that  
Ivan15 : 10/6/2023 6:43 pm : link
Maybe the whole team has developed a common allergy to night air.
RE: Eli vs. Jones  
GoBigBlue16to56 : 10/6/2023 7:08 pm : link
In comment 16237250 MeanBunny said:
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One thing that Eli Manning was amazing at was learning how to crumple under impact. He would rope-a-dope and last second crumple. Eli's demeanor was truly calm, ah shucks. I think Jones is a basketcase, looks calm but he looked freaked out speaking to press today. Totally wigged out

Yes Eli never missed a game due to injury in 16 seasons which is still another reason that he should be a first ballot Hall of Fame slam dunk in my humble opinion.
RE: RE: Eli vs. Jones  
NorcalNYG : 10/6/2023 7:10 pm : link
In comment 16237327 GoBigBlue16to56 said:
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One thing that Eli Manning was amazing at was learning how to crumple under impact. He would rope-a-dope and last second crumple. Eli's demeanor was truly calm, ah shucks. I think Jones is a basketcase, looks calm but he looked freaked out speaking to press today. Totally wigged out


Yes Eli never missed a game due to injury in 16 seasons which is still another reason that he should be a first ballot Hall of Fame slam dunk in my humble opinion.


Book it. And yeah if God gave Jones better eyes he'd be all pro. For real tho, Eli first ballot hall of famer no doubt
Maybe you have a point and I can confirm stress definitely affects  
Spider56 : 10/6/2023 7:13 pm : link
vision … but wouldn’t you think the medical brain trust would have considered and looked into by now?
RE: Maybe you have a point and I can confirm stress definitely affects  
NorcalNYG : 10/6/2023 7:15 pm : link
In comment 16237332 Spider56 said:
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vision … but wouldn’t you think the medical brain trust would have considered and looked into by now?


It's more than just physical vision, it's mental acuity to process nfl speed and make quick decisions to the right spots. Field vision
Stress and Mental Health is probably not appreciated  
MeanBunny : 10/6/2023 7:18 pm : link
You can see a lot of tennis players going totally mental. The crying, quitting, early retirements etc.
Probably why Evan Neal lost his mind.
Football is interesting-you have to have a switch that turns you into beast mode from civilian mode. Doesn't work a lot.
Jones is also getting swarmed fast by opposing carnosaurs, getting piledriven, sideblinded and spoofed downfield. So instincts in NFL are :
-Deal with it instinctively(Mahomes, Brady)
-Crater
So if vision can be impaired by stress Jones hsould have spent a lot of offseason doing Aaron Rogers stuff? Darkness therapy, smoking a bowl etc. etc?
RE: Stress and Mental Health is probably not appreciated  
NorcalNYG : 10/6/2023 7:19 pm : link
In comment 16237338 MeanBunny said:
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You can see a lot of tennis players going totally mental. The crying, quitting, early retirements etc.
Probably why Evan Neal lost his mind.
Football is interesting-you have to have a switch that turns you into beast mode from civilian mode. Doesn't work a lot.
Jones is also getting swarmed fast by opposing carnosaurs, getting piledriven, sideblinded and spoofed downfield. So instincts in NFL are :
-Deal with it instinctively(Mahomes, Brady)
-Crater
So if vision can be impaired by stress Jones hsould have spent a lot of offseason doing Aaron Rogers stuff? Darkness therapy, smoking a bowl etc. etc?


DJ seems to be far too type A for any of that haha. Maybe he needs an ayahuasca trip lol!
Supporting  
Joe Beckwith : 10/6/2023 7:23 pm : link
Cast. Same as daytime.
RE: RE: I'm not sure Wonderific scores are even a thing  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/6/2023 7:24 pm : link
In comment 16237254 NorcalNYG said:
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Have u ever tried taking a few wwonderlics? I consistently test above 45, usually above 48. It's a joke and shows very little. Nothing in relation to football, no significance.

I have, I scored well. And I knew that the test wasn't called the Wonderific, unlike the OP, which probably helped.
RE: RE: RE: I'm not sure Wonderific scores are even a thing  
NorcalNYG : 10/6/2023 7:26 pm : link
In comment 16237347 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 16237246 Gatorade Dunk said:


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Have u ever tried taking a few wwonderlics? I consistently test above 45, usually above 48. It's a joke and shows very little. Nothing in relation to football, no significance.


I have, I scored well. And I knew that the test wasn't called the Wonderific, unlike the OP, which probably helped.


That gave me a lol, gotta admit
Stress and permanent damage to brain vessels  
MeanBunny : 10/6/2023 7:34 pm : link
More fun! Everyone stay calm!
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protect both blind sides!  
Pork Chop : 10/6/2023 10:50 pm : link
watch out!

Ah...  
BMCBikes : 10/7/2023 11:44 am : link
the neverending excuses for Jones, a 5th year player making 40 million. They just never ever stop, do they.
If he has an astigmatism  
bradshaw44 : 10/7/2023 2:54 pm : link
He is SOL. You can’t fix those with LASIK. I have that. Last I checked a few years ago there was no fix. And an Astigmstism fucks with shadows and hallows and night vision. And I would have issues with those lights at night for sure.
RE: If he has an astigmatism  
Hammer : 10/7/2023 3:34 pm : link
In comment 16237791 bradshaw44 said:
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He is SOL. You can’t fix those with LASIK. I have that. Last I checked a few years ago there was no fix. And an Astigmstism fucks with shadows and hallows and night vision. And I would have issues with those lights at night for sure.


I have very severe astigmatism and it impacted my athletic ability. My depth perception is off as it is my peripheral vision.

I have to venture a guess that someone with severe astigmatic could never reach the pinnacle of athletic achievement.
RE: Ah...  
Hammer : 10/7/2023 3:35 pm : link
In comment 16237628 BMCBikes said:
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the neverending excuses for Jones, a 5th year player making 40 million. They just never ever stop, do they.


We're having a discussion. No one is making excuses for anyone.
RE: RE: If he has an astigmatism  
bradshaw44 : 10/7/2023 3:54 pm : link
In comment 16237845 Hammer said:
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He is SOL. You can’t fix those with LASIK. I have that. Last I checked a few years ago there was no fix. And an Astigmstism fucks with shadows and hallows and night vision. And I would have issues with those lights at night for sure.



I have very severe astigmatism and it impacted my athletic ability. My depth perception is off as it is my peripheral vision.

I have to venture a guess that someone with severe astigmatic could never reach the pinnacle of athletic achievement.


Mine is not severe. The only time I actually have issues is at night with in coming traffic. It can really screw my judgement up of my lane. Tough to make out the bend in the road ahead. One time in college I was driving down a two lane highway and didn’t even realize I had entered an exit ramp. When the ramp turned I didn’t See it until last second and tried to make the turn by went right off the ramp. Thank God it was a rural area and flat exit ramp. I ended up on gravel and fixed myself just fine. Scary as hell though.
RE: Possibly  
HBart : 10/7/2023 6:24 pm : link
In comment 16237225 robbieballs2003 said:
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But more likely is the fact we are playing a night game almost definitely means we are playing a top team. We suck and cannot compete with top teams.

^^^^This

I can't recall a Giants team performing well regular season at night. Eli had a losing record with a horrific point differential, but a similar rating. Forever now, team as a whole sucks regular season at night cause their opponent is good and there's only been a few seasons as a top teem, and never a dominant one. QB independent.
Call me crazy  
Devour the Day : 10/7/2023 8:48 pm : link
But back in the preseason I remember Danny doing an interview and his eyes to me we like super open and he was staring oddly. I made a comment to Mrs Devour and she agreed.
Then over the weeks everytime he spoke/ did an interview I noticed the same look. He did not do this last year.
Prob means nothing but odd.
Is this for real?  
Joey in VA : 10/8/2023 10:10 am : link
You people think an NFL franchise with 4 Super Bowl wins has no eye tests done and is simply assuming all of its players can see and never checks before handing out millions of dollars? Have you ever taken a sports physical? Do you know what they test? Everything physical including eyesight. The bullshit some of you spew is borderline insane. And you actually have these thoughts and type them out, read it and think "Boy I am really on to something!" Ffs.
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