who agrees with Schoen I'm sure. Face of the franchise important. Demoralizing an already fading team further is important. Glad they are keeping Barkley.
The guy rushing for 300 yds in the last 3 games, behind this OL and vs those DL's, is unbelievable. Hell the 1 TD we got yesterday where the high school QB DeVito ran it in, worked because they faked to Barkley and the whole D followed him.
Why on earth wouldn't we move him? How doesn't saquon wake up today and say, I'd love to play for a contender. Not only that, NYG wouldn't be able to tag him again in the offseason. If LW is fetching a 2 + 5, what would a contender pay for saquon?
He's such a core part of the franchise that he was 45 mins from being let go this past offseason is jones got the franchise tag.
about the “state” of the franchise. An oft injured and inconsistent RB (who still can’t help block well) who is passing his prime as we speak and is not even under contract for next season.
The chances that Saquon Barkley is a contributor to the next Giants team that is a real contender is approximately 0.0%. He's clearly lost a few steps already. What's the point of this?
who agrees with Schoen I'm sure. Face of the franchise important. Demoralizing an already fading team further is important. Glad they are keeping Barkley.
The chances that Saquon Barkley is a contributor to the next Giants team that is a real contender is approximately 0.0%. He's clearly lost a few steps already. What's the point of this?
Bingo.
It is so strange that it does make one wonder if ownership has said no.
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Teams have continued to call the Giants about RB Saquon Barkley, but they’ve been told he’s definitely not available, per sources. The Giants were open about this last week, but it hasn’t stopped teams from trying.
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It’s one thing if teams are low-balling, but this can’t be a Gettleman situation with not taking calls on the No. 2 pick
This blows my mind. Sure it would be nice to have another weapon for a potential 1st round QB but acquiring another high pick helps in the event that they need to move up. Let’s face it trading Barkley would essentially guarantee them a top 2 pick in April which is what they need.
They can always sell Barkley on the fact that they will try to sign him as a FA after a trade this offseason.
Why didn't they just sign him long term and franchise Jones? It doesn't make sense.
because if they franchised DJ they wouldn't have any money to sign anyone else??? Without completely f'ing up the future cap with Leo or Adoree Jackson restructures
This blows my mind. Sure it would be nice to have another weapon for a potential 1st round QB but acquiring another high pick helps in the event that they need to move up. Let’s face it trading Barkley would essentially guarantee them a top 2 pick in April which is what they need.
They can always sell Barkley on the fact that they will try to sign him as a FA after a trade this offseason.
Sell Barkley? Why do they owe Barkley anything?
The players on the NYG roster the past five years don't deserve any special consideration.
that Barkley is actually an elite running back anymore? Other than how you "feel" about him, or how he "looks," etc. I mean what is the actual evidence that he has been an elite back the last few seasons?
RE: RE: I couldn't care less about who the face of a loser franchise is
It is so strange that it does make one wonder if ownership has said no.
I resisted the conclusion that John Mara was actively meddling in football operations for a long time. Howvever, as some have pointed out, we are seeing the same old patterns of mismanagement that we've seen from the Giants for a long time now. Many coaches have come and gone, scouts have come and gone, a couple of GMs, many many players....the one constant through this entire dark age has been ownership.
It’s clear as day to many here that John has a hard time
This .... but unless they have a sure fire fix the OL in the offseason he should not be untouchable. If the face of the franchise is that huge a deal .... a player swap of some sort. I will say this he personality is well received outside football. The sentiment "He is such a nice young man his mother must be proud." helps with jersey sales for young kids. Also does not hurt not have the star player plaster for some knucklehead incident over all media channels.
They are trying to drum it interest. I’m sure teams are offense 4th and 5th rounders and they want a 2nd round pick. Even if we have to eat the remainder of the money and I have to drive him to the airport, for a 2nd rounder.
RE: RE: RE: I couldn't care less about who the face of a loser franchise is
It is so strange that it does make one wonder if ownership has said no.
I resisted the conclusion that John Mara was actively meddling in football operations for a long time. Howvever, as some have pointed out, we are seeing the same old patterns of mismanagement that we've seen from the Giants for a long time now. Many coaches have come and gone, scouts have come and gone, a couple of GMs, many many players....the one constant through this entire dark age has been ownership.
Just listen to Mara talk. It's clear he's very much involved in all major decisions. Absolutely he's involved in the Barkley decision 100%.
that Barkley is actually an elite running back anymore? Other than how you "feel" about him, or how he "looks," etc. I mean what is the actual evidence that he has been an elite back the last few seasons?
He's not elite, but he's a hell of a lot better than every other RB that's been on the roster in the past 5 years.
Enjoy watching Breida and his amazing 2.6 YPC going forward.
He was great yesterday but agree with Eric he’s losing a step. Also, yesterday’s game shows why running backs aren’t getting paid like other positions. After the jets offsides he’s running out the clock and after some good runs he goes to the sideline for a break for breida to come in. In that type of spot, no other high priced position comes off the field (QB, WR, OT, any defender with the script flipped isn’t coming off).
I’m not buying her story.
She called Kim Jones and got this…sarcasm
I wouldn’t be surprised if they would trade him for a late first or early second.
Probably not going to happen with his salary expectation and injury history.
that Barkley is actually an elite running back anymore? Other than how you "feel" about him, or how he "looks," etc. I mean what is the actual evidence that he has been an elite back the last few seasons?
He's not elite, but he's a hell of a lot better than every other RB that's been on the roster in the past 5 years.
Enjoy watching Breida and his amazing 2.6 YPC going forward.
You don't get it.
Saquon is not part of the solution here.
He's an injury-prone back who is wearing down. He would be excellent for a contender right now because he has a couple of good years probably left (if he doesn't get hurt again).
that Barkley is actually an elite running back anymore? Other than how you "feel" about him, or how he "looks," etc. I mean what is the actual evidence that he has been an elite back the last few seasons?
He's not elite, but he's a hell of a lot better than every other RB that's been on the roster in the past 5 years.
Enjoy watching Breida and his amazing 2.6 YPC going forward.
I'm glad we can agree that he is no longer elite. We also have not attempted to add a #1 RB because Barkley is on the roster.
RE: RE: RE: I couldn't care less about who the face of a loser franchise is
It is so strange that it does make one wonder if ownership has said no.
I resisted the conclusion that John Mara was actively meddling in football operations for a long time. Howvever, as some have pointed out, we are seeing the same old patterns of mismanagement that we've seen from the Giants for a long time now. Many coaches have come and gone, scouts have come and gone, a couple of GMs, many many players....the one constant through this entire dark age has been ownership.
There's no reason to believe that anybody else would refer to Barkley as the "face of the franchise".
Honestly feel that the offers coming are not that great. Schoen looking around realize he is the only weapon they have big money spent on Jones who is worthless without him he is stuck and his best option is to draft one of the young stud QBs coming out and put Barkley behind him to ease the next rebuild without looking so bad that everybody gets fired
that Barkley is actually an elite running back anymore? Other than how you "feel" about him, or how he "looks," etc. I mean what is the actual evidence that he has been an elite back the last few seasons?
He's not elite, but he's a hell of a lot better than every other RB that's been on the roster in the past 5 years.
Enjoy watching Breida and his amazing 2.6 YPC going forward.
You don't get it.
Saquon is not part of the solution here.
He's an injury-prone back who is wearing down. He would be excellent for a contender right now because he has a couple of good years probably left (if he doesn't get hurt again).
So the 2-6 team gets worse? Big fucking deal.
No, I agree with everything you said here. They SHOULD trade him.
But let's not pretend the RB position is plug and play. Barkley is by far the most talented back the Giants have had. Replacing him won't be as easy as some people here think.
If the Giants won't listen to offers on Barkley that has to be coming from Mara. You think if a team offered a first for Barkley, Schoen wouldn't take it in a heartbeat?
I am not suggesting that anyone would offer that, but is this a "don't trade him for a 3rd", or "don't trade him at all?"
that Barkley is actually an elite running back anymore? Other than how you "feel" about him, or how he "looks," etc. I mean what is the actual evidence that he has been an elite back the last few seasons?
He's not elite, but he's a hell of a lot better than every other RB that's been on the roster in the past 5 years.
Enjoy watching Breida and his amazing 2.6 YPC going forward.
So Saquon's 3.6 YPC is the amazing you're looking for?
but he is still a very good back. We are wasting his career here. Our OL's always stink and we never have a real passing attack to help out. He takes a beating every game, yet still gets 100 yds. He is very much underrated by some here.
The chances that Saquon Barkley is a contributor to the next Giants team that is a real contender is approximately 0.0%. He's clearly lost a few steps already. What's the point of this?
Bingo.
It is so strange that it does make one wonder if ownership has said no.
Agreed. Of course, the question is also what other teams are offering. I'd trade him for a third, but I think it would take at least a two for the Giants to consider doing so.
I don’t get the ownership love for Saquon and Jones. I really don’t. Neither have won shit here. Is it as superficial as they seem like polite guys who say all the right things about how much they love being a Giant?
Why on earth wouldn't we move him? How doesn't saquon wake up today and say, I'd love to play for a contender. Not only that, NYG wouldn't be able to tag him again in the offseason. If LW is fetching a 2 + 5, what would a contender pay for saquon?
He's such a core part of the franchise that he was 45 mins from being let go this past offseason is jones got the franchise tag.
Are you sure it's coming from Schoen?..
We'll know when someone posts that the NFL Shop has #26 NYG jerseys on clearance.
lol, i just made this point above. Guy was an hour from being a free agent but now hes a face of the franchise?
Bingo.
It is so strange that it does make one wonder if ownership has said no.
Not being interested in offers now (if true) if egregious.
@jeffphowe
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Teams have continued to call the Giants about RB Saquon Barkley, but they’ve been told he’s definitely not available, per sources. The Giants were open about this last week, but it hasn’t stopped teams from trying.
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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It’s one thing if teams are low-balling, but this can’t be a Gettleman situation with not taking calls on the No. 2 pick
Josina getting that from Barkley's team...
They can always sell Barkley on the fact that they will try to sign him as a FA after a trade this offseason.
Proof that is must be true then :).
because if they franchised DJ they wouldn't have any money to sign anyone else??? Without completely f'ing up the future cap with Leo or Adoree Jackson restructures
They can always sell Barkley on the fact that they will try to sign him as a FA after a trade this offseason.
Sell Barkley? Why do they owe Barkley anything?
The players on the NYG roster the past five years don't deserve any special consideration.
It is so strange that it does make one wonder if ownership has said no.
I resisted the conclusion that John Mara was actively meddling in football operations for a long time. Howvever, as some have pointed out, we are seeing the same old patterns of mismanagement that we've seen from the Giants for a long time now. Many coaches have come and gone, scouts have come and gone, a couple of GMs, many many players....the one constant through this entire dark age has been ownership.
This .... but unless they have a sure fire fix the OL in the offseason he should not be untouchable. If the face of the franchise is that huge a deal .... a player swap of some sort. I will say this he personality is well received outside football. The sentiment "He is such a nice young man his mother must be proud." helps with jersey sales for young kids. Also does not hurt not have the star player plaster for some knucklehead incident over all media channels.
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Bingo.
It is so strange that it does make one wonder if ownership has said no.
I resisted the conclusion that John Mara was actively meddling in football operations for a long time. Howvever, as some have pointed out, we are seeing the same old patterns of mismanagement that we've seen from the Giants for a long time now. Many coaches have come and gone, scouts have come and gone, a couple of GMs, many many players....the one constant through this entire dark age has been ownership.
Just listen to Mara talk. It's clear he's very much involved in all major decisions. Absolutely he's involved in the Barkley decision 100%.
He's not elite, but he's a hell of a lot better than every other RB that's been on the roster in the past 5 years.
Enjoy watching Breida and his amazing 2.6 YPC going forward.
She called Kim Jones and got this…sarcasm
I wouldn’t be surprised if they would trade him for a late first or early second.
Probably not going to happen with his salary expectation and injury history.
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that Barkley is actually an elite running back anymore? Other than how you "feel" about him, or how he "looks," etc. I mean what is the actual evidence that he has been an elite back the last few seasons?
He's not elite, but he's a hell of a lot better than every other RB that's been on the roster in the past 5 years.
Enjoy watching Breida and his amazing 2.6 YPC going forward.
You don't get it.
Saquon is not part of the solution here.
He's an injury-prone back who is wearing down. He would be excellent for a contender right now because he has a couple of good years probably left (if he doesn't get hurt again).
So the 2-6 team gets worse? Big fucking deal.
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that Barkley is actually an elite running back anymore? Other than how you "feel" about him, or how he "looks," etc. I mean what is the actual evidence that he has been an elite back the last few seasons?
He's not elite, but he's a hell of a lot better than every other RB that's been on the roster in the past 5 years.
Enjoy watching Breida and his amazing 2.6 YPC going forward.
I'm glad we can agree that he is no longer elite. We also have not attempted to add a #1 RB because Barkley is on the roster.
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Bingo.
It is so strange that it does make one wonder if ownership has said no.
I resisted the conclusion that John Mara was actively meddling in football operations for a long time. Howvever, as some have pointed out, we are seeing the same old patterns of mismanagement that we've seen from the Giants for a long time now. Many coaches have come and gone, scouts have come and gone, a couple of GMs, many many players....the one constant through this entire dark age has been ownership.
There's no reason to believe that anybody else would refer to Barkley as the "face of the franchise".
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that Barkley is actually an elite running back anymore? Other than how you "feel" about him, or how he "looks," etc. I mean what is the actual evidence that he has been an elite back the last few seasons?
He's not elite, but he's a hell of a lot better than every other RB that's been on the roster in the past 5 years.
Enjoy watching Breida and his amazing 2.6 YPC going forward.
You don't get it.
Saquon is not part of the solution here.
He's an injury-prone back who is wearing down. He would be excellent for a contender right now because he has a couple of good years probably left (if he doesn't get hurt again).
So the 2-6 team gets worse? Big fucking deal.
No, I agree with everything you said here. They SHOULD trade him.
But let's not pretend the RB position is plug and play. Barkley is by far the most talented back the Giants have had. Replacing him won't be as easy as some people here think.
If the Giants won't listen to offers on Barkley that has to be coming from Mara. You think if a team offered a first for Barkley, Schoen wouldn't take it in a heartbeat?
I am not suggesting that anyone would offer that, but is this a "don't trade him for a 3rd", or "don't trade him at all?"
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that Barkley is actually an elite running back anymore? Other than how you "feel" about him, or how he "looks," etc. I mean what is the actual evidence that he has been an elite back the last few seasons?
He's not elite, but he's a hell of a lot better than every other RB that's been on the roster in the past 5 years.
Enjoy watching Breida and his amazing 2.6 YPC going forward.
So Saquon's 3.6 YPC is the amazing you're looking for?
If you get a decent offer then trade him.
This probably falls under the "ownership thinks this is a hard sell". Garbage.
But it would still be the right move.
If Barkley leaves in free agency in March, this is going to look real stupid.
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The chances that Saquon Barkley is a contributor to the next Giants team that is a real contender is approximately 0.0%. He's clearly lost a few steps already. What's the point of this?
Bingo.
It is so strange that it does make one wonder if ownership has said no.
Agreed. Of course, the question is also what other teams are offering. I'd trade him for a third, but I think it would take at least a two for the Giants to consider doing so.