It's the same tired "face of franchise" schtick... GTFOH with that. He's a declining running back that is solid but no longer spectacular. You can replace his production with other backs on the roster.
either Mara is butting into the the team affairs again and retracing his father's steps OR Schoen is not qualified for the big chair and failing on his own.
Either way I would expect Daboll who's all about passing the ball and a QB whisperer to regard the idea of a RB as the face of the franchise as nuts
Replacing Barkley isn't important. Building an offense based on 2023 best practices is.
"best practices" is a useless buzz phrase.
was spending a top 10 pick on neal best practice?
or spending $5m on parris campbell?
or $18m on glowinski?
or trading a 3rd + 14m/year for 31 year old with soft tissue issues now 3 years in a row?
how many extra wins did they buy with that assortment compared to less than half as much $ on barkley the last 1.5 years?
i dont say any of that to criticize this FO but to point out that finding good players is hard even when you spend good money or use high draft picks or both at the same time. finding good players in real life is a lot harder than you like to pretend it is on paper. a pick in the range of the one used on josh ezeudu isn't worth the only quality skill player they have.
It's the same tired "face of franchise" schtick... GTFOH with that. He's a declining running back that is solid but no longer spectacular. You can replace his production with other backs on the roster.
To qualify. Maybe our backup running backs won't match the exact level of Saquon, but I don't think it will be drastically off and frankly who cares we are 2-6.
The most important thing is to build for the future. The best contribution Saquon can make to this team's future is being a trade chip to help us built a positive one.
who agrees with Schoen I'm sure. Face of the franchise important. Demoralizing an already fading team further is important. Glad they are keeping Barkley.
He's not reliable in short yardage situations; when he gets loose he is caught from behind.
So why would I want to keep him?
I thought last season that Jones and Barkley had a chemistry together that brought out the best in both.
The option play where Jones handed it off to Barkley who went left or kept it and bootlegged it to the right was a hard play for defenses to stop. When they are in the lineup together the team has two running backs who can scoot for 15 or 20 yards.
He also caught 76 passes, most since his rookie year. Although yards per catch were not too exciting, his availability as a dump-off receiver contributed to Jones' lack of turnovers last season.
And he is credited with five fumbles in his career, with the loss of only two. That second lost fumble this season was a disaster, but over his career that stat should not be overlooked, as losing a fumble is such a really bad thing.
It would be giving him away for less than a 2nd round pick.
If Schoen wants to trade Barkley but John insists he refrain
How not trading Barkley for a 5th or 6th draft pick, even a 4th which most of “the let s be sellers” advocates have indicated is unlikely , a terrible blow to this franchise
There are 9 games left, they want to complete to the best of their ability. Don’t see how a possible 3 rd day pick is absolutely more important than that
Would you trade Tre Hawkins for Saquon Barkley? I wouldn't. Picks matter. What about Jalin Hyatt?
I understand that, but wasn’t Hyatt a 3 re round pick
RE: If Schoen wants to trade Barkley but John insists he refrain
you will NEVER know whether John is meddling in this decision.
True, but what was your first reaction to seeing this thread title? If you look from the top, many posters think ownership has their fingerprints all over this thing..
to any offers? Do you really expect him to openly admit to his running back publicly that he is looking to trade him?
We dont know what Schoen is thinking.
im sure for the right offer he would listen, everyone has a price. id imagine his price is meaningfully higher than a late 2nd and id also imagine there arent teams out there willing to pay that (not to mention the cap).
makes so much sense. They are in desperate need of a RB and he would be a perfect fit for their offense.
they were aggressive giving up a 2nd + 5th for roquan last year too. they have 6.7m in cap room so it would be tight but not impossible. not a ton of cap room next so would be a pretty all in move.
think the nyg would need more than the 2 + 5. i do wonder if maybe there's a young guy from wink's time they'd be interested in like odafe? he hasnt played/produced much since his rookie year with wink.
I agree trading him makes little sense. If we are talking about a third rounder or better and they are passing, it is head scratching. The offense sucks with him, might as well suck without him and have additional assets to move up if necessary.
I think it’s also proven out the second contracts for modern nfl running backs rarely work out…
1. Could add ammo to move up in a QB rich draft; this is a good year to have a large volume of picks
2. It saves them from making the error of paying or franchising him this winter
What's the negative? They'll lose games? They've lost 2 out of 3 games since the day he was drafted.
makes so much sense. They are in desperate need of a RB and he would be a perfect fit for their offense.
I'm not sure. Right now, the Ravens are third in the NFL in rushing yard per game. Obviously, LJax influences that.
He currently has 380 yards rushing. Even if you cut that in half, they would still be 10th in the league. Edwards and Hill have been solid. If anything, I think SB could boost their passing game.
I have zero issue trading Barkley, I think they'd be doing him a favor
It would be a win-win. However I hate people diminishing his effort and what he is bringing to the Giants. His YPC are low because he is running behind an OL of guys who should be waiting tables. People yell about giving Jones the benefit of the doubt because of the OL, but not the RB?
I get not liking the pick, but I separate the player from that. Put him on the Ravens or some other team in a real functioning offense, and I think he explodes. It sure worked for McCaffrey. Frankly getting his 1,650 yds last year was an amazing season in this offense that only has him
says the genius dupe who said he wouldn't get tagged this year.
have you already picked out your next handle if he gets tagged again in the offseason? or is that more of a spur of the moment creative process?
I said he shouldn't get tagged this year. If I said he wouldn't get tagged in a post then I simply overstated Schoen's readiness for this job.
And if he gets tagged again, we should start picking out our next candidates for GM because we'll need one.
Charitable work is so rewarding: Save the Spotted Owl > Whales > RB1
Eric, he's right. He did say they should not tag saquon
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were any of his previous handles right when they spent the entire 2022 calendar year saying schoen wouldn't tag barkley in 2023?
Any handles saying Schoen shouldn't have tagged Barkley would have been correct.
Patting yourself on the back that you forecasted a poor decision will be made regarding the NYG roster, and were found correct, is quite an achievement. Did you ask your Mom to hang it on that post on the fridge?
to any offers? Do you really expect him to openly admit to his running back publicly that he is looking to trade him?
We dont know what Schoen is thinking.
im sure for the right offer he would listen, everyone has a price. id imagine his price is meaningfully higher than a late 2nd and id also imagine there arent teams out there willing to pay that (not to mention the cap).
Right... but the article seems to imply that Schoen is not interested. Maybe he is not interested in the lousy offers he may have received and NOT that he is not interested in a trade that would make sense.
SB. Wouldn’t be traded? I really don’t see JS cutting his legs out. Besides locker room morale, team culture etc I believe he is viewed as a good player and one of few playmakers on the team
I get that some fans wanna put this season in SIM mode and get to the draft or FA or whatever. But winnng games is still a priority for the players and coaches and FO. You can dream of 24 or 25 but they have to win games to get there.
And IMO not trading 26 indicates to me that JS hopes to bring him back next year. Maybe 1 yr maybe a few. It may or may not work out that way but if there was no way or no hope to have him back there is likely a sufficient offer on the table. 3/4 round.
I feel like JS has a range of what he is willing to spend and is in the ball park. IF SB wants to be a giant he might have to take what’s offered. I would think there is some groundwork already
that can be traded for picks and that includes Barkley. For the Giants to hold on to him in lieu of even a 3rd round pick is foolish.
Now as to Barkley's yards and avg ypa - have any of you actually watched any of the decent to good teams play and the size of the holes opened by those teams' olines? I doubt it from what I am reading. I am not sure I have ever seen multiple defensive players continually in the backfield like I see happen with the Giants. Even other crappy teams' offensive lines are able to open the occasional hole for their RBs. I think it is a minor miracle that Barkley can actually get any yardage at all.
You put him on a team with an NFL avg line and he will be more than effective. I am not sure which contender needs a RB, but if he got to a team that can actually block he would improve their chances of winning games.
And on a side note - I also see almost every other team be able to throw quick slants or outs to gain 3-4 yards when needed. Did you see the Giants even attempt one of those Sunday, even when Taylor was in the game? No because he was smashed the minute he got set.
This is the most inept offense I have seen - the only one worse was the 2021 Giants with Fromm and Glennon.
What is my ultimate point? I do not care if Patrick Mahomes was the QB of this team, they would still be unable to win and Mahomes would be injured. Jones is not the answer at QB, but until something is done with this line nobody will be the answer.
RE: If Schoen wants to trade Barkley but John insists he refrain
this. it’s the only way to save what will otherwise be a short lived GM career.
That would probably get him blackballed. Better to go down with the ship.
But yes, this is obviously not Schoen's decision. Everytime the Maras stick their nose into player personnel decisions, it's usually detrimental to the team.
RE: RE: RE: If Schoen wants to trade Barkley but John insists he refrain
this. it’s the only way to save what will otherwise be a short lived GM career.
That would probably get him blackballed. Better to go down with the ship.
But yes, this is obviously not Schoen's decision. Everytime the Maras stick their nose into player personnel decisions, it's usually detrimental to the team.
I seriously doubt that Mara would "order" Schoen to not trade Barkley. I think that is a non issue.
Why would Schoen take him off the table willingly?
Who said he did? Josina?
How about:
1) He was getting bad offers
2) Wasn't really getting any offers
3) Figures he needs a real RB for next year, especially if they go for a QB in rnd 1. Unlike the mob, I think Barkley is still a very good weapon and perhaps so do Daboll and Schoen.
Just because BBI wants to trade Barkley doesn't mean Schoen and Daboll do...and personally, yes, I would trade him
Let’s say Mara did insist on that, do you think that’s the first time in the history of sports an owner demanded something? Should all of those GMs quit too?
Schoen can quit, and I’d think he’s a little bitch for it. I’m sure most of the league would too. Nothing screams difficult to work with quit like quitting when you don’t get your way, on a decision that isn’t even franchise altering no less.
Why would Schoen take him off the table willingly?
This is the correct question to ask.
What attachment does Joe Schoen have to Saquon Barkley? After forcing him to accept the franchise tag, is there any reason to believe that Joe Schoen believes Barkley to be a valuable long term asset to building a champion?
There's no doubt in my mind that in meetings with his GM, John Mara has clearly voiced the "face of the franchise" opinion. And as the team's owner, he has every right to make those decisions - Joe Schoen answers to him.
We also don't know what's being offered. The optimistic look at the whole idea of saying Barkley isn't available is that perhaps they are trying to maximize the return.
The more likely scenario is that the Giants as an organization don't have the stomach to tell a certain group of fans that Barkley isn't going to be part of a champion here.
Who cares about a "face of the franchise" label when we're on track for another top 10 pick?
And she throws in the word "clear" because it's anything but clear. Any time someone says "clearly" or "obviously" or "we can all agree" it's a preemptive strike because they know it's anything but those things.
They just handed out huge contracts to Jones, Thomas, and Lawrence...
And basically told Barkley to go to hell, but yeah, sure, he's the "clear face" of the franchise.
I agree. Barkley is popular with the fans and media and that’s muddied the perception of what’s happened - he wasn’t given a great offer mid season last year, he was then tagged, and he might get tagged again. In reality it could play out exactly how people that didn’t want him to sign a long term deal hoped it would, but now it means Mara is the puppet master? Doesn’t add up.
Why would Schoen take him off the table willingly?
This is the correct question to ask.
What attachment does Joe Schoen have to Saquon Barkley? After forcing him to accept the franchise tag, is there any reason to believe that Joe Schoen believes Barkley to be a valuable long term asset to building a champion?
There's no doubt in my mind that in meetings with his GM, John Mara has clearly voiced the "face of the franchise" opinion. And as the team's owner, he has every right to make those decisions - Joe Schoen answers to him.
We also don't know what's being offered. The optimistic look at the whole idea of saying Barkley isn't available is that perhaps they are trying to maximize the return.
The more likely scenario is that the Giants as an organization don't have the stomach to tell a certain group of fans that Barkley isn't going to be part of a champion here.
You make some good points.
I think Schoen forced the tag because he had to. Barkley turned down a contract similar to Taylor's a year ago. The Giants wanted to keep him, so the tag was the only option after signing Jones.
As we are so fondly told by some of the BBI faithful, there is no long term rebuild in the NFL. Teams can turn around the following year. So maybe Barkley isn't being looked at for 3 years down the road, but next year and the following are not out of the question.
We agree that offers may not be that good.
I can see fans being upset about Barkley being traded and perhaps that is a small reason to not trade him, but a GM that is afraid to trade a marquis name isn't much of a GM. And yes the owner maybe did ask Schoen not to trade Barkley for a pittance...
It's the same tired "face of franchise" schtick... GTFOH with that. He's a declining running back that is solid but no longer spectacular. You can replace his production with other backs on the roster.
If a RB is the face of your franchise, your franchise is going nowhere.
+5000
Exactly
Either way I would expect Daboll who's all about passing the ball and a QB whisperer to regard the idea of a RB as the face of the franchise as nuts
Crazy not to trade him. Order must come from Mara
Replacing Barkley isn't important. Building an offense based on 2023 best practices is.
"best practices" is a useless buzz phrase.
was spending a top 10 pick on neal best practice?
or spending $5m on parris campbell?
or $18m on glowinski?
or trading a 3rd + 14m/year for 31 year old with soft tissue issues now 3 years in a row?
how many extra wins did they buy with that assortment compared to less than half as much $ on barkley the last 1.5 years?
i dont say any of that to criticize this FO but to point out that finding good players is hard even when you spend good money or use high draft picks or both at the same time. finding good players in real life is a lot harder than you like to pretend it is on paper. a pick in the range of the one used on josh ezeudu isn't worth the only quality skill player they have.
says the genius dupe who said he wouldn't get tagged this year.
have you already picked out your next handle if he gets tagged again in the offseason? or is that more of a spur of the moment creative process?
It's the same tired "face of franchise" schtick... GTFOH with that. He's a declining running back that is solid but no longer spectacular. You can replace his production with other backs on the roster.
To qualify. Maybe our backup running backs won't match the exact level of Saquon, but I don't think it will be drastically off and frankly who cares we are 2-6.
The most important thing is to build for the future. The best contribution Saquon can make to this team's future is being a trade chip to help us built a positive one.
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says the genius dupe who said he wouldn't get tagged this year.
have you already picked out your next handle if he gets tagged again in the offseason? or is that more of a spur of the moment creative process?
I said he shouldn't get tagged this year. If I said he wouldn't get tagged in a post then I simply overstated Schoen's readiness for this job.
And if he gets tagged again, we should start picking out our next candidates for GM because we'll need one.
Charitable work is so rewarding: Save the Spotted Owl > Whales > RB1
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who agrees with Schoen I'm sure. Face of the franchise important. Demoralizing an already fading team further is important. Glad they are keeping Barkley.
Are you sure it's coming from Schoen?..
Are you sure it's coming from elsewhere?
Idk, rings a bit hollow
He’s the offense for an offense that stinks and has generally stunk for his entire career. Maybe we try building a different kind of offense.
We dont know what Schoen is thinking.
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looks they will be working overtime tonight.
says the genius dupe who said he wouldn't get tagged this year.
have you already picked out your next handle if he gets tagged again in the offseason? or is that more of a spur of the moment creative process?
I said he shouldn't get tagged this year. If I said he wouldn't get tagged in a post then I simply overstated Schoen's readiness for this job.
And if he gets tagged again, we should start picking out our next candidates for GM because we'll need one.
Charitable work is so rewarding: Save the Spotted Owl > Whales > RB1
Eric, he's right. He did say they should not tag saquon
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So why would I want to keep him?
I thought last season that Jones and Barkley had a chemistry together that brought out the best in both.
The option play where Jones handed it off to Barkley who went left or kept it and bootlegged it to the right was a hard play for defenses to stop. When they are in the lineup together the team has two running backs who can scoot for 15 or 20 yards.
He also caught 76 passes, most since his rookie year. Although yards per catch were not too exciting, his availability as a dump-off receiver contributed to Jones' lack of turnovers last season.
And he is credited with five fumbles in his career, with the loss of only two. That second lost fumble this season was a disaster, but over his career that stat should not be overlooked, as losing a fumble is such a really bad thing.
It would be giving him away for less than a 2nd round pick.
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How not trading Barkley for a 5th or 6th draft pick, even a 4th which most of “the let s be sellers” advocates have indicated is unlikely , a terrible blow to this franchise
There are 9 games left, they want to complete to the best of their ability. Don’t see how a possible 3 rd day pick is absolutely more important than that
Would you trade Tre Hawkins for Saquon Barkley? I wouldn't. Picks matter. What about Jalin Hyatt?
I understand that, but wasn’t Hyatt a 3 re round pick
you will NEVER know whether John is meddling in this decision.
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you will NEVER know whether John is meddling in this decision.
True, but what was your first reaction to seeing this thread title? If you look from the top, many posters think ownership has their fingerprints all over this thing..
This probably falls under the "ownership thinks this is a hard sell". Garbage.
No problem with your opinion. I don't share it, but it is eminently reasonable.
But you are always such an ass.
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looks they will be working overtime tonight.
says the genius dupe who said he wouldn't get tagged this year.
have you already picked out your next handle if he gets tagged again in the offseason? or is that more of a spur of the moment creative process?
I said he shouldn't get tagged this year. If I said he wouldn't get tagged in a post then I simply overstated Schoen's readiness for this job.
And if he gets tagged again, we should start picking out our next candidates for GM because we'll need one.
Charitable work is so rewarding: Save the Spotted Owl > Whales > RB1
Eric, he's right. He did say they should not tag saquon
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were any of his previous handles right when they spent the entire 2022 calendar year saying schoen wouldn't tag barkley in 2023?
We dont know what Schoen is thinking.
im sure for the right offer he would listen, everyone has a price. id imagine his price is meaningfully higher than a late 2nd and id also imagine there arent teams out there willing to pay that (not to mention the cap).
they were aggressive giving up a 2nd + 5th for roquan last year too. they have 6.7m in cap room so it would be tight but not impossible. not a ton of cap room next so would be a pretty all in move.
think the nyg would need more than the 2 + 5. i do wonder if maybe there's a young guy from wink's time they'd be interested in like odafe? he hasnt played/produced much since his rookie year with wink.
I think it’s also proven out the second contracts for modern nfl running backs rarely work out…
2. It saves them from making the error of paying or franchising him this winter
What's the negative? They'll lose games? They've lost 2 out of 3 games since the day he was drafted.
I'm not sure. Right now, the Ravens are third in the NFL in rushing yard per game. Obviously, LJax influences that.
He currently has 380 yards rushing. Even if you cut that in half, they would still be 10th in the league. Edwards and Hill have been solid. If anything, I think SB could boost their passing game.
I get not liking the pick, but I separate the player from that. Put him on the Ravens or some other team in a real functioning offense, and I think he explodes. It sure worked for McCaffrey. Frankly getting his 1,650 yds last year was an amazing season in this offense that only has him
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looks they will be working overtime tonight.
says the genius dupe who said he wouldn't get tagged this year.
have you already picked out your next handle if he gets tagged again in the offseason? or is that more of a spur of the moment creative process?
I said he shouldn't get tagged this year. If I said he wouldn't get tagged in a post then I simply overstated Schoen's readiness for this job.
And if he gets tagged again, we should start picking out our next candidates for GM because we'll need one.
Charitable work is so rewarding: Save the Spotted Owl > Whales > RB1
Eric, he's right. He did say they should not tag saquon
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were any of his previous handles right when they spent the entire 2022 calendar year saying schoen wouldn't tag barkley in 2023?
Any handles saying Schoen shouldn't have tagged Barkley would have been correct.
Patting yourself on the back that you forecasted a poor decision will be made regarding the NYG roster, and were found correct, is quite an achievement. Did you ask your Mom to hang it on that post on the fridge?
Instead of 2nd and 13 after barkey runs it
Instead of 2nd and 13 after barkey runs it
Yeah, Breida was great at getting positive yardage yesterday. He’s also had his two best years as a Giant, right?
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to any offers? Do you really expect him to openly admit to his running back publicly that he is looking to trade him?
We dont know what Schoen is thinking.
im sure for the right offer he would listen, everyone has a price. id imagine his price is meaningfully higher than a late 2nd and id also imagine there arent teams out there willing to pay that (not to mention the cap).
Right... but the article seems to imply that Schoen is not interested. Maybe he is not interested in the lousy offers he may have received and NOT that he is not interested in a trade that would make sense.
I get that some fans wanna put this season in SIM mode and get to the draft or FA or whatever. But winnng games is still a priority for the players and coaches and FO. You can dream of 24 or 25 but they have to win games to get there.
And IMO not trading 26 indicates to me that JS hopes to bring him back next year. Maybe 1 yr maybe a few. It may or may not work out that way but if there was no way or no hope to have him back there is likely a sufficient offer on the table. 3/4 round.
But it would still be the right move.
If Barkley leaves in free agency in March, this is going to look real stupid.
Now as to Barkley's yards and avg ypa - have any of you actually watched any of the decent to good teams play and the size of the holes opened by those teams' olines? I doubt it from what I am reading. I am not sure I have ever seen multiple defensive players continually in the backfield like I see happen with the Giants. Even other crappy teams' offensive lines are able to open the occasional hole for their RBs. I think it is a minor miracle that Barkley can actually get any yardage at all.
You put him on a team with an NFL avg line and he will be more than effective. I am not sure which contender needs a RB, but if he got to a team that can actually block he would improve their chances of winning games.
And on a side note - I also see almost every other team be able to throw quick slants or outs to gain 3-4 yards when needed. Did you see the Giants even attempt one of those Sunday, even when Taylor was in the game? No because he was smashed the minute he got set.
This is the most inept offense I have seen - the only one worse was the 2021 Giants with Fromm and Glennon.
What is my ultimate point? I do not care if Patrick Mahomes was the QB of this team, they would still be unable to win and Mahomes would be injured. Jones is not the answer at QB, but until something is done with this line nobody will be the answer.
this. it’s the only way to save what will otherwise be a short lived GM career.
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Joe should quit.
this. it’s the only way to save what will otherwise be a short lived GM career.
That would probably get him blackballed. Better to go down with the ship.
But yes, this is obviously not Schoen's decision. Everytime the Maras stick their nose into player personnel decisions, it's usually detrimental to the team.
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Joe should quit.
this. it’s the only way to save what will otherwise be a short lived GM career.
That would probably get him blackballed. Better to go down with the ship.
But yes, this is obviously not Schoen's decision. Everytime the Maras stick their nose into player personnel decisions, it's usually detrimental to the team.
I seriously doubt that Mara would "order" Schoen to not trade Barkley. I think that is a non issue.
Who said he did? Josina?
How about:
1) He was getting bad offers
2) Wasn't really getting any offers
3) Figures he needs a real RB for next year, especially if they go for a QB in rnd 1. Unlike the mob, I think Barkley is still a very good weapon and perhaps so do Daboll and Schoen.
Just because BBI wants to trade Barkley doesn't mean Schoen and Daboll do...and personally, yes, I would trade him
Schoen can quit, and I’d think he’s a little bitch for it. I’m sure most of the league would too. Nothing screams difficult to work with quit like quitting when you don’t get your way, on a decision that isn’t even franchise altering no less.
This is the correct question to ask.
What attachment does Joe Schoen have to Saquon Barkley? After forcing him to accept the franchise tag, is there any reason to believe that Joe Schoen believes Barkley to be a valuable long term asset to building a champion?
There's no doubt in my mind that in meetings with his GM, John Mara has clearly voiced the "face of the franchise" opinion. And as the team's owner, he has every right to make those decisions - Joe Schoen answers to him.
We also don't know what's being offered. The optimistic look at the whole idea of saying Barkley isn't available is that perhaps they are trying to maximize the return.
The more likely scenario is that the Giants as an organization don't have the stomach to tell a certain group of fans that Barkley isn't going to be part of a champion here.
I agree. Barkley is popular with the fans and media and that’s muddied the perception of what’s happened - he wasn’t given a great offer mid season last year, he was then tagged, and he might get tagged again. In reality it could play out exactly how people that didn’t want him to sign a long term deal hoped it would, but now it means Mara is the puppet master? Doesn’t add up.
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Why would Schoen take him off the table willingly?
This is the correct question to ask.
What attachment does Joe Schoen have to Saquon Barkley? After forcing him to accept the franchise tag, is there any reason to believe that Joe Schoen believes Barkley to be a valuable long term asset to building a champion?
There's no doubt in my mind that in meetings with his GM, John Mara has clearly voiced the "face of the franchise" opinion. And as the team's owner, he has every right to make those decisions - Joe Schoen answers to him.
We also don't know what's being offered. The optimistic look at the whole idea of saying Barkley isn't available is that perhaps they are trying to maximize the return.
The more likely scenario is that the Giants as an organization don't have the stomach to tell a certain group of fans that Barkley isn't going to be part of a champion here.
You make some good points.
I think Schoen forced the tag because he had to. Barkley turned down a contract similar to Taylor's a year ago. The Giants wanted to keep him, so the tag was the only option after signing Jones.
As we are so fondly told by some of the BBI faithful, there is no long term rebuild in the NFL. Teams can turn around the following year. So maybe Barkley isn't being looked at for 3 years down the road, but next year and the following are not out of the question.
We agree that offers may not be that good.
I can see fans being upset about Barkley being traded and perhaps that is a small reason to not trade him, but a GM that is afraid to trade a marquis name isn't much of a GM. And yes the owner maybe did ask Schoen not to trade Barkley for a pittance...