As we are so fondly told by some of the BBI faithful, there is no long term rebuild in the NFL. Teams can turn around the following year. So maybe Barkley isn't being looked at for 3 years down the road, but next year and the following are not out of the question.
We agree that offers may not be that good.
I can see fans being upset about Barkley being traded and perhaps that is a small reason to not trade him, but a GM that is afraid to trade a marquis name isn't much of a GM. And yes the owner maybe did ask Schoen not to trade Barkley for a pittance...
Yeah it's difficult to know exactly without having an idea of the kind of offers they are getting.
The only thing I'd say about the long term vs. quick rebuild is that it's certainly dependent on the situation. While the trajectory of a franchise can turn around in a single offseason, that still most likely will not result in anything substantive until years 2-3 at the earliest. Let's be honest, if the Giants aren't looking at 2025, we're in deep trouble already.
As it relates to Barkley, given what we know about RBs in this league, does it make sense to pay him $13-14 million AAV in 2024-25 when it's very likely the Giants won't conceivably be any better than a hopeful fringe playoff team?
I have to say I am usually not in the blame Mara camp
but it really does not track that we won't trade Saquon unless we are trying to drive up a bargain. He is simply not a winning player--way too many mistakes--and he is getting up their in the mileage category. To not trade him is malpractice if we got a good offer like a second round pick.
says the genius dupe who said he wouldn't get tagged this year.
have you already picked out your next handle if he gets tagged again in the offseason? or is that more of a spur of the moment creative process?
I said he shouldn't get tagged this year. If I said he wouldn't get tagged in a post then I simply overstated Schoen's readiness for this job.
And if he gets tagged again, we should start picking out our next candidates for GM because we'll need one.
Charitable work is so rewarding: Save the Spotted Owl > Whales > RB1
Eric, he's right. He did say they should not tag saquon
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Save the franchise tag for positions with higher value/lower supply.
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Low YPC this year? Who the hell does he have blocking for him and who is playing QB lately? He gained 128 yards rushing on a team who had NO QB! They would have been better off running the Wildcat
says the genius dupe who said he wouldn't get tagged this year.
have you already picked out your next handle if he gets tagged again in the offseason? or is that more of a spur of the moment creative process?
I said he shouldn't get tagged this year. If I said he wouldn't get tagged in a post then I simply overstated Schoen's readiness for this job.
And if he gets tagged again, we should start picking out our next candidates for GM because we'll need one.
Charitable work is so rewarding: Save the Spotted Owl > Whales > RB1
Eric, he's right. He did say they should not tag saquon
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chick310 : 1/24/2023 3:50 pm : link
Save the franchise tag for positions with higher value/lower supply.
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Low YPC this year? Who the hell does he have blocking for him and who is playing QB lately? He gained 128 yards rushing on a team who had NO QB! They would have been better off running the Wildcat
+1. He's also led the NFL in rushing the past 3 weeks behind this OL of misfits and no passing attack, but don't tell anyone it will disturb the "everyone sucks including Barkley" narrative
"Saquon’s last game over 4 YPC was Week 1 & the Giants aren’t taking calls on him despite him being on the franchise tag and missing games in 4 of the last 5 years."
He then follows up by saying he's not necessarily advocating they trade him, but that they should at least explore what they can get!
Josina Anderson has shown zero contacts with this orginization,
except a few on the player side. Wouldn't suprise me if this is coming from Saquons team even.
She knows this will generate clicks for the conspiracy nuts in our fandom that have PTSD from the 70s were ownership was intimately involved with our sucking.
RE: Josina Anderson has shown zero contacts with this orginization,
except a few on the player side. Wouldn't suprise me if this is coming from Saquons team even.
She knows this will generate clicks for the conspiracy nuts in our fandom that have PTSD from the 70s were ownership was intimately involved with our sucking.
Don't have to go back that far to see evidence of ownership involved in our sucking.
Gettlemen picking Saquon at #2 set our franchise back.
this. it’s the only way to save what will otherwise be a short lived GM career.
That would probably get him blackballed. Better to go down with the ship.
But yes, this is obviously not Schoen's decision. Everytime the Maras stick their nose into player personnel decisions, it's usually detrimental to the team.
I seriously doubt that Mara would "order" Schoen to not trade Barkley. I think that is a non issue.
I agree. He saw his dad cut Phil Simms loose. I am sure he learned from that - it's still a business.
And considering how shitty we have displayed this year on offense - if a trade is going to make us better he'd be all for it. And if really liked SB wouldn't it be nice to send him to a potential winner?
Flip side - maybe Schoen wants SB around for the rookie QB next year to lean on.
A lot of factors here, but bottom line, if he gets the right deal he'd be allowed to pull the trigger IMO.
RE: Gettlemen picking Saquon at #2 set our franchise back.
maybe I am paranoid but I still see the hands of Mara on this roster and on the ability of the GM to make moves.
As we are so fondly told by some of the BBI faithful, there is no long term rebuild in the NFL. Teams can turn around the following year. So maybe Barkley isn't being looked at for 3 years down the road, but next year and the following are not out of the question.
We agree that offers may not be that good.
I can see fans being upset about Barkley being traded and perhaps that is a small reason to not trade him, but a GM that is afraid to trade a marquis name isn't much of a GM. And yes the owner maybe did ask Schoen not to trade Barkley for a pittance...
Yeah it's difficult to know exactly without having an idea of the kind of offers they are getting.
The only thing I'd say about the long term vs. quick rebuild is that it's certainly dependent on the situation. While the trajectory of a franchise can turn around in a single offseason, that still most likely will not result in anything substantive until years 2-3 at the earliest. Let's be honest, if the Giants aren't looking at 2025, we're in deep trouble already.
As it relates to Barkley, given what we know about RBs in this league, does it make sense to pay him $13-14 million AAV in 2024-25 when it's very likely the Giants won't conceivably be any better than a hopeful fringe playoff team?
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looks they will be working overtime tonight.
says the genius dupe who said he wouldn't get tagged this year.
have you already picked out your next handle if he gets tagged again in the offseason? or is that more of a spur of the moment creative process?
I said he shouldn't get tagged this year. If I said he wouldn't get tagged in a post then I simply overstated Schoen's readiness for this job.
And if he gets tagged again, we should start picking out our next candidates for GM because we'll need one.
Charitable work is so rewarding: Save the Spotted Owl > Whales > RB1
Eric, he's right. He did say they should not tag saquon
Quote:
Even more exciting news
chick310 : 1/24/2023 3:50 pm : link
Save the franchise tag for positions with higher value/lower supply.
... - ( New Window )
Low YPC this year? Who the hell does he have blocking for him and who is playing QB lately? He gained 128 yards rushing on a team who had NO QB! They would have been better off running the Wildcat
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looks they will be working overtime tonight.
says the genius dupe who said he wouldn't get tagged this year.
have you already picked out your next handle if he gets tagged again in the offseason? or is that more of a spur of the moment creative process?
I said he shouldn't get tagged this year. If I said he wouldn't get tagged in a post then I simply overstated Schoen's readiness for this job.
And if he gets tagged again, we should start picking out our next candidates for GM because we'll need one.
Charitable work is so rewarding: Save the Spotted Owl > Whales > RB1
Eric, he's right. He did say they should not tag saquon
Quote:
Even more exciting news
chick310 : 1/24/2023 3:50 pm : link
Save the franchise tag for positions with higher value/lower supply.
... - ( New Window )
Low YPC this year? Who the hell does he have blocking for him and who is playing QB lately? He gained 128 yards rushing on a team who had NO QB! They would have been better off running the Wildcat
+1. He's also led the NFL in rushing the past 3 weeks behind this OL of misfits and no passing attack, but don't tell anyone it will disturb the "everyone sucks including Barkley" narrative
He then follows up by saying he's not necessarily advocating they trade him, but that they should at least explore what they can get!
She knows this will generate clicks for the conspiracy nuts in our fandom that have PTSD from the 70s were ownership was intimately involved with our sucking.
She knows this will generate clicks for the conspiracy nuts in our fandom that have PTSD from the 70s were ownership was intimately involved with our sucking.
Don't have to go back that far to see evidence of ownership involved in our sucking.
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Joe should quit.
this. it’s the only way to save what will otherwise be a short lived GM career.
That would probably get him blackballed. Better to go down with the ship.
But yes, this is obviously not Schoen's decision. Everytime the Maras stick their nose into player personnel decisions, it's usually detrimental to the team.
I seriously doubt that Mara would "order" Schoen to not trade Barkley. I think that is a non issue.
I agree. He saw his dad cut Phil Simms loose. I am sure he learned from that - it's still a business.
And considering how shitty we have displayed this year on offense - if a trade is going to make us better he'd be all for it. And if really liked SB wouldn't it be nice to send him to a potential winner?
Flip side - maybe Schoen wants SB around for the rookie QB next year to lean on.
A lot of factors here, but bottom line, if he gets the right deal he'd be allowed to pull the trigger IMO.
you need to include the phrase - "in my humble opinion" to your post.
I would say failing to build a cohesive offensive line is the thing that set the team back (IMHO) and is still setting them back.