Short of him going to a racist rant, Brian Daboll will be the head coach of the New York Giants on Week 1, 2024.
If the Giants finish 2-15, Daboll's job is safe.
If Mckinney calls him a motherf***er to the media, Daboll's job is safe.
If he sleeps with Scheon's wife, Daboll's job is safe (his health might be a different story)
Try reading the various posts and threads.
Is coaching a big reason why we suck right now?
Yes. It is part of the whole shit stew. You’re down to your 3rd string qb, but your first and second string did nothing. Defense is giving up (Williams trade was a white flag maybe?) and your offensive line, while disastrously injured much of the time, is bad when healthy anyway. I think the coaches might low key suck, but I agree with the OP that they’re not going anywhere.
To me Daboll seems like a guy who is losing control-crappy sideline demeanor, team arguing on sideline, team sucks horribly bad. hopefully he regains some semblance of competitive edge otherwise the fact (and yes, it’s a fact) that he’s automatically back here next year is going to make a lot of us uneasy.
To me the "correct" answer here is to chalk up 2023 as a very painful year of education for Schoen and Daboll, and hope that they learn from it. (Specifically with respect to back-of-the-roster management!) Assuming they go for a new QB, they get two more years, and if there's no measurable progress by the end of 2025, then you blow it up and start again, yet again.
But Mara calls the shots; he might think they need another reset.
I don't think too many people believe the issue has much to do with whether or not Brian Daboll returns as Head Coach next season.
Rather, can he get his players to show up for any of the remaining seven games of this dismal season?
The team is in a free-fall and the vacuum it has created has sucked Brian Daboll and his entire staff right along with it.
Schoen and Daboll are a HUGE reason why we are where we are. They felt our OL was good enough. Daboll hired Bobby Johnson. Schoen decided not to use the 5th year option on Jones. The next year they panic and give him $40 per year mostly because Daboll challenged Jones and he passed with flying colors. Daboll still is hanging on to our Special Teams coach. They still want to pay Barkley. This year is a making of their own doing.
Do I think they should be fired? No, not yet. However, let's not make them the victims here.
There is no issue with losing, but I do have an issue when the team is non competitive. Even when the Giants were healthy, they lost 40-0 at home against Dallas.
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The team is in a free-fall and the vacuum it has created has sucked Brian Daboll and his entire staff right along with it.
Schoen and Daboll are a HUGE reason why we are where we are. They felt our OL was good enough. Daboll hired Bobby Johnson. Schoen decided not to use the 5th year option on Jones. The next year they panic and give him $40 per year mostly because Daboll challenged Jones and he passed with flying colors. Daboll still is hanging on to our Special Teams coach. They still want to pay Barkley. This year is a making of their own doing.
Do I think they should be fired? No, not yet. However, let's not make them the victims here.
Definitely not trying to make Brian Daboll out as a "victim." There's a ton of blame that can be slathered on everyone... Ownership, Joe Schoen, Brian Daboll, the assistant coaches and last -- but not least -- the players.
As an aside, this is the Giants team that the Eagles undressed in the playoffs last season; the Eagles gave Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll a huge hint that went unnoticed: Your team sucks and the 2022 Season was mostly a mirage.
There is no issue with losing, but I do have an issue when the team is non competitive. Even when the Giants were healthy, they lost 40-0 at home against Dallas.
Sean -- increasingly, I'm beginning to believe that the success of last season was mostly a mirage. And the Eagles play-off game was the big tell.
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I don't think Schoen & Daboll should be fired, but they've lost all benefit of the doubt with me. Everything they gained from 2022 is gone.
There is no issue with losing, but I do have an issue when the team is non competitive. Even when the Giants were healthy, they lost 40-0 at home against Dallas.
Sean -- increasingly, I'm beginning to believe that the success of last season was mostly a mirage. And the Eagles play-off game was the big tell.
Yeah. I said something after the game last year I forgot what but everyone was all "shut up and be giggly they made it this far" I mean yeah I get it, but that and the 40-0 really sent the Giants a message.
That Philly game showed they did not belong. I didn't expect them to get better but I did at the same time think maybe they could pull off 7 wins in 2023.
Personally, I expected a good effort that showed familiarity with your biggest rival. Like the Skins play them. They were and are not some unbeatable force. The fact the team just laid down and was so intimidated in the moment was disturbing. And after talking shit all week!
I haven’t seen too many teams completely no show like that in the Playoffs.
Who would give anyone a 10 year extension?
Oh wait....(said the Aggie)
I really don't care if they are retained or fired. I just want Mara to get it right. I am getting too old to keep hoping tht this organization gets its act together and living in Cowboy country does not make this debacle easy.
He should be fired. It’s one thing to lose. It’s another not to be competitive. With that said I don’t think he will be fired.
You retain a coach because you believe he can get the job done. You retain a GM for the same reason. You should never retain a coach or GM because of some artificial time restriction. Which of the former Giant coaches that only lasted two years or less has proven the Giants wrong since they were fired? A bad hire is a bad hire and time will not change that.
If you believe in Daboll--keep him, but don't ignore the warning signs about the judgment of this regime in constructing this team and in the playcalling on both sides of the ball. I suspect either or both of Wink and Kafka are done after this year.
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He should be fired. It’s one thing to lose. It’s another not to be competitive. With that said I don’t think he will be fired.
Who is succeeding with a third string QB?
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He should be fired. It’s one thing to lose. It’s another not to be competitive. With that said I don’t think he will be fired.
Who is succeeding with a third string QB?
They didnt succeed with a first string, a second string, or a third string QB. When other teams tell you your starting QB only looks at one receiver and your organization signs him to a $100 million contract, your management skills need to be scrutinized. When you go into a season with the same level offensive line youve had for the past ten years with out 1 viable backup your management skills need to be scrutinized. When, even when healthy, you go into these games looking so unprepared, well you get it.
Negative articles seem to get more clicks so I'd expect to see certain beats try to jump all over every little thing that isn't perfect in an attempt to cause controversy.
Buckle up, its going to be painful 8 weeks to sit through.
Exactly!
I have bigger cultural comments about the Giants to make but I’ll leave it at that.
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He should be fired. It’s one thing to lose. It’s another not to be competitive. With that said I don’t think he will be fired.
Who is succeeding with a third string QB?
They didnt succeed with a first string, a second string, or a third string QB. When other teams tell you your starting QB only looks at one receiver and your organization signs him to a $100 million contract, your management skills need to be scrutinized. When you go into a season with the same level offensive line youve had for the past ten years with out 1 viable backup your management skills need to be scrutinized. When, even when healthy, you go into these games looking so unprepared, well you get it.
If Jones was not signed, who was your QB#1 going into this year?
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The team is in a free-fall and the vacuum it has created has sucked Brian Daboll and his entire staff right along with it.
Schoen and Daboll are a HUGE reason why we are where we are. They felt our OL was good enough. Daboll hired Bobby Johnson. Schoen decided not to use the 5th year option on Jones. The next year they panic and give him $40 per year mostly because Daboll challenged Jones and he passed with flying colors. Daboll still is hanging on to our Special Teams coach. They still want to pay Barkley. This year is a making of their own doing.
Do I think they should be fired? No, not yet. However, let's not make them the victims here.
Definitely not trying to make Brian Daboll out as a "victim." There's a ton of blame that can be slathered on everyone... Ownership, Joe Schoen, Brian Daboll, the assistant coaches and last -- but not least -- the players.
As an aside, this is the Giants team that the Eagles undressed in the playoffs last season; the Eagles gave Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll a huge hint that went unnoticed: Your team sucks and the 2022 Season was mostly a mirage.
Buffalo wasn't a mirage [on defense] although the Bills probably came into the game too complacent.
In a similar manner, I believe this defensive squad went into a funk with the Williams trade. They are quick to claim pro football is a "business" when one of their own holds out, but cry when management makes a good business decision for the sake of the team's future.
I don't read all the threads - I don't even read most of the threads.
Can't believe there are people who actually think he will be fired after this season. That maybe what they want to happen but, anybody who follows this team knows it will not happen this year.