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Breaking down draft into SuperBlue, Blue, and Red chips...

Milton : 11/13/2023 9:21 am
This will surely change between now and April, but as it stands right now, the draftnik consensus seems to divide the prospects into...
SuperBlue: Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, Marvin Harrison Jr
Blue: Olu Fashanu, Brock Bowers
Red: Dallas Turner, Joe Alt, Keon Coleman, Jared Verse, Rome Odunze, Kool Aid McKinstry, etc, etc, etc (figure on more than a dozen red chips and roughly 20 or so prospects overall with 1st round grades, historically speaking).

The top three in the SuperBlue category haven't budged from their spots since the start of the year, but there's been some shuffling just below with Dallas Turner and Joe Alt making the strongest push to join Fashanu and Bowers as consensus blue chippers. As for those two, I wouldn't be surprised to see Fashanu join Harrison Jr as the only two non-QB SuperBlues while Bowers falls to the Red category.

Of course there are a handful of QB prospects who could crash the Blue/Super Blue party. Shedeur Sanders seems to be picking up steam, ranked #9 overall on the Great Blue North Big Board and #5 on Mel Kiper's Board (dated 10/19 so not sure if it's current). And Jayden Daniels, JJ McCarthy, Bo Nix, and Michael Penix Jr, and Quinn Ewers are some others who are enjoying some love from the draftnik community.
Milton  
cosmicj : 11/13/2023 9:30 am : link
Can you talk about your sources for this ranking? I like how it’s not quantified and tries to arrive at who the real elite prospects are.

Also, this Harbaugh game planning is really messing up the McCarthy scouting and introducing a big wild card into the 1st rd.
This needs a lot of work  
nygiantfan : 11/13/2023 9:33 am : link
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So you take  
lecky : 11/13/2023 9:34 am : link
Marvin Harrison Jr with your first pick because then we would at least have one player that would start on either Dallas or Philadelphia. Play your sucky football for 2 more years, draft Arch Manning and hopefully history repeats itself and you can get 10 years of Manning/Harrison football Generation 2.
Seems dated  
UConn4523 : 11/13/2023 9:38 am : link
how is Daniels not even “red”? He’s going to be in the convo for #1 overall IMO.
I know Fashanu is the least sexy of choices...  
Milton : 11/13/2023 9:41 am : link
But talk about a good, young OL! (picture Thomas Ezeudu JMS Neal and Fashanu (from left to right) with McKethan in reserve and possibly bringing back Bredeson and Pugh for backup money).

The Giants could potentially trade back into the first round round (which would likely mean giving up two of their three Day 2 picks and their 2025 first round pick) to hopefully nab the second tier QB of their choice.
RE: Seems dated  
Milton : 11/13/2023 9:45 am : link
In comment 16286985 UConn4523 said:
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how is Daniels not even “red”? He’s going to be in the convo for #1 overall IMO.
He's part of the etc etc etc in the red category. I didn't list all the names but historically speaking there are 18-24 prospects that get 1st round grades from the NFL scouts (obviously it varies from team to team) and I consider any prospect that gets a 1st round grade to be at the very least a red chip prospect (by my definition of red chip).
There is a long, long, long way to go  
Dnew15 : 11/13/2023 9:48 am : link
on how this draft is going to shape up.

We haven't even gotten into the nit-picking season on these guys yet.
RE: There is a long, long, long way to go  
gersh : 11/13/2023 9:49 am : link
In comment 16287033 Dnew15 said:
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on how this draft is going to shape up.

We haven't even gotten into the nit-picking season on these guys yet.

Yes, but what else you want to talk about....
Bowers is a super blue, IMO  
Anakim : 11/13/2023 9:52 am : link
He's not the same athletic freak that Kyle Pitts was, but he's not too far off...and he's been more productive (when healthy, at least).

Otherwise, I think you categorized it well.
RE: RE: There is a long, long, long way to go  
Dnew15 : 11/13/2023 9:53 am : link
In comment 16287038 gersh said:
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In comment 16287033 Dnew15 said:


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on how this draft is going to shape up.

We haven't even gotten into the nit-picking season on these guys yet.


Yes, but what else you want to talk about....


Ugh.

You're so right.

Let the nit-picking begin.
RE: Milton  
Milton : 11/13/2023 9:56 am : link
In comment 16286965 cosmicj said:
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Can you talk about your sources for this ranking?
Great Blue North, Kiper, DraftTek, CBS Sports Prospect Rankings and articles I've come across over the past couple months.
Milton  
NJBlueTuna : 11/13/2023 10:09 am : link
I stopped reading your post once I saw Jayden Daniels was not in the super blue or blue categories.
RE: So you take  
Rich_Houston_1971 : 11/13/2023 10:16 am : link
In comment 16286975 lecky said:
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Marvin Harrison Jr with your first pick because then we would at least have one player that would start on either Dallas or Philadelphia. Play your sucky football for 2 more years, draft Arch Manning and hopefully history repeats itself and you can get 10 years of Manning/Harrison football Generation 2.


FYI, I have been saying Arch Manning will be next real giants QB two years ago. I agree, drafting Marvin Harrison will probably give us two Bilitnekoff winners at the WR1 and WR2 positions that's if marvin wins the award which is likely.
Here are three mock drafts from before the weekend...  
Milton : 11/13/2023 10:19 am : link
From Ryan Wilson...
1. QB Williams
2. WR Harrison
3. QB Maye
4. OL Fashanu
5. ER Verse
6. CB Newton
7. OL Alt
8. ER Turner
9. ER Egbuka (Giants)
10 ER Latham


Trapasso...
1. QB Williams
2. QB Maye
3. WR Harrison
4. QB Nix (Giants)
5. Ol Fashanu
6. CB Newton
7. OL Fuaga
8. WR Odunze
9. QB McCarthy
10.OL Alt

Edwards...
1. QBWilliams
2. QB Maye
3. WR Harrison
4. ER Turner (Giants)
5. TE Bowers
6. OL Fashanu
7. OL Alt
8. QB McCarthy
9. ER Verse
10.ER Latham

All three in total (from CBS Sports)... - ( New Window )
RE: Milton  
Milton : 11/13/2023 10:21 am : link
In comment 16287096 NJBlueTuna said:
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I stopped reading your post once I saw Jayden Daniels was not in the super blue or blue categories.
It's not about me, it's about the consensus among draftniks. It's a fluid situation that will surely change but this is where we are right now (or before this past weekend).
RE: RE: Milton  
NJBlueTuna : 11/13/2023 11:25 am : link
In comment 16287134 Milton said:
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In comment 16287096 NJBlueTuna said:


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I stopped reading your post once I saw Jayden Daniels was not in the super blue or blue categories.

It's not about me, it's about the consensus among draftniks. It's a fluid situation that will surely change but this is where we are right now (or before this past weekend).


With all due respect, you posted it as your opinion of the entire draftnik community. Unless you are an AI entity capable of computational models assimilating all meta data.

Jayden Daniels is a legit conversation to be the #1 pick of the draft…..
Is it time to start discussing arm length and hand size yet?  
PatersonPlank : 11/13/2023 11:27 am : link
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Fashanu...  
bw in dc : 11/13/2023 11:54 am : link
is not a blue chip prospect anymore. I'm stunned these draft projectors continue to rate him this highly.

Based on how he's played this year, I would not touch him in the first round. And I'm a Penn State fan.

He needs to be in the "Most Likely to Bust" category.

Trade down  
x meadowlander : 11/13/2023 12:15 pm : link
Build OL.
RE: RE: RE: Milton  
Milton : 11/13/2023 12:27 pm : link
In comment 16287273 NJBlueTuna said:
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With all due respect, you posted it as your opinion of the entire draftnik community. Unless you are an AI entity capable of computational models assimilating all meta data.
Wait, you mean you didn't know I was an AI entity capable of computational models assimilating all meta data? You must be new to BBI. Just ask anyone, my CPU is a neural net processor, a learning computer.
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