NGT: Houston Texans

The same thing happened in year 2 for the Bengals with Burrow. If you hit on a QB, everything changes

They have one that makes the whole team believe they can win any game. It’s a trickle down effect we haven’t had since Eli. I truly believe that

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Stroud has looked great
Their OL is blocking better despite injuries.
Tank Dell is an animal.
Schultz is just a very reliable TE

And Demaco Ryans and Bobby Slowick should be candidates for COY of the year and assistant coach of the year.

The 49ers are producing great offensive minds.

a good QB raises the performance level of the OL and WR more than an good OL and good WRs can raise the performance of an average/below average QB

Period.

The kid has had a few great games, the legue will get a book on him, if he is lights out for the rest of the year, fine, but understand, no one get revved up to play that team

They found their franchise QB

In comment 16287128 Sy'56 said:

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Period.

Pin this.

Cut all the bullshit and get the QB.

it's all in the QB/coach combo. The rest is just cherry on top

In comment 16287129 HewlettGiant said:

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The kid has had a few great games, the legue will get a book on him, if he is lights out for the rest of the year, fine, but understand, no one get revved up to play that team

Yes, you're right. The Bengals just simply weren't hyped up enought.

Jesus.

If you can't see that Stroud is playing MVP-level football (not ROY... MVP), then you are have no idea what you are watching.

the best QB last draft. Thought he looked very good in college.

Cannot have a QB that stands there holding the ball while the walls crash in around him.

The Shanahan scheme is crushing people. And personally I think its because of defenses rushing to adjust to Mahomes and becoming shell, which is extremely vulnerable to what Shanahan does. The NFL ebbs and flows like this.

But there is no rationale conversation to be had in that cesspool of negativity.

Basically I was told how much better their O-Line is than the Giants (pssst they've been trash).

How much better their WR's are than the Giants... I'd never heard of Noah Brown and Tank Dell before this year.

How much better their run game is than the Giants (pssst it's been shit, they had a nice game yesterday). Texans run game has been absolute piss poor this year.

Oh yeah. CJ Stroud. There's your answer.

How about the Vikings? We beat them in the playoffs last year but yet they can lose their QB, Justin Jefferson, Dalvin Cook... Trade for a guy that doesn't know the offense and win 2 straight.

But but but. Our O-Line. Our QB. So fucking tired of the excuses for this team being a train wreck, year in and year out.

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On the Giants there's a much better chance that the QB gets killed than the coach.

on here pre-draft said Stroud would not be good in the NFL and his college success was a product of the talent on his team.

Now...everyone knew Stroud would be great...

of course they did.

it's like how when you read posts now about the 2018 draft everyone knew Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, would all be busts.

Why do you people feel the need to turn BBI into a den of lies?

Looks like the Houston Texans are the big winners so far of the 2023 Draft:

The Athletic: NFL Midseason All-Rookie Team

Houston Texans C.J. Stroud QB
Houston Texans Jarrett Patterson OL
Houston Texans Will Anderson, Jr. EDGE
Houston Texans Henry To'oTo'o LB

The Athletic: NFL Midseason All-Rookie Team - ( New Window )

Tank Dell, third round, has been for them what Wan'Dale was hoped to be for NYG. Is that all because of the QB? I doubt it, but we will perhaps find out.

Texans drafted two centers, one in the second round, one in the sixth. The sixth round pick, Jarrett Patterson, has been the 2023 starter, and has been pretty good; he grades betteer than Schmitz. The second round pick, Juice Scruggs, has been injured, but is ready to return, if he can win the job.

An indictment of the S2 Cognition Test?

I'll admit, that threw me for a loop too. A bunch of schools now are doing away with standardized tests as well. This offseason is going to define Schoen's tenure here, for better, or for worse. I can't wait!

It’s absolutely the QB. They nailed the stroud pick. His efficiency and decision making has been off the charts. His deep ball passing is elite.

Tank Dell has been playmaking WR for Stroud as a 3rd round rookie. Also, don’t overlook getting a really good veteran TE like Dalton Schultz in FA. He’s given the rookie QB a nice security blanket. They coupled another solid vet in Singletary with a kid they drafted last year in Pierce (currently hurt) at RB.

They also added Anderson with 3rd overall pick to help D and credit to Ryans getting his team to buy in.

As far as rebuilds go, it’s hard to find a better formula than that. Kudos to them.

In comment 16287160 pjcas18 said:

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on here pre-draft said Stroud would not be good in the NFL and his college success was a product of the talent on his team. Now...everyone knew Stroud would be great... of course they did. it's like how when you read posts now about the 2018 draft everyone knew Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, would all be busts. Why do you people feel the need to turn BBI into a den of lies?

Clearly Chicago didn't see it with Stroud. Same with Carolina. So what made Houston see it? What was different about their process?

Yes, it is hard to find a franchise QB - but my point was that getting the right QB can change things VERY quickly

In comment 16287164 M.S. said:

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Looks like the Houston Texans are the big winners so far of the 2023 Draft: The Athletic: NFL Midseason All-Rookie Team Houston Texans C.J. Stroud QB Houston Texans Jarrett Patterson OL Houston Texans Will Anderson, Jr. EDGE Houston Texans Henry To'oTo'o LB The Athletic: NFL Midseason All-Rookie Team - ( New Window )

I didn't see your post because I was typing mine. Some additional comments:

Tank Dell is an obvious addition to the 2023 draft useful list; good stats and PFF grade.

Henry To' has a bad PFF grade, but he's been out there.

In comment 16287189 shyster said:

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In comment 16287164 M.S. said: Quote: Looks like the Houston Texans are the big winners so far of the 2023 Draft: The Athletic: NFL Midseason All-Rookie Team Houston Texans C.J. Stroud QB Houston Texans Jarrett Patterson OL Houston Texans Will Anderson, Jr. EDGE Houston Texans Henry To'oTo'o LB The Athletic: NFL Midseason All-Rookie Team - ( New Window ) I didn't see your post because I was typing mine. Some additional comments: Tank Dell is an obvious addition to the 2023 draft useful list; good stats and PFF grade. Henry To' has a bad PFF grade, but he's been out there.

Speaking of Tank Dell, I was jonesing for this guy in the Draft. Just can't ignore what this young man did in college, regardless of size!

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But also the perils of navigating the top of the draft in terms of scouting and finding the right guy.

Sometimes these franchises save you from the bad decisions you might make. Point is, Bryce Young was considered the guy last year and if Carolina takes Stroud do we think the Texans are not taking Young?

Of course having the top pick puts it squarely on your shoulders but beyond that you need to know who that guy is and if/when you need to trade up to make sure you have him.

A good one raises the level of the whole team.

So far Stroud has been better out of the gate by a wide margin over Young. However, it is way too early to conclude that taking Young was a mistake.

Many around here have given Jones a pass on his first five years as "too early to say", but want to conclude on Young before a single full season.

In comment 16287188 BigBlue7 said:

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In comment 16287160 pjcas18 said: Quote: on here pre-draft said Stroud would not be good in the NFL and his college success was a product of the talent on his team. Now...everyone knew Stroud would be great... of course they did. it's like how when you read posts now about the 2018 draft everyone knew Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, would all be busts. Why do you people feel the need to turn BBI into a den of lies? Clearly Chicago didn't see it with Stroud. Same with Carolina. So what made Houston see it? What was different about their process? Yes, it is hard to find a franchise QB - but my point was that getting the right QB can change things VERY quickly

The Georgia game?

The biggest knock on Stroud was that the previous OSU QBs were Fields and Haskins. Totally unfair to knock Stroud because those guys didn't pan out.

which is even more beneficial for them as Ryan’s can focus on the defense.

It’s a nice reminder that 1 player can change everything so the doom and gloom for eternity people can take a hike.

It is silly, but we already have people posting here that you can't take a QB from USC because of Matt Leinert and Mark Sanchez.

Stroud is a perfect example of why that thinking is completely illogical.

Is playing out of his mind without a doubt. How come we aren't talking about the coaching and scheme change when we mention the Texans though?

him at #1 overall. Looks like the Texans are on target. They've found their QB AND their HC. Ryans is fantastic. Look out for them in a couple of years to be SB contenders.

it absolutely matters to hit on the QB, but the head coach is also important. DeMeco Ryans has done a good job with that team.

is to land a top QB

and it seems the Texans, as dysfunctional an organization as anyone have done that.

In comment 16287160 pjcas18 said:

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on here pre-draft said Stroud would not be good in the NFL and his college success was a product of the talent on his team. Now...everyone knew Stroud would be great... of course they did. it's like how when you read posts now about the 2018 draft everyone knew Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, would all be busts. Why do you people feel the need to turn BBI into a den of lies?

I knew Darnold was going to be a bust... I had seen so much of him. Of course on the flip side I thought Rosen was going to be amazing so completely wrong there. Wanted nothing to do with Mayfield.

In comment 16287498 Amtoft said:

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In comment 16287160 pjcas18 said: Quote: on here pre-draft said Stroud would not be good in the NFL and his college success was a product of the talent on his team. Now...everyone knew Stroud would be great... of course they did. it's like how when you read posts now about the 2018 draft everyone knew Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, would all be busts. Why do you people feel the need to turn BBI into a den of lies? I knew Darnold was going to be a bust... I had seen so much of him. Of course on the flip side I thought Rosen was going to be amazing so completely wrong there. Wanted nothing to do with Mayfield.

Darnold was reckless and dumb, how was it hard to see he wasn't going to be good?

In comment 16287160 pjcas18 said:

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on here pre-draft said Stroud would not be good in the NFL and his college success was a product of the talent on his team. Now...everyone knew Stroud would be great... of course they did. it's like how when you read posts now about the 2018 draft everyone knew Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, would all be busts. Why do you people feel the need to turn BBI into a den of lies?

Me: https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=634297&show_all=1#16097041

Now Pj...I'll also add that in my dynasty fantasy league, needing a QB desperately, I had my choice of all the rookie QBs, and I chose Stroud over Young. I'm feeling pretty great about it.

In terms of 2018, it was a mixed bag for me. I didn't love Mayfield, I really liked Darnold, I was adamant that Rosen would be a bust (I remember going back and forth with Milton about it), and I loved Josh Allen who I felt was the closest thing in the draft to Elway, but felt he would need more development time than Darnold, who was more pro ready in my estimation. I was over the moon happy with drafting Saquon.

I'm pretty sure I talked about how I would be happy with a trade back, netting more picks, and drafting Allen. I really, really liked Allen. Again, had him behind Darnold with how I ranked them. And I hated Lamar, thought he wasn't a real QB. I'm going to find some 2018 pre-draft stuff so we can see who really liked who, lol.

In comment 16287160 pjcas18 said:

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on here pre-draft said Stroud would not be good in the NFL and his college success was a product of the talent on his team. Now...everyone knew Stroud would be great... of course they did. it's like how when you read posts now about the 2018 draft everyone knew Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, would all be busts. Why do you people feel the need to turn BBI into a den of lies?

Now, in that same thread I linked, Section125 did say that he "liked Stroud over Young."

I was doing my study: https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=565522&show_all=1#13854578

Stroud looks amazing. I don't watch much CFB, but I find these guys so hard to analyze given how wide open their wide receivers are.

I am really surprised at how bad Bryce Young looks.

https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=565597&thread_page=2
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right. Which one?

In comment 16287605 allstarjim said:

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https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=565597&thread_page=2 .

lol, the closest thing to a consensus on there is people love Rosen. And he was the first one out of the NFL entirely.

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Period.

THIS

Fire the OL coach or figure out what's wrong their players.

In comment 16287593 BrettNYG10 said:

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Stroud looks amazing. I don't watch much CFB, but I find these guys so hard to analyze given how wide open their wide receivers are. I am really surprised at how bad Bryce Young looks.

He looks tiny. Smaller than Drew Brees without the arm.

In comment 16287613 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 16287605 allstarjim said: Quote: https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=565597&thread_page=2 . lol, the closest thing to a consensus on there is people love Rosen. And he was the first one out of the NFL entirely.

You will get no argument from me. You're right, a lot of people on BBI loved Rosen. I was just defending Section125 a little and talking about how I viewed them, and I hated Rosen. I was very vocal about being anti-Rosen.

In comment 16287593 BrettNYG10 said:

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Stroud looks amazing. I don't watch much CFB, but I find these guys so hard to analyze given how wide open their wide receivers are. I am really surprised at how bad Bryce Young looks.

He's like 5'9 with an awful supporting cast ofc he looks awful. Stroud was clearly the better nfl qb.

I wasn't unhappy with saquon tho as he seemed to have no bust potential

wasn't so much to be a dick and call out posters who put themselves out there with an opinion that turned out to be wrong (in many cases). My point was to highlight that so much is riding on a decision that the answer is not usually simple.

Obviously the people making the decisions in real life are paid professionals, but even for them there is a wide range of outcomes.