I am sure this was discussed, and obviously this doesn't matter. this play was highly unlikely to change the outcome of the game, but....
it was 7-0, Flott had just picked off Dak and the Giants were on the doorstep of tying the game.
To that point the Giants could not run effectively Barkley's runs were:
1 yard
0 yards
1 yard
-3 yards
3 yards (direct snap)
2 yards (direct snap)
so we al saw the outcome of the play. 4th and 2 from the DAL 4, handoff (shotgun formation) from DeVito to Barkley, no gain.
My question as a non X and O's person is who thought that was a good play call? Not even second guessing, but is that technically sound for that down and distance given the previous results?
How does an OC say, I know what to call and it's this. The play that had not netted positive yardage through 5 carries already.
Did the press ask Daboll about it?
They made sure to show DeVito's dad in the stands who seemed to mouth "that's the 4th and 2 play call?"
Sometimes it seems like we feel that these guys are smarter than they really are. Going for it was the right call IMO, but if that's your play call, I would like an explanation why that was the best one.
That's all.
It wouldn’t have made a difference, but just as players should be held accountable, so should coaches. That showed no confidence in your offense.
This.
If you are willing to go for it on 4th at 2 vs a good fast dline that was mirroring Barkley, why not a roll out pass or a quick out. The obvious play was run Barkley, so why do it. DeVito almost had Cager earlier in the series - he just didn't get enough air under it.
Kafka is a just a brutally bad OC. He has little imagination it seems.
If they crash down on Barkley his read is to keep it, no?
Not defending anyone or even saying I’m right. That’s what I thought I saw
Kafka is part of the problem, not part of any solution, he had never called plays before he came to the Giants, and it shows!
Just an awful series of play calling, embarrassing as hell!
That's all.
What kinda of derogatory bullshit is this. His dad's name is Tom btw.
Because he is of Italian decent he is "Guido"
Go fuck yourself.
if you are going to go for it there, it is because you are aggressively trying to score tds. not play things conservative.
if you are going to play things conservative, take the 3 points.
that play call should have been almost anything else, wildcat, end around like the lamb play but to wandale, even a devito run or option play. a jump ball to hodgins or some kind of pick play. literally anything other than a run at the heart of the defense with an OL that could get an inch of movement.
there was a major contradiction in choosing to aggressively go for it but then calling the most conservative/predictable possible play.
Also it was to the right which seems to be the weaker side of our line. No deception. Here we come - stop us! Well they did.
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makes for good TV.
That's all.
What kinda of derogatory bullshit is this. His dad's name is Tom btw.
Because he is of Italian decent he is "Guido"
Go fuck yourself.
Nope- because he looks like a guido from Jersey with the jewelry.
I am Italian/American as well. That said- go fuck your mother.
Be imaginative. You're going to lose anyway lol but at least try.
It's almost like they don't want to show their playbook and save it for next year.
I am pretty sure he was meant to keep it, but I agree even that was a pretty shitty call.
Here is the thing... if it works it is a good call and if it doesn't then it was a dumb call. Look at the Lions game. It was 4th and 5 and they RAN the ball. I say it again 4th and 5 and they RAN THE DAMN BALL. It worked he barely got the first down and the ref said brilliant call to run it there. If he would have failed it would have been what was he thinking!! You can't run on 4th and 5!!
If it works it is brilliant.. if it doesn't it was stupid.
I would have preferred they spread the field and had the 3rd and long group in the lineup. It would have loosened up the defense a bit rather than having so many bodies in the box.
Terrible, predictable call. If your not gonna be creative be lame a nd kick it. We don't have the horses to line up and beat you when you know its coming.
I am hoping that there was a check that should have been called based on the way the D lined up that Devito missed because if our offensive HC and OC dialed that up there is no light ant the end of the tunnel
No offensive line means an adventure and limited plays that can be run.
Fix the line
They NEVER have a creative play at the right time. Good play callers set things up, and save their knockout blows for critical points in the game.
I've seen none of that this year, at any critical point in any game. Zero.
Look at Andy Reid - the dude seems to have an endless boat of imaginative plays at the perfect time - and they are always executed perfectly too. That's a good offensive coach.
I remember some of the Brady early-mid years in NE the line was mostly a disaster and Charlue Weis (who also probably had the benefit of knowing what the D was doing) would call quick slants, HB screens, WR screens, anything quick to keep the pass rush off balance and not rely on a poor run blocking OL. Some media would say "this is basically the Patriots version of a running game". I remember a game vs the Steelers I don't think they ran the ball twice the first half and won the game. Why? because they weren't good at running the ball. Stop putting your team in a position to fail.
Why don't the Giants ever do that? You know don't run into the line twice and create 3rd and long, but run some quick slants on early downs, if the offense has a strength its Barkley, Robinson, Slayton, Bellinger, probably Hyatt (who really knows), but running into the teeth of the defense with OL who do not excel at run blocking when you have done nothing to establish the threat of a pass seems destined to fail.
Open handoff, no misdirection.
Too easy for the D.
1) Playaction with the intent to throw it in the end zone. I know it's Devito, but it is the last thing Dallas expected.
2) Playaction with Barkley going outside and Devito rolling with it the opposite (likely weak) side. Option to pass, but most likely looking to run it in.
3) Some creative means of getting either Robinson or Hyatt a rush there, with some misdirection.
Basically, I would have preferred anything other than another run by Barkley right into the middle of the line.
If they crash down on Barkley his read is to keep it, no?
Not defending anyone or even saying I’m right. That’s what I thought I saw
I remember some of the Brady early-mid years in NE the line was mostly a disaster and Charlue Weis (who also probably had the benefit of knowing what the D was doing) would call quick slants, HB screens, WR screens, anything quick to keep the pass rush off balance and not rely on a poor run blocking OL. Some media would say "this is basically the Patriots version of a running game". I remember a game vs the Steelers I don't think they ran the ball twice the first half and won the game. Why? because they weren't good at running the ball. Stop putting your team in a position to fail.
Why don't the Giants ever do that? You know don't run into the line twice and create 3rd and long, but run some quick slants on early downs, if the offense has a strength its Barkley, Robinson, Slayton, Bellinger, probably Hyatt (who really knows), but running into the teeth of the defense with OL who do not excel at run blocking when you have done nothing to establish the threat of a pass seems destined to fail.
I wanted the FG but what does it matter now ? You can say Kafka could have come up with something better , but what exactly ? Wildcat ? Trick double reverse pass -run option to Bellinger ? No shot to do anything because the Giants offensive line is so terrible you can’t get time to run or pass .