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NYG Snap Counts and Analysis by Duggan

Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/13/2023 12:04 pm


Dan Duggan @DDuggan21

Giants' offensive snap counts from yesterday:

• Saquon had a season-low 14 touches. Would have been wrong to overwork him in such a lopsided game, especially with his ankle continuing to be an issue.

• It's easy to understand the WR frustration. The passing offense basically consisted of 5-yard passes (DeVito had a 3.2 YPA). Shepard didn't play until the fourth quarter, scoring the garbage-time TD in the final minute. Hyatt left with a concussion after the deep interception on his lone target late in the third quarter.

• Practice squad elevation Tyree Jackson was the second TE in 12 personnel. Coaches clearly seen enough of Cager as a blocker.

• Another game where the starting OL didn't play every snap, although fortunately Thomas did return (and was wisely pulled for the final drive). Putting on
@ProFootballDoc
's hat: My guess is that he sprained his MCL because of the way his knee caved in and that he was able to return.

Everyone has said for years that the QB couldn't be evaluated because of the OL. I'd say the opposite is true right now. Tough to judge the OL when the defense is geared up to stop the run and then can pin their ears back to rush a QB with poor pocket presence when the game gets out of hand.



Dan Duggan @DDuggan21

Giants' defensive snap counts from yesterday:

• Really nothing to say about the DL. No impact plays from that group.

• Thibodeaux was playing just about every snap, as usual, before leaving with a concussion at halftime. Another quiet game from him, although he did draw a hold in the red zone (and then didn't get a flag when he appeared to be held two plays later). The Giants don't have a sack in four games against Dallas in the past two seasons.

Ojulari was used almost exclusively as a pass-rush specialist, but he did make a nice play to stop the Cowboys on fourth-and-goal from the 2 on their opening drive. Ward looked painfully slow on the 21-yard pitch earlier in that drive. Basham has been a non-factor.

• Okereke continues his ironman streak. McFadden had a rough game after a really strong stretch. You're seeing why Simmons was available for a seventh-round pick.

• The young corners got taken to school by Dallas' experienced WRs. The stats are appalling: Lamb 11-151-1, Cooks 9-173-1, Gallup 2-70-1. That's more yards than Cooks had in the first seven games of the season. Gallup had 78 yards in the previous four games combined.

Looks like Banks is hitting the rookie wall. And he left early with another injury (ankle). McCloud got the start in Adoree's place and showed why he's better suited for a super sub role.

Hawkins mixed in for McCloud in sub packages early in the game. Then when he took over for Banks he gave up a 41-yard TD to Gallup. He was then benched and Holmes, who had already been inserted at nickel, shifted outside. Dak immediately picked on Holmes, hitting Cooks for a 34-yard gain on his first snap.

Flott had what could have been a big interception (offense came away with 0 points), but otherwise had a rough day before leaving with a shoulder injury in the second quarter.

• McKinney also continued his ironman streak. McCain got rare D snaps, taking over as the nickel when Holmes kicked outside. McCain dropped an interception and got toasted by Lamb for a 12-yard TD.
oof,  
section125 : 11/13/2023 12:08 pm : link
just all around bad.
Man...  
Dnew15 : 11/13/2023 12:14 pm : link
what happened to Isaiah Hodgins???

With Jackson out, Hawkins still less than 50% snaps...  
sb from NYT Forum : 11/13/2023 12:38 pm : link
...It sure looks like Wink still doesn't have faith in him, which really makes me wonder what the heck he was doing starting in those first 3 games in the first place.
Am I misreading this or is he  
Thunderstruck27 : 11/13/2023 12:54 pm : link
letting the Oline off the hook?
RE: Man...  
jvm52106 : 11/13/2023 1:04 pm : link
In comment 16287378 Dnew15 said:
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what happened to Isaiah Hodgins???


He played over his head last year and we were more varied- though when we lost games later in the season it was obvious we didn't have the horses of other teams.

Hodgins is a nice 3 or 4, not a 1 or 2
RE: Am I misreading this or is he  
speedywheels : 11/13/2023 1:06 pm : link
In comment 16287470 Thunderstruck27 said:
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letting the Oline off the hook?


That's exactly what he's doing. Which is ridiculous...
How is Hawkins benched  
Dankbeerman : 11/13/2023 1:14 pm : link
after one play where he wasn't beaten terribly and yet every other CB was being burned repeatedly. Let him take his lumps we know what bobby McCain and Holmes can do.
I thought Thibs was being held all game long.  
Section331 : 11/13/2023 1:34 pm : link
Ward was awful, small (for a 3-4 DE) and slow is not a good combo.
didn't get a flag when he appeared to be held two plays later  
Gman11 : 11/13/2023 2:44 pm : link
He wasn't held on that play. He flailed his arms to try to get a call because he got the call two plays earlier on a legitimate hold. It's similar to a soccer player flopping then grabbing his shin like it's broken in 3 places. Thibs has been a complete non-factor two games in a row just like the rest of the defense.
RE: didn't get a flag when he appeared to be held two plays later  
Bill in UT : 11/13/2023 2:54 pm : link
In comment 16287632 Gman11 said:
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He wasn't held on that play. He flailed his arms to try to get a call because he got the call two plays earlier on a legitimate hold. It's similar to a soccer player flopping then grabbing his shin like it's broken in 3 places. Thibs has been a complete non-factor two games in a row just like the rest of the defense.


He had one GREAT game against Wash and has been invisible since. IIRC, both of the Wash OT's were second team players. So maybe that game was more of a one-off against scrubs than a true turning of the corner.
RE: didn't get a flag when he appeared to be held two plays later  
section125 : 11/13/2023 2:57 pm : link
In comment 16287632 Gman11 said:
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He wasn't held on that play. He flailed his arms to try to get a call because he got the call two plays earlier on a legitimate hold. It's similar to a soccer player flopping then grabbing his shin like it's broken in 3 places. Thibs has been a complete non-factor two games in a row just like the rest of the defense.


Are you blind? He was grabbed across the shoulder pads and easily would have had Dak at the LoS. He was held worse on that play then on the one that the flag was thrown. Cripes even Olsen was laughing at the missed call.
RE: RE: didn't get a flag when he appeared to be held two plays later  
speedywheels : 11/13/2023 2:58 pm : link
In comment 16287641 Bill in UT said:
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In comment 16287632 Gman11 said:


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He wasn't held on that play. He flailed his arms to try to get a call because he got the call two plays earlier on a legitimate hold. It's similar to a soccer player flopping then grabbing his shin like it's broken in 3 places. Thibs has been a complete non-factor two games in a row just like the rest of the defense.



He had one GREAT game against Wash and has been invisible since. IIRC, both of the Wash OT's were second team players. So maybe that game was more of a one-off against scrubs than a true turning of the corner.


You didn't think he had a great game vs NYJ?
RE: RE: didn't get a flag when he appeared to be held two plays later  
section125 : 11/13/2023 3:01 pm : link
In comment 16287647 section125 said:
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In comment 16287632 Gman11 said:


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He wasn't held on that play. He flailed his arms to try to get a call because he got the call two plays earlier on a legitimate hold. It's similar to a soccer player flopping then grabbing his shin like it's broken in 3 places. Thibs has been a complete non-factor two games in a row just like the rest of the defense.



Are you blind? He was grabbed across the shoulder pads and easily would have had Dak at the LoS. He was held worse on that play then on the one that the flag was thrown. Cripes even Olsen was laughing at the missed call.


Here it is as a DAk Highlight. This isn't even the good angle where you can see the OT's hand and arm across the chest and shoulder pads.
Dak's TD - KT hold - ( New Window )
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