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Vacchiano: Sources say Giants still believe in Jones

Sean : 11/13/2023 4:52 pm
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But they are a long way away from any final decision, and the source acknowledged it might be premature for them to completely give up on Jones after watching him in just six starts this season — including three without running back Saquon Barkley, four without left tackle Andrew Thomas, and behind a disastrous offensive line that got him sacked a ridiculous 30 times.

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Nothing to see here  
OBJ_AllDay : 11/13/2023 4:53 pm : link
The pick will be qb. Its almost virtually guaranteed.
oh boy  
46and2Blue : 11/13/2023 4:54 pm : link
.....
.  
Jints in Carolina : 11/13/2023 4:54 pm : link
get your kleenex  
dancing blue bear : 11/13/2023 4:55 pm : link
i'll get my popcorn
RE: .  
BigBlueShock : 11/13/2023 4:56 pm : link
In comment 16287812 Jints in Carolina said:
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Haha! So perfect
Ah the trial balloons  
ajr2456 : 11/13/2023 4:56 pm : link
Coming out.
So we have a report that Giants will take a QB  
nygiants16 : 11/13/2023 4:56 pm : link
if the one they like is there...

and now we hVe this click bait article which basically states they believe in Jones but may not when thebtime comes to make a decision, lol, the media sees blood in the water and gullible Giants fans will eat it up
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/13/2023 4:57 pm : link
I don’t buy this for a second. Look at Schoen’s travel schedule. But if it is true, Mara influenced…in which case we’re fucked.
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Go Terps : 11/13/2023 4:57 pm : link
I've have been one of DJ's  
Now Mike in MD : 11/13/2023 4:58 pm : link
biggest supporters but even I'm ready to move on for two reasons.

One, I have lost confidence in his ability to stay healthy, and I just have this feeling that he his one more neck injury aware from having tom retire.

Two, unlike previous years, we are going to be in a position to draft a real difference maker at QB. My preference is Daniels, but I think any of Daniels, Maye or Williams would be that franchise altering type of QB. While I always thought DJ could be "good enough," I acknowledged that for the Giants to win a SB with DJ, there would have to be a lot of pieces in place. I think any of the top three QBs are the type of talents who could overcome and coverup deficiencies in other arears of the team.
Johnny Boy,  
Silver Spoon : 11/13/2023 4:58 pm : link
puppet master extraordinaire.
if they are picking  
46and2Blue : 11/13/2023 4:58 pm : link
2nd ...I don't care what Ralph says...Its a QB...media needs something to write about in a horror show of a season
RE: Ah the trial balloons  
JonC : 11/13/2023 4:59 pm : link
In comment 16287818 ajr2456 said:
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Coming out.


Yessir, like clockwork.
There's belief  
Blueworm : 11/13/2023 4:59 pm : link
and there's health.
Of course they'll say that publicly  
logman : 11/13/2023 5:00 pm : link
...
RE: get your kleenex  
BigBlueShock : 11/13/2023 5:00 pm : link
In comment 16287815 dancing blue bear said:
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i'll get my popcorn

I wouldn’t celebrate too much. Random, unknown “Sources” are lovely and all but we will find out how they feel on draft day. What do you expect them to say right now? “Yeah, he sucks, we are going to move on”.

I will say though, if you and all the other clamoring to roll with Jones once again get your way, Daboll and Schoen will very likely be out of jobs after next season. They’d have to be out of their damned minds to stake their careers to Daniel Jones at this point.
BBS.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/13/2023 5:02 pm : link
Imagine willing to risk your job for Daniel Fucking Jones. Just wow.
As others have said  
BeckShepEli : 11/13/2023 5:02 pm : link
don't overreact to a classic Ralph Tweet. They are taking a QB.
When asked to provide a comment on the story, GM Joe Schoen  
ThomasG : 11/13/2023 5:02 pm : link
was quoted as saying "Sure we believe in Jones. Now please excuse me, I have to get a airline ticket to Greenville, SC for this weekend's game between UNC and Clemson."


I do think  
TommyWiseau : 11/13/2023 5:03 pm : link
Jones, with a good Oline would be a top 15 QB in the NFL. Issue is his health. He cannot get through a full season and that Neck scares me more then his knee
I think fans would burn the stadium down,  
Simms11 : 11/13/2023 5:04 pm : link
if they were in position to grab a franchise QB, and didn’t! But what else are the Giants supposed to say at this point, they f’d up giving Jones that contract and don’t believe he’s the guy now?!
RE: I do think  
46and2Blue : 11/13/2023 5:05 pm : link
In comment 16287836 TommyWiseau said:
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Jones, with a good Oline would be a top 15 QB in the NFL. Issue is his health. He cannot get through a full season and that Neck scares me more then his knee


I used to think that...but I'm not sure with the best Oline if he will ever be good, might just be too late for him.
RE: Ah the trial balloons  
widmerseyebrow : 11/13/2023 5:05 pm : link
In comment 16287818 ajr2456 said:
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Coming out.


On one hand it's a relief that it's not real if the fans don't want it to be. On the other hand, John Mara believes this is a completely normal way to run your NFL franchise.
They can ride this storyline  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/13/2023 5:05 pm : link
even if they draft a QB high. No one believes it but hey.
Sources said  
Scooter185 : 11/13/2023 5:06 pm : link
Judge was returning for a third year too.
Translation:  
UberAlias : 11/13/2023 5:06 pm : link
We aren't willing to publicly admit we made a mistake and won't until after we draft his replacement. And even then...
Of course this is bullshit.  
robbieballs2003 : 11/13/2023 5:06 pm : link
One thing I will give this regime, they use the media to their advantage. Look at the information our beats get. It's straight bullshit. Remember after we traded William and the narrative was there was a l9t of interest in the Giants roster? What happened? Nothing. Same with this situation. We all know they are going all in on this QB class. Now they are trying to downplay all the visits they have to colleges by saying they are still in on Jones. This is an attempt to try to deflect what is really happening as to not kill us with something like a trade up to get said QB. It is also to keep Jones' value from plummeting if we decide to trade him.
RE: BBS.  
Silver Spoon : 11/13/2023 5:06 pm : link
In comment 16287833 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Imagine willing to risk your job for Daniel Fucking Jones. Just wow.


This points to the mealy mouth pussywimp owner. He will never stop his greasy fingers touching all personnel decisions.
RE: Of course they'll say that publicly  
rsjem1979 : 11/13/2023 5:06 pm : link
In comment 16287830 logman said:
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They didn't say it publicly. They floated it through one of their friends in the media. Ralph always gets this kind of stuff, less than two years ago he was citing sources in the organization as late as mid-December that Judge was going to be kept. It was only Judge's self-immolation and the collective ire of basically everyone that prevented a Judge-Abrams combo running things in 2022.
Would Jones accept the Kurt Warner role next year?  
Drewcon40 : 11/13/2023 5:08 pm : link
Please guys correct me but I thought when Jones signed, the structure of the contract was that 2023 and 2024 would be a horrible for dead cap but if the Giants decided to move on in 2025, it wouldn't be all that bad? Perhaps the old-school 1st round pick QB sitting for a year could benefit us?
Why not believe? Jones is here for at least 1 more year  
giantsFC : 11/13/2023 5:08 pm : link
while the hopeful franchise QB they draft w picks 1-5 can sit behind him.
If Jones plays amazing, Dre Brees him to another team. If Jones stinks, cut him or demote him to QB2 by mid season or following season.

For me its actually the best QB plan they have had in a decade. Especially since they boggle the Eli Manning replacement plan so poorly.
RE: Of course this is bullshit.  
widmerseyebrow : 11/13/2023 5:08 pm : link
In comment 16287848 robbieballs2003 said:
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One thing I will give this regime, they use the media to their advantage. Look at the information our beats get. It's straight bullshit. Remember after we traded William and the narrative was there was a l9t of interest in the Giants roster? What happened? Nothing. Same with this situation. We all know they are going all in on this QB class. Now they are trying to downplay all the visits they have to colleges by saying they are still in on Jones. This is an attempt to try to deflect what is really happening as to not kill us with something like a trade up to get said QB. It is also to keep Jones' value from plummeting if we decide to trade him.


I think you're giving them too much credit. The last time we saw trial balloons there was no strategic need to mask their intentions. They just didn't know what they wanted to do.
Giants  
TyreeHelmet : 11/13/2023 5:09 pm : link
Imagine this place if they passed on a top qb and announced it was Jones job next year?
Even if they did like DJ,  
Anakim : 11/13/2023 5:09 pm : link
it would be ridiculous to double-down on him given his neck injury and torn ACL.

Utterly ridiculous.
A great QB changes the landscape of the game  
Rudy5757 : 11/13/2023 5:10 pm : link
We can all agree that Jones isnt a top 5 guy and most likely never will be. I have been a big supporter of his. if you have a chance to draft a QB that is potentially a top 5 guy then you draft him and dont look back regardless of Jones' status.

Its the most important position in the game and its not close.

If they are not sold on any of the QBs they should trade out for a lot of picks. this team needs a lot of help on O.
RE: RE: Of course this is bullshit.  
robbieballs2003 : 11/13/2023 5:10 pm : link
In comment 16287855 widmerseyebrow said:
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In comment 16287848 robbieballs2003 said:


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One thing I will give this regime, they use the media to their advantage. Look at the information our beats get. It's straight bullshit. Remember after we traded William and the narrative was there was a l9t of interest in the Giants roster? What happened? Nothing. Same with this situation. We all know they are going all in on this QB class. Now they are trying to downplay all the visits they have to colleges by saying they are still in on Jones. This is an attempt to try to deflect what is really happening as to not kill us with something like a trade up to get said QB. It is also to keep Jones' value from plummeting if we decide to trade him.



I think you're giving them too much credit. The last time we saw trial balloons there was no strategic need to mask their intentions. They just didn't know what they wanted to do.


Maybe but this regime has been tight lipped about everything and what the beats get is straight garbage.
Of course they still believe in him  
BlackLight : 11/13/2023 5:11 pm : link
He's guaranteed to be on next year's roster, even if he wasn't injured. There's no downside to expressing the belief that he will somehow turn things around.
Play out the scenario  
Go Terps : 11/13/2023 5:12 pm : link
They draft Drake Maye second overall. Here are the existing conditions at that point:

1. The QB room now has a #2 overall pick and Daniel Jones at a $47M cap hit
2. Brian Daboll is probably coaching for his job. In such a scenario he might be more comfortable going with the Blue) devil he knows than the one he doesn't.
3. Cutting Jones after the '24 season results in a $22M cap hit in '25
4. They've only gotten 5 games out of Jones in a $160M contract.

This is not an ideal scenario into which to draft a quarterback. Should they do it? Absolutely.

But how easy is it to see them do the calculus and tell themselves they should use this draft to help Daniel and draft his replacement next year if necessary?

I can't stress enough how bad the decision was to pay Jones.
The strength of Jones, perhaps even his biggest strength  
moespree : 11/13/2023 5:12 pm : link
Is his ability to move and mobility. Most people, even Jones haters, don't deny that he can use his legs.

Well now he has an ACL injury that may permantently hurt that strength. So it would be odd to ignore that and hope for the best. Which is why they likely won't and this report won't mean much.
I think we will, if course, draft a QB but also that Jones will start  
BigBlueNH : 11/13/2023 5:12 pm : link
the year as the starter (assuming he is healthy). He'll be making alot of $. Wouldn't hurt the rookie to sit and learn for 1 year, like Mahomes.

If Jones stinks and/or the team is going nowhere, he can come in and get some experience later in the year. And if Jones balls out with a competent OL and leads us on a playoff run, that's a good problem to have.
RE: …  
Anakim : 11/13/2023 5:13 pm : link
In comment 16287821 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I don’t buy this for a second. Look at Schoen’s travel schedule. But if it is true, Mara influenced…in which case we’re fucked.


I could see it. Do you know how hard it was for John Mara to outside the organization to finally hire Joe Schoen? He's probably saying to himself, "well, we went outside and we're worse off than ever before."

It would be wrong, but I could see Mara thinking that.
RE: RE: Of course this is bullshit.  
UberAlias : 11/13/2023 5:13 pm : link
In comment 16287855 widmerseyebrow said:
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In comment 16287848 robbieballs2003 said:


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One thing I will give this regime, they use the media to their advantage. Look at the information our beats get. It's straight bullshit. Remember after we traded William and the narrative was there was a l9t of interest in the Giants roster? What happened? Nothing. Same with this situation. We all know they are going all in on this QB class. Now they are trying to downplay all the visits they have to colleges by saying they are still in on Jones. This is an attempt to try to deflect what is really happening as to not kill us with something like a trade up to get said QB. It is also to keep Jones' value from plummeting if we decide to trade him.



I think you're giving them too much credit. The last time we saw trial balloons there was no strategic need to mask their intentions. They just didn't know what they wanted to do.
What trial balloon are you referring to? Any GM who feels the need to pole the fans before making a decision doesn't belong in the seat to begin with.
Is it too early to extend him?  
BrettNYG10 : 11/13/2023 5:14 pm : link
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poll  
UberAlias : 11/13/2023 5:14 pm : link
that is
Haha, we could see another Cam Cameron episode  
Anakim : 11/13/2023 5:16 pm : link
"With the second pick in the 2024 NFL Draft, the New York Football Giants select Marvin Harrison Jr."


"WE WANT MAYE! WE WANT MAYE! WE WANT MAYE!"
He's on the roster next year regardless  
Metnut : 11/13/2023 5:18 pm : link
so i think it really comes down to when we pick in the draft. If we have a shot at one of the big 3 QBs, Schoen probably runs to the podium and takes our next QB. If Giants win a few down the stretch and pick 4-7 and our scouts don't think any of the next tier of QBs is going to be that good, I wouldn't be shocked to see them take a Harrison or other stud and spend the offseason just upgrading the lines and rest of the roster (and maybe add a developmental QB in there).

The only thing worse than not taking a QB in the 1st round, is taking a bust of a QB in the 1st round.
Duh  
HBart : 11/13/2023 5:18 pm : link
"There's a long way to go (until the draft)," said the team source. "But I don't think anyone has given up on him yet."

Didn't need an article to know that. It's ludicrous to think Dabs/Schoen would write off Jones after 4 shitty games under absurd circumstances. It's just as ludicrous to think they're not thinking about replacing him after this unplanned disaster -- including his injuries -- is opening that unexpected door with a top X pick.

The rest of the season will be awful. Shitty football with little to learn, at least until/unless TT is back.

At least the off-season will be interesting.
Thought,.. nothing more....Let Jones start, phase the rookie in unless  
edavisiii : 11/13/2023 5:19 pm : link
the rookie comes to camp and just blows DJ's doors away. Competition decides a lot of things in a clear cut manner. Down the road use DJ like the Saints use Taysom Hill. My friend is a division 2 official who knows a lot about FB and he said DJ is a better football player than QB. I just don't think he will ever see the field like a true franchise QB. I think he is too high strung. If the rookie beats him out sit him down and say, your not a starter, lets rework your contract or you can get cut or be traded...period!
RE: RE: get your kleenex  
dancing blue bear : 11/13/2023 5:19 pm : link
In comment 16287831 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 16287815 dancing blue bear said:


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i'll get my popcorn


I wouldn’t celebrate too much. Random, unknown “Sources” are lovely and all but we will find out how they feel on draft day. What do you expect them to say right now? “Yeah, he sucks, we are going to move on”.

I will say though, if you and all the other clamoring to roll with Jones once again get your way, Daboll and Schoen will very likely be out of jobs after next season. They’d have to be out of their damned minds to stake their careers to Daniel Jones at this point.
I'm not clamoring for anyone. I'm here for the drama. Hysterical cunts melting down.... entertain me!
RE: Duh  
Anakim : 11/13/2023 5:20 pm : link
In comment 16287882 HBart said:
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"There's a long way to go (until the draft)," said the team source. "But I don't think anyone has given up on him yet."



Translation:

"If we win a few more games, we'll be out of the Caleb/Maye sweepstakes and may be stuck with DJ, as we will not nor should not reach for a QB."
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