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We have no team identity

kelly : 11/13/2023 7:09 pm
Other than to say we stink in all phases of the game we have no identity.

Giant football used to be a strong defense. Stop the run, pressure the passer.

On offense we would run the ball, play action pass.

I no longer see an identity with this team. Can anyone tell me what our offensive identity is? I don't know what Kafka is trying to do on offense. One game we go pass happy, the next game it's give it to Barkley 35 times. We do play action when we haven't been running. We pass when we have been successful running. The problem with Kafka and the offense is we try to be a different offense every week. That doesn't work consistently in the league. I think this also has hurt the performance of Jones.

On defense, Wink talks about pressure on the QB. Well in order to pressure the QB you have to first stop the run. But how many times have we seen two down linemen. Too many times. Wink wants to play man coverage, but if you don't have those players you can't play man. Nothing wrong with drafting Banks, but Giants always prioritized pass rush over secondary. If you can generate a pass rush with just 4 your secondary automatically looks better. So what is our defensive identity? Man coverage and blitz? Well that's great if you have the players for man coverage. How did that look the last two weeks?

I would like to see the Giants reestablish their past identity. On offense power football. run the ball, play action pass. On defense stop the run, rush the passer. I think we need to draft accordingly. Build the trenches on both sides of the ball, then fill in behind them with skill position players.
They have losers  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 11/13/2023 7:12 pm : link

identity.
Too many of this rosters player identity is…  
morrison40 : 11/13/2023 7:16 pm : link
“Not Good Enough “ to excel in the NFL ! Another 30-40 % roster turnover would be no surprise.
Teams that are 2-8  
Bob from Massachusetts : 11/13/2023 7:27 pm : link
generally don't have an identity. Winning teams have identities
They are headed for #1!  
thrunthrublue : 11/13/2023 7:27 pm : link
In the draft.
I was thinking the same thing  
joe48 : 11/13/2023 8:05 pm : link
This team does nothing well except lose.
Hurt the performance of Jones?  
SirLoinOfBeef : 11/13/2023 8:44 pm : link
Really?
I don't  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/13/2023 8:49 pm : link
really understand the concept of "team identity".

I know fans say we have it when we win and don't have it when we lose.
RE: Teams that are 2-8  
HBart : 11/13/2023 8:50 pm : link
In comment 16288065 Bob from Massachusetts said:
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generally don't have an identity. Winning teams have identities

^^^^This
We’re the team  
Jersey Heel : 11/13/2023 8:52 pm : link
The gets a new coach every couple years. That’s an identity.
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I am Ninja : 11/13/2023 9:01 pm : link
Ehhh. It's not 1989 anymore. If you think you're going to play defense and stop the run and that's gonna get it done in todays NFL, you're gonna lose. A lot.


I know you weren't saying that, but the game has changed. You have to throw the ball and defend the pass. You can do that by cover/scheme or rushing the passer. But you don't have a choice as to your identity anymore.

You have to throw and throw alot. "We're gonna run Saquon down their fucking throats!!!" gets you... What we've got.
The OP hates the current staff  
SirLoinOfBeef : 11/13/2023 9:11 pm : link
Must own multiple jerseys.

Barkley, maybe Jones as well.
RE: The OP hates the current staff  
Thunderstruck27 : 11/13/2023 9:21 pm : link
In comment 16288156 SirLoinOfBeef said:
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Must own multiple jerseys.

Barkley, maybe Jones as well.


Right because "the staff" has looked great aside from Jones and Barkley.
Giants havent stopped the run  
fanoftheteam : 11/13/2023 9:22 pm : link
Or run effectively for over a decade. But I do agree id much rather win those battles. We got away from physical style of play a long long time ago. Probably 2010 being the last year.
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I am Ninja : 11/13/2023 9:34 pm : link
I meant to say "play defense and run the ball" above.
RE: RE: The OP hates the current staff  
SirLoinOfBeef : 11/13/2023 9:57 pm : link
In comment 16288164 Thunderstruck27 said:
[quote] In comment 16288156 SirLoinOfBeef said:


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Must own multiple jerseys.

Barkley, maybe Jones as well.



Right because "the staff" has looked great aside from Jones and Barkley. [/quote

Jomes has not been good.

Barkley can never be relied upon to effectively help a team win. Too many injuries.


What was it  
RetroJint : 11/13/2023 10:25 pm : link
Reliable, smart and tough? Didn’t Daboll say that ? Seems like another lifetime ago. He also said , prophetically, that this league humbles you . Indeed .
RE: _____________  
FStubbs : 11/13/2023 10:27 pm : link
In comment 16288150 I am Ninja said:
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Ehhh. It's not 1989 anymore. If you think you're going to play defense and stop the run and that's gonna get it done in todays NFL, you're gonna lose. A lot.


I know you weren't saying that, but the game has changed. You have to throw the ball and defend the pass. You can do that by cover/scheme or rushing the passer. But you don't have a choice as to your identity anymore.

You have to throw and throw alot. "We're gonna run Saquon down their fucking throats!!!" gets you... What we've got.


Let's play the other angle. Suppose we actually did commit to that as an identity, got some run blocking maulers up front, a fullback, and just bullied these defenses built to stop the pass.
the 70s steelers had an identity as did the 90s niners  
hassan : 11/13/2023 11:50 pm : link
but few modern teams do. most want to throw the ball more and play data-analytics game and have bend but don’t break d.

no oklahoma wishbone o in todays nfl.
Team identity is a horror movie...  
gridirony : 11/13/2023 11:56 pm : link
Nightmara on Elm Street.
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Go Terps : 11/14/2023 12:01 am : link
We have players that make repeated mental errors, display poor effort, and celebrate individual plays down 3+ scores.

Seems like an identity to me.
RE: .  
DisgruntledNYGfan : 11/14/2023 12:30 am : link
In comment 16288303 Go Terps said:
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We have players that make repeated mental errors, display poor effort, and celebrate individual plays down 3+ scores.

Seems like an identity to me.


We also have offensive lineman who block each other instead of defenders.
Daboll  
BigBlueCane : 11/14/2023 3:38 am : link
wants to throw the ball a lot like the Chiefs and Bills do but that's not what this roster as built can do. And yet he had a major say in how this roster was put together.
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