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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/13/2023 8:18 pm
In Orchard Park. I think Bills romp. Buffalo needs this one siting at 5-4 right now.

Their remaining schedule:

Vs. Jets: Probable win.
@ Eagles: Probable loss.
Bye.
@ KCP: Probable loss.
Vs. Cowboys: Toss up.
@ LAC: Toss up.
Pats: Probable win.
@ Miami: Probable loss.
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RE: .  
BillKo : 11/13/2023 10:03 pm : link
In comment 16288224 Banks said:
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Last leg of a parlay worth $400. Frickin bills


Hang in there, Banksy. I still think the Bills take this.
RE: Bills roster sucks  
Ron Johnson : 11/13/2023 10:04 pm : link
In comment 16288215 WillVAB said:
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Allen makes Bills mgmt look much better than they really are.



More Excuses for Josh Allen
RE: RE: RE: Bills roster sucks  
BillKo : 11/13/2023 10:05 pm : link
In comment 16288225 WillVAB said:
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Allen makes Bills mgmt look much better than they really are.



That’s ridiculous. Most of the league would happily switch their offensive personnel with the bills. Diggs/Davis/Kincaid is a very good trio and they have a talented RB with depth. Average OL which should be good enough.

Allen makes really lazy, careless decisions. When he’s doing that he isn’t making the offense better than they really are, he’s throwing away points.



Allen is their offense. The overrated McDermont hasn’t figured out how to develop a running game to support Allen. The receivers are all overrated.

Allen doesn’t make “lazy, careless decisions,” he’s trying to make plays bc no one else will.


His last INT was the pure definition of lazy. He thought the throw would be there and just made a bad decision/throw, too mechanical.

RE: RE: RE: Bills roster sucks  
UConn4523 : 11/13/2023 10:08 pm : link
In comment 16288225 WillVAB said:
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Allen makes Bills mgmt look much better than they really are.



That’s ridiculous. Most of the league would happily switch their offensive personnel with the bills. Diggs/Davis/Kincaid is a very good trio and they have a talented RB with depth. Average OL which should be good enough.

Allen makes really lazy, careless decisions. When he’s doing that he isn’t making the offense better than they really are, he’s throwing away points.



Allen is their offense. The overrated McDermont hasn’t figured out how to develop a running game to support Allen. The receivers are all overrated.

Allen doesn’t make “lazy, careless decisions,” he’s trying to make plays bc no one else will.


McDermott didn’t make him throw that terrible pass to end the half. And there’s no reason to chase points down 4 points with the defense playing well. Bad play by Allen and Allen alone and this isn’t the first time he’s done that this season.

The Bills are 4th in the league in point differential and might slip to .500. Too many mental mistakes by Allen is a large factor.
Allen looks awful  
JT039 : 11/13/2023 10:12 pm : link
Holy good god.
RE: Allen looks awful  
BillKo : 11/13/2023 10:13 pm : link
In comment 16288236 JT039 said:
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Holy good god.


Yeah, that scramble is a play he is usually money on.

He's pressing......it happens.
I don't understand  
jvm52106 : 11/13/2023 10:17 pm : link
Their game plan. It seems like too much chunk play seeking vs plays that build off each other.. Run a bit more as it was working earlier.


They also are pretty hit or miss after Diggs at WR...
Gee give the ball to James Cook..  
moze1021 : 11/13/2023 10:31 pm : link
And then big things happen.

Shocker.

..  
Sean : 11/13/2023 10:38 pm : link
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Lawrence Tynes
@lt4kicks
For entertainment purposes only:

Would you trade Daniel Jones and two 1’s (24 & 25) to Buffalo for Josh Allen so he could reunite with Dabes? That would be hard to pass up for the Bills with this QB draft class.
Another Allen turnover  
JT039 : 11/13/2023 10:40 pm : link
Yikes
RE: Did they really  
HomerJones45 : 11/13/2023 10:48 pm : link
In comment 16288147 moze1021 said:
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Bench James Cook for his 2nd career fumble?

Dude is so talented and they never give him the ball. Really weird.
mcDermott is in love with Murray. Never has so much offensive talent gone to waste. Incredibly, this team has trouble scoring.
RE: RE: RE: Bills roster sucks  
Chris in Philly : 11/13/2023 11:05 pm : link
In comment 16288225 WillVAB said:
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Allen makes Bills mgmt look much better than they really are.



That’s ridiculous. Most of the league would happily switch their offensive personnel with the bills. Diggs/Davis/Kincaid is a very good trio and they have a talented RB with depth. Average OL which should be good enough.

Allen makes really lazy, careless decisions. When he’s doing that he isn’t making the offense better than they really are, he’s throwing away points.



Allen is their offense. The overrated McDermont hasn’t figured out how to develop a running game to support Allen. The receivers are all overrated.

Allen doesn’t make “lazy, careless decisions,” he’s trying to make plays bc no one else will.


You are saying Stefon Diggs is overrated?
RE: Gee give the ball to James Cook..  
moze1021 : 11/13/2023 11:12 pm : link
In comment 16288248 moze1021 said:
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And then big things happen.

Shocker.


Again..all 3 TD drives they had started with Cook igniting the offense on big runs...
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Banks : 11/13/2023 11:25 pm : link
And there goes my $400. Sigh
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Banks : 11/13/2023 11:26 pm : link
Oh you fuckin teases
Can't have 12 guys out there  
jinkies : 11/13/2023 11:27 pm : link
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mcdermott is getting fired  
bigbluewillrise : 11/13/2023 11:27 pm : link
how do you have 12 man on the field there. inexcusable.
there is no way mcdermott is surviving a playoff less season  
bigbluewillrise : 11/13/2023 11:28 pm : link
zero change.

dorsey/mcdermott are gone.
McDermott screaming fire me.  
St. Jimmy : 11/13/2023 11:28 pm : link
That was Giant esque.
I’d rather be  
Joe Beckwith : 11/13/2023 11:29 pm : link
a Giants fan than a Bills fan.
Lmao  
JB_in_DC : 11/13/2023 11:30 pm : link
Both really tried to blow it there. Horrible sack, DPI, missed kick, too many men… what a brutal sequence.
Speaking of overrated  
Route 9 : 11/13/2023 11:31 pm : link
Buffalo is definitely overrated.

I think that's Baltimore's conference. Think.
The Bills are one mentally soft freakin team  
sb from NYT Forum : 11/13/2023 11:31 pm : link
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McDermott will be Gone  
mvftw : 11/13/2023 11:31 pm : link
After the Season...
Josh Allen is shell shocked  
OBJ_AllDay : 11/13/2023 11:32 pm : link
He looks completely lost. And the it’s only a matter of time before the temperamental Diggs loses his damn mind
RE: McDermott will be Gone  
Tom in NY : 11/13/2023 11:35 pm : link
In comment 16288284 mvftw said:
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After the Season...


4 Turnovers and crucial 12 men on the field penalty to lose the game...if/when they don't make the playoffs, McDermott is going to have to answer a lot of questions that he'll have no good answers to.
Wilson had a very strong game  
UConn4523 : 11/13/2023 11:36 pm : link
outplayed Allen on the road against a defense that was in his face all night. Just did all the little things, was nice to see.
We may have found our next  
Thunderstruck27 : 11/13/2023 11:37 pm : link
DC
That was some meltdown by the Bills.  
81_Great_Dane : 11/13/2023 11:39 pm : link
Yikes.
Truthfully  
jvm52106 : 11/13/2023 11:48 pm : link
If Denver doesn't miss two extra points the game would already be over..Bills need a change- some players or the coaching staff but ever since their meltdown against the Chiefs they have been more paper tiger than jungle cat..

RE: Wilson had a very strong game  
jinkies : 11/13/2023 11:51 pm : link
In comment 16288290 UConn4523 said:
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outplayed Allen on the road against a defense that was in his face all night. Just did all the little things, was nice to see.


Calls he was "cooked" maybe premature.
RE: RE: Wilson had a very strong game  
BillKo : 11/13/2023 11:58 pm : link
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outplayed Allen on the road against a defense that was in his face all night. Just did all the little things, was nice to see.



Calls he was "cooked" maybe premature.


Ehhhh, is arm is shot. Give him credit for still being athletic and being able to dump off still in a quick way but their entire game is played within 10 yards.

I really don't understand Peyton's.......  
BillKo : 11/14/2023 12:00 am : link
....decision to run his kicker on the field like that, and it obviously affected the kick.

All that to center the kick?
RE: I really don't understand Peyton's.......  
moze1021 : 11/14/2023 12:17 am : link
In comment 16288302 BillKo said:
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....decision to run his kicker on the field like that, and it obviously affected the kick.

All that to center the kick?


No it was just to make sure the Bills had no time left
RE: RE: I really don't understand Peyton's.......  
BillKo : 11/14/2023 12:27 am : link
In comment 16288310 moze1021 said:
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....decision to run his kicker on the field like that, and it obviously affected the kick.

All that to center the kick?



No it was just to make sure the Bills had no time left


Still doesn't make sense to me....wayyyyyy to risky.
RE: ..  
bigbluewillrise : 11/14/2023 12:31 am : link
In comment 16288251 Sean said:
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Lawrence Tynes
@lt4kicks
For entertainment purposes only:

Would you trade Daniel Jones and two 1’s (24 & 25) to Buffalo for Josh Allen so he could reunite with Dabes? That would be hard to pass up for the Bills with this QB draft class.



yes i would trade 3 1s for Allen.
RE: McDermott will be Gone  
HomerJones45 : 11/14/2023 12:44 am : link
In comment 16288284 mvftw said:
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After the Season...
Rightfully so, but I don't think he is going to be let go. He just signed a 4 year extension. He is wasting this team- you can't run an offense whose identity is "Allen save us" every week.
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NorcalNYG : 11/14/2023 1:03 am : link
In comment 16288319 bigbluewillrise said:
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Lawrence Tynes
@lt4kicks
For entertainment purposes only:

Would you trade Daniel Jones and two 1’s (24 & 25) to Buffalo for Josh Allen so he could reunite with Dabes? That would be hard to pass up for the Bills with this QB draft class.





yes i would trade 3 1s for Allen.


Hell no. Allen has been so turnover prone and much less effective since Daboll left. He has a generational arm, but really lacks touch on his throws. He also just makes a lot of boneheaded decisions. No way would I trade a top 3 pick plus 2 other first round picks for Josh Allen.
How bout them Broncos?!  
NorcalNYG : 11/14/2023 1:07 am : link
Have won 3 in a row after a 1-5 start. Peyton is a great coach and he is righting the ship there. Starting to salvage the Russell Wilson trade too. Still a bad trade, but with Peyton's help it won't go down as a historically bad trade. Was interesting to hear the remarks about Wilson losing 15lbs and regaining some of his quickness that made him great, I wonder if Peyton had anything to do with that?
Bronco  
Toth029 : 11/14/2023 3:17 am : link
Lose without that PI call or even the 12 men on the field penalty.

I guess if your idea of a successful night is dinking and dunking all night is fine, sure Wilson is still capable. Remember the Bills lost all their key players defensively weeks ago.

Broncos aren't winning any playoff games much less a Super Bowl with this current Wilson and his humongous deal.
It's good for the Giants  
k2tampa : 11/14/2023 6:05 am : link
Whenever a 3 win team gets a win. Buffalo meanwhile is one audible away from being 4-6. They still have games with the Eagles, Chiefs and Dolphins on the road and the Cowboys at home. They are facing the likehood of 8-9 - if the can beat the Jets. They are the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde of the NFL. Beat the Dolphins, lose to the Patriots.
Every time I watch the Bills...  
DefenseWins : 11/14/2023 6:12 am : link
Allen is a significant contributor in their loss.
RE: Every time I watch the Bills...  
Route 9 : 11/14/2023 7:21 am : link
In comment 16288348 DefenseWins said:
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Allen is a significant contributor in their loss.


Interesting post. I like it.
RE: RE: RE: Wilson had a very strong game  
UConn4523 : 11/14/2023 7:40 am : link
In comment 16288301 BillKo said:
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outplayed Allen on the road against a defense that was in his face all night. Just did all the little things, was nice to see.



Calls he was "cooked" maybe premature.



Ehhhh, is arm is shot. Give him credit for still being athletic and being able to dump off still in a quick way but their entire game is played within 10 yards.


So is our offense, and it’s because of the OL, same with Denver. As the announcers stated they want to take deep shots, Payton was calling for them, but the pass rush was in Wilson’s face all night. He doesn’t have a big arm anymore but it’s plenty good enough IMO.
Wilson and Watson showing serious  
Metnut : 11/14/2023 7:42 am : link
signs of life recently.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Wilson had a very strong game  
BillKo : 11/14/2023 9:04 am : link
In comment 16288397 UConn4523 said:
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outplayed Allen on the road against a defense that was in his face all night. Just did all the little things, was nice to see.



Calls he was "cooked" maybe premature.



Ehhhh, is arm is shot. Give him credit for still being athletic and being able to dump off still in a quick way but their entire game is played within 10 yards.




So is our offense, and it’s because of the OL, same with Denver. As the announcers stated they want to take deep shots, Payton was calling for them, but the pass rush was in Wilson’s face all night. He doesn’t have a big arm anymore but it’s plenty good enough IMO.


Its my entire point - the big arm is gone and I don't think it's even that good any more.

That final pass to get PI was woeful. He's got zero zip.

Broncos need a QB but are in a tough spot w/ that contract I suppose.
again look at denver oline  
Rory : 11/14/2023 9:56 am : link
they went and got McGlinchey and Powers while also having young depth and a solid LT in Boles.

Also Boles was considered trash until his 3rd year and then progressed.

My point is bad teams can be turned around with a good offensive line, but good offensive lineman take time to develop and they have to grow together and have positional consistency.

Until you have that then you are going to struggle and everyone looks bad.

fix the line.
RE: Wilson and Watson showing serious  
sb from NYT Forum : 11/14/2023 9:56 am : link
In comment 16288398 Metnut said:
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signs of life recently.


Wilson still is very smart and can make fast decisions, but as Bill posted above, he doesn't have the cannon arm anymore, so that only will help in short to mid passes IMO.
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sb from NYT Forum : 11/14/2023 10:01 am : link
In comment 16288331 NorcalNYG said:
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Hell no. Allen has been so turnover prone and much less effective since Daboll left. He has a generational arm, but really lacks touch on his throws. He also just makes a lot of boneheaded decisions. No way would I trade a top 3 pick plus 2 other first round picks for Josh Allen.


I think Allen and the offense have lost all faith in Ken Dorsey and he is forcing plays because of it. Just my feeling.

That and the team generally can't close out close games or consistently beat teams that they should beat. That's on McDermott.
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NINEster : 11/14/2023 10:37 am : link
In comment 16288571 sb from NYT Forum said:
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signs of life recently.



Wilson still is very smart and can make fast decisions, but as Bill posted above, he doesn't have the cannon arm anymore, so that only will help in short to mid passes IMO.


So much of what made Wilson "good" or dare I say "great" {barf}, was the deep ball and mobility. Once those become pedestrian, what you get with him in particular, is a rather average QB.

I think people don't realize what the difference between hitting 2-3 deep balls a game versus 0 feels like in reality.....it's humongous.

Such plays are so impactful. Covering 60 yards in one play versus seven, has such a different impact on games.

Especially in Wilson's case.....all that futility drive after drive after drive, and then boom, huge bomb (or huge broken play).

If Zack Wilson could do just that, the Jets would be undefeated probably, even if the rest of his game was no better than it currently is.

Meanwhile what kind of deep ball and mobility did Brady have at age 45? Rodgers pushing 40?

So many examples of older QBs playing better than Wilson at his current age, because they were at their core, BETTER at playing the position.

Guys like Prescott, Tannehill, Cousins.....all better pocket QBs than Wilson, their entire career. Just couldn't quite make the wow plays he did.

Fans are too affected by wow plays.
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