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DanMetroMan : 11/14/2023 8:20 am
Today is also the deadline to add players to the 40 man
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DanMetroMan : 11/14/2023 3:55 pm : link
7 QO players have turned it down. No surprise.
RE: Would you?  
KDavies : 11/14/2023 3:57 pm : link
In comment 16289318 pjcas18 said:
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Career high last year of 120 innings. He is 30. If the price is right, but major durability concerns.
Obviously  
DanMetroMan : 11/14/2023 4:01 pm : link
a good pitcher but he's thrown 100, not 200, 100 innings twice in his career. Major buyer beware. Obviously, he has exciting upside but 30 years old with 529 CAREER innings pitched.
RE: RE: I  
KDavies : 11/14/2023 4:04 pm : link
In comment 16289315 GF1080 said:
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picked up Wyatt Langford late in the season because Chris Clegg was losing his mind over his fantasy upside. There certainly is a big time influx of young talent in the league (particularly on the position player side).



In my one dynasty league we can't pick up drafted players same year. I'm sure Yamamoto, Crews, Skenes, and Langford will be the top 4 picks in my draft this year


Salas likely to be added for the first time in many leagues as well.
Padres  
DanMetroMan : 11/14/2023 4:12 pm : link
landed Salas last year and will sign the top IFA in January as well. Doing some serious work internationally.
RE: RE: RE: I  
GF1080 : 11/14/2023 4:16 pm : link
In comment 16289335 KDavies said:
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In comment 16289315 GF1080 said:


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In comment 16289308 DanMetroMan said:


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picked up Wyatt Langford late in the season because Chris Clegg was losing his mind over his fantasy upside. There certainly is a big time influx of young talent in the league (particularly on the position player side).



In my one dynasty league we can't pick up drafted players same year. I'm sure Yamamoto, Crews, Skenes, and Langford will be the top 4 picks in my draft this year



Salas likely to be added for the first time in many leagues as well.


Someone already has him unfortunately.
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DanMetroMan : 11/14/2023 4:17 pm : link
Looks like JT Ginn will in fact be available in the Rule 5 draft #Mets
Thanks  
DanMetroMan : 11/14/2023 5:24 pm : link
Brodie

The Astros have added their No. 11 prospect, Kenedy Corona, to the 40-man roster, protecting him from the Rule 5 Draft.
While we're waiting  
pjcas18 : 11/14/2023 5:27 pm : link
and talking fantasy baseball. My league we keep 3 players and we get them at their draft round for 3 years then they cost a 1st or we can't keep them. I have some good options.

Edwin Diaz: 22nd round (we have 25 rounds)
Elly de la Cruz: 20th round
Francisco Alvarez: 22nd round (if I keep both him and Diaz one would be 21st round)

Eury Perez: 12th round
Kyle Harrison: 23rd round
Andres Gimenez: 23rd round (would be 2nd time keeping him)

So, my thoughts were the 1st 3 players.

but Eury in the 12th for the next 3 years seemed enticing too and Harrison could be a TOR starter too.

What would you do?


RE: While we're waiting  
Mike in NY : 11/14/2023 5:33 pm : link
In comment 16289425 pjcas18 said:
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and talking fantasy baseball. My league we keep 3 players and we get them at their draft round for 3 years then they cost a 1st or we can't keep them. I have some good options.

Edwin Diaz: 22nd round (we have 25 rounds)
Elly de la Cruz: 20th round
Francisco Alvarez: 22nd round (if I keep both him and Diaz one would be 21st round)

Eury Perez: 12th round
Kyle Harrison: 23rd round
Andres Gimenez: 23rd round (would be 2nd time keeping him)

So, my thoughts were the 1st 3 players.

but Eury in the 12th for the next 3 years seemed enticing too and Harrison could be a TOR starter too.

What would you do?



I would keep Perez over Alvarez. It is too difficult for a catcher to be Mike Piazza these days.
Mets only add Ramirez  
DanMetroMan : 11/14/2023 5:52 pm : link
This is the Mets only addition. The Mets will leave the likes of right-handed pitchers Justin Jarvis, Coleman Crow, and Joander Suarez, and utility Jeremiah Jackson exposed to the Rule 5 Draft on December 6th.
Seidler  
DanMetroMan : 11/14/2023 5:54 pm : link
Said he would have added Crow over Ramirez

“ I'd also say that anyone talking about the latter's "upside" or "potential" should show their work because other than looking good in a uniform or taking 5 PM swings there isn't actually any granular upside or potential trait currently there, just past hype”

Interesting Jarvis, Crow, Jackson all added by Eppler not added
Re Crow  
DanMetroMan : 11/14/2023 6:06 pm : link
Seidler-dunno, guys like that sometimes get popped because they can just go on the 60 and the popping team gets a free of cost look at their rehab/ramp up (while the player gets the MLB minimum and service time), but it's very variable to what kind of reports and room other teams have
stearns leaving jarvis off probably tells us all we need to about him  
Eric on Li : 11/14/2023 6:10 pm : link
that's a guy he has known for a pretty long time.

crow is going to be out with tjs, not positive what the rule is w/r/t carry him after his rehab but that's one that seems like it could be a free look for someone.

all of it is probably much about nothing, it's hard enough to carry full time the brett baty's of the world without demoting them during a year. rule 5 is a pretty stupid concept, but especially for IFAs since they sign so young.
RE: While we're waiting  
GF1080 : 11/14/2023 6:19 pm : link
In comment 16289425 pjcas18 said:
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and talking fantasy baseball. My league we keep 3 players and we get them at their draft round for 3 years then they cost a 1st or we can't keep them. I have some good options.

Edwin Diaz: 22nd round (we have 25 rounds)
Elly de la Cruz: 20th round
Francisco Alvarez: 22nd round (if I keep both him and Diaz one would be 21st round)

Eury Perez: 12th round
Kyle Harrison: 23rd round
Andres Gimenez: 23rd round (would be 2nd time keeping him)

So, my thoughts were the 1st 3 players.

but Eury in the 12th for the next 3 years seemed enticing too and Harrison could be a TOR starter too.

What would you do?



I might go Eury over Edwin. Closers too volatile and you can still try and draft him back. Eury upside is huge. Harrison next. A C hitting 25-30 in fantasy is very valuable so keep Alvarez.
RE: RE: While we're waiting  
KDavies : 11/14/2023 6:31 pm : link
In comment 16289484 GF1080 said:
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In comment 16289425 pjcas18 said:


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and talking fantasy baseball. My league we keep 3 players and we get them at their draft round for 3 years then they cost a 1st or we can't keep them. I have some good options.

Edwin Diaz: 22nd round (we have 25 rounds)
Elly de la Cruz: 20th round
Francisco Alvarez: 22nd round (if I keep both him and Diaz one would be 21st round)

Eury Perez: 12th round
Kyle Harrison: 23rd round
Andres Gimenez: 23rd round (would be 2nd time keeping him)

So, my thoughts were the 1st 3 players.

but Eury in the 12th for the next 3 years seemed enticing too and Harrison could be a TOR starter too.

What would you do?





I might go Eury over Edwin. Closers too volatile and you can still try and draft him back. Eury upside is huge. Harrison next. A C hitting 25-30 in fantasy is very valuable so keep Alvarez.


Tend to agree. Between those three and Elly. Diaz (I don’t keep closers with that few keepers) and Gimenez are out of the question for me
RE: Re Crow  
KDavies : 11/14/2023 6:34 pm : link
In comment 16289473 DanMetroMan said:
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Seidler-dunno, guys like that sometimes get popped because they can just go on the 60 and the popping team gets a free of cost look at their rehab/ramp up (while the player gets the MLB minimum and service time), but it's very variable to what kind of reports and room other teams have


Yeah, I would have kept Crow and just IL him. A little shocked at Suarez. He was fantastic down the stretch and hit AA. What’s to stop a team from Oak that’s not in contention from taking him? I would really hate to lose him before seeing if that kind of success is sustainable
RE: Wolfe's  
Optimus-NY : 11/14/2023 6:36 pm : link
In comment 16288921 DanMetroMan said:
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quote implies Yamamoto too lol Link - ( New Window )


LOVE IT! Increases the Mets' chances to sign YY.
ive been out on fantasy baseball for a while so not the best informed  
Eric on Li : 11/14/2023 6:40 pm : link
but id want alvarez and perez for sure. production at hard positions to find. eury upside is massive.

if you love elly i can see a case for his upside as #3 with the position flex. the k's could be a category killer depending on scoring but he certainly has a lot of splash production. if you are hunting upside it's not crazy to think he's one of the handful on the planet to do what acuna did last year one day. otherwise diaz or gimenez would seem to be very strong options, though maybe not potential league winners like the other 3.
Elly will probably  
pjcas18 : 11/14/2023 7:03 pm : link
be drafted top 25-30.

K's are a massive issue for him, but he looks like a lock 30/30 guy and for the next 3 years in the 20th round that's a steal. He is my biggest sure thing to keep IMO.

Diaz is attractive to me because if he is 2022 Diaz he is a to 10 pitcher in our league since K/BB is one of our pitching stats. (W, SV, K, ERA, WHIP, and K/BB).

Eury only doubts I have are innings. How many will he pitch?

Alvarez is probably a top 15 catcher with a full season.

Harrison to me is in case someone gets hurt before I have to name my keepers.

Gimenez I kept last year and he was a disappointment, but in the 23rd round I can't complain.

Thank you all for the advice.
nothing earth shattering but martino says mets very in on yamamoto  
Eric on Li : 11/14/2023 10:25 pm : link
but nothing so far connecting them to ohtani. yamamoto apparently open to pitching in ny.
Could Yoshinobu Yamamoto set up the first Steve Cohen-Hal Steinbrenner showdown over a top-level free agent? Would a contract look like 7-8 years at $30 million/year? @gappleSNY , @martinonyc & @JimDuquetteGM discuss on Mets Hot Stove https://on.sny.tv/nI6cUk8 - ( New Window )
RE: While we're waiting  
Metnut : 11/14/2023 10:50 pm : link
In comment 16289425 pjcas18 said:
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and talking fantasy baseball. My league we keep 3 players and we get them at their draft round for 3 years then they cost a 1st or we can't keep them. I have some good options.

Edwin Diaz: 22nd round (we have 25 rounds)
Elly de la Cruz: 20th round
Francisco Alvarez: 22nd round (if I keep both him and Diaz one would be 21st round)

Eury Perez: 12th round
Kyle Harrison: 23rd round
Andres Gimenez: 23rd round (would be 2nd time keeping him)

So, my thoughts were the 1st 3 players.

but Eury in the 12th for the next 3 years seemed enticing too and Harrison could be a TOR starter too.

What would you do?



Try and trade one of your big 4. Can you trade for a draft pick?
At this point  
pjcas18 : 11/15/2023 7:39 am : link
I think I can only trade a player who I keep (good thought though). thanks for tolerating the fantasy baseball talk for those of you who it annoys.
...  
ryanmkeane : 11/15/2023 9:05 am : link
I like Mendoza's demeanor, hoping he turns out to be a Cora type.
RE: ...  
Optimus-NY : 11/15/2023 9:49 am : link
In comment 16289774 ryanmkeane said:
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I like Mendoza's demeanor, hoping he turns out to be a Cora type.


We will see. If he doesn't work out, then send him on his way. t least this guy is collaborative and not set in his ways. Being younger helps a lot IMO. Buck is ready for the ricking chair and stubborn as a mule. He'll never manage again in all likelihood.
it's tough to evaluate someone who has never done something so  
Eric on Li : 11/15/2023 10:02 am : link
i think there's more to read from this hire about stearns than mendoza, who sounds fine but is an unknown. In that way it was a pretty ballsy choice to not hire someone with experience managing before. and to have been so clear in his conviction to move on from Buck who is a HOFer and is 1 year removed from the best season in decades. For all the problems the players did seem to enjoy playing for him.

Counsell would have been a no brainer but it seems like even there Stearns wasn't overly aggressive or desperate to bring him in.

He ran a low key process and ended up with what seems like a credible selection, but given the situation it also seems like a reasonably confident/ballsy choice. His first chance to get into a bidding war that would have won the backpages and he chose not to crack open the cohen vault even though presumably he could have if he'd wanted to. even if chicago didnt come out of nowhere it sounds like the met offer may not have even been that much higher than milwaukees.
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DanMetroMan : 11/15/2023 10:23 am : link
Elian Rosso Pena 0-2, rbi. Was removed from the game after appearing to ding his finger/hang sliding into 1st #Mets
Out  
DanMetroMan : 11/15/2023 10:31 am : link
of sheer curiosity, I wonder who the bench coach is. Mendoza has only worked for the Yankees and Stearns as a FO person has only worked for 2 teams and neither of those managers is available so if they stick to "an ex-Manager" as Puma reported, I'm curious to see who the pick is. Nevin (the one available ex-manager with Mendoza "experience" is apparently the heavy favorite for the Padres job). Mendoza praised Willie Randolph, but Willie also has been pretty open about his issues with modern analytics (maybe this doesn't even matter and they simply want a "vet" in the Don Zimmer mold. Just intrigued to see who they land on.
RE: it's tough to evaluate someone who has never done something so  
DanMetroMan : 11/15/2023 10:36 am : link
In comment 16289871 Eric on Li said:
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i think there's more to read from this hire about stearns than mendoza, who sounds fine but is an unknown. In that way it was a pretty ballsy choice to not hire someone with experience managing before. and to have been so clear in his conviction to move on from Buck who is a HOFer and is 1 year removed from the best season in decades. For all the problems the players did seem to enjoy playing for him.

Counsell would have been a no brainer but it seems like even there Stearns wasn't overly aggressive or desperate to bring him in.

He ran a low key process and ended up with what seems like a credible selection, but given the situation it also seems like a reasonably confident/ballsy choice. His first chance to get into a bidding war that would have won the backpages and he chose not to crack open the cohen vault even though presumably he could have if he'd wanted to. even if chicago didnt come out of nowhere it sounds like the met offer may not have even been that much higher than milwaukees.


HEAVY belief is that Counsell was headed back to the Brewers before the Cubs got involved. I don't know the Mets exact final "offer" (I was told they spoke in generalities vs. presenting him with an exact number) because the Mets did not believe Counsell was strongly interested in coming to the Mets and that the Mets weren't going to get involved in a bidding war "just because".

Counsell apparently was very honest with the Mets about his preference to stay in Milwaukee when they initially spoke. The Mets were not blindsided here. Whether Mendoza was the right pick or not, we shall find out.
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Named Later : 11/15/2023 11:01 am : link
Was there any benefit in not adding some of those Pitchers to the 40-man ?? I know Coleman Crow had surgery, but why did they risk him ? Why risk losing Suarez, Orze, or even Brendan Hardy?

Mets Merized says that the Mets 40-man currently has 33 players. The space was available, why not hold on to every Pitcher with any promising stuff ?

The Braves 40 is full, yet they claimed Penn Murfee. Will they have to put him back on waivers today ?
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DanMetroMan : 11/15/2023 11:11 am : link
In comment 16289984 Named Later said:
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Was there any benefit in not adding some of those Pitchers to the 40-man ?? I know Coleman Crow had surgery, but why did they risk him ? Why risk losing Suarez, Orze, or even Brendan Hardy?

Mets Merized says that the Mets 40-man currently has 33 players. The space was available, why not hold on to every Pitcher with any promising stuff ?

The Braves 40 is full, yet they claimed Penn Murfee. Will they have to put him back on waivers today ?


Braves waived Yonny Chirinos in order to claim Murfee.

The "advantage" is keeping a 40 man spot open. They seemingly will have 10+ of them come Friday. They gambled with Murfee and the Braves may have made them pay.
Sounds  
DanMetroMan : 11/15/2023 11:12 am : link
like the plan in Milwaukee is for Weeks to take over in a few years, those plans rarely work out but they did with the Astros.
One thing to consider about Consell's signing with Chicago is that  
Ira : 11/15/2023 11:24 am : link
it's about an hour and a half away from Milwaukee, so visiting friends and family should be quite simple.
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Named Later : 11/15/2023 11:40 am : link
In comment 16290004 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 16289984 Named Later said:


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Was there any benefit in not adding some of those Pitchers to the 40-man ?? I know Coleman Crow had surgery, but why did they risk him ? Why risk losing Suarez, Orze, or even Brendan Hardy?

Mets Merized says that the Mets 40-man currently has 33 players. The space was available, why not hold on to every Pitcher with any promising stuff ?

The Braves 40 is full, yet they claimed Penn Murfee. Will they have to put him back on waivers today ?



Braves waived Yonny Chirinos in order to claim Murfee.

The "advantage" is keeping a 40 man spot open. They seemingly will have 10+ of them come Friday. They gambled with Murfee and the Braves may have made them pay.


Just thinking out loud here, I don't know if all 10 spots on the 40 are better than say, 7 spots plus 3 known players from your own system. I thought Orze showed promise, maybe Suarez too.
Stearns  
DanMetroMan : 11/15/2023 11:41 am : link
knows more than I do but they may well regret not protecting more of the arms. The Murfee thing was a flat out miscalculation. There was zero reason to put him on waivers now, if they needed a 40 man spot, then sure. It may not end up being something they regret, but they may.
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DanMetroMan : 11/15/2023 11:46 am : link
Terrible post-promotion to AAA but the one name that catches my eye as a potential Rule 5 pick is Shane Drohan
RE: Stearns  
Optimus-NY : 11/15/2023 11:47 am : link
In comment 16290066 DanMetroMan said:
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knows more than I do but they may well regret not protecting more of the arms. The Murfee thing was a flat out miscalculation. There was zero reason to put him on waivers now, if they needed a 40 man spot, then sure. It may not end up being something they regret, but they may.


I agree Dan. Not sure about the thinking behind that one.
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Optimus-NY : 11/15/2023 11:47 am : link
In comment 16290004 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 16289984 Named Later said:


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Was there any benefit in not adding some of those Pitchers to the 40-man ?? I know Coleman Crow had surgery, but why did they risk him ? Why risk losing Suarez, Orze, or even Brendan Hardy?

Mets Merized says that the Mets 40-man currently has 33 players. The space was available, why not hold on to every Pitcher with any promising stuff ?

The Braves 40 is full, yet they claimed Penn Murfee. Will they have to put him back on waivers today ?



Braves waived Yonny Chirinos in order to claim Murfee.

The "advantage" is keeping a 40 man spot open. They seemingly will have 10+ of them come Friday. They gambled with Murfee and the Braves may have made them pay.


Watch Murfee come back to haunt the Mets next year. The Metsiest thing ever.
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DanMetroMan : 11/15/2023 11:50 am : link
The other name that stood out to me is Carlos De La Cruz. He's 6'8", from Yonkers and posted a 118 wRC+ this season in AA, can play all 3 OF positions and 1b... yes at 6'8" he's played some CF
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DanMetroMan : 11/15/2023 11:50 am : link
On Yoshinobu Yamamoto, from @martinonyc
on Mets Hot Stove:

"A serious fit for [the Mets and Yankees], a guy that I hear is totally open to New York and a big market.

Oh boy, do the Mets like this guy. Everyone that scouted him in Japan likes him - comparisons to Tim Lincecum, 4-5 pitch guy with velocity.

Nobody that has seen him doubts that he's way better than Kodai Senga.

Kodai Senga is good. This guy is really, really, really good, potentially.

Definitely something to watch for the Mets and Yankees. It's the first free agent showdown, potentially, between the Mets and Yankees in the Steve Cohen era. He and Hal Steinbrenner have not been after the same guy yet.

The Mets really want him, and so do the Yankees."
Missing out  
Shecky : 11/15/2023 12:01 pm : link
Would be Cohens first real swing and miss.
We’ve all heard the stories of how he will do WHATEVER it takes to get what he wants. So unless it’s something out of his control…
RE: Missing out  
DanMetroMan : 11/15/2023 12:06 pm : link
In comment 16290098 Shecky said:
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Would be Cohens first real swing and miss.
We’ve all heard the stories of how he will do WHATEVER it takes to get what he wants. So unless it’s something out of his control…


In fairness, Gausman took less money to go to Toronto.
RE: RE: Missing out  
Shecky : 11/15/2023 12:14 pm : link
In comment 16290104 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 16290098 Shecky said:


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Would be Cohens first real swing and miss.
We’ve all heard the stories of how he will do WHATEVER it takes to get what he wants. So unless it’s something out of his control…



In fairness, Gausman took less money to go to Toronto.


Hence, the out of his control. He can’t miss here.
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DanMetroMan : 11/15/2023 12:17 pm : link
Jon Morosi
@jonmorosi
Sources: Dodgers among the most interested teams in RHP Yoshinobu Yamamoto, one of the top pitchers available this offseason. His posting window has yet to formally open.

@MLB
@MLBNetwork
@WBSC
Yuck  
DanMetroMan : 11/15/2023 12:27 pm : link
Michael Marino
@MarinoMLB
Sources tell @AzoulayHaron
and I that the Mets and Rays had substantial talks about OF Manuel Margot leading up to yesterdays 6 p.m. ET 40-man Rule 5 draft protection deadline. Something to keep tabs on moving forward as the Mets ponder potential offseason offensive upgrades.
93  
DanMetroMan : 11/15/2023 12:28 pm : link
wRC+, quite the offensive upgrade lol
RE: Yuck  
Optimus-NY : 11/15/2023 12:29 pm : link
In comment 16290129 DanMetroMan said:
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Michael Marino
@MarinoMLB
Sources tell @AzoulayHaron
and I that the Mets and Rays had substantial talks about OF Manuel Margot leading up to yesterdays 6 p.m. ET 40-man Rule 5 draft protection deadline. Something to keep tabs on moving forward as the Mets ponder potential offseason offensive upgrades.


Who dat Dan?
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DanMetroMan : 11/15/2023 12:33 pm : link
Margot 336 PA's in 2023, finished tied for 85th/120 amongst OF's in wRC+, 101/120 in fWAR, 307/373 in DRS and 192/360 in OAA #Mets
RE: RE: Yuck  
DanMetroMan : 11/15/2023 12:34 pm : link
In comment 16290136 Optimus-NY said:
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In comment 16290129 DanMetroMan said:


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Michael Marino
@MarinoMLB
Sources tell @AzoulayHaron
and I that the Mets and Rays had substantial talks about OF Manuel Margot leading up to yesterdays 6 p.m. ET 40-man Rule 5 draft protection deadline. Something to keep tabs on moving forward as the Mets ponder potential offseason offensive upgrades.



Who dat Dan?


Who? Manuel Margot? Rays OF owed 12 million who isn't very good.
Tomorrow-  
DanMetroMan : 11/15/2023 12:34 pm : link
Zack Scott
@ZackScottSports
And speaking of transparency, someday soon I'll give my perspective on the Baez/Williams/cash for PCA trade. #Mets
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