if you ran a sports book and had to set the odds on which of Yamamoto/Nola/Snell ends up worth the most fwar next 3-5 years, im not really sure how you differentiate them beyond even odds. in the last 3 years only a few were worth more than nola even in a crappy pitchers park with mostly crappy D behind him. he could be a top 10 pitcher the next 3 years combined even with some regression.
as a position player soto being 5 years younger than ohtani is a bigger deal i think than with pitchers since age doesnt seem to matter quite as much. TJS in particular seems to have no age preference. if anything the younger/harder throwing guys seem to get it more than older lower velocity so you might even say yamamoto is higher risk.
the cost of acquisition may suck but my offseason plan A would probably be all in on Soto and then happy with any of those 3.
if for some reason they have big concerns on both nola/snell then maybe you go for montgomery + higher level 2/3rd arms like flaherty/lugo/imanaga.
quiet when it comes to mets rumors and not just because "Stearns runs a tight ship", not even seeing writers with "rumors" tying the Mets to anyone outside of Yamamoto.
Michael Marino
@MarinoMLB
Sources tell @AzoulayHaron
and I that the Mets and Rays had substantial talks about OF Manuel Margot leading up to yesterdays 6 p.m. ET 40-man Rule 5 draft protection deadline. Something to keep tabs on moving forward as the Mets ponder potential offseason offensive upgrades.
i would imagine this would have been a salary dump + minor asset bribe. margot is $10m and 11% of the rays current payroll. he was worth .4 fwar last year so that is an under water contract.
i expect margot would have been an expensive 4th OFer or maybe Marte insurance. his OF range is still 80th percentile and his sprint speed is 75th percentile. been around forever but still just 29 years old.
quiet when it comes to mets rumors and not just because "Stearns runs a tight ship", not even seeing writers with "rumors" tying the Mets to anyone outside of Yamamoto.
sort of reminiscent of eppler year 1 when the black friday news broke on canha/marte/escobar. those 3 were all very out of nowhere.
Michael Marino
@MarinoMLB
Sources tell @AzoulayHaron
and I that the Mets and Rays had substantial talks about OF Manuel Margot leading up to yesterdays 6 p.m. ET 40-man Rule 5 draft protection deadline. Something to keep tabs on moving forward as the Mets ponder potential offseason offensive upgrades.
i would imagine this would have been a salary dump + minor asset bribe. margot is $10m and 11% of the rays current payroll. he was worth .4 fwar last year so that is an under water contract.
i expect margot would have been an expensive 4th OFer or maybe Marte insurance. his OF range is still 80th percentile and his sprint speed is 75th percentile. been around forever but still just 29 years old.
defensive numbers have cratered and he's owed 12 million. His OPS vs. lefties was .665, in what scenario would we want him out there? He's mediocre.
Was there any benefit in not adding some of those Pitchers to the 40-man ?? I know Coleman Crow had surgery, but why did they risk him ? Why risk losing Suarez, Orze, or even Brendan Hardy?
Mets Merized says that the Mets 40-man currently has 33 players. The space was available, why not hold on to every Pitcher with any promising stuff ?
The Braves 40 is full, yet they claimed Penn Murfee. Will they have to put him back on waivers today ?
Braves waived Yonny Chirinos in order to claim Murfee.
The "advantage" is keeping a 40 man spot open. They seemingly will have 10+ of them come Friday. They gambled with Murfee and the Braves may have made them pay.
Watch Murfee come back to haunt the Mets next year. The Metsiest thing ever.
Yeah, if Penn Murfee throws even One Pitch for the Braves, I'll go ape-shit !!
Good Pitching is expensive. If one of these Mets' kids develops and gives a few years of cost-controlled innings...ouch !!
Jack Azoulay-Haron
@AzoulayHaron
The Yankees and Rays have been in touch regarding outfielder Manuel Margot, multiple sources tell @MLBNerds
. While a deal was not struck prior to the 6 PM Rule 5 deadline yesterday, Margot may still be an option for NYY, with other teams also in touch with TB regarding Margot.
Eno Sarris
@enosarris
Looks like Buddy Carlyle, who was the minor league pitching coordinator let go from the Angels just recently, has already been snapped up. He's the pitching coordinator for the Rays now. In terms of PD reputation, that's a big jump up, kind of interesting.
Michael Marino
@MarinoMLB
Sources tell @AzoulayHaron
and I that the Mets and Rays had substantial talks about OF Manuel Margot leading up to yesterdays 6 p.m. ET 40-man Rule 5 draft protection deadline. Something to keep tabs on moving forward as the Mets ponder potential offseason offensive upgrades.
i would imagine this would have been a salary dump + minor asset bribe. margot is $10m and 11% of the rays current payroll. he was worth .4 fwar last year so that is an under water contract.
i expect margot would have been an expensive 4th OFer or maybe Marte insurance. his OF range is still 80th percentile and his sprint speed is 75th percentile. been around forever but still just 29 years old.
defensive numbers have cratered and he's owed 12 million. His OPS vs. lefties was .665, in what scenario would we want him out there? He's mediocre.
in the scenario where they are getting back some kind of asset that makes it worth it, like i said, and if it's off the bench in place of time that went to whoever this year's locastro or ortega would have been. the contract is obviously under water.
With Murfee claimed off of waivers @mets and Marcel Renteria hitting FA @mets currently have 9 P rehabbing from TJ (*a few injuries were never publicly announced so that number could be higher) #Mets
Jeff Passan
@JeffPassan
Big news: Major League Baseball's competition committee has proposed reducing the pitch clock with runners on base from 20 seconds to 18 seconds, sources tell ESPN. The new rule could be implemented in time for the 2024 season. Details free at ESPN:.
Jeff Passan
@JeffPassan
Big news: Major League Baseball's competition committee has proposed reducing the pitch clock with runners on base from 20 seconds to 18 seconds, sources tell ESPN. The new rule could be implemented in time for the 2024 season. Details free at ESPN:.
.@JonHeyman
believes that Yoshinobu Yamamoto has a 'preference' for the west coast 👀
But what are his realistic options there? The Giants and the Dodgers are the only ones. Let's say Ohtani signs with the Dodgers. Will they then ALSO go for YY? I have no idea about the Giants'spending habits. The Padres are broke, the A's are moving, and the Angels are weird. Seattle is the last one. They could easily be an option, but again, how much are they willing to spend?
Isn't is being reported that YY would like to be in a major market? Seattle ain't exactly that. The Dodgers are the only ones I fear getting YY if they strike out on Ohtani. IF they do, then I'm not so concerned. Sounds like the agent is drumming up interest in a big bidding war to me. The Yankees and the Mets seem to be the best fits though IMO. This is gonna be fascinating. Maybe not LeBron level, but fascinating nonetheless to follow.
The Padres, Dodgers and Giants are all interested in free-agent left-hander Blake Snell, reports Jon Heyman of The New York Post in a discussion with Lauren Shehadi of MLB Network (video courtesy of MLB Network on X).
The Padres, Dodgers and Giants are all interested in free-agent left-hander Blake Snell, reports Jon Heyman of The New York Post in a discussion with Lauren Shehadi of MLB Network (video courtesy of MLB Network on X).
Interesting. Guess we're all waiting to see which domino is the first to fall at this point.
Seattle adding Bolton for cash
Mets picking up Murfee until...
Braves sniping the Mets
Rays picking up Alexander off of waivers
Padres picking up Estrada off of waivers
Braves picking up Pedromo off of waivers
- Cash had to be part of the deal as staying under the luxury tax was a mandate
-PCA was ranked their #5 best prospect and they had questions about his bat. He acknowledged the system was very thin/top heavy.
-A 7 player deal was also discussed with the Cubs
-They did know about deGrom's health status, it wasn't 100% clear he was done for the year but the possibility existed
-Even at the time he felt it was a "net negative" long term deal even at the time but not a major one.
-Credits PCA and the Cubs staff with helping him develop his bat.
- Cash had to be part of the deal as staying under the luxury tax was a mandate
-PCA was ranked their #5 best prospect and they had questions about his bat. He acknowledged the system was very thin/top heavy.
-A 7 player deal was also discussed with the Cubs
-They did know about deGrom's health status, it wasn't 100% clear he was done for the year but the possibility existed
-Even at the time he felt it was a "net negative" long term deal even at the time but not a major one.
-Credits PCA and the Cubs staff with helping him develop his bat.
the other thing about PCA at that time is he was out for year with shoulder surgery and you never know how a player will bounce back from that. conforto just had the lowest power year of his career. that as a total unknown/risk any trading team was taking.
was also almost untested so recently drafted so it was almost like if the mets were to deal Houck this offseason, and he were to have some kind of significant injury on top of that.
i think that deal may have come down to a choice between matt allan and pca and the mets just chose the wrong injured guy.
the bigger issue with the deal was that baez ended up not being someone they extended (fortunately). had he been the .850+ ops 4/5 hitter behind alonso they still havent found (and a GG at 2b) that would have been a good trade. would he have continued hitting well here or tanked like he has in detroit? no idea but he is clearly a guy that needs to be in a good line up or else he expands the zone to an unhealthy level. that was true in chicago and now detroit where his contract looks as bad or worse than marte.
- Cash had to be part of the deal as staying under the luxury tax was a mandate
-PCA was ranked their #5 best prospect and they had questions about his bat. He acknowledged the system was very thin/top heavy.
-A 7 player deal was also discussed with the Cubs
-They did know about deGrom's health status, it wasn't 100% clear he was done for the year but the possibility existed
-Even at the time he felt it was a "net negative" long term deal even at the time but not a major one.
-Credits PCA and the Cubs staff with helping him develop his bat.
Small sample size, but in 6 games in A ball with the Mets, he hit .417 with more walks than Ks and a couple SBs. Didn't have much time before being injured, but showed quite well. Agreed with PJ. Doesn't outright say drafted solely for his glove. They don't have the concerns about his bat when they draft him, but they do after hitting .417? Make it make sense. The only way the trade ever made sense is if Baez was a player worth signing to an extension. They didn't when they traded for him (luckily in hindsight), and they didn't after he was here
enjoying Scott's recent comments but one thing I will note, he's a baseball consultant now so he does go out of his way to not knock anybody within baseball. For instance, I'd love to know why (in his opinion) the Cubs were able to unlock PCA's bat (and almost immediately) and the Mets weren't.
- Found it somewhat interesting hearing him acknowledge they basically knew deGrom was done for the season
- He also talked about David Stearns and admitted he didn't really know him too well but that they had a nice long conversation when Stearns was considering taking the Mets job
- Cash had to be part of the deal as staying under the luxury tax was a mandate
-PCA was ranked their #5 best prospect and they had questions about his bat. He acknowledged the system was very thin/top heavy.
-A 7 player deal was also discussed with the Cubs
-They did know about deGrom's health status, it wasn't 100% clear he was done for the year but the possibility existed
-Even at the time he felt it was a "net negative" long term deal even at the time but not a major one.
-Credits PCA and the Cubs staff with helping him develop his bat.
Small sample size, but in 6 games in A ball with the Mets, he hit .417 with more walks than Ks and a couple SBs. Didn't have much time before being injured, but showed quite well. Agreed with PJ. Doesn't outright say drafted solely for his glove. They don't have the concerns about his bat when they draft him, but they do after hitting .417? Make it make sense. The only way the trade ever made sense is if Baez was a player worth signing to an extension. They didn't when they traded for him (luckily in hindsight), and they didn't after he was here
From when the trade was made
"The cost for acquiring this pair was not insignificant, but it’s nothing the Mets can’t weather. The 19-year-old Crow-Armstrong was the 19th pick of the 2020 draft out of Los Angeles’ Harvard-Westlake High School, and was sixth on the Mets’ prospect list, with a 45 FV. He had only just begun his professional career, playing six games for the team’s A-level Port St. Lucie affiliate before tearing his labrum and damaging articular cartilage in his right (non-throwing shoulder), requiring season-ending surgery. Both his hit tool and his power grade out as average, not plus, but he’s a 60-grade runner and a 70+-grade defender. As Kevin Goldstein summarized, “He’s a potential impact defender with enough bat to play every day and hit seventh, or maybe second on a bad team.”"
The 19th overall pick in last year’s draft, Crow-Armstrong got off to a 10-for-24 start this season at Low-A St. Lucie before suffering a torn labrum in his left (non-throwing) shoulder that required season-ending surgery. He ranked as the Mets No. 6 prospect in their midseason update. Crow-Armstrong is an elite defensive center fielder for his age. He is a graceful athlete with plus speed who glides to the ball and makes the position look easy. He has elite instincts, plays fast and has a plus arm, giving him all the tools to be a perennial Gold Glove defender in the future. At the plate Crow-Armstrong takes controlled, mature at-bats, doesn’t have many holes in his swing and uses the whole field, but he doesn’t hit the ball very hard and has a lot of strength gains he needs to make. He has room to get more physical and add power, but it will be a long process. Crow-Armstrong’s speed, defense and instincts are carrying assets that should help him rise to the majors. Even if he just hits .250 with 10-15 home runs, he’ll be an everyday regular in center field.
I'm not defending the Mets, but yeah the word was his bat was only "okay" and his glove was A++
enjoying Scott's recent comments but one thing I will note, he's a baseball consultant now so he does go out of his way to not knock anybody within baseball. For instance, I'd love to know why (in his opinion) the Cubs were able to unlock PCA's bat (and almost immediately) and the Mets weren't.
- Found it somewhat interesting hearing him acknowledge they basically knew deGrom was done for the season
- He also talked about David Stearns and admitted he didn't really know him too well but that they had a nice long conversation when Stearns was considering taking the Mets job
-Spoke very highly of Mendoza
The Mets weren't able to unlock PCA's bat? He played 6 games for them.
enjoying Scott's recent comments but one thing I will note, he's a baseball consultant now so he does go out of his way to not knock anybody within baseball. For instance, I'd love to know why (in his opinion) the Cubs were able to unlock PCA's bat (and almost immediately) and the Mets weren't.
- Found it somewhat interesting hearing him acknowledge they basically knew deGrom was done for the season
- He also talked about David Stearns and admitted he didn't really know him too well but that they had a nice long conversation when Stearns was considering taking the Mets job
-Spoke very highly of Mendoza
The Mets weren't able to unlock PCA's bat? He played 6 games for them.
?? He flat out said the Cubs made significant swing changes. Are you disagreeing with him? Because I'm not the one who said it.
"As an amateur, Crow-Armstrong had a contact-oriented approach at the plate that yielded line drives to all fields but not much home run power. After he switched organizations, Chicago helped him upgrade his left-handed stroke. He holds his hands higher and keeps his swing on plane longer, enabling him to pull and lift balls more easily."
"When the Mets made Crow-Armstrong the 19th overall pick in the 2020 Draft -- three selections after the Cubs took local high school shortstop Ed Howard -- the Harvard-Westlake School (Los Angeles) product was regarded a quality center fielder with plus speed but came with some questions about his offensive upside. That's no longer the case."
So yeah, Scott's statements 100% fit within the facts. Doesn't change it was a bad trade.
but if im remembering right that was the middle year with no DH so the mets couldnt get him. he undoubtedly would have cost less than PCA and had the mets extended him the vogelbach trade never happens.
but the past is the past. that's the type of breakage you have when your FO constantly turns over. the endy/luchessi trade may have been even worse (i think that was done porters last day as GM).
thankfully cohen can outspend mistakes like that. buying acuna, gilbert, clifford, and rodriguez last deadline for free agents they gave up 0 compensation for hopefully puts us ahead of the game.
PCA trade was horrendous at the time and looks even worse now. We all knew deGrom was done for the year and the Mets ignored it. Scott even says they knew it was a possibility yet then tried to make an "all in" move.
If we look at the thread from when he was traded I bet 90% of us disagreed with it at the time.
enjoying Scott's recent comments but one thing I will note, he's a baseball consultant now so he does go out of his way to not knock anybody within baseball. For instance, I'd love to know why (in his opinion) the Cubs were able to unlock PCA's bat (and almost immediately) and the Mets weren't.
- Found it somewhat interesting hearing him acknowledge they basically knew deGrom was done for the season
- He also talked about David Stearns and admitted he didn't really know him too well but that they had a nice long conversation when Stearns was considering taking the Mets job
-Spoke very highly of Mendoza
The Mets weren't able to unlock PCA's bat? He played 6 games for them.
?? He flat out said the Cubs made significant swing changes. Are you disagreeing with him? Because I'm not the one who said it.
Yes, I disagree with him in trying to justify this trade to salvage his career or whatever his goal is. They traded a recent first round pick for a mediocre rental player when they didn't have much realistic hope of going far that year. Fine, PCA wasn't projected to be top 10 prospect worthy. But even with an exceptional glove at CF, his speed, and hitting .250 with 15 HR, that is a very valuable player.
The only way the deal made sense was signing Baez to a long-term deal. They didn't and he clearly wasn't a player worth signing to a long-term deal. So, they gave up one of the top prospects in the system for what exactly? Oh, but that's ok because the Mets would have sucked in developing him? Scott's a clown.
RE: you know what sucks? that same deadline schwarber got dealt cheap
but if im remembering right that was the middle year with no DH so the mets couldnt get him. he undoubtedly would have cost less than PCA and had the mets extended him the vogelbach trade never happens.
but the past is the past. that's the type of breakage you have when your FO constantly turns over. the endy/luchessi trade may have been even worse (i think that was done porters last day as GM).
thankfully cohen can outspend mistakes like that. buying acuna, gilbert, clifford, and rodriguez last deadline for free agents they gave up 0 compensation for hopefully puts us ahead of the game.
I legitimately have never heard of the guy they traded Schwarber for. Aldo Ramirez? That was his final season in baseball (not kidding).
PCA trade was horrendous at the time and looks even worse now. We all knew deGrom was done for the year and the Mets ignored it. Scott even says they knew it was a possibility yet then tried to make an "all in" move.
If we look at the thread from when he was traded I bet 90% of us disagreed with it at the time.
He said at the time they knew it was probably a net negative long term move but didn't feel it was strongly one. Acknowledged they knew deGrom was probably not going to pitch again, which is more of a ?? because the only pitching they add was Williams/Rich Hill.
RE: you know what sucks? that same deadline schwarber got dealt cheap
but if im remembering right that was the middle year with no DH so the mets couldnt get him. he undoubtedly would have cost less than PCA and had the mets extended him the vogelbach trade never happens.
but the past is the past. that's the type of breakage you have when your FO constantly turns over. the endy/luchessi trade may have been even worse (i think that was done porters last day as GM).
thankfully cohen can outspend mistakes like that. buying acuna, gilbert, clifford, and rodriguez last deadline for free agents they gave up 0 compensation for hopefully puts us ahead of the game.
Endy was lower rated than PCA, and at least Luchessi has been a cost-controlled backend rotation starter for the Mets for a couple years.
RE: RE: you know what sucks? that same deadline schwarber got dealt cheap
but if im remembering right that was the middle year with no DH so the mets couldnt get him. he undoubtedly would have cost less than PCA and had the mets extended him the vogelbach trade never happens.
but the past is the past. that's the type of breakage you have when your FO constantly turns over. the endy/luchessi trade may have been even worse (i think that was done porters last day as GM).
thankfully cohen can outspend mistakes like that. buying acuna, gilbert, clifford, and rodriguez last deadline for free agents they gave up 0 compensation for hopefully puts us ahead of the game.
Endy was lower rated than PCA, and at least Luchessi has been a cost-controlled backend rotation starter for the Mets for a couple years.
im not saying it was predictable, just that the outcome was arguably just as bad or worse.
again the biggest thing everyone likes to forget is that PCA had the shoulder surgery which was a total unknown. that's not an insignificant injury for a guy whose power was already a major ?.
to the Cubs in a deal headlined by Christopher Morel would be one of the worst trades the Mets have made in recent history. Morel wouldn't crack my top 5 "wants" from the Cubs and I say that as someone who has more of an open mind trading Alonso than some others. Morel's essentially a slightly more versatile Vientos.
Jarrett Seidler
@jaseidler
my favorite running game is the Cubs leaking the most preposterous shit on the planet through the same half a dozen extremely gullible “reporters” and it then being credulously reported throughout baseball thus making it seem like they’re trying way harder than they actually are
to the Cubs in a deal headlined by Christopher Morel would be one of the worst trades the Mets have made in recent history. Morel wouldn't crack my top 5 "wants" from the Cubs and I say that as someone who has more of an open mind trading Alonso than some others. Morel's essentially a slightly more versatile Vientos.
Any Alonso to Mets deal starts with Horton and getting PCA back haha.
listening to the Zack Scott interview and his non mets thoughts are
really interesting. as an analytics guy he thinks teams have too many people in analytics at this point to negative detriment.
for PJ - he consults with hockey teams too and says he thinks hockey is about 20 years behind baseball in terms of using analytics lol. having some first hand experience with the league office i buy that.
i feel like scott came off better in that 1 interview than he ever did as met gm. but i guess that year was basically his first year dealing with the media in a significant manner.
as a position player soto being 5 years younger than ohtani is a bigger deal i think than with pitchers since age doesnt seem to matter quite as much. TJS in particular seems to have no age preference. if anything the younger/harder throwing guys seem to get it more than older lower velocity so you might even say yamamoto is higher risk.
the cost of acquisition may suck but my offseason plan A would probably be all in on Soto and then happy with any of those 3.
if for some reason they have big concerns on both nola/snell then maybe you go for montgomery + higher level 2/3rd arms like flaherty/lugo/imanaga.
@MarinoMLB
Sources tell @AzoulayHaron
and I that the Mets and Rays had substantial talks about OF Manuel Margot leading up to yesterdays 6 p.m. ET 40-man Rule 5 draft protection deadline. Something to keep tabs on moving forward as the Mets ponder potential offseason offensive upgrades.
i would imagine this would have been a salary dump + minor asset bribe. margot is $10m and 11% of the rays current payroll. he was worth .4 fwar last year so that is an under water contract.
i expect margot would have been an expensive 4th OFer or maybe Marte insurance. his OF range is still 80th percentile and his sprint speed is 75th percentile. been around forever but still just 29 years old.
sort of reminiscent of eppler year 1 when the black friday news broke on canha/marte/escobar. those 3 were all very out of nowhere.
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Michael Marino
@MarinoMLB
Sources tell @AzoulayHaron
and I that the Mets and Rays had substantial talks about OF Manuel Margot leading up to yesterdays 6 p.m. ET 40-man Rule 5 draft protection deadline. Something to keep tabs on moving forward as the Mets ponder potential offseason offensive upgrades.
i would imagine this would have been a salary dump + minor asset bribe. margot is $10m and 11% of the rays current payroll. he was worth .4 fwar last year so that is an under water contract.
i expect margot would have been an expensive 4th OFer or maybe Marte insurance. his OF range is still 80th percentile and his sprint speed is 75th percentile. been around forever but still just 29 years old.
defensive numbers have cratered and he's owed 12 million. His OPS vs. lefties was .665, in what scenario would we want him out there? He's mediocre.
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Was there any benefit in not adding some of those Pitchers to the 40-man ?? I know Coleman Crow had surgery, but why did they risk him ? Why risk losing Suarez, Orze, or even Brendan Hardy?
Mets Merized says that the Mets 40-man currently has 33 players. The space was available, why not hold on to every Pitcher with any promising stuff ?
The Braves 40 is full, yet they claimed Penn Murfee. Will they have to put him back on waivers today ?
Braves waived Yonny Chirinos in order to claim Murfee.
The "advantage" is keeping a 40 man spot open. They seemingly will have 10+ of them come Friday. They gambled with Murfee and the Braves may have made them pay.
Watch Murfee come back to haunt the Mets next year. The Metsiest thing ever.
Yeah, if Penn Murfee throws even One Pitch for the Braves, I'll go ape-shit !!
Good Pitching is expensive. If one of these Mets' kids develops and gives a few years of cost-controlled innings...ouch !!
@AzoulayHaron
The Yankees and Rays have been in touch regarding outfielder Manuel Margot, multiple sources tell @MLBNerds
. While a deal was not struck prior to the 6 PM Rule 5 deadline yesterday, Margot may still be an option for NYY, with other teams also in touch with TB regarding Margot.
@enosarris
Looks like Buddy Carlyle, who was the minor league pitching coordinator let go from the Angels just recently, has already been snapped up. He's the pitching coordinator for the Rays now. In terms of PD reputation, that's a big jump up, kind of interesting.
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Michael Marino
@MarinoMLB
Sources tell @AzoulayHaron
and I that the Mets and Rays had substantial talks about OF Manuel Margot leading up to yesterdays 6 p.m. ET 40-man Rule 5 draft protection deadline. Something to keep tabs on moving forward as the Mets ponder potential offseason offensive upgrades.
i would imagine this would have been a salary dump + minor asset bribe. margot is $10m and 11% of the rays current payroll. he was worth .4 fwar last year so that is an under water contract.
i expect margot would have been an expensive 4th OFer or maybe Marte insurance. his OF range is still 80th percentile and his sprint speed is 75th percentile. been around forever but still just 29 years old.
defensive numbers have cratered and he's owed 12 million. His OPS vs. lefties was .665, in what scenario would we want him out there? He's mediocre.
in the scenario where they are getting back some kind of asset that makes it worth it, like i said, and if it's off the bench in place of time that went to whoever this year's locastro or ortega would have been. the contract is obviously under water.
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Very good interview with the Nerds. A Vulcan Change-Up. Shapes and Angles.
Brooks may have a future as a Pitching Coach after he hangs 'em up.
@JeffPassan
Big news: Major League Baseball's competition committee has proposed reducing the pitch clock with runners on base from 20 seconds to 18 seconds, sources tell ESPN. The new rule could be implemented in time for the 2024 season. Details free at ESPN:.
@JeffPassan
Big news: Major League Baseball's competition committee has proposed reducing the pitch clock with runners on base from 20 seconds to 18 seconds, sources tell ESPN. The new rule could be implemented in time for the 2024 season. Details free at ESPN:.
I still despise the pitch clock.
believes that Yoshinobu Yamamoto has a 'preference' for the west coast 👀
Or do you think he's cooked and it's already an albatross contract that will only get worse?
Or do you think he's cooked and it's already an albatross contract that will only get worse?
No
believes that Yoshinobu Yamamoto has a 'preference' for the west coast 👀
But what are his realistic options there? The Giants and the Dodgers are the only ones. Let's say Ohtani signs with the Dodgers. Will they then ALSO go for YY? I have no idea about the Giants'spending habits. The Padres are broke, the A's are moving, and the Angels are weird. Seattle is the last one. They could easily be an option, but again, how much are they willing to spend?
Isn't is being reported that YY would like to be in a major market? Seattle ain't exactly that. The Dodgers are the only ones I fear getting YY if they strike out on Ohtani. IF they do, then I'm not so concerned. Sounds like the agent is drumming up interest in a big bidding war to me. The Yankees and the Mets seem to be the best fits though IMO. This is gonna be fascinating. Maybe not LeBron level, but fascinating nonetheless to follow.
He would take that team to another level. They're already pretty close. Dave Dombrowski has done a heckuva job there.
Interesting. Guess we're all waiting to see which domino is the first to fall at this point.
Seattle adding Bolton for cash
Mets picking up Murfee until...
Braves sniping the Mets
Rays picking up Alexander off of waivers
Padres picking up Estrada off of waivers
Braves picking up Pedromo off of waivers
Sorry for the non sequitur. Had to get that off my chest.
-PCA was ranked their #5 best prospect and they had questions about his bat. He acknowledged the system was very thin/top heavy.
-A 7 player deal was also discussed with the Cubs
-They did know about deGrom's health status, it wasn't 100% clear he was done for the year but the possibility existed
-Even at the time he felt it was a "net negative" long term deal even at the time but not a major one.
-Credits PCA and the Cubs staff with helping him develop his bat.
He didn't say that outright, but he credited the Cubs and PCA with the changes he made to his swing.
-PCA was ranked their #5 best prospect and they had questions about his bat. He acknowledged the system was very thin/top heavy.
-A 7 player deal was also discussed with the Cubs
-They did know about deGrom's health status, it wasn't 100% clear he was done for the year but the possibility existed
-Even at the time he felt it was a "net negative" long term deal even at the time but not a major one.
-Credits PCA and the Cubs staff with helping him develop his bat.
the other thing about PCA at that time is he was out for year with shoulder surgery and you never know how a player will bounce back from that. conforto just had the lowest power year of his career. that as a total unknown/risk any trading team was taking.
was also almost untested so recently drafted so it was almost like if the mets were to deal Houck this offseason, and he were to have some kind of significant injury on top of that.
i think that deal may have come down to a choice between matt allan and pca and the mets just chose the wrong injured guy.
the bigger issue with the deal was that baez ended up not being someone they extended (fortunately). had he been the .850+ ops 4/5 hitter behind alonso they still havent found (and a GG at 2b) that would have been a good trade. would he have continued hitting well here or tanked like he has in detroit? no idea but he is clearly a guy that needs to be in a good line up or else he expands the zone to an unhealthy level. that was true in chicago and now detroit where his contract looks as bad or worse than marte.
-PCA was ranked their #5 best prospect and they had questions about his bat. He acknowledged the system was very thin/top heavy.
-A 7 player deal was also discussed with the Cubs
-They did know about deGrom's health status, it wasn't 100% clear he was done for the year but the possibility existed
-Even at the time he felt it was a "net negative" long term deal even at the time but not a major one.
-Credits PCA and the Cubs staff with helping him develop his bat.
Small sample size, but in 6 games in A ball with the Mets, he hit .417 with more walks than Ks and a couple SBs. Didn't have much time before being injured, but showed quite well. Agreed with PJ. Doesn't outright say drafted solely for his glove. They don't have the concerns about his bat when they draft him, but they do after hitting .417? Make it make sense. The only way the trade ever made sense is if Baez was a player worth signing to an extension. They didn't when they traded for him (luckily in hindsight), and they didn't after he was here
- Found it somewhat interesting hearing him acknowledge they basically knew deGrom was done for the season
- He also talked about David Stearns and admitted he didn't really know him too well but that they had a nice long conversation when Stearns was considering taking the Mets job
-Spoke very highly of Mendoza
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- Cash had to be part of the deal as staying under the luxury tax was a mandate
-PCA was ranked their #5 best prospect and they had questions about his bat. He acknowledged the system was very thin/top heavy.
-A 7 player deal was also discussed with the Cubs
-They did know about deGrom's health status, it wasn't 100% clear he was done for the year but the possibility existed
-Even at the time he felt it was a "net negative" long term deal even at the time but not a major one.
-Credits PCA and the Cubs staff with helping him develop his bat.
Small sample size, but in 6 games in A ball with the Mets, he hit .417 with more walks than Ks and a couple SBs. Didn't have much time before being injured, but showed quite well. Agreed with PJ. Doesn't outright say drafted solely for his glove. They don't have the concerns about his bat when they draft him, but they do after hitting .417? Make it make sense. The only way the trade ever made sense is if Baez was a player worth signing to an extension. They didn't when they traded for him (luckily in hindsight), and they didn't after he was here
From when the trade was made
"The cost for acquiring this pair was not insignificant, but it’s nothing the Mets can’t weather. The 19-year-old Crow-Armstrong was the 19th pick of the 2020 draft out of Los Angeles’ Harvard-Westlake High School, and was sixth on the Mets’ prospect list, with a 45 FV. He had only just begun his professional career, playing six games for the team’s A-level Port St. Lucie affiliate before tearing his labrum and damaging articular cartilage in his right (non-throwing shoulder), requiring season-ending surgery. Both his hit tool and his power grade out as average, not plus, but he’s a 60-grade runner and a 70+-grade defender. As Kevin Goldstein summarized, “He’s a potential impact defender with enough bat to play every day and hit seventh, or maybe second on a bad team.”"
So his statement isn't exactly untrue
Age: 19
The 19th overall pick in last year’s draft, Crow-Armstrong got off to a 10-for-24 start this season at Low-A St. Lucie before suffering a torn labrum in his left (non-throwing) shoulder that required season-ending surgery. He ranked as the Mets No. 6 prospect in their midseason update. Crow-Armstrong is an elite defensive center fielder for his age. He is a graceful athlete with plus speed who glides to the ball and makes the position look easy. He has elite instincts, plays fast and has a plus arm, giving him all the tools to be a perennial Gold Glove defender in the future. At the plate Crow-Armstrong takes controlled, mature at-bats, doesn’t have many holes in his swing and uses the whole field, but he doesn’t hit the ball very hard and has a lot of strength gains he needs to make. He has room to get more physical and add power, but it will be a long process. Crow-Armstrong’s speed, defense and instincts are carrying assets that should help him rise to the majors. Even if he just hits .250 with 10-15 home runs, he’ll be an everyday regular in center field.
I'm not defending the Mets, but yeah the word was his bat was only "okay" and his glove was A++
- Found it somewhat interesting hearing him acknowledge they basically knew deGrom was done for the season
- He also talked about David Stearns and admitted he didn't really know him too well but that they had a nice long conversation when Stearns was considering taking the Mets job
-Spoke very highly of Mendoza
The Mets weren't able to unlock PCA's bat? He played 6 games for them.
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enjoying Scott's recent comments but one thing I will note, he's a baseball consultant now so he does go out of his way to not knock anybody within baseball. For instance, I'd love to know why (in his opinion) the Cubs were able to unlock PCA's bat (and almost immediately) and the Mets weren't.
- Found it somewhat interesting hearing him acknowledge they basically knew deGrom was done for the season
- He also talked about David Stearns and admitted he didn't really know him too well but that they had a nice long conversation when Stearns was considering taking the Mets job
-Spoke very highly of Mendoza
The Mets weren't able to unlock PCA's bat? He played 6 games for them.
?? He flat out said the Cubs made significant swing changes. Are you disagreeing with him? Because I'm not the one who said it.
"When the Mets made Crow-Armstrong the 19th overall pick in the 2020 Draft -- three selections after the Cubs took local high school shortstop Ed Howard -- the Harvard-Westlake School (Los Angeles) product was regarded a quality center fielder with plus speed but came with some questions about his offensive upside. That's no longer the case."
So yeah, Scott's statements 100% fit within the facts. Doesn't change it was a bad trade.
Rogers is the same reporter who said Alonso wanted to be traded to the Cubs..
but the past is the past. that's the type of breakage you have when your FO constantly turns over. the endy/luchessi trade may have been even worse (i think that was done porters last day as GM).
thankfully cohen can outspend mistakes like that. buying acuna, gilbert, clifford, and rodriguez last deadline for free agents they gave up 0 compensation for hopefully puts us ahead of the game.
If we look at the thread from when he was traded I bet 90% of us disagreed with it at the time.
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enjoying Scott's recent comments but one thing I will note, he's a baseball consultant now so he does go out of his way to not knock anybody within baseball. For instance, I'd love to know why (in his opinion) the Cubs were able to unlock PCA's bat (and almost immediately) and the Mets weren't.
- Found it somewhat interesting hearing him acknowledge they basically knew deGrom was done for the season
- He also talked about David Stearns and admitted he didn't really know him too well but that they had a nice long conversation when Stearns was considering taking the Mets job
-Spoke very highly of Mendoza
The Mets weren't able to unlock PCA's bat? He played 6 games for them.
?? He flat out said the Cubs made significant swing changes. Are you disagreeing with him? Because I'm not the one who said it.
Yes, I disagree with him in trying to justify this trade to salvage his career or whatever his goal is. They traded a recent first round pick for a mediocre rental player when they didn't have much realistic hope of going far that year. Fine, PCA wasn't projected to be top 10 prospect worthy. But even with an exceptional glove at CF, his speed, and hitting .250 with 15 HR, that is a very valuable player.
The only way the deal made sense was signing Baez to a long-term deal. They didn't and he clearly wasn't a player worth signing to a long-term deal. So, they gave up one of the top prospects in the system for what exactly? Oh, but that's ok because the Mets would have sucked in developing him? Scott's a clown.
but the past is the past. that's the type of breakage you have when your FO constantly turns over. the endy/luchessi trade may have been even worse (i think that was done porters last day as GM).
thankfully cohen can outspend mistakes like that. buying acuna, gilbert, clifford, and rodriguez last deadline for free agents they gave up 0 compensation for hopefully puts us ahead of the game.
I legitimately have never heard of the guy they traded Schwarber for. Aldo Ramirez? That was his final season in baseball (not kidding).
If we look at the thread from when he was traded I bet 90% of us disagreed with it at the time.
He said at the time they knew it was probably a net negative long term move but didn't feel it was strongly one. Acknowledged they knew deGrom was probably not going to pitch again, which is more of a ?? because the only pitching they add was Williams/Rich Hill.
but the past is the past. that's the type of breakage you have when your FO constantly turns over. the endy/luchessi trade may have been even worse (i think that was done porters last day as GM).
thankfully cohen can outspend mistakes like that. buying acuna, gilbert, clifford, and rodriguez last deadline for free agents they gave up 0 compensation for hopefully puts us ahead of the game.
Endy was lower rated than PCA, and at least Luchessi has been a cost-controlled backend rotation starter for the Mets for a couple years.
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but if im remembering right that was the middle year with no DH so the mets couldnt get him. he undoubtedly would have cost less than PCA and had the mets extended him the vogelbach trade never happens.
but the past is the past. that's the type of breakage you have when your FO constantly turns over. the endy/luchessi trade may have been even worse (i think that was done porters last day as GM).
thankfully cohen can outspend mistakes like that. buying acuna, gilbert, clifford, and rodriguez last deadline for free agents they gave up 0 compensation for hopefully puts us ahead of the game.
Endy was lower rated than PCA, and at least Luchessi has been a cost-controlled backend rotation starter for the Mets for a couple years.
im not saying it was predictable, just that the outcome was arguably just as bad or worse.
again the biggest thing everyone likes to forget is that PCA had the shoulder surgery which was a total unknown. that's not an insignificant injury for a guy whose power was already a major ?.
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my favorite running game is the Cubs leaking the most preposterous shit on the planet through the same half a dozen extremely gullible “reporters” and it then being credulously reported throughout baseball thus making it seem like they’re trying way harder than they actually are
Any Alonso to Mets deal starts with Horton and getting PCA back haha.
for PJ - he consults with hockey teams too and says he thinks hockey is about 20 years behind baseball in terms of using analytics lol. having some first hand experience with the league office i buy that.
i feel like scott came off better in that 1 interview than he ever did as met gm. but i guess that year was basically his first year dealing with the media in a significant manner.