you two deserve battle pay for rewatching this mess. The one question I have regards Dex, it looked to me that he was doubled even tripled more than usual but only watching the TV bcast, I couldn’t confirm that.
Completely agree with Sy on Hyatt. It's crazy how many times he has been open for big plays but underthrown. He must be so frustrated to have been drafted by this team. If he had been drafted by KC, he might be in the running for OROY
Completely agree with Sy on Hyatt. It's crazy how many times he has been open for big plays but underthrown. He must be so frustrated to have been drafted by this team. If he had been drafted by KC, he might be in the running for OROY
Actually Jones overthrew him badly on one of his deep throws,IIRC.
Has looked terrible since he was entrusted with the No. 1 corner role. I admire the follows receivers to either side of the field, but it may be a situation where it’s too much too soon.
RE: The team may need to make a business decision and move on from
What disappoints me now is watching how some (not all) members of the media and some (not all) members of the NYG organization cannot seem to maintain integrity and respect for the people that provide the money that allow them to work in football for a living. Made up stories. Trashing a player for spending time with his family. Lame attempts late on a Monday night to act in a condescending manner to fans on X. Yes, all are signs of a losing franchise (an all-time losing team and run of losing teams) but the character of some of these guys can be tough to look past. Break the game down, agree of disagree respectfully, keep the other stuff out. You know who you are, too.
Yup, loved that call out.
What this team needs to do the remainder of the year is survive
Lose out, but survive. The media and the like will do everything in their power to not make it easy. They'll provoke and try to stir up as much shit as possible. Some fans will do the same, but for different reasons. It's a mess, we get it, and is going to be here on out. Finding new and novel ways ways to express outrage isn't going to help any.
Has looked terrible since he was entrusted with the No. 1 corner role. I admire the follows receivers to either side of the field, but it may be a situation where it’s too much too soon.
-Speaking of breeding experience for the sake of potential future gains, Jalin Hyatt had just one target again. It is the fifth time he has had 1 or less targets in a game.
Banks was pointing this out in the radio broadcast during the game. None of the QBs on the roster have experience with playing with Hyatt and his speed, so they are underthrowing him because they just don't know how incredibly fast he is.
Banks said if Hyatt were more involved in preseason and early in the season (instead of putting the scrubs on the roster like Isaiah Hodgins ahead of him) he'd be much more productive now, and opposing defenses would have to account for him.
My opinion here, but not playing Hyatt more and throwing to him more from the beginning of the season was yet another stupid roster mistake by this team. Why draft an absolute game-changing burner (and last year's Belitnekoff winner) and only throw to him once a game. What a waste.
That's exactly what I've been saying. It made no sense to draft him if this is their plan for him. This especially proven true the rare times they do target him. He has shown good route running, good hands, has made contested catches, and the speed is legit. They should be feeding him and Robinson the ball no less than 7 times each. Where are the quick slants top get them the ball on the move?
There is very little to salvage from this year but one thing is the opportunity to evaluate all the rookies/fringe players with proper game time.
To not have a clear view on the potential capabilities of Owens, Riley, Hyatt et al would be gross mismanagement.
I'm not sure why, with Williams gone, we haven't seen a lot of Riley, let alone being inactive. They have some other guys who have played OK this year. But, long term who is more likely to be here?
There is very little to salvage from this year but one thing is the opportunity to evaluate all the rookies/fringe players with proper game time.
To not have a clear view on the potential capabilities of Owens, Riley, Hyatt et al would be gross mismanagement.
I'm not sure why, with Williams gone, we haven't seen a lot of Riley, let alone being inactive. They have some other guys who have played OK this year. But, long term who is more likely to be here?
DJ Davidson is a draft pick, logically he would get the first crack at more playing time than the developmental guy. You can argue that Riley should get more time, but he's behind Robinson and Davidson in the pecking order.
For all the fans on this board, when you see one of our beats post one of these hit piece articles, don't click on them... The more you click, the more you read, the more of these BS articles they write.
Its hard, but the best thing to do is just ignore it...
As for the Dex thing, Art Stapleton is usually pretty good, I'll give him a pass on this one, but others are already writing the "clean house" style articles.
An interior pass rush (3t so to speak) is the biggest need on defense but that is behind the biggest needs on offense which start with QB and then RG. Next biggest needs on defense are a 5t and a power edge since ojulari can't stay healthy and might not come back.
Don't know which beat reporter questioned Lawrence's character for not being in the locker room after the game.
But it was Bob Papa lashing out on Twitter/X last night when fans were alluding to the Maras having too much influence on team management.
I listened to Papa s podcast today, didn’t sound like lashing out. More like frustration that fans can be so adamant about being right, when they are so wrong
Don't know which beat reporter questioned Lawrence's character for not being in the locker room after the game.
But it was Bob Papa lashing out on Twitter/X last night when fans were alluding to the Maras having too much influence on team management.
I listened to Papa s podcast today, didn’t sound like lashing out. More like frustration that fans can be so adamant about being right, when they are so wrong
Pt. Of. clarification that s Papa s perspective, I m not arguing the Mara narrative any more, no point to it.
Bob Papa. He went with the condescending, patronizing theme that is usually reserved for Hanlon and Tim's burner. There's a whole thread on it. Link - ( New Window )
Don't know which beat reporter questioned Lawrence's character for not being in the locker room after the game.
But it was Bob Papa lashing out on Twitter/X last night when fans were alluding to the Maras having too much influence on team management.
I listened to Papa s podcast today, didn’t sound like lashing out. More like frustration that fans can be so adamant about being right, when they are so wrong
Except that Papa isn't any more privy than an average fan when it comes to conversations between the GM and the owner.
I personally have worked in multiple sports front offices (albeit not NFL, but I doubt it's materially different). Precisely zero of them have ever patched the radio guy in for a call/meeting between the GM and the owner about staffing/personnel topics. Papa has no greater visibility into this topic than you or I do.
On top of that, he's flat-out wrong (or lying). Mara fired Reese and McAdoo directly and punitively for their involvement in the Eli fiasco in 2017. What message do you think that sent to Reese and McAdoo's successors? That's absolutely evidence of Mara influencing player personnel decisions. And "we've done everything possible to screw up Daniel" and "we're back!" were just more of the same. And that's just the obvious examples that are on full public display.
Bob is carrying water for the organization. Standard NYG state media tactics.
Bob Papa. He went with the condescending, patronizing theme that is usually reserved for Hanlon and Tim's burner. There's a whole thread on it. Link - ( New Window )
That’s rich coming from you!
Pot meet kettle!
I'm not a team employee. Is that too nuanced for you?
Except that Papa isn't any more privy than an average fan when it comes to conversations between the GM and the owner.
I personally have worked in multiple sports front offices (albeit not NFL, but I doubt it's materially different). Precisely zero of them have ever patched the radio guy in for a call/meeting between the GM and the owner about staffing/personnel topics. Papa has no greater visibility into this topic than you or I do.
On top of that, he's flat-out wrong (or lying). Mara fired Reese and McAdoo directly and punitively for their involvement in the Eli fiasco in 2017. What message do you think that sent to Reese and McAdoo's successors? That's absolutely evidence of Mara influencing player personnel decisions. And "we've done everything possible to screw up Daniel" and "we're back!" were just more of the same. And that's just the obvious examples that are on full public display.
Bob is carrying water for the organization. Standard NYG state media tactics.
While I agree that Papa and Banks are not directly involved in upper management canferences, to say he doesn't know more than the average fan is also not likely true. We have posters that get inside info from time to time. I have to believe that with all the time Papa and Banks have been with NYG, they are privy to some inside info and interaction. They are inside 1925 all the time. I am certain they speak with Mara, Tisch, Schoen all the time.
Schoen has been better on keeping a lid on things than previous GMs, true.
One of the reasons, I love BBI is the preview/reviews. I always appreciate when someone puts the time into these things esp when things are bleak. BBI wouldn't be this good if it weren't for Eric and Sy and all the others who works/worked on the site.
Your game analysis and evaluation, as always , we’re spot on.
There are times this season, when I watch the games I CAN , and trusting that BD is a competent HC; regarding his or Coordinator calls: I wonder if JS and BD knew the team would struggle watching the OL perform poorly during camp, and as injuries occurred, just decided to tank but didn’t tell the players.
and we throw to him only one time? Next week TD should throw to him a minimum of 6 times, even if they're all 50-yard Hail Marys.
No one can reasonably disagree with you, especially in a season that was over a few weeks ago.
Sure you can disagree. Most plays don't give them enough time to go deep and Hyatt has a safety over the top most of the time.
Do you think a receiver needs to already be deep and waiting for the ball for the QB to take a deep shot?
I wouldn't blame you if you did think that way, because it certainly seems that some of the Giants' QBs this year have played that way. But many other teams take shots right on the drop, without waiting for the WR to get deep. The ball is going to be in the air for a couple of seconds - the receiver will keep running during that time, and can adjust to the ball's flight. With Hyatt's speed, that's what the Giants probably should be doing more of, given the state of the OL.
and we throw to him only one time? Next week TD should throw to him a minimum of 6 times, even if they're all 50-yard Hail Marys.
No one can reasonably disagree with you, especially in a season that was over a few weeks ago.
Sure you can disagree. Most plays don't give them enough time to go deep and Hyatt has a safety over the top most of the time.
Do you think a receiver needs to already be deep and waiting for the ball for the QB to take a deep shot?
I wouldn't blame you if you did think that way, because it certainly seems that some of the Giants' QBs this year have played that way. But many other teams take shots right on the drop, without waiting for the WR to get deep. The ball is going to be in the air for a couple of seconds - the receiver will keep running during that time, and can adjust to the ball's flight. With Hyatt's speed, that's what the Giants probably should be doing more of, given the state of the OL.
Correct. It depends on the route. When teams run quick game, it was traditional 3 step drops and the ball is out. You run things like speed outs, slants, and go routes. A deep pass doesn't mean you need to hold the ball long. More difficult routes like post corners, dig routes, etc. take time to develop. Go routes don't.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: To repeat: Hyatt won the Biletnikoff Award
Correct. It depends on the route. When teams run quick game, it was traditional 3 step drops and the ball is out. You run things like speed outs, slants, and go routes. A deep pass doesn't mean you need to hold the ball long. More difficult routes like post corners, dig routes, etc. take time to develop. Go routes don't.
And this is exactly what you don't see Giants QBs do - well TT will at least try to....
for a brief moment it looked like the D might at least try and get stops all year long despite the catastrophic issues on offense. For 3 weeks it looked like maybe the D would hold up. Nope. This is the NY Giants. We don't play great defense here anymore. 11 or 12 years and counting. Can't even count anymore.
Bob Papa. He went with the condescending, patronizing theme that is usually reserved for Hanlon and Tim's burner. There's a whole thread on it. Link - ( New Window )
I didn't see it as condescending--rather Papa was just trying to dismiss any claims that Mara is pulling strings in the personnel dept. Maybe I missed it.
Papa said what he sees and hears. Despite the guy's track record just about everyone here is going to ignore what Papa says simply because he's an NYG employee. If you don't believe the guy, why bother taking him seriously.
I choose to believe him. But that's just me. I also choose to believe the decades of data and evidence that says Mara has some input like any owner does, especially in regards to GM/HC moves, but he's not impacting personnel on a wide scale if at all.
Bob Papa. He went with the condescending, patronizing theme that is usually reserved for Hanlon and Tim's burner. There's a whole thread on it. Link - ( New Window )
I didn't see it as condescending--rather Papa was just trying to dismiss any claims that Mara is pulling strings in the personnel dept. Maybe I missed it.
Papa said what he sees and hears. Despite the guy's track record just about everyone here is going to ignore what Papa says simply because he's an NYG employee. If you don't believe the guy, why bother taking him seriously.
I choose to believe him. But that's just me. I also choose to believe the decades of data and evidence that says Mara has some input like any owner does, especially in regards to GM/HC moves, but he's not impacting personnel on a wide scale if at all.
I will contonue to wait for the exposé...
I'm going to say that as a broadcaster, Papa has no more visibility into the conversations between the owner and GM about personnel issues than do you or I. Never in my career did an owner or GM share their internal staffing/personnel conversations with the fucking radio guy. And if they ever shared them with any members of the media, it was with a purpose and an agenda.
At best, Papa was giving an opinion, just like a fan might. At worst, he was operating in his role as a member of the team's comms dept. And we can ignore the fact that he went all the way back to Wellington letting Young cut Simms and Bavaro, but somehow neglected to mention the HC and GM who got fired in direct punitive response to their involvement in the Eli situation in 2017 - the clearest possible evidence that you could give of an owner demonstrating exactly what he was going to expect from his next GM and HC. But the claim of inside knowledge by itself is ridiculous. The only things he knows as a function of being in the building are the things that he's been told.
And if he's choosing to share that "insider's perspective" on X, it's because that's also one of the things he's been told.
I'm going to say that as a broadcaster, Papa has no more visibility into the conversations between the owner and GM about personnel issues than do you or I. Never in my career did an owner or GM share their internal staffing/personnel conversations with the fucking radio guy. And if they ever shared them with any members of the media, it was with a purpose and an agenda.
At best, Papa was giving an opinion, just like a fan might. At worst, he was operating in his role as a member of the team's comms dept. And we can ignore the fact that he went all the way back to Wellington letting Young cut Simms and Bavaro, but somehow neglected to mention the HC and GM who got fired in direct punitive response to their involvement in the Eli situation in 2017 - the clearest possible evidence that you could give of an owner demonstrating exactly what he was going to expect from his next GM and HC. But the claim of inside knowledge by itself is ridiculous. The only things he knows as a function of being in the building are the things that he's been told.
And if he's choosing to share that "insider's perspective" on X, it's because that's also one of the things he's been told.
As I said on another thread where you said this - I disagree that we in fandom know as much as Papa and Banks. Absolutely Schoen and Mara are not having them sit at the table when they have talks, but they are in the building. They absolutely know more than we do. By osmosis they know more. And I will agree that Papa was probably acting in his roll as commentator in responding to complaints by fans. But to say they don't know more than we keyboard avengers is not believable.
Not for nothing, but the owner has every right to fire the GM and HC. That is not meddling - McAdoo and Reese effed up and they deserved to be fired. (I have always said it was Eli being whiny that caused this). But they presented JM with a plan and then went beyond what was agreed upon. After Eli whined about not wanting to play at all, they should have let JM know what Eli said.
It's not like this is the firs year where it's been this bad.
Actually Jones overthrew him badly on one of his deep throws,IIRC.
I was trying to figure out who that was on the interior because the pressure coming up the A gap was Dex like, you just don't see that.
They've been insufferable. They act like we haven't been dogshit for a decade plus now.
We need the guy from Major League to start calling our games.
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What disappoints me now is watching how some (not all) members of the media and some (not all) members of the NYG organization cannot seem to maintain integrity and respect for the people that provide the money that allow them to work in football for a living. Made up stories. Trashing a player for spending time with his family. Lame attempts late on a Monday night to act in a condescending manner to fans on X. Yes, all are signs of a losing franchise (an all-time losing team and run of losing teams) but the character of some of these guys can be tough to look past. Break the game down, agree of disagree respectfully, keep the other stuff out. You know who you are, too.
Yup, loved that call out.
Get it all out this year. Learn on the job.
Just think,two or three might be completed! 😱
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-Speaking of breeding experience for the sake of potential future gains, Jalin Hyatt had just one target again. It is the fifth time he has had 1 or less targets in a game.
Banks was pointing this out in the radio broadcast during the game. None of the QBs on the roster have experience with playing with Hyatt and his speed, so they are underthrowing him because they just don't know how incredibly fast he is.
Banks said if Hyatt were more involved in preseason and early in the season (instead of putting the scrubs on the roster like Isaiah Hodgins ahead of him) he'd be much more productive now, and opposing defenses would have to account for him.
My opinion here, but not playing Hyatt more and throwing to him more from the beginning of the season was yet another stupid roster mistake by this team. Why draft an absolute game-changing burner (and last year's Belitnekoff winner) and only throw to him once a game. What a waste.
Thanks for the non-emotional, painful analysis.
There is very little to salvage from this year but one thing is the opportunity to evaluate all the rookies/fringe players with proper game time.
To not have a clear view on the potential capabilities of Owens, Riley, Hyatt et al would be gross mismanagement.
There is very little to salvage from this year but one thing is the opportunity to evaluate all the rookies/fringe players with proper game time.
To not have a clear view on the potential capabilities of Owens, Riley, Hyatt et al would be gross mismanagement.
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Great review as ever.
There is very little to salvage from this year but one thing is the opportunity to evaluate all the rookies/fringe players with proper game time.
To not have a clear view on the potential capabilities of Owens, Riley, Hyatt et al would be gross mismanagement.
I'm not sure why, with Williams gone, we haven't seen a lot of Riley, let alone being inactive. They have some other guys who have played OK this year. But, long term who is more likely to be here?
DJ Davidson is a draft pick, logically he would get the first crack at more playing time than the developmental guy. You can argue that Riley should get more time, but he's behind Robinson and Davidson in the pecking order.
Its hard, but the best thing to do is just ignore it...
As for the Dex thing, Art Stapleton is usually pretty good, I'll give him a pass on this one, but others are already writing the "clean house" style articles.
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Who are they?
Don't know which beat reporter questioned Lawrence's character for not being in the locker room after the game.
But it was Bob Papa lashing out on Twitter/X last night when fans were alluding to the Maras having too much influence on team management.
I listened to Papa s podcast today, didn’t sound like lashing out. More like frustration that fans can be so adamant about being right, when they are so wrong
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"You know who you are"
Who are they?
Don't know which beat reporter questioned Lawrence's character for not being in the locker room after the game.
But it was Bob Papa lashing out on Twitter/X last night when fans were alluding to the Maras having too much influence on team management.
I listened to Papa s podcast today, didn’t sound like lashing out. More like frustration that fans can be so adamant about being right, when they are so wrong
Pt. Of. clarification that s Papa s perspective, I m not arguing the Mara narrative any more, no point to it.
Bob Papa. He went with the condescending, patronizing theme that is usually reserved for Hanlon and Tim's burner. There's a whole thread on it.
Link - ( New Window )
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lashing out at fans on X?
Bob Papa. He went with the condescending, patronizing theme that is usually reserved for Hanlon and Tim's burner. There's a whole thread on it. Link - ( New Window )
That’s rich coming from you!
Pot meet kettle!
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"You know who you are"
Who are they?
Don't know which beat reporter questioned Lawrence's character for not being in the locker room after the game.
But it was Bob Papa lashing out on Twitter/X last night when fans were alluding to the Maras having too much influence on team management.
I listened to Papa s podcast today, didn’t sound like lashing out. More like frustration that fans can be so adamant about being right, when they are so wrong
Except that Papa isn't any more privy than an average fan when it comes to conversations between the GM and the owner.
I personally have worked in multiple sports front offices (albeit not NFL, but I doubt it's materially different). Precisely zero of them have ever patched the radio guy in for a call/meeting between the GM and the owner about staffing/personnel topics. Papa has no greater visibility into this topic than you or I do.
On top of that, he's flat-out wrong (or lying). Mara fired Reese and McAdoo directly and punitively for their involvement in the Eli fiasco in 2017. What message do you think that sent to Reese and McAdoo's successors? That's absolutely evidence of Mara influencing player personnel decisions. And "we've done everything possible to screw up Daniel" and "we're back!" were just more of the same. And that's just the obvious examples that are on full public display.
Bob is carrying water for the organization. Standard NYG state media tactics.
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lashing out at fans on X?
Bob Papa. He went with the condescending, patronizing theme that is usually reserved for Hanlon and Tim's burner. There's a whole thread on it. Link - ( New Window )
That’s rich coming from you!
Pot meet kettle!
I'm not a team employee. Is that too nuanced for you?
Except that Papa isn't any more privy than an average fan when it comes to conversations between the GM and the owner.
I personally have worked in multiple sports front offices (albeit not NFL, but I doubt it's materially different). Precisely zero of them have ever patched the radio guy in for a call/meeting between the GM and the owner about staffing/personnel topics. Papa has no greater visibility into this topic than you or I do.
On top of that, he's flat-out wrong (or lying). Mara fired Reese and McAdoo directly and punitively for their involvement in the Eli fiasco in 2017. What message do you think that sent to Reese and McAdoo's successors? That's absolutely evidence of Mara influencing player personnel decisions. And "we've done everything possible to screw up Daniel" and "we're back!" were just more of the same. And that's just the obvious examples that are on full public display.
Bob is carrying water for the organization. Standard NYG state media tactics.
While I agree that Papa and Banks are not directly involved in upper management canferences, to say he doesn't know more than the average fan is also not likely true. We have posters that get inside info from time to time. I have to believe that with all the time Papa and Banks have been with NYG, they are privy to some inside info and interaction. They are inside 1925 all the time. I am certain they speak with Mara, Tisch, Schoen all the time.
Schoen has been better on keeping a lid on things than previous GMs, true.
No one can reasonably disagree with you, especially in a season that was over a few weeks ago.
There are times this season, when I watch the games I CAN , and trusting that BD is a competent HC; regarding his or Coordinator calls: I wonder if JS and BD knew the team would struggle watching the OL perform poorly during camp, and as injuries occurred, just decided to tank but didn’t tell the players.
Thanks for playing hard and focusing on your assignments every week, Sy.
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and we throw to him only one time? Next week TD should throw to him a minimum of 6 times, even if they're all 50-yard Hail Marys.
No one can reasonably disagree with you, especially in a season that was over a few weeks ago.
Sure you can disagree. Most plays don't give them enough time to go deep and Hyatt has a safety over the top most of the time.
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and we throw to him only one time? Next week TD should throw to him a minimum of 6 times, even if they're all 50-yard Hail Marys.
No one can reasonably disagree with you, especially in a season that was over a few weeks ago.
Sure you can disagree. Most plays don't give them enough time to go deep and Hyatt has a safety over the top most of the time.
Do you think a receiver needs to already be deep and waiting for the ball for the QB to take a deep shot?
I wouldn't blame you if you did think that way, because it certainly seems that some of the Giants' QBs this year have played that way. But many other teams take shots right on the drop, without waiting for the WR to get deep. The ball is going to be in the air for a couple of seconds - the receiver will keep running during that time, and can adjust to the ball's flight. With Hyatt's speed, that's what the Giants probably should be doing more of, given the state of the OL.
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and we throw to him only one time? Next week TD should throw to him a minimum of 6 times, even if they're all 50-yard Hail Marys.
No one can reasonably disagree with you, especially in a season that was over a few weeks ago.
Sure you can disagree. Most plays don't give them enough time to go deep and Hyatt has a safety over the top most of the time.
Do you think a receiver needs to already be deep and waiting for the ball for the QB to take a deep shot?
I wouldn't blame you if you did think that way, because it certainly seems that some of the Giants' QBs this year have played that way. But many other teams take shots right on the drop, without waiting for the WR to get deep. The ball is going to be in the air for a couple of seconds - the receiver will keep running during that time, and can adjust to the ball's flight. With Hyatt's speed, that's what the Giants probably should be doing more of, given the state of the OL.
Correct. It depends on the route. When teams run quick game, it was traditional 3 step drops and the ball is out. You run things like speed outs, slants, and go routes. A deep pass doesn't mean you need to hold the ball long. More difficult routes like post corners, dig routes, etc. take time to develop. Go routes don't.
Correct. It depends on the route. When teams run quick game, it was traditional 3 step drops and the ball is out. You run things like speed outs, slants, and go routes. A deep pass doesn't mean you need to hold the ball long. More difficult routes like post corners, dig routes, etc. take time to develop. Go routes don't.
And this is exactly what you don't see Giants QBs do - well TT will at least try to....
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lashing out at fans on X?
Bob Papa. He went with the condescending, patronizing theme that is usually reserved for Hanlon and Tim's burner. There's a whole thread on it. Link - ( New Window )
I didn't see it as condescending--rather Papa was just trying to dismiss any claims that Mara is pulling strings in the personnel dept. Maybe I missed it.
Papa said what he sees and hears. Despite the guy's track record just about everyone here is going to ignore what Papa says simply because he's an NYG employee. If you don't believe the guy, why bother taking him seriously.
I choose to believe him. But that's just me. I also choose to believe the decades of data and evidence that says Mara has some input like any owner does, especially in regards to GM/HC moves, but he's not impacting personnel on a wide scale if at all.
I will contonue to wait for the exposé...
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lashing out at fans on X?
Bob Papa. He went with the condescending, patronizing theme that is usually reserved for Hanlon and Tim's burner. There's a whole thread on it. Link - ( New Window )
I didn't see it as condescending--rather Papa was just trying to dismiss any claims that Mara is pulling strings in the personnel dept. Maybe I missed it.
Papa said what he sees and hears. Despite the guy's track record just about everyone here is going to ignore what Papa says simply because he's an NYG employee. If you don't believe the guy, why bother taking him seriously.
I choose to believe him. But that's just me. I also choose to believe the decades of data and evidence that says Mara has some input like any owner does, especially in regards to GM/HC moves, but he's not impacting personnel on a wide scale if at all.
I will contonue to wait for the exposé...
I'm going to say that as a broadcaster, Papa has no more visibility into the conversations between the owner and GM about personnel issues than do you or I. Never in my career did an owner or GM share their internal staffing/personnel conversations with the fucking radio guy. And if they ever shared them with any members of the media, it was with a purpose and an agenda.
At best, Papa was giving an opinion, just like a fan might. At worst, he was operating in his role as a member of the team's comms dept. And we can ignore the fact that he went all the way back to Wellington letting Young cut Simms and Bavaro, but somehow neglected to mention the HC and GM who got fired in direct punitive response to their involvement in the Eli situation in 2017 - the clearest possible evidence that you could give of an owner demonstrating exactly what he was going to expect from his next GM and HC. But the claim of inside knowledge by itself is ridiculous. The only things he knows as a function of being in the building are the things that he's been told.
And if he's choosing to share that "insider's perspective" on X, it's because that's also one of the things he's been told.
I'm going to say that as a broadcaster, Papa has no more visibility into the conversations between the owner and GM about personnel issues than do you or I. Never in my career did an owner or GM share their internal staffing/personnel conversations with the fucking radio guy. And if they ever shared them with any members of the media, it was with a purpose and an agenda.
At best, Papa was giving an opinion, just like a fan might. At worst, he was operating in his role as a member of the team's comms dept. And we can ignore the fact that he went all the way back to Wellington letting Young cut Simms and Bavaro, but somehow neglected to mention the HC and GM who got fired in direct punitive response to their involvement in the Eli situation in 2017 - the clearest possible evidence that you could give of an owner demonstrating exactly what he was going to expect from his next GM and HC. But the claim of inside knowledge by itself is ridiculous. The only things he knows as a function of being in the building are the things that he's been told.
And if he's choosing to share that "insider's perspective" on X, it's because that's also one of the things he's been told.
As I said on another thread where you said this - I disagree that we in fandom know as much as Papa and Banks. Absolutely Schoen and Mara are not having them sit at the table when they have talks, but they are in the building. They absolutely know more than we do. By osmosis they know more. And I will agree that Papa was probably acting in his roll as commentator in responding to complaints by fans. But to say they don't know more than we keyboard avengers is not believable.
Not for nothing, but the owner has every right to fire the GM and HC. That is not meddling - McAdoo and Reese effed up and they deserved to be fired. (I have always said it was Eli being whiny that caused this). But they presented JM with a plan and then went beyond what was agreed upon. After Eli whined about not wanting to play at all, they should have let JM know what Eli said.