A man has been arrested on suspicion of manslaughter over the death of ice hockey player Adam Johnson, whose neck was cut during a match.
The Nottingham Panthers player was injured by a skate in a match against Sheffield Steelers on 28 October.
The 29-year-old was taken to hospital where he was pronounced dead.
A post-mortem examination confirmed Johnson died as a result of a fatal neck injury, South Yorkshire Police said.
The force said detectives arrested the suspect on Tuesday, adding that he remained in custody.
At a minimum it was reckless and IMO the charge is appropriate.
In all of the hockey I’ve watched on tv or live over the years I’ve never seen anything like it. Obviously, it was beyond reckless and dangerous.
In all of the hockey I’ve watched on tv or live over the years I’ve never seen anything like it. Obviously, it was beyond reckless and dangerous.
Agreed.
You should watch it then. It looks really on purpose.
Maybe because he has been allegedly getting death threats. I think he should be held accountable for his actions, but calling for his death is obviously beyond ok (if that actually happened and it probably did).
And (not to take this thread in an unintended direction) as predicted people brought race into it. I watched the video and came away with the conclusion I did and I could not tell you the race of the offender. If you told me he was as white as the whitest person who ever lived i would not question that. But he's not, he's black, so naturally there are people who exploit that and suggest the only reason people feel charges (or any responsibility) is warranted is due to his race. Which is ridiculous to anyone who watches the video.
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I didn't watch the play (and don't care to) but I have a very difficult time imagining someone could do that on purpose.
You should watch it then. It looks really on purpose.
Cjac, I'm happy to take everyone else's view that there was intent on this rather than watch it myself. I'm not going to be on the jury, so happy to remain ignorant here.
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thing is the guy got a standing ovation last night.
Maybe because he has been allegedly getting death threats. I think he should be held accountable for his actions, but calling for his death is obviously beyond ok (if that actually happened and it probably did).
And (not to take this thread in an unintended direction) as predicted people brought race into it. I watched the video and came away with the conclusion I did and I could not tell you the race of the offender. If you told me he was as white as the whitest person who ever lived i would not question that. But he's not, he's black, so naturally there are people who exploit that and suggest the only reason people feel charges (or any responsibility) is warranted is due to his race. Which is ridiculous to anyone who watches the video.
Same, I don't watch anything outside of the NHL and some AHL. I didn't realize his race until I looked at his Hockey reference profile to check his PIM to see if he had a history of dirty play
No, I don't think he intended to kill him, but that goes back to the manslaughter charge. No intent but criminally negligent
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I didn't watch the play (and don't care to) but I have a very difficult time imagining someone could do that on purpose.
You should watch it then. It looks really on purpose.
Cjac, I'm happy to take everyone else's view that there was intent on this rather than watch it myself. I'm not going to be on the jury, so happy to remain ignorant here.
Yeah all good Brett, its gruesome, i dont suggest it.
I saw that as well.
Its basically like a lineman getting beat and doing a leg whip to stop the defender. Only problem here, skates are involved.
I thought that the standing-O was bizarre.
I've been watching hockey my whole life and I've never seen a player's leg come up like that. The scary incidents that have happened in regards to skate cuts have usually been from a guy falling forward and his leg naturally coming up and a guy is right behind him.
This guy is an absolute fucking idiot and is clearly a danger to others.
This is a dreadful situation all around.
It's quite upsetting. Thankfully, the video (at least the one I saw) is shot from far enough away and with poor enough video quality that it isn't as utterly horrifying as one might visualize on description alone.
For manslaughter you don't have to prove he tried to slash his neck. You have to prove his(irresponsible) actions resulted in the injury that caused the death.
I sure someone who drives drunk and kills someone is sick about it and it wasn't their intention.
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I have not seen the video and do not want to. Even if the leg whip was intentional, I'm sure the guy who did it is sick about killing someone. I'm sure that was not his intention at all, even though he should have realized how dangerous a skate blade is.
I sure someone who drives drunk and kills someone is sick about it and it wasn't their intention.
That's a fair analogy. To be clear, I'm not condemning the fact that charges were brought. Just sharing my impression of what happened on a human level.
That's why it's manslaughter and not murder. Manslaughter means you didn't plan it ahead of time.
How many times do we recriminate, thankfully with death not involved, but wish we could do things differently in hindsight.
I hope the players family and the accused can find some peace.
Brett I saw the play. I thought exactly as you before I saw it. While I do not believe killing the player was his intent, he absolutely intended to injure or at the very least scare the shit out of him. It was reckless and dangerous and he knew...no doubt in my mind...that his actions could have caused him a severe injury. 1q
not sure how anyone who saw the video can say "nowhere near" Malarchuck. I don't think I have ever seen as much blood from the Johnson injury outside of maybe the Shining when the blood runs down the hotel hallway in Danny Torrence's vision.
not sure how anyone who saw the video can say "nowhere near" Malarchuck. I don't think I have ever seen as much blood from the Johnson injury outside of maybe the Shining when the blood runs down the hotel hallway in Danny Torrence's vision.
I’ll tell you how. You must have seen a different or unedited version.
I watched Malarchuk years ago just because I knew he survived. To Greg's point, I can't watch something knowing the guy died.
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than Malarchuck IMO and that's saying something since Malarchuck weas pretty freaking bad.
not sure how anyone who saw the video can say "nowhere near" Malarchuck. I don't think I have ever seen as much blood from the Johnson injury outside of maybe the Shining when the blood runs down the hotel hallway in Danny Torrence's vision.
I’ll tell you how. You must have seen a different or unedited version.
good point, certainly possible. Malarchuk was the first thing that popped into my mind and when I saw the video Johnson had not passed and I didn't know he would or I probably would not have watched it. seeing the amount of blood was staggering.
And Greg is right, now knowing he died - I went back to watch the incident again, at full speed I thought the offender was upended and that's how his skates wound up near Johnson's throat, but then you can see he jumped skates first at Johnson and then kind of mule kicked while in midair towards Johnson connecting with his throat. I only mention this because maybe knowing he passed made watching the video that much more morbid than Malarchuk who obviously survived.
I think Johnson had both his carotid and jugular severed, and Malarchuk only the carotid (I think).
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than Malarchuck IMO and that's saying something since Malarchuck weas pretty freaking bad.
not sure how anyone who saw the video can say "nowhere near" Malarchuck. I don't think I have ever seen as much blood from the Johnson injury outside of maybe the Shining when the blood runs down the hotel hallway in Danny Torrence's vision.
I’ll tell you how. You must have seen a different or unedited version.
good point, certainly possible. Malarchuk was the first thing that popped into my mind and when I saw the video Johnson had not passed and I didn't know he would or I probably would not have watched it. seeing the amount of blood was staggering.
And Greg is right, now knowing he died - I went back to watch the incident again, at full speed I thought the offender was upended and that's how his skates wound up near Johnson's throat, but then you can see he jumped skates first at Johnson and then kind of mule kicked while in midair towards Johnson connecting with his throat. I only mention this because maybe knowing he passed made watching the video that much more morbid than Malarchuk who obviously survived.
I think Johnson had both his carotid and jugular severed, and Malarchuk only the carotid (I think).
No matter your position on what should happen to the offender, you can’t help but feel for Johnson’s family, including his father, as I believe I read he was streaming the game from his Minnesota home.
It’s beyond sad/tragic and should never have happened.
No, but they were required for me in high school (all of CT high school hockey players had to wear neck guards) because there was an incident a couple years prior. These things go in cycles.
I don't wear much equipment anymore, my body is in such a state of atrophy that I'm not sure I'm that susceptible to injury. Plus I skate about as slow as an iceberg.
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I have not seen the video and do not want to. Even if the leg whip was intentional, I'm sure the guy who did it is sick about killing someone. I'm sure that was not his intention at all, even though he should have realized how dangerous a skate blade is.
I sure someone who drives drunk and kills someone is sick about it and it wasn't their intention.
To be clear - I am not excusing what he did or suggesting "these things happen." He did something recklessly stupid and should be punished for it.
I watched Malarchuk years ago just because I knew he survived. To Greg's point, I can't watch something knowing the guy died.
This is where I am at. Gore doesn't bother me, but watching a guy get killed on the ice is not something I want in my memory. I am curious about it, but I will not watch it because of that.
Absolutely and he was always a dirty scumbag to boot.
That was a fucked up move
However, if it's true he'd done the same earlier this year, then that becomes very suspicious.
A murder charge in UK law requires a jury to believe that there was an intention to kill. It matters, becuase in murder cases there is a mandatory minimum sentence of life, which actually is about 25 years.
If it's the lesser charge of manslaughter, then the judge has considerable discretion when it comes to sentencing, and can give as little as two years, though usually it's more like fifteen. With good behaviour whilst behind bars, a prisoner can see his sentence reduced by a third to a quarter.
Yes. Zednik bled pretty good but IIRC the artery wasn't completely severed as Malarchuk's was.
I hate seeing that crap usually as well. I never look up video of players breaking their legs, etc. No desire to see. But I was interested to see this, not for any sick reason to see blood, but to see the perpetrator's actions and whether it was intentional or not.
I saw the video from Inside Edition, and it was so far away that you couldn't really see much from a gore perspective, but you could see the actions of the perp. I recommend that video for anyone wanting to see it (but not all the gore)
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thing is the guy got a standing ovation last night.
Maybe because he has been allegedly getting death threats. I think he should be held accountable for his actions, but calling for his death is obviously beyond ok (if that actually happened and it probably did).
And (not to take this thread in an unintended direction) as predicted people brought race into it. I watched the video and came away with the conclusion I did and I could not tell you the race of the offender. If you told me he was as white as the whitest person who ever lived i would not question that. But he's not, he's black, so naturally there are people who exploit that and suggest the only reason people feel charges (or any responsibility) is warranted is due to his race. Which is ridiculous to anyone who watches the video.
Actually, they tend to cover up a story where a black man is the aggressor against a white man. Doesn't fit the media narrative.
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thing is the guy got a standing ovation last night.
I thought that the standing-O was bizarre.
I've been watching hockey my whole life and I've never seen a player's leg come up like that. The scary incidents that have happened in regards to skate cuts have usually been from a guy falling forward and his leg naturally coming up and a guy is right behind him.
That's because hockey players are taught from the day they start (5-yrs old, 7-yrs old, etc.) and throughout their training (including at the professional level) that you consciously NEVER, EVER raise your leg and do whatever it takes to keep the blade of the skate AWAY from another player. The high leg kick was completely out of form, especially for a professional player. Regardless of anyone's take on whether or not it was on purpose, it certainly went against ALL training. As for me, I think he did it on purpose, but didn't expect to kill the guy. He should be out of hockey forever. He has a reputation of anger issues and likes to hurt other players.