Sorry if this has been discussed already, but listening to WFAN this afternoon there was a report that people within the Giants organization still believe in Jones and want to either draft another position or trade the pick even if they're #1 or #2.
Personally, if they think Jones IS the guy, is a real franchise QB and go into year 6 with him on yet another scholarship, I just don't know what to say. If you have a chance to draft a potentially great QB and you pass, sticking with mediocre, frequently injured DJ, who is what he is and is never going to be anything else, this franchise is even more lost and f'd up than anyone could possibly have realized and they deserve to continue the losing culture they've developed.
It's a joke.
Somebody posted a pundit's prediction that the Giants will take Sheneur Sanders, who'll rocket up draft boards. I could see Daboll wanting to develop him — he's very athletic, fast, a playmaker, rocket arm, but raw. Sounds like another QB Daboll helped develop. Jones becomes their Alex Smith and they hope Sanders becomes their Patrick Mahomes.
Rinse. Repeat. No alignment.
If this franchise doesn't draft a QB they're clueless.
Again.
And the QB will all want is reduced to a Sam Hartman-like player in the 6th round.
There's a theory that every team should draft a QB every year. It sounds nuts but this year's Giants are evidence for that theory. The guy they just paid to be their QB1 is hurt and regressed. Their veteran QB2 made dumb mistakes and got hurt. And now they're down to an UDFA QB3 who isn't ready to play in the league.
This is the likely scenario. And if they go Nix, JJ, Ewers, etc. in the 2nd or later they might feel that they aren't ready to jump right in. So then we have a scenario where Jones is starting and on the the later drafted QBs sits and learns.
+1 They better be right if they bypass a QB at #1 or #2 overall in this draft.
Rinse. Repeat. No alignment.
If this franchise doesn't draft a QB they're clueless.
Rinse. Repeat. No alignment.
If this franchise doesn't draft a QB they're clueless.
If they go 7-10 the same crew will be saying to run it back
It's a joke.
Lol I was about to respond then saw its a joke while making a response post lol
Health forces their hand.
They're picking a QB, and just so you know . . .
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More than any other reason, that’s why they will take the opportunity to reset the position.
They are drafting a QB. Only reason to discuss they aren't is to force a conversation.
Kyler Murray moved around pretty well last week
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QBs never the same after knee surgery: Sam Bradford, Dante Culpepper, Carson Palmer, Teddy Bridgewater
Kyler Murray moved around pretty well last week
Joe burrow too. Surgery has evolved so much, even from 10 years ago the surgeries exponentially evolve with tech. It's completely different now. But no Jones cannot be qb here longer
But, his reliability has to be suspect, at best.
If they are going to be serious about their culture of “smart, tough, reliable” then they HAVE to move on.
For starters there have been a ton of medical advances since any of those surgeries...
secondly ACL issues are more about the physical therapy than the surgery itself... and then lets compare DJs age and work ethic to any of those besides maybe bridgewater who had a considerably more serious injury. Carson was old, Dante was fat and lazy and Bradford came into the league with an already bum shoulder and not for nothing, there were rumblings back then about his work ethic as well
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In comment 16289557 jmdvm said:
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QBs never the same after knee surgery: Sam Bradford, Dante Culpepper, Carson Palmer, Teddy Bridgewater
Kyler Murray moved around pretty well last week
Joe burrow too. Surgery has evolved so much, even from 10 years ago the surgeries exponentially evolve with tech. It's completely different now. But no Jones cannot be qb here longer
True, many players recover from ACL surgery and resume their careers successfully. Adrian Peterson and Saquan Barkley are two non QB examples. But right here, how does Wandale Robinson recover in less than a year yet Adrian Robinson is a ghost? There are no guarantees. A QB needs to be drafted. If Jones doesn't recover 100%, his ability as a runner goes out the window.
Again.
And the QB will all want is reduced to a Sam Hartman-like player in the 6th round.
When was the other time they upgraded the team?
What if they go on a winning run and draft 8th. Miss out on qbs and bring back Jones due to necessity?
Being honest is a waste of time.
A new QB at 1 or 2 makes too much sense if he is the right guy. That is what 29 of 30 GMs would do. I don’t doubt we will as well.
A lot could change between now and the draft, so we really can't be 100% certain of anything (remember La'el Collins?).
That being said, absent some significant development, if the Giants are drafting in the top 3 and the 3 QBs at the top are still at the top, the pick will be QB, with 95% certainty.
And the reason is this: You do not pass up a chance to draft a premium QB prospect when it falls in your lap when you do not already have a franchise QB. And sometimes even if you already have a franchise QB, you still don't pass up the opportunity. Remember the Colts traded Peyton Manning, a first ballot HOF'er coming off a neck injury, imagine that, because they found themselves with the rare opportunity to draft a premium QB talent in Andrew Luck at the top of the draft.
Whether or not you still believe Jones has the ability to become a franchise QB, and I can't stress this enough, IT DOES NOT MATTER ONE IOTA at this point, because he still hasn't proven it, and the Giants *should* be in position to draft one of the big three QB prospects.
QB drafts like this don't come around often. In fact, a single premium QB prospect isn't in every yearly draft class, much less three guys at this level of pedigree.
If you have the chance to draft a guy that could be the next Mahomes, Manning, or Elway, you do not pass that up unless you already have a guy performing at the top of their position in the NFL, and if that's the case, it's really hard to have that and be drafting at the top of the draft, anyway.
Add in the dynamics that this regime was not fully sold on DJ at any point, given that he did not get a 5 year option exercised AND did not get a true long-term deal (it was essentially a 2-yeat deal), AND he did not play well early this season, even when the throws were there, this is the biggest no-brainer since Joe Burrow was sitting there at #1 overall and the Bengals were on the clock.
And the only reason I'm putting the odds at 95% and not 100% is because there is still a lot of football to be played and a lot of time before the draft. Who knows...if Drake Maye gets caught snorting coke off a...well, you get the idea. Anything totally unexpected could happen. But those scenarios are highly unlikely.
Don't believe any article written by someone with 'sources inside the Giants org'. There are very few that actually know anything.
What we do know is what we've seen so far.
1.) Jones stunk when he played this year, and was middle of the road at his peak in 2022.
2.) Jones has had 2 neck injuries and a torn acl now
3.) There is an out after 2024 in Jones contract
4.) Daboll showed visible frustration with Jones at times
5.) Schoen and members of the scouting department have gone to multiple USC and UNC games so far
The prospect of DeVito + Harrison gives the league shivers.
Passing on a QB would permanently hitch Scheon and Daboll to Jones. If it didn't work out, they would both need to be gone. If they survive and get to draft the next QB in 2025 or later, it would be a strong sign that Mara forced them to keep Jones. If only one of them is fired, it's still a sign that weren't allowed to move on from Jones, and someone was the fall guy.
Passing on a QB would permanently hitch Scheon and Daboll to Jones. If it didn't work out, they would both need to be gone. If they survive and get to draft the next QB in 2025 or later, it would be a strong sign that Mara forced them to keep Jones. If only one of them is fired, it's still a sign that weren't allowed to move on from Jones, and someone was the fall guy.
Not taking a QB could set the franchise back even further than taking one and missing on him.
I have been as big a supporter of DJ as anyone. But he was bad this year. Indeed as a pure eye test, it was the worst year of his career. I think Dallas broke him. Not sure he is fixable.
Given his injury history and performance it would be insane to rely on him. I suspect it is equally likely that we bring back Eli.
And for the record I do think he starts next year if his recovery allows. But he is doing the Kurt Warner thing.