He has been the most consistent for all 3 years of college
I like Mayes and would be #2
Daniels being a 5th year senior and it finally clicking plus how many big hits he has taken in college scares me in the pros makes him 3 for me.
36 starts, 66% completion rating, 9700 yards, 92TDs, 13INTs, 170 rating....what is not to like about the kid? He gets upset when his team loses? I would pick him and not think about it twice.
But Daniels has everything except a fully developed body. And he should be able to add bulk over time.
He's the most dynamic dual threat prospect since LJax. Plus, he's got a more developed stroke.
What's not to like?
-- very good arm
-- great release
-- great acceleration
-- great speed
-- great poise
-- 30+ starts
-- SEC
-- great performances against big brands
Same. The OL wont be fixed, he can get away from Parsons.
If you could trade down a spot or two and still get him that would be best.
I also like Harrison since he is such a sure thing. With quarterbacks you never know what you end up with.
What about Harrison and Cam Ward?
Problem no one is talking about is if we don't take a QB and jones gets hurt next year then his 2025 salary is fully guaranteed at like 50 million. It's almost like we can't afford to play DJ next year.
I don’t care at all about the off the field stuff. But that Oregon outing wasn’t impressive.
Be more specific...
I have noticed two things that pop up. CW will be very loose with ball security when he's getting heat. He'll resort to holding the ball with just one hand. And sometimes he'll look down at the rush when the pocket is collapsing.
on Drake Maye, but after watching LSU vs Florida I am thinking he would be great on the Giants.
With our OL, we need a QB with a quick release and he needs to be very good under pressure. I know it's only one game, but Daniels seemed to be lightning quick with his reads and throws. He has a very good arm and very accurate. He's over 70% completion pct this season. He will take off and run at times and boy is he fast! I do worry about him being so skinny, but Daniels seems like a superstar. He is electrifying.
I don’t care at all about the off the field stuff. But that Oregon outing wasn’t impressive.
Be more specific...
I have noticed two things that pop up. CW will be very loose with ball security when he's getting heat. He'll resort to holding the ball with just one hand. And sometimes he'll look down at the rush when the pocket is collapsing.
Not deal Breakers for me, but areas to shore up.
This is just a fan impression but I saw varying times before the ball came out, a tendency to float around the pocket, and an inability to escape pressure. If i’m wrong, tell me, but it looks like he needs a lot of work in this area.
but no undersized guys because they never seem to last. I never would have chosen Kyler Murphy or Bryce Young. I don't care how great they were in college. Pros are different animal.
So, at least 6'3" and 220 with a plus/elite arm who has proven to be able to read defenses quickly and escape the pass rush and be running threat to some degree. I mean this is the #1 pick in the draft, so he should have it all.
but no undersized guys because they never seem to last. I never would have chosen Kyler Murphy or Bryce Young. I don't care how great they were in college. Pros are different animal.
So, at least 6'3" and 220 with a plus/elite arm who has proven to be able to read defenses quickly and escape the pass rush and be running threat to some degree. I mean this is the #1 pick in the draft, so he should have it all.
But Daniels has everything except a fully developed body. And he should be able to add bulk over time.
He's the most dynamic dual threat prospect since LJax. Plus, he's got a more developed stroke.
What's not to like?
-- very good arm
-- great release
-- great acceleration
-- great speed
-- great poise
-- 30+ starts
-- SEC
-- great performances against big brands
I'd also add personality and charisma. Seems to me like he's got both.
1. Draft Drake Maye
2. Trade the #1 pick for a king's ransom while not moving too far back in the first round. Let's say, go from 1 to 12 or 1 to 13, something like that. This would give us an extra 2025, 2026, and maybe even a 2027 1st round draft choice, and we'd still be able to get a great player with our pick. If team is clearly not ready to contend for the SB, this sets the team up for a loaded roster down the road.
3. Draft Caleb Williams
but no undersized guys because they never seem to last. I never would have chosen Kyler Murphy or Bryce Young. I don't care how great they were in college. Pros are different animal.
So, at least 6'3" and 220 with a plus/elite arm who has proven to be able to read defenses quickly and escape the pass rush and be running threat to some degree. I mean this is the #1 pick in the draft, so he should have it all.
At the moment: Drake Maye
So no to Patrick Mahomes then.
Mahomes was 6'2" 225 lbs predraft. I don't see how that is undersized. Plus he had everything else. Chiefs were really smart to go up and get him.
As I don't watch CFB. I watched highlight films from both of the top 2 QB prospects.
I have a question for any experts out there. When watching Caleb Williams, he appears to consistently scramble to make crazy off-balance/sliding throws utilizing his arm strength, or he ends up scrambling to save a potential negative play. However, this is against comparatively horrible defenses when compared to the NFL.
Do you have a concern that this propensity to break from the pocket and create a play will not necessarily translate well to the NFL, and lead to turnover/injury issues?
Maybe it's just the nature of his highlight film, but it appeared as if he was behind the NYG Oline and was forced to scramble constantly to make something out of nothing, and when you upgrade the defense, I fear that simply won't work too well. Please don't take my ignorance as an insult if you're a super fan.
I just get the feeling Maye translates to the NFL better.
but no undersized guys because they never seem to last. I never would have chosen Kyler Murphy or Bryce Young. I don't care how great they were in college. Pros are different animal.
So, at least 6'3" and 220 with a plus/elite arm who has proven to be able to read defenses quickly and escape the pass rush and be running threat to some degree. I mean this is the #1 pick in the draft, so he should have it all.
At the moment: Drake Maye
So no to Patrick Mahomes then.
Mahomes was 6'2" 225 lbs predraft. I don't see how that is undersized. Plus he had everything else. Chiefs were really smart to go up and get him.
As I don't watch CFB. I watched highlight films from both of the top 2 QB prospects.
I have a question for any experts out there. When watching Caleb Williams, he appears to consistently scramble to make crazy off-balance/sliding throws utilizing his arm strength, or he ends up scrambling to save a potential negative play. However, this is against comparatively horrible defenses when compared to the NFL.
Do you have a concern that this propensity to break from the pocket and create a play will not necessarily translate well to the NFL, and lead to turnover/injury issues?
Maybe it's just the nature of his highlight film, but it appeared as if he was behind the NYG Oline and was forced to scramble constantly to make something out of nothing, and when you upgrade the defense, I fear that simply won't work too well. Please don't take my ignorance as an insult if you're a super fan.
I just get the feeling Maye translates to the NFL better.
Agreed 100%. He reminds me of a Johnny Manziel, always running around making wild throws, obviously Johnny ran with the ball more. Totally agree, he can get away with that play vs a bunch of college kids, a small majority who will be starting defenders in the NFL.
I'll take the pocket passer who can escape any day of the week
on Drake Maye, but after watching LSU vs Florida I am thinking he would be great on the Giants.
With our OL, we need a QB with a quick release and he needs to be very good under pressure. I know it's only one game, but Daniels seemed to be lightning quick with his reads and throws. He has a very good arm and very accurate. He's over 70% completion pct this season. He will take off and run at times and boy is he fast! I do worry about him being so skinny, but Daniels seems like a superstar. He is electrifying.
As an LSU fan, I really like JD. He does however have two of the best WRs in college football, but so did Joe Burrow when he was there. What I really like is that he has consistently topped his rushing total every year pretty much, so he seems to only be getting better at that.
In comment 16290378 xtian said:
but no undersized guys because they never seem to last. I never would have chosen Kyler Murphy or Bryce Young. I don't care how great they were in college. Pros are different animal.
So, at least 6'3" and 220 with a plus/elite arm who has proven to be able to read defenses quickly and escape the pass rush and be running threat to some degree. I mean this is the #1 pick in the draft, so he should have it all.
At the moment: Drake Maye
So no to Patrick Mahomes then.
Mahomes was 6'2" 225 lbs predraft. I don't see how that is undersized. Plus he had everything else. Chiefs were really smart to go up and get him.
225 lbs? probably about 210 right now.
you are wrong. several articles say he is 227 lbs and also 6'3"--he grew an inch!
Watched some Maye and Williams highlights last night
In last weeks match v Duke, I counted three important off schedule plays made by Maye. I think he can improvise.
Fair enough. I'm not saying I made any definitive review. I'm open minded. And I have no doubt Maye is promising and has a high chance to succeed. Williams seems like a far more fluid athlete and he is great and accurate throwing on the run. I completely see the Mahomes comparisons. Not saying he will be Mahomes, but...
Most of Williams' crazy highlight reel plays are when he is literally doing 360s in the pocket and spinning around everywhere with some room to breathe. He will not be able to do that in the NFL.
Most of Williams' crazy highlight reel plays are when he is literally doing 360s in the pocket and spinning around everywhere with some room to breathe. He will not be able to do that in the NFL.
But he also might be getting better blocking. USC's offensive line OL is horrendous this year.
Most of Williams' crazy highlight reel plays are when he is literally doing 360s in the pocket and spinning around everywhere with some room to breathe. He will not be able to do that in the NFL.
I hearya. It's always a concern whether any high level college prospect can repeat their greatness at the next level. But Williams' highlights aren't only 360s in the pocket. What he does demonstrate pretty clearly is elite athleticism. Maye does not stand out like that. Now, to Maye's credit I have read he is more advanced than Williams reading downfield. Not that Williams can't, but Riley's schemes allegedly don't "ask" him to do it. I think this merits more analysis. But folks saying, no way Williams, have they watched him? Because I think that take won't age well
scores seem to have good correlation with QB success.
I'd be curious how the top guys scored there.
I've been wondering the same. Purdy as a high scorer has gotten a lot of attention. And coming into this season, it seemed Bryce Young (a high scorer) was destined for a faster start to his career than CJ Stroud (a low scorer). That hasn't worked out so well for S2 adherents. Still it's a data point worth noting.
Maye
I like Mayes and would be #2
Daniels being a 5th year senior and it finally clicking plus how many big hits he has taken in college scares me in the pros makes him 3 for me.
After that, trade down for more assets if possible while targeting McCarthy, then Penix.
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Maye will be the consolation prize.
But Daniels has everything except a fully developed body. And he should be able to add bulk over time.
He's the most dynamic dual threat prospect since LJax. Plus, he's got a more developed stroke.
What's not to like?
-- very good arm
-- great release
-- great acceleration
-- great speed
-- great poise
-- 30+ starts
-- SEC
-- great performances against big brands
I also like Harrison since he is such a sure thing. With quarterbacks you never know what you end up with.
What about Harrison and Cam Ward?
Problem no one is talking about is if we don't take a QB and jones gets hurt next year then his 2025 salary is fully guaranteed at like 50 million. It's almost like we can't afford to play DJ next year.
Daniels and Williams might have slightly higher ceilings (or not) but much higher bust potential.
Maye is a baller, his game against Duke was incredible. Dropping NFL dimes all over the plays, super clutch, etc. and he’s had many games like that.
I don’t care at all about the off the field stuff. But that Oregon outing wasn’t impressive.
LT
Receiver
Edge
OGuard
I'm sorry but this is a terrible idea - you have to get the QB and not take chances with the most important position on the team.
I don’t care at all about the off the field stuff. But that Oregon outing wasn’t impressive.
Williams didn't get much help from his OL.
I don’t care at all about the off the field stuff. But that Oregon outing wasn’t impressive.
Be more specific...
I have noticed two things that pop up. CW will be very loose with ball security when he's getting heat. He'll resort to holding the ball with just one hand. And sometimes he'll look down at the rush when the pocket is collapsing.
Not deal Breakers for me, but areas to shore up.
With our OL, we need a QB with a quick release and he needs to be very good under pressure. I know it's only one game, but Daniels seemed to be lightning quick with his reads and throws. He has a very good arm and very accurate. He's over 70% completion pct this season. He will take off and run at times and boy is he fast! I do worry about him being so skinny, but Daniels seems like a superstar. He is electrifying.
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Pocket skills?
I don’t care at all about the off the field stuff. But that Oregon outing wasn’t impressive.
Be more specific...
I have noticed two things that pop up. CW will be very loose with ball security when he's getting heat. He'll resort to holding the ball with just one hand. And sometimes he'll look down at the rush when the pocket is collapsing.
Not deal Breakers for me, but areas to shore up.
This is just a fan impression but I saw varying times before the ball came out, a tendency to float around the pocket, and an inability to escape pressure. If i’m wrong, tell me, but it looks like he needs a lot of work in this area.
So, at least 6'3" and 220 with a plus/elite arm who has proven to be able to read defenses quickly and escape the pass rush and be running threat to some degree. I mean this is the #1 pick in the draft, so he should have it all.
At the moment: Drake Maye
So, at least 6'3" and 220 with a plus/elite arm who has proven to be able to read defenses quickly and escape the pass rush and be running threat to some degree. I mean this is the #1 pick in the draft, so he should have it all.
At the moment: Drake Maye
So no to Patrick Mahomes then.
But Daniels has everything except a fully developed body. And he should be able to add bulk over time.
He's the most dynamic dual threat prospect since LJax. Plus, he's got a more developed stroke.
What's not to like?
-- very good arm
-- great release
-- great acceleration
-- great speed
-- great poise
-- 30+ starts
-- SEC
-- great performances against big brands
I'd also add personality and charisma. Seems to me like he's got both.
1. Draft Drake Maye
2. Trade the #1 pick for a king's ransom while not moving too far back in the first round. Let's say, go from 1 to 12 or 1 to 13, something like that. This would give us an extra 2025, 2026, and maybe even a 2027 1st round draft choice, and we'd still be able to get a great player with our pick. If team is clearly not ready to contend for the SB, this sets the team up for a loaded roster down the road.
3. Draft Caleb Williams
but no undersized guys because they never seem to last. I never would have chosen Kyler Murphy or Bryce Young. I don't care how great they were in college. Pros are different animal.
So, at least 6'3" and 220 with a plus/elite arm who has proven to be able to read defenses quickly and escape the pass rush and be running threat to some degree. I mean this is the #1 pick in the draft, so he should have it all.
At the moment: Drake Maye
So no to Patrick Mahomes then.
Mahomes was 6'2" 225 lbs predraft. I don't see how that is undersized. Plus he had everything else. Chiefs were really smart to go up and get him.
I have a question for any experts out there. When watching Caleb Williams, he appears to consistently scramble to make crazy off-balance/sliding throws utilizing his arm strength, or he ends up scrambling to save a potential negative play. However, this is against comparatively horrible defenses when compared to the NFL.
Do you have a concern that this propensity to break from the pocket and create a play will not necessarily translate well to the NFL, and lead to turnover/injury issues?
Maybe it's just the nature of his highlight film, but it appeared as if he was behind the NYG Oline and was forced to scramble constantly to make something out of nothing, and when you upgrade the defense, I fear that simply won't work too well. Please don't take my ignorance as an insult if you're a super fan.
I just get the feeling Maye translates to the NFL better.
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In comment 16290378 xtian said:
but no undersized guys because they never seem to last. I never would have chosen Kyler Murphy or Bryce Young. I don't care how great they were in college. Pros are different animal.
So, at least 6'3" and 220 with a plus/elite arm who has proven to be able to read defenses quickly and escape the pass rush and be running threat to some degree. I mean this is the #1 pick in the draft, so he should have it all.
At the moment: Drake Maye
So no to Patrick Mahomes then.
Mahomes was 6'2" 225 lbs predraft. I don't see how that is undersized. Plus he had everything else. Chiefs were really smart to go up and get him.
225 lbs? probably about 210 right now.
USC v Oregon - ( New Window )
He looks unusually susceptible to pressure. But when he has time to set up, wow.
USC v Utah - ( New Window )
He looks unusually susceptible to pressure. But when he has time to set up, wow. USC v Utah - ( New Window )
Hmm, don't we already have one of those clean pocket, no pressure all pros?
I have a question for any experts out there. When watching Caleb Williams, he appears to consistently scramble to make crazy off-balance/sliding throws utilizing his arm strength, or he ends up scrambling to save a potential negative play. However, this is against comparatively horrible defenses when compared to the NFL.
Do you have a concern that this propensity to break from the pocket and create a play will not necessarily translate well to the NFL, and lead to turnover/injury issues?
Maybe it's just the nature of his highlight film, but it appeared as if he was behind the NYG Oline and was forced to scramble constantly to make something out of nothing, and when you upgrade the defense, I fear that simply won't work too well. Please don't take my ignorance as an insult if you're a super fan.
I just get the feeling Maye translates to the NFL better.
Agreed 100%. He reminds me of a Johnny Manziel, always running around making wild throws, obviously Johnny ran with the ball more. Totally agree, he can get away with that play vs a bunch of college kids, a small majority who will be starting defenders in the NFL.
I'll take the pocket passer who can escape any day of the week
With our OL, we need a QB with a quick release and he needs to be very good under pressure. I know it's only one game, but Daniels seemed to be lightning quick with his reads and throws. He has a very good arm and very accurate. He's over 70% completion pct this season. He will take off and run at times and boy is he fast! I do worry about him being so skinny, but Daniels seems like a superstar. He is electrifying.
As an LSU fan, I really like JD. He does however have two of the best WRs in college football, but so did Joe Burrow when he was there. What I really like is that he has consistently topped his rushing total every year pretty much, so he seems to only be getting better at that.
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and with the pics, take this in order:
LT
Receiver
Edge
OGuard
I'm sorry but this is a terrible idea - you have to get the QB and not take chances with the most important position on the team.
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In comment 16290378 xtian said:
but no undersized guys because they never seem to last. I never would have chosen Kyler Murphy or Bryce Young. I don't care how great they were in college. Pros are different animal.
So, at least 6'3" and 220 with a plus/elite arm who has proven to be able to read defenses quickly and escape the pass rush and be running threat to some degree. I mean this is the #1 pick in the draft, so he should have it all.
At the moment: Drake Maye
So no to Patrick Mahomes then.
Mahomes was 6'2" 225 lbs predraft. I don't see how that is undersized. Plus he had everything else. Chiefs were really smart to go up and get him.
225 lbs? probably about 210 right now.
you are wrong. several articles say he is 227 lbs and also 6'3"--he grew an inch!
Maye doesn't look like he's in Williams' class as a prospect.
He doesn't move as well, can't do off-schedule nearly as well, not a big time playmaker. It's not even clear to me he has superior arm talent.
I'm sure he is a promising prospect, but the number of people on this site touting Maye over Williams is strange. Have you guys actually watched both?
Maye looks like Jones with a better arm. For now, until I see more, count me out.
Fair enough. I'm not saying I made any definitive review. I'm open minded. And I have no doubt Maye is promising and has a high chance to succeed. Williams seems like a far more fluid athlete and he is great and accurate throwing on the run. I completely see the Mahomes comparisons. Not saying he will be Mahomes, but...
But he also might be getting better blocking. USC's offensive line OL is horrendous this year.
I'd be curious how the top guys scored there.
I hearya. It's always a concern whether any high level college prospect can repeat their greatness at the next level. But Williams' highlights aren't only 360s in the pocket. What he does demonstrate pretty clearly is elite athleticism. Maye does not stand out like that. Now, to Maye's credit I have read he is more advanced than Williams reading downfield. Not that Williams can't, but Riley's schemes allegedly don't "ask" him to do it. I think this merits more analysis. But folks saying, no way Williams, have they watched him? Because I think that take won't age well
I'd be curious how the top guys scored there.
I've been wondering the same. Purdy as a high scorer has gotten a lot of attention. And coming into this season, it seemed Bryce Young (a high scorer) was destined for a faster start to his career than CJ Stroud (a low scorer). That hasn't worked out so well for S2 adherents. Still it's a data point worth noting.