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Chris684 : 11/15/2023 10:57 am
Where do you stand?

I would have had an interest in BB after Coughlin left in 2015. Personally I no longer feel that way. For continuity’s sake, plus Bill’s age (I want a head coach to be here for 10+ years), plus now seeing the post-Brady years, I don’t see it as the slam dunk move it once would have been.
I want BB  
yalebowl : 11/15/2023 10:58 am : link
As general manager and head coach
It's not and  
JonC : 11/15/2023 10:58 am : link
a big reason he didn't arrive back then was he wants extensive control of football operations, and ownership wouldn't agree to it. BB doesn't need the money, but a man like him is unlikely to change his ways/demands, imv.

He's 70+, the ship sailed long ago.
No way  
gary_from_chester : 11/15/2023 10:59 am : link
It’s Daboll’s time. If he doesn’t cut it, time for new blood. Lots of talented coaches waiting for a shot.
No, no and no.  
Section331 : 11/15/2023 11:01 am : link
I don’t think BB has gotten stupid over the past few years, but why in the world would a sure fire HOF coach want to take on a rebuilding project at 70+? If I’m Bill, I’m looking at LAC, Buffalo, maybe Tenn if that opens up; teams that are ready to win.

I really don’t think Daboll is going anywhere, although that could change if there is some kind of epic meltdown. Still, I don’t think BB is the right guy at this point of his career, and I don’t see why he’d want to come here.
I remember a BBI rumor back in 2006  
Sean : 11/15/2023 11:02 am : link
About Belichick taking over then. I don't know if there was truth to it, but that was the time it could happen imo. The Giants had a GM vacancy and Coughlin was on thin ice. I wonder how real that was.
No need to post...  
bw in dc : 11/15/2023 11:04 am : link
any more than what Jon C wrote.

Belichick is old and he would want complete control as the one man show. As much as Mara admires BB, those prerequisites wouldn't be accepted.
70+ years old  
Biteymax22 : 11/15/2023 11:05 am : link
Team continues to get worse since Brady left and he's made some really, really, really questionable decisions with coaches as of recent. No, keep Schoen and Daboll.

If BB wants to come in as some sort of advisor doesn't interface with Mara, fine, but I don't see it happening.
I think he's headed for the Commanders  
Chris684 : 11/15/2023 11:05 am : link
He's an east coast guy with ties to the area through his past with the naval academy.

With Magic's involvement in ownership there you know he's looking to make a splash. I see the Commies throwing tons of cash at BB.
Has the Chin put out any feelers yet?  
widmerseyebrow : 11/15/2023 11:06 am : link
lol
I think there is a good chance he stays in NE  
Sean : 11/15/2023 11:06 am : link
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BB coming here means he probably would bring Judge with him on staff  
bigblue5611 : 11/15/2023 11:09 am : link
That alone is a hard pass, not to mention what else has already been said here.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/15/2023 11:10 am : link
I think he and Kraft mutually part ways after the season and he ends up with LAC.
It was very real in 2015  
JonC : 11/15/2023 11:10 am : link
but I think the info was leaking from the BB side, rather than NYG.
the only talking heads I listen to  
djm : 11/15/2023 11:11 am : link
are THE talking heads. Any sports talkies in this town aren't worth the lunch I am about to make. To be fair it's going to be amazing--Taylor Ham egg cheese on toasted everything bagel.

Listen to yourself first. Talkies have to drum up drama. Little Bill isn't coming here and I think he's done winning anyway.
If he had replaced Coughlin, yes  
logman : 11/15/2023 11:12 am : link
Not now.
RE: It was very real in 2015  
djm : 11/15/2023 11:12 am : link
In comment 16290003 JonC said:
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but I think the info was leaking from the BB side, rather than NYG.


I agree there. There was a time when Little Bill should have come back home, the time has come and gone. As usual someone in Mara tech fuct that whole thing up.
NO.  
Tom in NY : 11/15/2023 11:15 am : link
Great coach, but this team needs someone that is going to develop a program over a 4 year term. In theory, Daboll is 1.5 years into that term.

BB would be best to go to LA Chargers or Buffalo Bills type situation. Underperforming team, with the QB in place, that needs a firm hand to get them over the top. That is not where the NYG stand as of 11/15/23.
Agree with Jon C plus he ain't going anywhere.  
Blue21 : 11/15/2023 11:16 am : link
It s click bait. He signed a néw contract in the off season.
Why would the Giants  
section125 : 11/15/2023 11:18 am : link
want to bring him in now? Since Brady left NE, he has been mediocre at best. Cannot see any reason.
Belicheck  
McNally's_Nuts : 11/15/2023 11:18 am : link
is still a great defense coach, probably the best defensive mind ever in the NFL.

He is a shitty GM so him demanding complete control of football operations is a reason why the Patriots are so bad.

Tom Brady was the sauce that covered up alot of sins up there in New England.
RE: RE: It was very real in 2015  
Tom in NY : 11/15/2023 11:19 am : link
In comment 16290008 djm said:
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In comment 16290003 JonC said:


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but I think the info was leaking from the BB side, rather than NYG.



I agree there. There was a time when Little Bill should have come back home, the time has come and gone. As usual someone in Mara tech fuct that whole thing up.


Did they "f that whole thing up?"
Look at the New England drafts and FA signings since 2016. Without Brady there that whole organization has been on a downward slide for this entire time frame. Giving BB the GM/HC role would have imported that here with the Giants.

I called this months ago  
Anakim : 11/15/2023 11:22 am : link
And the noise will only get louder
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/15/2023 11:27 am : link
Those thinking he isn’t going anywhere haven’t spent time in New England this fall or haven’t read about or seen Kraft’s displeasure. I would be floored if he’s still the Pats coach next season. Floored.

The Pats PR machine began pumping out fawning articles on Mayo last spring. I would expect that to intensify in the coming weeks.
One thing that gets overlooked in the debate of BB vs TB2  
UberAlias : 11/15/2023 11:28 am : link
The general consensus is that players have a life span but coached don't. That players age but coaching effectiveness doesn't, and this is very flawed thinking. Even great coached have a shelf life. BB was raised in a vastly different era of the league. He was the greatest coach of all time, but to expect him at his age to be able to reinvent himself within a new era is not remotely realistic. In the case of the Pats, I happen to give more credit to the coach for their success because the way they won those superbowls looked like 53 Brady's out there. Whenever they required a critical play to be made, on defense, special teams, by a receiver, it didn't matter --the player made the plan. That opinion aside, my point is that BBs style of coaching would not have the same effect in today's game, just as if Brady were a rookie today he likely would not have the same career. It's all evolved far too much.
Is there a worse GM than BB  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/15/2023 11:28 am : link
right now? That team is void of talent.
Nope  
UConn4523 : 11/15/2023 11:32 am : link
not only would you have to give up picks but you’d then need to give him full control of everything. Don’t see that working well at 71 years old.
RE: …  
UConn4523 : 11/15/2023 11:33 am : link
In comment 16290039 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Those thinking he isn’t going anywhere haven’t spent time in New England this fall or haven’t read about or seen Kraft’s displeasure. I would be floored if he’s still the Pats coach next season. Floored.

The Pats PR machine began pumping out fawning articles on Mayo last spring. I would expect that to intensify in the coming weeks.


His freshly signed deal tells me that unless Kraft is willing to eat his hat publicly, then this is a no go. So the only remaining option is that he entertains trades for BB and that’s complicated because he’d need to sign off on where he goes and that team would also need to agree to his demands.

I’m in the not happening camp. Too much needs to happen for it to work.
I'm not sure he's safe at NE  
JonC : 11/15/2023 11:35 am : link
There's smoke about him and Kraft agreeing to split, and I would think landing in D.C. could happen.
I still believe in Daboll and Schoen  
jinkies : 11/15/2023 11:38 am : link
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UConn.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/15/2023 11:40 am : link
I suspect Kraft will want comp for BB, thus why he won’t fire him. I think BB leaves and Pats get picks.
RE: I want BB  
Jay on the Island : 11/15/2023 11:58 am : link
In comment 16289974 yalebowl said:
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As general manager and head coach

The last thing I would want to go is make him GM. He is currently the HC and unofficial GM in NE and his drafts have been awful over the past few years.
I find it hard to believe any team will be after him  
BigBlueNH : 11/15/2023 12:02 pm : link
after the way things have gone in NE lately. I'm sure he'd still make a fine DC, but I doubt he coaches for another team.
Yeah I strongly think the future of the Giants rests in a 72 year old  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/15/2023 12:15 pm : link
coach who hasn't figured anything out since losing Tom Brady.
I love Belichick...  
Chris in Philly : 11/15/2023 12:17 pm : link
but he's an old man now. Hiring 70+ year old coaches is not the right move.
Now hiring...  
Chris in Philly : 11/15/2023 12:17 pm : link
him to be our Ernie Adams would have a lot of appeal to me if he wanted to step back...
RE: UConn.  
UConn4523 : 11/15/2023 12:26 pm : link
In comment 16290063 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I suspect Kraft will want comp for BB, thus why he won’t fire him. I think BB leaves and Pats get picks.


But Bill would need to agree to it. He basically has a no trade clause because he can simply retire. Kraft can’t just ship him to Las Vegas.
Also, they can get a top QB this year  
UConn4523 : 11/15/2023 12:29 pm : link
which would be the first time in decades that BB has had the opportunity to pick one. Don’t see why he’d even want to leave with that in the table.
RE: I want BB  
blueblood : 11/15/2023 12:29 pm : link
In comment 16289974 yalebowl said:
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As general manager and head coach


Why? His track record as a GM is not that great
RE: I find it hard to believe any team will be after him  
Chris in Philly : 11/15/2023 12:35 pm : link
In comment 16290100 BigBlueNH said:
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after the way things have gone in NE lately. I'm sure he'd still make a fine DC, but I doubt he coaches for another team.


You don't really think Bill Belichick would have to go back to being a DC, do you? He is on the Mr. Rushmore of all-time football coaches.
there is still that little matter  
Dave : 11/15/2023 12:40 pm : link
of The Mara's not trusting BB after what he did when he was in NJ
UConn.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/15/2023 12:41 pm : link
I think BB would find LAC appealing with Herbert. And I know he’s an East Coast guy.
I remember when Marv Levy was 73 or something like that  
Tom from LI : 11/15/2023 12:46 pm : link
when he coached the Bills back in the 80/90s.

I was like Damn, he is old.

I just looked him up... he is still alive and is 98...

God Bless him..
RE: It's not and  
TyreeHelmet : 11/15/2023 1:15 pm : link
In comment 16289975 JonC said:
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a big reason he didn't arrive back then was he wants extensive control of football operations, and ownership wouldn't agree to it. BB doesn't need the money, but a man like him is unlikely to change his ways/demands, imv.

He's 70+, the ship sailed long ago.


Good lord if that is true this just proves how badly Mara has run this team.

But this ship has sailed. And honestly why on earth would Bill want to come here? This roster might be worse than new england.

He should go to the chargers or wait a year until a good job opens up.
Bill was a genius with Brady  
GiantBlue : 11/15/2023 2:05 pm : link
and a bum with Mac Jones

Pass.

RE: I love Belichick...  
BrettNYG10 : 11/15/2023 2:14 pm : link
In comment 16290117 Chris in Philly said:
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but he's an old man now. Hiring 70+ year old coaches is not the right move.


Agreed. We have Congress for that.
RE: RE: I love Belichick...  
Chris in Philly : 11/15/2023 2:18 pm : link
In comment 16290301 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 16290117 Chris in Philly said:


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but he's an old man now. Hiring 70+ year old coaches is not the right move.



Agreed. We have Congress for that.


Ooh. Brett is going edgy...
RE: UConn.  
UConn4523 : 11/15/2023 2:24 pm : link
In comment 16290157 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I think BB would find LAC appealing with Herbert. And I know he’s an East Coast guy.


He can get his own Herbert in April and not have to move and finish his career just where he is. You came game any scenario, they all make a bit of sense but are far fetched IMO.

My buddy who’s a redskins fan thinks he will want to go there and ran on and on with this elaborate scenario yesterday. It’s just words. He’s shown no interest in wanting to leave and has a new deal. It will take something completely out of left field for him to not be a patriot next season.
RE: there is still that little matter  
Optimus-NY : 11/15/2023 2:47 pm : link
In comment 16290156 Dave said:
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of The Mara's not trusting BB after what he did when he was in NJ


You mean the affair with one of the Giants' secretary?
no thanks. he's too old and it's passed him by. the time to have hired  
Victor in CT : 11/15/2023 2:52 pm : link
him was in 1991 but George Young wanted the school teacher instead. Or in 1997 but he had to have Fassel.
RE: BB coming here means he probably would bring Judge with him on staff  
81_Great_Dane : 11/15/2023 3:12 pm : link
In comment 16290000 bigblue5611 said:
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That alone is a hard pass, not to mention what else has already been said here.
This is the thing I didn't hear on talk radio this morning.

You get BB, you get BB's guys, and there's no way I want Joe Judge or Matt Patricia near the Giants, even with BB running the show.

Plus, BB wants to run player personnel, and he's bad at it. The Giants might be willing to jettison Daboll for Belichik, but I doubt they'd fire both Schoen and Daboll to give BB complete control.
RE: RE: BB coming here means he probably would bring Judge with him on staff  
Chris in Philly : 11/15/2023 3:20 pm : link
In comment 16290374 81_Great_Dane said:
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In comment 16290000 bigblue5611 said:


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That alone is a hard pass, not to mention what else has already been said here.

This is the thing I didn't hear on talk radio this morning.

You get BB, you get BB's guys, and there's no way I want Joe Judge or Matt Patricia near the Giants, even with BB running the show.

Plus, BB wants to run player personnel, and he's bad at it. The Giants might be willing to jettison Daboll for Belichik, but I doubt they'd fire both Schoen and Daboll to give BB complete control.


But wait, Josh McDaniels is available again!
It’s not happening  
Les in TO : 11/15/2023 4:10 pm : link
And I wouldn’t want it to happen

Mara is not making any GM/HC changes this year so best to watch the young talent on this team and draft prospects.
No  
CV36 : 11/15/2023 5:27 pm : link
It’s not happening g anyway but no
Anyone  
Photoguy : 11/15/2023 6:18 pm : link
got the 'Not this shit again' meme?

Now would be the time to use it.
RE: I remember a BBI rumor back in 2006  
Matt in SGS : 11/15/2023 7:00 pm : link
In comment 16289985 Sean said:
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About Belichick taking over then. I don't know if there was truth to it, but that was the time it could happen imo. The Giants had a GM vacancy and Coughlin was on thin ice. I wonder how real that was.


It was real. I was the asshat who posted it on Christmas Day. I heard from someone who "would hear things in the building" that there was interest in Belichick. The plan was to bring in Pioli as GM and Belichick as head coach. They had worked well in NE. It checked the boxes as they had previous Giants connections & Pioli being Parcells' son in law. After I posted it on BBI, a few other reporters started talking about it because they were reading BBI and I'm sure they heard the same whispers and figured that news was going to pop. If I heard it, they did too.

However, the part that was up in the air was Belichick was leaking this because he was annoyed at Kraft for not opening his checkbook to bring in more high priced talent in trades and free agency. He felt if Kraft did, they beat the Colts in 2006 & win another Super Bowl. Kraft agreed to do it (see the Moss trade, etc), Pioli turned down the Giants interview and the whole thing fizzled So Coughlin stayed and Reese was elevated.

At least, that was what I had heard back in the day.
RE: RE: UConn.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/15/2023 7:01 pm : link
In comment 16290313 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 16290157 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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I think BB would find LAC appealing with Herbert. And I know he’s an East Coast guy.



He can get his own Herbert in April and not have to move and finish his career just where he is. You came game any scenario, they all make a bit of sense but are far fetched IMO.

My buddy who’s a redskins fan thinks he will want to go there and ran on and on with this elaborate scenario yesterday. It’s just words. He’s shown no interest in wanting to leave and has a new deal. It will take something completely out of left field for him to not be a patriot next season.


Herbert is an established top flight QB. We know what Justin is in the NFL. None of these dudes-Caleb, Drake, Daniels, etc.-are a gimme to be good pros.

BB might not want to leave, but I think Kraft might feel differently. From all accounts, they've never been BFFs even in the best of times. Kraft was pretty adamant last spring about how it has been too long since the Patriots won a playoff game. Well, that streak is about to hit 5 years. Throw in those gushing articles about Mayo from multiple outlets like The Athletic & Globe...

Again, I feel the exact opposite. I'd be surprised if he's the Patriots coach next fall.
All that said  
Matt in SGS : 11/15/2023 7:05 pm : link
and I love Belichick and will always think of him as a Giant. I'll be at the Pats game & will give him a little cheer when I see him coming out of the visitors tunnel by my seats. I don't want him here with the Giants. Let Schoen and Daboll keep working on the turn around. Belichick is looking to break Shula's record, he'd be going to a team who thinks they just need a coach to win.

The rumors/rumblings have been the Chargers, Raiders or Commanders. I could see any of those happen, though I hope for Antonio Pierce's sake, he gets to keep the job.
RE: the only talking heads I listen to  
HBart : 11/15/2023 7:27 pm : link
In comment 16290005 djm said:
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are THE talking heads. Any sports talkies in this town aren't worth the lunch I am about to make. To be fair it's going to be amazing--Taylor Ham egg cheese on toasted everything bagel.

Listen to yourself first. Talkies have to drum up drama. Little Bill isn't coming here and I think he's done winning anyway.

+1
RE: It's not and  
DisgruntledNYGfan : 11/16/2023 12:36 am : link
In comment 16289975 JonC said:
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a big reason he didn't arrive back then was he wants extensive control of football operations, and ownership wouldn't agree to it. BB doesn't need the money, but a man like him is unlikely to change his ways/demands, imv.

He's 70+, the ship sailed long ago.


Not sure what the selling point is. He’s steered the Pats into a steady decline over the last several years.
The only way and I do mean ONLY way  
moespree : 11/16/2023 2:11 am : link
I can see this happening is if Daboll wants out and wants to return to Buffalo as the HC. He's under contract so that would require compensation. But if that were to happen, then it is something I can see Mara doing.

It's seriously the only way I can see this ever happening though. And by the way....I don't think Daboll will do that at all.
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