Manning said the Giants need to keep building around the 26-year-old, who tore his right ACL on Nov. 5 against the Raiders.
“They saw Daniel Jones, they were around him. They had him for a year and they trusted that, ‘Hey, this is a kid that has a bunch of upside,'” Manning told Andrew Marchand and John Ourand of the new Giants regime that started in 2022. “He’s still in the first year of the offense, played extremely well. He can run, he’s tough. He can make the throws. Just unfortunately, this was a tough year with injuries. … And so, I think you still got to trust your quarterback.
Eli sticks up for DJ - (
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Coming from the same people who said Jones was terrible for his entire career until they magically went silent during the entire 2022 season.
Again, we can have discussion on Jones and the future of the team but once you start litigating situations based on previous threads, that makes the conversation pointless.
I could point to a million things in the history of the Giants franchise where people ended up looking like idiots (including myself) but that is what makes this a message board and hey, you have to actually be honest with yourself when you are right or wrong about something.
These same people think they know more about QBs than Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll and that if for whatever strange reason they do not pick a quarterback, have to think they’ll start rooting for another franchise and never to be seen again.
BBI is a place where we can all share our ideas about whatever the fuck we want. But what is absurd is trying to have a conversation that is not based on anything rational. Like saying we should trade for Malik fucking Willis.
Christ, you’re so soft
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Daniel Jones is a bad quarterback.
That's a fact. It's been borne out over five years - a larger sample size than he's earned.
So either the Giants are trying to sell a fabrication (Daniel Jones is a good quarterback) or they are all honestly clueless.
Either way, not good.
*minus that one time where I disappeared and he dragged the team to the playoffs and broke a NFL record in that game and then returned immediately once the team started sucking again and he got hurt*
This post is fantastic. A perfect example of the disconnect with the Jones defenders. “he dragged the team to the playoffs”. Uh, wut? He DRAGGED the team to the playoffs? Bwahaaaaa! Yeah, sure he did. Whatever would they have done without those 15 TD passes!
And that is the crux of the issue. Jones defenders give him ALL the credit in the rare circumstances that they actually win. But in the 6000 circumstances that this team has been utterly embarrassing over the past 5 seasons, it’s not Jones’ fault. At all. It’s everyone else’s fault! Jones is just a victim here!
You simply cannot make this shit up. “He dragged the team to the playoffs”. 😂🤣😂
Unsurprisingly, the entire premise flies over your head like a wounded pigeon.
The hypothetical I posed isn't about Willis being good. It's that Jones is broken, expensive, and not very good.
So let me ask you this very simple question: do you think 2 years of Evan Neal would be enough for the Titans to take Jones's contract off the Giants?
Beating the Pats at home wouldn't exactly be a miracle.
Malik Willis is a terrible quarterback that you wouldn’t want on your roster under any circumstances.
So no, I am not trading Evan Neal and Daniel Jones for Malik Willis.
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for being good guys or working hard. For other people it's expected, for a select few it's celebrated.
What other players? Can’t start a thread on every guy that you root for.
This seems like such a silly complaint.
Sterling Shepard has been a model Giant for his entire career, has had to rehab through a litany of injuries and has been an example for others to follow as to how to carry oneself as a professional. No one actually cares about that nice guy, model citizen stuff in some cases, and when it comes to Jones people bring it up a lot as if it's some rare quality.
You're not answering the question.
Do you think two years of Evan Neal would be enough for the Titans to take on Jones's contract?
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Daniel Jones is a bad quarterback.
That's a fact. It's been borne out over five years - a larger sample size than he's earned.
So either the Giants are trying to sell a fabrication (Daniel Jones is a good quarterback) or they are all honestly clueless.
Either way, not good.
*minus that one time where I disappeared and he dragged the team to the playoffs and broke a NFL record in that game and then returned immediately once the team started sucking again and he got hurt*
This post is fantastic. A perfect example of the disconnect with the Jones defenders. “he dragged the team to the playoffs”. Uh, wut? He DRAGGED the team to the playoffs? Bwahaaaaa! Yeah, sure he did. Whatever would they have done without those 15 TD passes!
And that is the crux of the issue. Jones defenders give him ALL the credit in the rare circumstances that they actually win. But in the 6000 circumstances that this team has been utterly embarrassing over the past 5 seasons, it’s not Jones’ fault. At all. It’s everyone else’s fault! Jones is just a victim here!
You simply cannot make this shit up. “He dragged the team to the playoffs”. 😂🤣😂
I'd add, Jones gets a ton of a credit for playing well during 2022 and playing spectacularly against IND and MIN. But there were clear limitations to his game that capped the ceiling on this offense IMO, which is why I hated that deal. Too many latched onto those peak games and ignored the years of data supporting the idea Jones is a limited passer.
Eli knows more football than anyone, but nothing he said was worth while analytically.
Coming from the same people who said Jones was terrible for his entire career until they magically went silent during the entire 2022 season.
Again, we can have discussion on Jones and the future of the team but once you start litigating situations based on previous threads, that makes the conversation pointless.
I could point to a million things in the history of the Giants franchise where people ended up looking like idiots (including myself) but that is what makes this a message board and hey, you have to actually be honest with yourself when you are right or wrong about something.
These same people think they know more about QBs than Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll and that if for whatever strange reason they do not pick a quarterback, have to think they’ll start rooting for another franchise and never to be seen again.
BBI is a place where we can all share our ideas about whatever the fuck we want. But what is absurd is trying to have a conversation that is not based on anything rational. Like saying we should trade for Malik fucking Willis.
Sounds like you're embarrassed about that thread, Bucko.
The Giants should have franchised Jones. It's really that simple.
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for being good guys or working hard. For other people it's expected, for a select few it's celebrated.
What other players? Can’t start a thread on every guy that you root for.
This seems like such a silly complaint.
Sterling Shepard has been a model Giant for his entire career, has had to rehab through a litany of injuries and has been an example for others to follow as to how to carry oneself as a professional. No one actually cares about that nice guy, model citizen stuff in some cases, and when it comes to Jones people bring it up a lot as if it's some rare quality.
There are few threads on Shepard, he’s not a quarterback. And the ones that are consist of posts calling out his hard work and character.
Barkley is called out for his hard work and character often. Same with Dex and plenty of others.
This is such a non issue.
You think Patrick Mahomes doesn't work hard? Or Joe Burrow? Shit you think Josh Dobbs hasn't worked hard to stick around until he got a shot to maybe get a contact a fraction of what Jones got?
It's the NFL. Hard work is a prerequisite, and it alone is not good enough. Talent matters, and Jones doesn't have enough of it. That's why he was a zero star recruit that had to walk on at Duke.
Playing quarterback well in the NFL is really hard, and Jones isn't good enough to do it. No shame in that. And kudos to him for following a stupid organization into drafting him way higher than his talent deserved, and then doubling down on the error by making him a very rich man.
I hope that the next quarterback is forced to rise to a higher standard.
You are conflating arguments. First it was being upset that people talk about his work ethic and now it’s about giving him too many years. I’m commenting on the former.
Yes, the position matters because there’s more threads on QBs. More threads equals more posts so you see those comments more often. And you are upset people call out his work ethic. Why do you care? If those 12 posters flipped and said Jones sucks instead it wouldn’t change a thing.
The Thibodeaux comments were stupid. They also don’t matter.
That's why the fans like Notre Dame, Penn State, and BC players. They are from schools that also reflect those same traditional hard-working values.
This place explodes when we pick a player from one of the above schools, who lived in NY/NJ and was a Giants fan growing up. The ultimate trifecta...
DJ will be dealt or released sometime during the 2025 offseason just prior to or during the 2025 NFL Draft once he's healthy and his contract can be navigated through *it can't in 2024, but can be the following season). If he's not traded during the 2025 Draft, then he will be shortly thereafter prior to the start of training camp in 2025.
Simple. That's it. End of discussion.
Think about this. There were stories about whether Jones or Taylor gave the Giants a better chance to start just three weeks ago. Jones was quickly cleared the day after Taylor had the ribs injury, but there seemed to be no urgency prior to that.
Now, after a torn ACL the Giants are going to pass on a potential franchise altering QB prospect to roll with Jones?
I don't buy it. Reminds me of the Abrams GM noise.
Think about this. There were stories about whether Jones or Taylor gave the Giants a better chance to start just three weeks ago. Jones was quickly cleared the day after Taylor had the ribs injury, but there seemed to be no urgency prior to that.
Now, after a torn ACL the Giants are going to pass on a potential franchise altering QB prospect to roll with Jones?
I don't buy it. Reminds me of the Abrams GM noise.
Jones was cleared because he was deemed healthy and he was cleared before the game in which TT got hurt. You don't remember people screaming that he should have suited up because the MDs cleared him Sunday Morning before the game? If not, go back an look.
He wasn't cleared because TT got injured. He was cleared because he passed whatever tests the medical staff was giving him daily and that was Sunday morning of the Jets game.
So, you guys can freak out about what Eli said but he's just supporting the guy from a distance and I'm sure he talks to him every now and again, nothing other than that.
You think Patrick Mahomes doesn't work hard? Or Joe Burrow? Shit you think Josh Dobbs hasn't worked hard to stick around until he got a shot to maybe get a contact a fraction of what Jones got?
It's the NFL. Hard work is a prerequisite, and it alone is not good enough. Talent matters, and Jones doesn't have enough of it. That's why he was a zero star recruit that had to walk on at Duke.
Playing quarterback well in the NFL is really hard, and Jones isn't good enough to do it. No shame in that. And kudos to him for following a stupid organization into drafting him way higher than his talent deserved, and then doubling down on the error by making him a very rich man.
I hope that the next quarterback is forced to rise to a higher standard.
You don't have to keep making this same post in every thread dude.
Think about this. There were stories about whether Jones or Taylor gave the Giants a better chance to start just three weeks ago. Jones was quickly cleared the day after Taylor had the ribs injury, but there seemed to be no urgency prior to that.
Now, after a torn ACL the Giants are going to pass on a potential franchise altering QB prospect to roll with Jones?
I don't buy it. Reminds me of the Abrams GM noise.
Sean and Optimus - both spot on
[quote] Eli went through a lot of the issues Jones has except the injuries. The fan reaction towards him ....[
I cannot help but wonder if that what this is really about i.e. the pro-Jonse argument.
"oh you know we went through this with Eli and look how that turned out. "Oh I am old enough to remember the fans hating Phil Simms and look how that turned out"
Don't bother to mention that those 2 flashed serious star power by now.
And who were these idiots down on Eli . Why because he had a bad game or 2. Early Eli had pretty good numbers for that era of the NFL. All of a sudden Mitch Trubisky / Marcus Mariota numbers equates to "putting a team on his back and dragging them to the playoffs".
As far as this Eli comment ... you know Eli works for the Giants right? I love the posters "Eli knows how to evaluate film and knows more blah blah". Does anyone really think Eli went and evaluated film of Daniel Jones and said "gee that one is on the o-line and that one was Jones fault" So now I can give an opinion on Daniel Jones?
We all know Eli is not going to blast the guy even if he does believe it's time to move on. All he will ever do is support a Giants player who is working hard and trying. That should surprise nobody.
What I can tell you is that whatever Eli truly feels about Jones - positive or negative - will always be expressed publicly as positive. That is what he should be doing.
This is really much ado about absolutely nothing.
[quote] All of a sudden Mitch Trubisky / Marcus Mariota numbers equates to "putting a team on his back and dragging them to the playoffs".
The punchline to this comment: Mitch Trubisky was much better for the Bears than Jones has been for the Giants.
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You know why Daniel Jones is singled out for being a hard worker? Because little else good to say about him as a player.
You think Patrick Mahomes doesn't work hard? Or Joe Burrow? Shit you think Josh Dobbs hasn't worked hard to stick around until he got a shot to maybe get a contact a fraction of what Jones got?
It's the NFL. Hard work is a prerequisite, and it alone is not good enough. Talent matters, and Jones doesn't have enough of it. That's why he was a zero star recruit that had to walk on at Duke.
Playing quarterback well in the NFL is really hard, and Jones isn't good enough to do it. No shame in that. And kudos to him for following a stupid organization into drafting him way higher than his talent deserved, and then doubling down on the error by making him a very rich man.
I hope that the next quarterback is forced to rise to a higher standard.
You don't have to keep making this same post in every thread dude.
It's pretty funny. There are a few grown men (I assume) who seem to wake up, run to the computer and obsessively post 2 things:
*Daniel Jones sucks, and his contract was a mistake
*John Mara is meddling in personnel decisions
Who gives a shit? Why is that some sort of profound point that needs to be stated over and over again? Do you think your comments are going to force the perceived changes you want the team to make? Or are you just so hopelessly hung up on those singular points you can't help yourself?
I can't imagine needing to say that over and over again for no reason. The DJ contract's over and done with, and Mara's going to keep being involved to the point he sees fit. It's not really all that interesting.
We all know Eli is not going to blast the guy even if he does believe it's time to move on. All he will ever do is support a Giants player who is working hard and trying. That should surprise nobody.
What I can tell you is that whatever Eli truly feels about Jones - positive or negative - will always be expressed publicly as positive. That is what he should be doing.
This is really much ado about absolutely nothing.
For the record, I don't think anybody asked or even suggested that Eli go and do this, however I do think his opinion carries weight with the organization, and believe it's quite possible that ownership shares this sentiment about Jones.
In that regard, I don't care what Eli Manning thinks about Daniel Jones, but I do care what the organization thinks, and how the opinions of Giants legends like Eli may affect their decision-making.
Jones sucks. Owner sucks. Team sucks.
Cool. Bring some original material to the forefront every now and again.
I cannot wait for the draft because these guys are going to be out of their fucking minds if Schoen trades down or doesn't take a QB. Not that I agree with that strategy one way or the other but it will be a sight to see.
You can also start your own thread about a topic of interest.
Or even log off.
Jones sucks. Owner sucks. Team sucks.
Cool. Bring some original material to the forefront every now and again.
Why so. It is more fun to be right and point to the emperor not wearing any clothes than to read constant posts about about:
"see we were right Jones is a good QB and Shoen signing and Daboll approval proves it. And they know more than you. Anything else is a Mara conspiracy.
REally? On what planet does running it back with Jones make any kind of sense? And yea there still is a possibility of that on a 2 win team. Discussing that isn't at all interesting? Then what the fuck is?
I cannot wait for the draft because these guys are going to be out of their fucking minds if Schoen trades down or doesn't take a QB. Not that I agree with that strategy one way or the other but it will be a sight to see.
Your obsession with me is kinda creepy.
I cannot wait for the draft because these guys are going to be out of their fucking minds if Schoen trades down or doesn't take a QB. Not that I agree with that strategy one way or the other but it will be a sight to see.
It still surprises me that you are so self-unaware that you don't realize you are exactly the same. You post the same tired non-sense everyday, usually about ajr and Terps.
We get it....Daniel Jones' greatness fell victim to a poor team that hid his mage-potential. No QB on earth could have done more with this team than Jones did. Schoen and Daboll clearly agree. Everybody who disagrees is a bad person with an agenda and has mental defects that make them miserable people.
Dude - you are the mirror image of ajr and Terps. That is probably what upsets you so much about them.
Jones sucks. Owner sucks. Team sucks.
Cool. Bring some original material to the forefront every now and again.
People? Or just you?
I guarantee if you polled BBI, 100% of the respondents would prefer if you of all people didn't speak on their behalf.
In the meantime, I will be eagerly awaiting all of the original material that you'll be bringing to the forefront. Clearly you've been keeping it under wraps for the past few years.
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You know why Daniel Jones is singled out for being a hard worker? Because little else good to say about him as a player.
You think Patrick Mahomes doesn't work hard? Or Joe Burrow? Shit you think Josh Dobbs hasn't worked hard to stick around until he got a shot to maybe get a contact a fraction of what Jones got?
It's the NFL. Hard work is a prerequisite, and it alone is not good enough. Talent matters, and Jones doesn't have enough of it. That's why he was a zero star recruit that had to walk on at Duke.
Playing quarterback well in the NFL is really hard, and Jones isn't good enough to do it. No shame in that. And kudos to him for following a stupid organization into drafting him way higher than his talent deserved, and then doubling down on the error by making him a very rich man.
I hope that the next quarterback is forced to rise to a higher standard.
You don't have to keep making this same post in every thread dude.
It's pretty funny. There are a few grown men (I assume) who seem to wake up, run to the computer and obsessively post 2 things:
*Daniel Jones sucks, and his contract was a mistake
*John Mara is meddling in personnel decisions
Who gives a shit? Why is that some sort of profound point that needs to be stated over and over again? Do you think your comments are going to force the perceived changes you want the team to make? Or are you just so hopelessly hung up on those singular points you can't help yourself?
I can't imagine needing to say that over and over again for no reason. The DJ contract's over and done with, and Mara's going to keep being involved to the point he sees fit. It's not really all that interesting.
If the front office didn't read BBI, Bob Papa wouldn't have mentioned the BBI "chat rooms" on his Twitter rant earlier this week.
This is their first stop for fan sentiment.
I was in car yesterday listening to his radio show on SiriusXM and he mentioned that Giant fans were going apoplectic on a site right after Daniel Jones had his big game against Washington a few years ago and beat them in OT, essentially losing out on the Chase Young lottery.
I'd rather just see how it plays out and reflect on how icy Jones was against Minnesota last year.
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You know why Daniel Jones is singled out for being a hard worker? Because little else good to say about him as a player.
You think Patrick Mahomes doesn't work hard? Or Joe Burrow? Shit you think Josh Dobbs hasn't worked hard to stick around until he got a shot to maybe get a contact a fraction of what Jones got?
It's the NFL. Hard work is a prerequisite, and it alone is not good enough. Talent matters, and Jones doesn't have enough of it. That's why he was a zero star recruit that had to walk on at Duke.
Playing quarterback well in the NFL is really hard, and Jones isn't good enough to do it. No shame in that. And kudos to him for following a stupid organization into drafting him way higher than his talent deserved, and then doubling down on the error by making him a very rich man.
I hope that the next quarterback is forced to rise to a higher standard.
You don't have to keep making this same post in every thread dude.
It's pretty funny. There are a few grown men (I assume) who seem to wake up, run to the computer and obsessively post 2 things:
*Daniel Jones sucks, and his contract was a mistake
*John Mara is meddling in personnel decisions
Who gives a shit? Why is that some sort of profound point that needs to be stated over and over again? Do you think your comments are going to force the perceived changes you want the team to make? Or are you just so hopelessly hung up on those singular points you can't help yourself?
I can't imagine needing to say that over and over again for no reason. The DJ contract's over and done with, and Mara's going to keep being involved to the point he sees fit. It's not really all that interesting.
I could not agree more. It's incredibly tiresome. After DJ got injured, I was going to post that the only blessing would be that all the DJ threads would slow down. Alas ...
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Cool. Bring some original material to the forefront every now and again.
I'd rather just see how it plays out and reflect on how icy Jones was against Minnesota last year.
Ha
You think Patrick Mahomes doesn't work hard? Or Joe Burrow? Shit you think Josh Dobbs hasn't worked hard to stick around until he got a shot to maybe get a contact a fraction of what Jones got?
It's the NFL. Hard work is a prerequisite, and it alone is not good enough. Talent matters, and Jones doesn't have enough of it. That's why he was a zero star recruit that had to walk on at Duke.
Playing quarterback well in the NFL is really hard, and Jones isn't good enough to do it. No shame in that. And kudos to him for following a stupid organization into drafting him way higher than his talent deserved, and then doubling down on the error by making him a very rich man.
I hope that the next quarterback is forced to rise to a higher standard.
I think Eli said more than just DJ being a hard worker.
1. Coaches like him.
2. Has a TON of upside.
3. Has all the intangibles.
4. Still in first season of new offense. (didn't realize)
5. Can make the throws.
Let's reference the article and not just stick to the drum beat theme.
But only one segment of fans, apparently. I guess the Jones fan boys aren’t constantly on the same exact threads repeating their nonsense over and over and over again. Only the posters that think Jones sucks. Jones fans are just victims of circumstance. Just like their hero
Jones sucks. Owner sucks. Team sucks.
Cool. Bring some original material to the forefront every now and again.
Same logic should apply to you clowns, no?
I was in car yesterday listening to his radio show on SiriusXM and he mentioned that Giant fans were going apoplectic on a site right after Daniel Jones had his big game against Washington a few years ago and beat them in OT, essentially losing out on the Chase Young lottery.
The front office absolutely reads BBI. Or have people in the org reading and passing along info. That has been outed multiple times. Look no further than the fantastic clown show pic Eric’s daughter produced and Eric posted here. Immediately followed by:
“We are not a clown show organization”- Joe Judge
You're the sales manager at a family owned plumbing supply company in town. You report to the owner, and she's given you assurance you have the final say on your sales staff.
Her brother works there in an ambiguous leadership position, and her nephew who has a habit of running his mouth, reports to you.
Your job is to hire the best sales team possible, under a tight budget, and allocate them just right so you hit your sales numbers. If you don't hit the numbers in 3 consecutive years, good chance you'll be fired.
The rub is she has favorites and let's that be known publicly. One time in a public place she let it be known she regretted the raw deal her favorite got, and she was pulling for him to get the lead job.
She's not a bad person. And she really cares about the company and the people. But she has a habit of doing this stuff. Especially when the sales numbers are down.
Would you find this person helpful or hurtful to your ability to do your job?
Even if he wasn't employed by the Giants, does anyone think Eli's answer would be any different? I don't.