Manning said the Giants need to keep building around the 26-year-old, who tore his right ACL on Nov. 5 against the Raiders.
“They saw Daniel Jones, they were around him. They had him for a year and they trusted that, ‘Hey, this is a kid that has a bunch of upside,'” Manning told Andrew Marchand and John Ourand of the new Giants regime that started in 2022. “He’s still in the first year of the offense, played extremely well. He can run, he’s tough. He can make the throws. Just unfortunately, this was a tough year with injuries. … And so, I think you still got to trust your quarterback.
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Man has a worse QBR than DeVito.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess you're actually not familiar with what a lottery tickets is.
He's worse than the current Giants QB. Have at it.
Yes. And that is why he'd be a low cost, lottery ticket to see if he could develop into a back up.
I think you agree with me, no?
I don't know what this fascination with Malik Willis is and why he's got a defense force. I can't recall as bad as a player getting something like this on this site. He wasn't very good in college and he's been brutal as a pro. Are we that stuck on admitting we are wrong and just moving on?
2) He already wasn't the same player this year as last year. I don't know why not, but at this point, the Giants can't afford to simply hope he'll return to form and then improve.
3) Leaving aside the remote possibility he comes back better than ever, the next-best-case-scenario is that Alex Smith::Patrick Mahomes = Daniel Jones::(the Giants next rookie QB) We can but hope.
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christian - you would trade Evan Neal and Daniel Jones for Malik Willis? Was that a serious comment?
Of course I would.
Jones is damaged goods and the Giants would have to include something in exchange for a team to take the 36M and remaining guarantees.
The Giants would effectively be giving the Titans 2 years of Evan Neal for taking the horrible Jones contract off their hands.
And the Giants would get a near no-cost lottery ticket on Willis to see if he can develop as a backup.
I believe you would.
And I believe if given the opportunity to get out from Jones's bad contract, you wouldn't.
See how that works?
Actually Christian that s not how it works. It would be best for the Giants if they could get out from under that contract, which I would be in favor off.
“That s how it works”. Hyperbole like, trading Neal and Jones for Malik Willis is not a good way to make your point about Jones
I would be surprised if many if any of the other posters in your corner regarding Jones would agree with your take.
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I don't think Eli is a shill... I think he believes this.
“He’s going to come back, he’s going to be healthy. He works hard. He’s a great teammate. He does all the intangible things really, really well, and I think they got to trust him, can put some guys, get help around them and continue to grow with these teams. I think when you sign your key guys to contracts, Saquon [Barkley], Dexter Lawrence, Daniel … you put these guys, you keep adding guys around them and you don’t just say, hey, switch it up right away because you have one bad year.”
What I find funny is so many of these people who are questioning Eli's take on Jones hang onto every word Sy types in criticism of Jones. Which one knows the game of football, and especially quarterback play, better?
This is precious. Eli and Jones are friends you nitwit. What do you expect him to say? At least Sy is breaking down the games, play by play. I’ll take Sy’s opinion over Eli’s. I love Eli but he isn’t breaking down film like others do. He’s sticking up for his buddy.
You guys acting like it’s all settled now, Eli praised him so we are good and Jones is the perfect man for the job are hysterical. But Eli said so!!!!
Nitwit? For respecting the opinion of a guy who has deep knowledge of the game and what quarterbacks do over that of a guy who works for a draft guide whose background is a deep dark mystery. You take the latter's opinion as gospel even though you have no idea at all what his background is. I hate to think who you listen to to form opinions on things that are actually matter.
Sure Eli is friends with Jones. Does that mean he can't give an honest opinion of what he can and can't do? Did he say he is a a pro bowl QB? No. He gave a logical assessment of where he thinks Jones stands with the team. What did he say that was controversial.
I love Sy's contributions here, read every bit of it. But do any of you even know what his actually background is? I'd really encourage Eric and Sy to put that up on here. I find it really odd that they don't. If he actually did scouting or evaluation for an NFL that would lend huge credibility to his work. I've been to the Ourland's site and even they don't list anything in his bio about working with NFL teams. I can't imagine they wouldn't highlight because of the credibility that would bring to their product. I have seen comments that the poster "has heard" he works for NFL teams? If so, doing what? Scouting or player evaluation? I'd be surprised if he is that he hasn't pursued that full-time over working at Ourland's. Is he breaking down film? That's a far crime from being a player or scout. College interns do that for NCAA programs. Breaking down film is editing, not evaluating.
I covered the NFL and big Ten football for several years, games, practices. In the press box and on the sidelines. I interviewed coaches, players, scouts, owners. I could probably break down film to meet the coaches' needs. I could certainly do what draft guides need (and do). But I would never claim to be able to be better at evaluating player X than someone who has played the game, and especially the position involved. If I tried to do that, THEN I would be a nitwit.
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I don't think Eli is a shill... I think he believes this.
“He’s going to come back, he’s going to be healthy. He works hard. He’s a great teammate. He does all the intangible things really, really well, and I think they got to trust him, can put some guys, get help around them and continue to grow with these teams. I think when you sign your key guys to contracts, Saquon [Barkley], Dexter Lawrence, Daniel … you put these guys, you keep adding guys around them and you don’t just say, hey, switch it up right away because you have one bad year.”
What I find funny is so many of these people who are questioning Eli's take on Jones hang onto every word Sy types in criticism of Jones. Which one knows the game of football, and especially quarterback play, better?
This is precious. Eli and Jones are friends you nitwit. What do you expect him to say? At least Sy is breaking down the games, play by play. I’ll take Sy’s opinion over Eli’s. I love Eli but he isn’t breaking down film like others do. He’s sticking up for his buddy.
You guys acting like it’s all settled now, Eli praised him so we are good and Jones is the perfect man for the job are hysterical. But Eli said so!!!!
When it comes to QB play - I'd take Eli. 16 year pro. Two time SB MVP, son and brother of NFL QBs. You don't think in his 20 years as college and pro QB he ever brokedown video/film? He does it each week on his alt MNF broadcast.
I think both Sy and Eli can breakdown QB play. They may disagree, but they can talk on equal terms unlike usins here on BBI! Another thing, Eli and Peyton see things as the happen while doing the broadcast. You sometimes hear them predict the play and outcome before the snap.
I completely agree with you about Eli and his qualifications but it only makes sense if you think this is his honest assessment and an assessment he is making with doing all the due diligence of a coach.. in this case he is just doing what a good team mate says.. Eli is a huge Giants fan and he has a bond with Daniel Jones.. This isn't a full blown assessment of Daniel Jones.. Eli has no skin in the game other than the risk of saying something honest and bad about the current Giants QB and then getting called out for it later in life..
Point out what Manning said about Jones that was over the top praise of his quarterback play. Nothing he said indicated he thought Jones was a star. Most of what he said talks about what the TEAM thinks of Jones.
See,,,,👍
The signing always represented that the organization felt they were in a Super Bowl window with the team they had. Link - ( New Window )
This was my favorite post in that DJ signing thread. And no surprise it comes from the No1 poster on the site.
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To the fans upset about this, what exactly did you want the Giants to do? Let him walk for nothing? Draft a QB?
Genuinely curious...
Tag him.
So glad we didn’t!!! That would have been WORST case scenario.
It's not about Malik Willis. Pick any near-minimum salary player in the NFL. In fact let's call it a conditional 7th round pick in 2030 draft.
If a team was willing to take a broken down Daniel Jones and save the Giants the remaining 36M in guarantees, and the Giants had to throw in 2 years of Evan Neal, I'd do that in heartbeat.
The Titans give up their 2030 7th round pick, the Giants give Daniel Jones, Evan Neal, and save 43M.
That's easy.
“That s how it works”. Hyperbole like, trading Neal and Jones for Malik Willis is not a good way to make your point about Jones
I would be surprised if many if any of the other posters in your corner regarding Jones would agree with your take.
So think this out logically.
Daniel Jones has 36M in unpaid guarantees left on his contract, and is about undergo an ACL repair.
He also has 25M in injury guarantees on 2025 that convey if he gets hurt again next year and cannot pass physical.
So even playing him next year is a risk.
The Giants would have to give something of value to a team to take on that 36M in guarantees.
What do you think it would take?
If a team would take that liability from the Giants in exchange for two years of Evan Neal, I'd do that.
Move on if you decide his upside is too limited and he will never be a good QB.
What could be career ending is his recurring neck injury. That should be the focus and not some bogus effort to justify dumping the kid because of his ACL.
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I don't think Eli is a shill... I think he believes this.
“He’s going to come back, he’s going to be healthy. He works hard. He’s a great teammate. He does all the intangible things really, really well, and I think they got to trust him, can put some guys, get help around them and continue to grow with these teams. I think when you sign your key guys to contracts, Saquon [Barkley], Dexter Lawrence, Daniel … you put these guys, you keep adding guys around them and you don’t just say, hey, switch it up right away because you have one bad year.”
What I find funny is so many of these people who are questioning Eli's take on Jones hang onto every word Sy types in criticism of Jones. Which one knows the game of football, and especially quarterback play, better?
This is precious. Eli and Jones are friends you nitwit. What do you expect him to say? At least Sy is breaking down the games, play by play. I’ll take Sy’s opinion over Eli’s. I love Eli but he isn’t breaking down film like others do. He’s sticking up for his buddy.
You guys acting like it’s all settled now, Eli praised him so we are good and Jones is the perfect man for the job are hysterical. But Eli said so!!!!
Nitwit? For respecting the opinion of a guy who has deep knowledge of the game and what quarterbacks do over that of a guy who works for a draft guide whose background is a deep dark mystery. You take the latter's opinion as gospel even though you have no idea at all what his background is. I hate to think who you listen to to form opinions on things that are actually matter.
Sure Eli is friends with Jones. Does that mean he can't give an honest opinion of what he can and can't do? Did he say he is a a pro bowl QB? No. He gave a logical assessment of where he thinks Jones stands with the team. What did he say that was controversial.
I love Sy's contributions here, read every bit of it. But do any of you even know what his actually background is? I'd really encourage Eric and Sy to put that up on here. I find it really odd that they don't. If he actually did scouting or evaluation for an NFL that would lend huge credibility to his work. I've been to the Ourland's site and even they don't list anything in his bio about working with NFL teams. I can't imagine they wouldn't highlight because of the credibility that would bring to their product. I have seen comments that the poster "has heard" he works for NFL teams? If so, doing what? Scouting or player evaluation? I'd be surprised if he is that he hasn't pursued that full-time over working at Ourland's. Is he breaking down film? That's a far crime from being a player or scout. College interns do that for NCAA programs. Breaking down film is editing, not evaluating.
I covered the NFL and big Ten football for several years, games, practices. In the press box and on the sidelines. I interviewed coaches, players, scouts, owners. I could probably break down film to meet the coaches' needs. I could certainly do what draft guides need (and do). But I would never claim to be able to be better at evaluating player X than someone who has played the game, and especially the position involved. If I tried to do that, THEN I would be a nitwit.
Good post. There is a group here that will try and discredit any comments that don’t support their narrative.
Do the Giants want to put Jones, coming off rehab on the field, and risk a direct or indirect injury?
I say this with no sarcasm -- a slower, less nimble Jones doesn't sound safe.
Move on if you decide his upside is too limited and he will never be a good QB.
What could be career ending is his recurring neck injury. That should be the focus and not some bogus effort to justify dumping the kid because of his ACL.
It took SB a full year of playing to feel comfortable on his again. If it's similar for Jones, which it may not me but let's not discount that possibilities, 2024 is going to be a disaster
When you're surrounded by elite athletes, the differences are in the 1 to 10%.
DJ is a great guy, and he is loved by many fans, but he is not a true starting QB, he's a 160 million dollar back-up QB, thanks to the stupidity of John Mara.
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Huh?
I don't follow... what is so interesting about the timing?
This is about the fourth person this week connected to the Giants to come out in defense of Jones.
They’re either trial balloons or the Giants trying to distract from the garbage on the field, or both.
Perhaps, just maybe, those people that said it, meant it. Shocking that former teammates would come out in support of a guy that blew out his knee. Shocking. They were all prompeted by the FO....
You really think all of these people who all happen to be on the Giants payroll (Eli included) also just happen to choose this week to come out in support of DJ? It wasn't last week immediately after the injury. It wasn't during the neck injury. It wasn't even spread out in a way that might occur organically. It's all coincidentally right now.
You haven't seen this playbook before with the Giants? You don't need to be Connor Stalions to steal Mara/Hanlon's signs here.
The signing always represented that the organization felt they were in a Super Bowl window with the team they had. Link - ( New Window )
My favorite post in that thread comes from the same guy who literally celebrated on here when DJ got injured:
PaulN : 3/7/2023 5:44 pm : link
Idiots that think they needed this gigantic emergency cute were people who are stupid enough to not be sold on Jones. I think he has to up his game, no more bullshit, but I also believe he will. Without knowing details other then 18 million year 1, probably total contract worth up to 160 mil with incentives, and sounds like 92 million of thr contract is guaranteed. If this is the case, and it takes a lot to decider through all the bullshit, then the Giants did a great job. Giant fans will be happy.
I'll take the bow on that. You're welcome and I am.
Enough of it. Either the dude can lead us to a Super Bowl or he can't. And the evidence thus far strongly suggests the answer is the latter. Yeah, he comes across as a good kid, hard worker, & all that jazz...but I'm more interested in, ya know, winning. And even before Jones went down, his play wasn't worth $40 million, much less being the 6th pick overall.
The sooner we turn the page, the better.
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Always fun to look back on. My favorite is "we are still rebuilding, but we are paying the QB $160M."
The signing always represented that the organization felt they were in a Super Bowl window with the team they had. Link - ( New Window )
My favorite post in that thread comes from the same guy who literally celebrated on here when DJ got injured:
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Idiots that think they needed this gigantic emergency cute were people who are stupid enough to not be sold on Jones. I think he has to up his game, no more bullshit, but I also believe he will. Without knowing details other then 18 million year 1, probably total contract worth up to 160 mil with incentives, and sounds like 92 million of thr contract is guaranteed. If this is the case, and it takes a lot to decider through all the bullshit, then the Giants did a great job. Giant fans will be happy.
My favorites are all the people saying there wouldn’t be excuses. Only to be the ones to make them
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I don't think Eli is a shill... I think he believes this.
“He works hard. He’s a great teammate. He does all the intangible things really, really well.”
But doesn't win many football games
Of course you are right... I mean this is a one man team.
no, but QB makes all the difference. How many times has Jones elevated this team to win as compared to the number of times he has lost games on his own?
It never seems to be what's going on on the field.
What other players? Can’t start a thread on every guy that you root for.
This seems like such a silly complaint.
I'm not so sure it reads very excellently to a certain contingent!
The Titans give up their 2030 7th round pick, the Giants give Daniel Jones, Evan Neal, and save 43M.
That's easy.
But you're arguing with people who insist they've seen enough to declare Willis is a bust (he may be), but also believe the jury is still out on Evan Neal and it's too early to give up on him (it may be).
- They made one opening day upgrade to the offensive line - JMS
- They made no real improvements to the run game
- The only material talent upgrades on that side of the ball were Waller and Hyatt, and they brought back 4/6 WRs from last year
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The Titans give up their 2030 7th round pick, the Giants give Daniel Jones, Evan Neal, and save 43M.
That's easy.
But you're arguing with people who insist they've seen enough to declare Willis is a bust (he may be), but also believe the jury is still out on Evan Neal and it's too early to give up on him (it may be).
Not to mention the same people calling Willis a bust still need to see more to make an evaluation of Daniel Jones. 5 years later…
So, ostensibly, does Joe Judge. What do we think of him?
If you were the Titans, would 2 years of Evan Neal be enough compensation to take Daniel Jones's shitty contract off our hands? If so, and knowing you can't make a trade for nothing, can we have Malik Willis?
Not surprised by the reaction. When you read something about Jones, from the guy who played the position, that you don’t agree with, blame it on Johnny Boy
Very disrespectful to Eli by the way to suggest what you are suggesting
The sentiment of some of the DJ haters on this board that anyone who speaks well of him is a shill, is meant to cut off all debate. That's it, compliment him and it's a lie, let's move on. Thank you, Eli, great hearing from someone who knows something about QB play rather than we self-ordained experts on this board, who don't know a freaking thing about it. BTW a lot of fans want to draft Caleb Williams, don't USC QBs have a poor record of succeeding in NFL?
Sean : 3/7/2023 7:07 pm : link
When you make this kind of commitment in a QB, you do it because you feel he can lead the team to a Super Bowl during the contract. I’m shocked I’m getting pushback on this.
Sean was right @ the time. & the premise looks LOL 8 months later. Daniel Jones leading a team to the Super Bowl? Better chance of Margot Robbie, Jessica Alba, & I having a 3some this weekend.
“I don’t know,’’ Daboll said. “You practice that each week. Try to be as ready as you can in every situation. You take each game as they come.’’
It's amazing that the Colts and Vikings games led to the $81M commitment. But, when you add the Barkley factor it makes sense. This is why I hate the blanket statements of "never pay RB's" - in this case paying the RB and franchising the QB would have been much more cost effective.
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The whole thing was a perfect storm of disaster. I fully belief Schoen and Daboll will learn from this. Schoen wasn't even sold during the bye week. He made it clear they were talking to Barkley about a contract while not even entertaining it with Jones.
I get it though, they were never cutting both loose. That would have been extreme and wildly idealistic to think that would have ever been on the table.
Coming from the same people who said Jones was terrible for his entire career until they magically went silent during the entire 2022 season.
Again, we can have discussion on Jones and the future of the team but once you start litigating situations based on previous threads, that makes the conversation pointless.
I could point to a million things in the history of the Giants franchise where people ended up looking like idiots (including myself) but that is what makes this a message board and hey, you have to actually be honest with yourself when you are right or wrong about something.
These same people think they know more about QBs than Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll and that if for whatever strange reason they do not pick a quarterback, have to think they’ll start rooting for another franchise and never to be seen again.
BBI is a place where we can all share our ideas about whatever the fuck we want. But what is absurd is trying to have a conversation that is not based on anything rational. Like saying we should trade for Malik fucking Willis.
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The Titans give up their 2030 7th round pick, the Giants give Daniel Jones, Evan Neal, and save 43M.
That's easy.
But you're arguing with people who insist they've seen enough to declare Willis is a bust (he may be), but also believe the jury is still out on Evan Neal and it's too early to give up on him (it may be).
Not to mention the same people calling Willis a bust still need to see more to make an evaluation of Daniel Jones. 5 years later…
Willis got outplayed by Logan Woodside in camp and preseason to be beaten out for the #2 job. He got a chance late in the season and performed pathetically. Benched in the finale for a guy signed a few short days earlier (Josh Dobbs). Second year and he looks comically worse and new 2nd rd pick (many of which here were knocking in Will Levis) comes in and looks light years ahead.
Why is it frowned upon to declare him a bust? He's been putrid. Just because Neal has not worked out doesn't suddenly make Willis any worth of value. Undrafted QBs like DeVito and Bagent have performed better. Neal can move to Guard. Willis can't move anywhere.
I have no problem admitting Neal is an issue but he was unquestionably the top OT in the draft. He wasn't Orlando Pace coming out but he had All Pro upside. It hasn't clicked, and it's common for OTs. Ickey Ekwonu has been terrible in his second year. So hindsight fans can't immediately switch to him. As for Jones, I think with the neck and knee injury it is safe to say his time here is ending. Fortunately the contract was set up as such as a pricey prove-it deal. Still want Malik Willis as if it will help or have any meaningful value in the long run? Schoen is better off drafting two quarterbacks in the next draft. Willis will be lucky to be a gadget guy soon if not out of the league.
Coming from the same people who said Jones was terrible for his entire career until they magically went silent during the entire 2022 season.
Who went silent? The only person I can think of is Terps, who left in the midst of a thread where a mod was threatening him with a banning for being -- I shit you not -- critical of Jones during a rare time Jones was playing well with consistency.
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I don't think Eli is a shill... I think he believes this.
“He’s going to come back, he’s going to be healthy. He works hard. He’s a great teammate. He does all the intangible things really, really well, and I think they got to trust him, can put some guys, get help around them and continue to grow with these teams. I think when you sign your key guys to contracts, Saquon [Barkley], Dexter Lawrence, Daniel … you put these guys, you keep adding guys around them and you don’t just say, hey, switch it up right away because you have one bad year.”
What I find funny is so many of these people who are questioning Eli's take on Jones hang onto every word Sy types in criticism of Jones. Which one knows the game of football, and especially quarterback play, better?
This is precious. Eli and Jones are friends you nitwit. What do you expect him to say? At least Sy is breaking down the games, play by play. I’ll take Sy’s opinion over Eli’s. I love Eli but he isn’t breaking down film like others do. He’s sticking up for his buddy.
You guys acting like it’s all settled now, Eli praised him so we are good and Jones is the perfect man for the job are hysterical. But Eli said so!!!!
Nitwit? For respecting the opinion of a guy who has deep knowledge of the game and what quarterbacks do over that of a guy who works for a draft guide whose background is a deep dark mystery. You take the latter's opinion as gospel even though you have no idea at all what his background is. I hate to think who you listen to to form opinions on things that are actually matter.
Sure Eli is friends with Jones. Does that mean he can't give an honest opinion of what he can and can't do? Did he say he is a a pro bowl QB? No. He gave a logical assessment of where he thinks Jones stands with the team. What did he say that was controversial.
I love Sy's contributions here, read every bit of it. But do any of you even know what his actually background is? I'd really encourage Eric and Sy to put that up on here. I find it really odd that they don't. If he actually did scouting or evaluation for an NFL that would lend huge credibility to his work. I've been to the Ourland's site and even they don't list anything in his bio about working with NFL teams. I can't imagine they wouldn't highlight because of the credibility that would bring to their product. I have seen comments that the poster "has heard" he works for NFL teams? If so, doing what? Scouting or player evaluation? I'd be surprised if he is that he hasn't pursued that full-time over working at Ourland's. Is he breaking down film? That's a far crime from being a player or scout. College interns do that for NCAA programs. Breaking down film is editing, not evaluating.
I covered the NFL and big Ten football for several years, games, practices. In the press box and on the sidelines. I interviewed coaches, players, scouts, owners. I could probably break down film to meet the coaches' needs. I could certainly do what draft guides need (and do). But I would never claim to be able to be better at evaluating player X than someone who has played the game, and especially the position involved. If I tried to do that, THEN I would be a nitwit.
Wow, an intelligent post.
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The Titans give up their 2030 7th round pick, the Giants give Daniel Jones, Evan Neal, and save 43M.
That's easy.
But you're arguing with people who insist they've seen enough to declare Willis is a bust (he may be), but also believe the jury is still out on Evan Neal and it's too early to give up on him (it may be).
Not to mention the same people calling Willis a bust still need to see more to make an evaluation of Daniel Jones. 5 years later…
Willis got outplayed by Logan Woodside in camp and preseason to be beaten out for the #2 job. He got a chance late in the season and performed pathetically. Benched in the finale for a guy signed a few short days earlier (Josh Dobbs). Second year and he looks comically worse and new 2nd rd pick (many of which here were knocking in Will Levis) comes in and looks light years ahead.
Why is it frowned upon to declare him a bust? He's been putrid. Just because Neal has not worked out doesn't suddenly make Willis any worth of value. Undrafted QBs like DeVito and Bagent have performed better. Neal can move to Guard. Willis can't move anywhere.
I have no problem admitting Neal is an issue but he was unquestionably the top OT in the draft. He wasn't Orlando Pace coming out but he had All Pro upside. It hasn't clicked, and it's common for OTs. Ickey Ekwonu has been terrible in his second year. So hindsight fans can't immediately switch to him. As for Jones, I think with the neck and knee injury it is safe to say his time here is ending. Fortunately the contract was set up as such as a pricey prove-it deal. Still want Malik Willis as if it will help or have any meaningful value in the long run? Schoen is better off drafting two quarterbacks in the next draft. Willis will be lucky to be a gadget guy soon if not out of the league.
Nobody is praising Willis. You seem to be stuck on him. cristian CLEARLY made his point on why he included Willis in a deal earlier. It doesn’t have to be Willis. If you choose to ignore his posts, that’s your problem not mine. As far as my comments, no you do not get to give Daniel Jones year 6 to county the evaluation and simultaneously call ANY other player in the NFL a bust after 1 1/2 years. Sorry. That’s just completely asinine. If it takes 6 years to evaluate for some of you at least be consistent
When Malik Willis gets brought into the conversation I no longer have interest in discussing the Giants or football. Sorry. It’s just not helpful.
Probably right around mid 2021 and definitely after the season, Go Terps started the Willis movement. “He could step in right now and be better than Jones.” “He’s a guy I really love, could be the next X” “man this Willis kid, I’m telling ya…” “I am certain that Daboll would love Malik Willis”
And then everyone said wow you’re right Terps Willis could really change this franchise his upside is insane…
And then, when he fell to the third round and it turned out he was absolutely terrible, and Jones led the Giants to the playoffs, everyone forgot about Willis (rightfully so.)
And now that the Giants are having a shitty season, the same guy is bringing Willis back up again as to say “hey - well we wouldn’t be worse off with Willis so we should have drafted him and let Jones go!”
That type of thinking is utterly absurd and deserves no breath on BBI. But hey - I guess it is what it is.
Then again some here wanted him #5 ovr. - ( New Window )
Coming from the same people who said Jones was terrible for his entire career until they magically went silent during the entire 2022 season.
Again, we can have discussion on Jones and the future of the team but once you start litigating situations based on previous threads, that makes the conversation pointless.
I could point to a million things in the history of the Giants franchise where people ended up looking like idiots (including myself) but that is what makes this a message board and hey, you have to actually be honest with yourself when you are right or wrong about something.
These same people think they know more about QBs than Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll and that if for whatever strange reason they do not pick a quarterback, have to think they’ll start rooting for another franchise and never to be seen again.
BBI is a place where we can all share our ideas about whatever the fuck we want. But what is absurd is trying to have a conversation that is not based on anything rational. Like saying we should trade for Malik fucking Willis.
Christ, you’re so soft