NFT: Knicks @ Hawks 7:30 pm also Fred Katz article

One win for beating the Hawks and a second win for beating the refs.

For the Kaynixxx

a late Thibs sideline play and DDV holding onto the damn ball too long.

but you can always count on him to come up absolutely clutch..

Mitch is an absokute beast, its just unbelievable how good he is on the boards..

Randle a monster game, clutch shots, great rebounding, effecient game.

Hart is just steady he may not light it up, but he will do everything else on the court to win, same with DDV, they may not hit shots but they are still going to effect the game and do what they can

Knicks got down 7 and Quick said nope, a quick 5 points and then draw the defense and a 3 from Brunson and Knicks in the lead..

Quickley on the court made it easier for Brunson because they couldnt jist leave Murray on Brunson and when Knicks got the switch they attack Young

Healthy.
Great game by Randle and IQ.
DDV should never in bound the ball again one time throws it to the hawks than can't get it in

no KP or Brown, impressive win...

as pointed out. He has learned to stay in the game without drawing unnecessary fouls. He didn't have one foul.

But nice win. Fuck Trae young. Randle was huge tonight.

Good to see Gus Johnson doing Knicks games again.

he only counted to 4 on the 5 second call, watch it, he mlves his arm 4 times and then calls a 5 second
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In comment 16290755 nygiants16 said:

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he only counted to 4 on the 5 second call, watch it, he mlves his arm 4 times and then calls a 5 second Link - ( New Window )

Definitely a quick 5 second. He should never do another Knick game.

When Knicks played ATL the second game of the season, Hunter looked great; Hawks best player with 27 points. Went toe-to-toe with RJ's 26 points in match-up of the #3 and #4 picks from the 2019 draft.

But Hunter has only had one 20 point game since, and his stinker last night against Knicks is, at this point, not an aberration. In the Hawks' last six games, he's also had lines of 4 points on 1-3 in 30 minutes and 8 points on 2-13 in 33 minutes.

He's in the first year of his 4/$90M extension. Hawks have to be concerned.

who made good decisions and wasn't a catastrophe down the stretch. That 5 second call seemed quick in real time. That's a disgrace. How the fuck do you screw up COUNTING???
And the two foul calls that put Trae at the end down the stretch were ridiculous.

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Julius Randle told Immanuel Quickley to “Be yourself” in the timeout right before IQ came in with 5 straight to even the game.

As Per @joshhart

I haven't seen anything on twitter this morning.
So if Grimes is out for an extended period of time who do you start?

I would want IQ but we need a back-up PG.
DDV and Hart are scary in extended minutes.

but he was a disaster with the turnovers last night. Hopefully he cleans that up, especially if Grimes is out for an extended time.

he came out on instagram and said that the story was not true, he turned down the job a week ago and it was because he didnt feel like it was the right time to take the job..

Marchand of course doubling down on his story and calling out Rose

Agreed with those who said the Knicks miss RJ. They really do.

Glad Randle had a good game. Hopefully he can continue to build off performances like that.

In comment 16290966 larryflower37 said:

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I haven't seen anything on twitter this morning. So if Grimes is out for an extended period of time who do you start? I would want IQ but we need a back-up PG. DDV and Hart are scary in extended minutes.

If Rj is back i think Thibs starts Hart and DDV's minutes pick up a little bit..

I think both are fine, they are not going to light it up but both will do all the little things that helps a team win they are winners. Hart had some big time rebounds last night..

In comment 16290987 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 16290966 larryflower37 said: Quote: I haven't seen anything on twitter this morning. So if Grimes is out for an extended period of time who do you start? I would want IQ but we need a back-up PG. DDV and Hart are scary in extended minutes. If Rj is back i think Thibs starts Hart and DDV's minutes pick up a little bit.. I think both are fine, they are not going to light it up but both will do all the little things that helps a team win they are winners. Hart had some big time rebounds last night..

The turnovers and the bad basketball IQ are what scares me with both of them.
They are dogs and play hard every minute but damn some of the bonehead plays they make.

they are 2 of the smarter players on this team, did DDV habe some bad turnovers tonight? yeah but the way him and Hart play off the Knicks scorers shows they habe really good IQ and both are winners and know hoe to win..

Seems like they have very good pieces but they dont work. I think they need to get rid of Capela. I think he actually hurts their back court moreso than helps. Johnson has been a nice little surprise. But Hunter seems to have regressed and always seems hurt.

Hunter and Capela could be packaged to get a third piece. Now it wont be a superstar, but a very good complimentary player.

In comment 16290966 larryflower37 said:

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I haven't seen anything on twitter this morning. So if Grimes is out for an extended period of time who do you start? I would want IQ but we need a back-up PG. DDV and Hart are scary in extended minutes.

I’d go with IQ and let McBride pick up more minutes as back up pg

At some point something has to give and they need to move one of the guards/sm forwards and add a legit back up power forward. It’s a glaring flaw of this roster.

In comment 16291054 steve in ky said:

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At some point something has to give and they need to move one of the guards/sm forwards and add a legit back up power forward. It’s a glaring flaw of this roster.

Are the Knicks gettinf killed by backup 4s? lol, why are fans obsessed with this? their second lineup is one of the best in basketball

In comment 16291077 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 16291054 steve in ky said: Quote: At some point something has to give and they need to move one of the guards/sm forwards and add a legit back up power forward. It’s a glaring flaw of this roster. Are the Knicks gettinf killed by backup 4s? lol, why are fans obsessed with this? their second lineup is one of the best in basketball

What shape would they be in if Randle gets hurt again? Why expose your team to that risk? One roster spot should have a legitimate back up, it’s silly to ignore this. Why all the extra guys that do essentially the same thing and play the same positions yet completely ignore another one? It’s a flaw whether you want to mock it or not, hopefully it doesn’t bite us in the rear end .

their bench is what makes this team great, Hart can play 2,3 or 4, Rj can play 2,3 or 4..

How many teams actually habe a legit back up 4?

Yes Randle plays a ton of minutes and they are versatile enough that it doesn’t hurt them most games, although we haven’t seen if it hurts them if he gets in early foul trouble or is just really under the weather for a game.

But my point is that IF he goes down for a significant period of time due to injury this team has a glaring hole. They have too many guys playing the same positions yet not prepared for that scenario. Imo that is a flaw in the way this roster is structured.

Again hopefully it doesn’t bite us in the rear, but just pointing out how well guys fill in for the few minutes a game currently Randle sits doesn’t address what I’m talking about in the least

In comment 16291157 steve in ky said:

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Yes Randle plays a ton of minutes and they are versatile enough that it doesn’t hurt them most games, although we haven’t seen if it hurts them if he gets in early foul trouble or is just really under the weather for a game. But my point is that IF he goes down for a significant period of time due to injury this team has a glaring hole. They have too many guys playing the same positions yet not prepared for that scenario. Imo that is a flaw in the way this roster is structured. Again hopefully it doesn’t bite us in the rear, but just pointing out how well guys fill in for the few minutes a game currently Randle sits doesn’t address what I’m talking about in the least

ok, Julius Randle goes down and the Knicks have to start Hart and Hart or Rj are guarding 4s, how many teams in the east habe a legit 4 that they cant guard?

Celtics? no
Bucks? Not really because to defend Giannis its really the entire team
Sixers? no
Cavs? Knicks beat them last year with Randle out and Hart getting big minutes at the 4..
Heat? no
Hawks?no
Bulls? no
Nets? no


The main contenders nobody has a 4 that would tske advantage of Hart or Rj at the 4..

You view the benefit of having a glut at one position as outweighing the risk of being too thin at another, I don’t.

In comment 16291168 steve in ky said:

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You view the benefit of having a glut at one position as outweighing the risk of being too thin at another, I don’t.

No i dont view it as thin because the players they have are versatile..They dont need a traditional back up 4 because they habe guys that can play multiple positions..

You view it as a gut because you view DDV as a 2 and only a 2, you view Hart as a 3, when in reality those guys can play multiple positions and guard multiple positions

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In comment 16291167 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 16291157 steve in ky said: Quote: Yes Randle plays a ton of minutes and they are versatile enough that it doesn’t hurt them most games, although we haven’t seen if it hurts them if he gets in early foul trouble or is just really under the weather for a game. But my point is that IF he goes down for a significant period of time due to injury this team has a glaring hole. They have too many guys playing the same positions yet not prepared for that scenario. Imo that is a flaw in the way this roster is structured. Again hopefully it doesn’t bite us in the rear, but just pointing out how well guys fill in for the few minutes a game currently Randle sits doesn’t address what I’m talking about in the least ok, Julius Randle goes down and the Knicks have to start Hart and Hart or Rj are guarding 4s, how many teams in the east habe a legit 4 that they cant guard? Celtics? no Bucks? Not really because to defend Giannis its really the entire team Sixers? no Cavs? Knicks beat them last year with Randle out and Hart getting big minutes at the 4.. Heat? no Hawks?no Bulls? no Nets? no The main contenders nobody has a 4 that would tske advantage of Hart or Rj at the 4..

Ill take jaylen Brown and Tobias Harris over Hart's defense.

you basically have 1 guy to defend and box out Embiid. A lineup of Brunson, Grimes, Barret, Hart, and MRob hurts you rebounding too.

In comment 16291218 JT039 said:

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you basically have 1 guy to defend and box out Embiid. A lineup of Brunson, Grimes, Barret, Hart, and MRob hurts you rebounding too.

How? Hart is one of the best rebounders for a wing in the NBA...He is averaging almost 7 rebounds a game..

In comment 16291210 JT039 said:

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In comment 16291167 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 16291157 steve in ky said: Quote: Yes Randle plays a ton of minutes and they are versatile enough that it doesn’t hurt them most games, although we haven’t seen if it hurts them if he gets in early foul trouble or is just really under the weather for a game. But my point is that IF he goes down for a significant period of time due to injury this team has a glaring hole. They have too many guys playing the same positions yet not prepared for that scenario. Imo that is a flaw in the way this roster is structured. Again hopefully it doesn’t bite us in the rear, but just pointing out how well guys fill in for the few minutes a game currently Randle sits doesn’t address what I’m talking about in the least ok, Julius Randle goes down and the Knicks have to start Hart and Hart or Rj are guarding 4s, how many teams in the east habe a legit 4 that they cant guard? Celtics? no Bucks? Not really because to defend Giannis its really the entire team Sixers? no Cavs? Knicks beat them last year with Randle out and Hart getting big minutes at the 4.. Heat? no Hawks?no Bulls? no Nets? no The main contenders nobody has a 4 that would tske advantage of Hart or Rj at the 4.. Ill take jaylen Brown and Tobias Harris over Hart's defense.

The point was Rj and Hart can guard those guys if needed, not who you would rather have

5th in SRS through 11 games despite Randle and Brunson being abysmal from the field and especially in 2pt range.

16th in ORtg when your 2 offensive "stars" are shooting 40.5% from 2pt range on 23.8 FGA per game.

That number will correct itself as these 2 guys get hot, and when it does this team could be dangerous in the East.

I am just so impressed by Mitch. The way he bodied Capela last night + the way he bodied Allen in the playoffs. Such a great interior force who understands his role.

In comment 16290755 nygiants16 said:

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he only counted to 4 on the 5 second call, watch it, he mlves his arm 4 times and then calls a 5 second Link - ( New Window )

I counted it when it happened and it was not 5 seconds. But it's the Knicks so it's cool to call the 5 second infraction every game. Usually it's warranted, didn't seem so last night.

In comment 16290981 nygiants16 said:

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he came out on instagram and said that the story was not true, he turned down the job a week ago and it was because he didnt feel like it was the right time to take the job.. Marchand of course doubling down on his story and calling out Rose

what is wrong with these reporters now?

In comment 16291265 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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I am just so impressed by Mitch. The way he bodied Capela last night + the way he bodied Allen in the playoffs. Such a great interior force who understands his role.

But, but, we need a stretch five or something to have a real good offensive team, yada, yada, yada...

All jokes aside, we all saw this path he was on these last few years but I'm pretty sure most of us are surprised how far he has come. The Knicks are getting near Rudy Gobert type defense without the price tag and other fit concerns

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makes it really hard for the Knicks to trade for a center and improve the team. KAT, for example, is a really good offensive player but if we swapped him in for Mitch, would the team actually be better? Mitch is so much better as a rim protector, team defender and hustle player. There's a good chance that he'd hurt the team as much or more on the defensive side than he'd help offensively. Sure Jokic and Embiid would be better. Probably Bam. Who else?

It's also been fun to watch him go from being a skinny kid flying all over the place, fouling and falling on the floor to becoming a very strong guy who plays with balance, control and smarts.

In comment 16291077 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 16291054 steve in ky said: Quote: At some point something has to give and they need to move one of the guards/sm forwards and add a legit back up power forward. It’s a glaring flaw of this roster. Are the Knicks gettinf killed by backup 4s? lol, why are fans obsessed with this? their second lineup is one of the best in basketball

“Redundant” is the new word that posters seen on poster use once and then it takes on a life of its own. I’m now seeing it repeated daily on Knicks threads. It’s the same exact thing that happens on Giants threads. Someone comes up with a cute word or catch phrase and suddenly it’s repeated over and over again. It gets redundant…

I think redundant is a pretty commonplace word.

But I know what you mean. For a while that word was "zeitgeist" and I fucking hated that word.

In comment 16291481 Jan in DC said:

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I think redundant is a pretty commonplace word. But I know what you mean. For a while that word was "zeitgeist" and I fucking hated that word.

Lol. Sure it’s common place. But never gets used until 1 person says it on BBI. And then it becomes part of the furniture around here

In comment 16291265 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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I am just so impressed by Mitch. The way he bodied Capela last night + the way he bodied Allen in the playoffs. Such a great interior force who understands his role.

Still a bummer that Mitch missed that damn playoff series 2 years ago. Thats the only reason they smoked us. Almost every game over the past 3 seasons besides that one we kill them and Capella does next to nothing. That series he ran wild because we had nobody to body him and nobody that could stay in front of that little shit Trae Young. Damn I want another shot in the playoffs vs them some day to make up for it lol.

Gus can make someone waking up and brushing their teeth fun to watch. "The Brunson Burner!" My son and I were laughing our ass off at that one.

In comment 16291497 Stu11 said:

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Gus can make someone waking up and brushing their teeth fun to watch. "The Brunson Burner!" My son and I were laughing our ass off at that one.

hearing Gus was a flashback to some bad but fun to watch teams (Nate, Crawford, Lee, etc.).

Brunson Burner was a little corny but I'll allow it. Lion Heart was just dumb, lol.

In comment 16291484 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 16291481 Jan in DC said: Quote: I think redundant is a pretty commonplace word. But I know what you mean. For a while that word was "zeitgeist" and I fucking hated that word. Lol. Sure it’s common place. But never gets used until 1 person says it on BBI. And then it becomes part of the furniture around here

Lol, I don’t even read BBI all the much anymore, and I certainly didn’t pick it up from here, but sorry for using a big word like redundant, what should I have used instead?

In comment 16291540 steve in ky said:

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In comment 16291484 BigBlueShock said: Quote: In comment 16291481 Jan in DC said: Quote: I think redundant is a pretty commonplace word. But I know what you mean. For a while that word was "zeitgeist" and I fucking hated that word. Lol. Sure it’s common place. But never gets used until 1 person says it on BBI. And then it becomes part of the furniture around here Lol, I don’t even read BBI all the much anymore, and I certainly didn’t pick it up from here, but sorry for using a big word like redundant, what should I have used instead?

A. Nobody said it was a “big” word
B. There really is no word related to redundant that applies because the entire concept is inaccurate and parroting other BBI posters doesn’t make it true. The starting 5 all have completely different games and the 2nd team is completely different from them. Seems like you guys have turned lack of size at PF into “redundancy” for some reason. It’s all cool though. I feel like I’m being redundant here so I’ll bow out

In comment 16291557 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 16291540 steve in ky said: Quote: In comment 16291484 BigBlueShock said: Quote: In comment 16291481 Jan in DC said: Quote: I think redundant is a pretty commonplace word. But I know what you mean. For a while that word was "zeitgeist" and I fucking hated that word. Lol. Sure it’s common place. But never gets used until 1 person says it on BBI. And then it becomes part of the furniture around here Lol, I don’t even read BBI all the much anymore, and I certainly didn’t pick it up from here, but sorry for using a big word like redundant, what should I have used instead? A. Nobody said it was a “big” word B. There really is no word related to redundant that applies because the entire concept is inaccurate and parroting other BBI posters doesn’t make it true. The starting 5 all have completely different games and the 2nd team is completely different from them. Seems like you guys have turned lack of size at PF into “redundancy” for some reason. It’s all cool though. I feel like I’m being redundant here so I’ll bow out

And this is an example of why I frequent this site less, so many don’t discuss anything they just throw out snarky comments