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NFT: Oakland As moving to Las Vegas

Greg from LI : 11/16/2023 9:47 am
Fourth city for the franchise - Philadelphia, Kansas City, Oakland, now Vegas
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I would be happy for them  
Jay on the Island : 11/16/2023 9:52 am : link
but they still have the same cheap owner. Who knows if he will actually spend more when more revenue comes in.
I guess they will be  
section125 : 11/16/2023 9:57 am : link
building a domed stadium?
RE: I guess they will be  
Jints in Carolina : 11/16/2023 9:58 am : link
In comment 16290975 section125 said:
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building a domed stadium?


apparently not....which is insane to me.
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section125 : 11/16/2023 9:59 am : link
In comment 16290982 Jints in Carolina said:
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building a domed stadium?



apparently not....which is insane to me.


WTF?
Can't afford it?
They're going to play 100% outdoors....in Las Vegas?  
Greg from LI : 11/16/2023 10:00 am : link
That's nuts. I imagine that will make signing free agents a mite tougher.
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Jints in Carolina : 11/16/2023 10:00 am : link
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Jints in Carolina : 11/16/2023 10:01 am : link
The project calls for a 30,000-seat ballpark on the nine-acre Tropicana site, which is located on the south end of the Las Vegas Strip. The stadium would feature a partially retractable roof, with a playing surface that will allow for the outfield to open to the corner of Tropicana and Las Vegas Boulevard for a view of the Strip.
looking it up, seems it will be retractable  
Greg from LI : 11/16/2023 10:02 am : link
Like Arizona. Only 33,000 capacity though?? Jeez that's tiny.
oakland fans really getting the shaft lately (forever)  
djm : 11/16/2023 10:06 am : link
I know the teams have to do what they have to do but I always try and put myself in the fan's shoes who grew up in that city and loves the Raiders and As. I guess you stick with both but it must really suck seeing your team move approx 1000 miles away.
RE: looking it up, seems it will be retractable  
section125 : 11/16/2023 10:10 am : link
In comment 16290995 Greg from LI said:
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Like Arizona. Only 33,000 capacity though?? Jeez that's tiny.


Trend is smaller parks. Wrigley and Fenway do well sub 40K. Citi Field is about 42K and Yankees Stadium 47k.....
From A's SB Nation  
shyster : 11/16/2023 10:13 am : link
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This isn’t the last hurdle that the team must clear. Teachers in Nevada are opposing the public funding of $380 million for the team’s new stadium and are hoping to require a referendum next November.

The Athletics’ new stadium in Las Vegas won’t be ready to play until 2028. The team’s lease in Oakland runs out at the end of the 2024 season. That leads to the question as to where the team will play in 2025, 2026 and 2027. USA Today’s Bob Nightengale reported Thursday that the A’s are planning to play in a revolving series of sites including their Triple A team’s park in Summerlin, Nevada, Oracle Park in San Francisco and perhaps the Oakland Coliseum.


Three years of a rotating home field seems like a lot.

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That is the trend  
Greg from LI : 11/16/2023 10:22 am : link
It will still be the smallest capacity in MLB.
This owner sucks but I'm not completely buying what the media  
Metnut : 11/16/2023 10:30 am : link
is selling about how great the Oakland A's fans are. They had a playoff run not too long ago and were still completely at the bottom of the league in attendance.

Cleveland is another team that punches below it's weight when it comes to attendance. Have to wonder if relocation rumors will start with that team at some point.
I see all this as an opportunity...  
NINEster : 11/16/2023 10:35 am : link
although a bit long term.

Once the Athletics have vacated the Coliseum, they can finally tear it down and build a new stadium there at some point (possibly two stadiums).

A part of me has been jealous that the Vikings were able to build a new stadium on the same footprint, because they managed to play outdoors in the Minnesota college stadium for two seasons. That's a big sacrifice for most teams in a position to not be able to construct a new stadium nearby, but over the context of 30+ years for a new stadium isn't so bad.

The As and Raiders feel like Oakland teams, perhaps more than the Rams (and certainly Chargers) feel like LA teams.

I envision them ultimately moving back, but unfortunately it always required them to leave before getting the new stadium. Oakland and SF are so tight on land for building stadiums.
RE: oakland fans really getting the shaft lately (forever)  
BH28 : 11/16/2023 10:36 am : link
In comment 16291001 djm said:
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I know the teams have to do what they have to do but I always try and put myself in the fan's shoes who grew up in that city and loves the Raiders and As. I guess you stick with both but it must really suck seeing your team move approx 1000 miles away.


It's 500 miles. A lot of Raiders fans around here actually make the weekend trips to Vegas to still support. I imagine it's different for A's fans though. The Vegas Aviators do pretty well attendance wise, so I think the A's have a good chance of picking up a new local fan base.
The smaller parks are better  
UConn4523 : 11/16/2023 10:45 am : link
I love this move
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Greg from LI : 11/16/2023 10:50 am : link
In comment 16291064 UConn4523 said:
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I love this move


I disagree. Yankee Stadium lost a lot with the smaller capacity. Yes, some of it was a difference in design, with the fans being further away from the field, but the old place just got so much louder with 57K fans.
That’s because they can actually fill it  
UConn4523 : 11/16/2023 10:59 am : link
half the league sits at 30k or less per game so it makes sense to go smaller. I also happen to like the feel of smaller venues for baseball, basketball and concerts. Football and Soccer makes sense to have a larger capacity (less games, large field of action).
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section125 : 11/16/2023 11:11 am : link
In comment 16291073 Greg from LI said:
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I love this move



I disagree. Yankee Stadium lost a lot with the smaller capacity. Yes, some of it was a difference in design, with the fans being further away from the field, but the old place just got so much louder with 57K fans.


And it was 62/63k before the remodel in 74/75....
Minors  
GF1080 : 11/16/2023 11:12 am : link
Does the AAA team relocate then?
no way, the triple A team is a saving expense for the big team  
gtt350 : 11/16/2023 11:21 am : link
The Ballpark in Summerlin is the best in triple A. The A's will probably play in it until the new stadium is complete
Old (old) YS held 65,880 for Bat Day 1970  
shyster : 11/16/2023 11:25 am : link
Sunday, June 7, 1970
Start Time: 2:08 p.m. Local
Attendance: 65,880
Venue: Yankee Stadium I
Game Duration: 2:53
Day Game, on grass

In a year in which Yanks drew 1.1M total.

The lure of the freebie. "Roy White" bat lasted a long time.
RE: no way, the triple A team is a saving expense for the big team  
GF1080 : 11/16/2023 11:27 am : link
In comment 16291124 gtt350 said:
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The Ballpark in Summerlin is the best in triple A. The A's will probably play in it until the new stadium is complete


Yeah I wasn't sure. Don't know of any other MLB teams that also have a AAA team in the same city though.
Boo!  
Dave in PA : 11/16/2023 11:27 am : link
Nobody is going to give a shit about the A’s in Vegas. Oakland deserved a new stadium and keeping that fan base, which has proven they will show up if given something to hope for. Fuck John Fisher
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/16/2023 11:28 am : link
I remember when Vegas was toxic for pro teams.
Dave regardless of A's fans the ballpark will be soldout  
gtt350 : 11/16/2023 11:30 am : link
tickets for Yankee, red sox games will be sky high
I'm sure if the AAA stadium is any reference for the new one it will  
gtt350 : 11/16/2023 11:34 am : link
have Vegas touches. Games at triple A are terrific. The Stadium is two years old, A hug Pool in the back, fabulous upscale food at reasonable prices, a bat dog instead of bat boy that's a big hit, dancing girls on dugouts between innings, half the time you don't even have to watch the game to have a great time.
Too bad it seems like you're gonna have to walk through the shitty  
widmerseyebrow : 11/16/2023 12:38 pm : link
And probably cheaply made over Tropicana hotel to get to the game. They should just demolish all of it and start over from scratch.
it will have a roof that only covers part of the stadium  
Jints in Carolina : 11/16/2023 1:59 pm : link
can't wait for those 115 degree days
I got to go to a A's game last year  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/16/2023 2:05 pm : link
I shit you not there were like 100 fans in the stands. The diehards told me they were protesting the owner thats why it was empty. Pretty sad to see. The coliseum was an ancient dump though, reminded me of Shea.
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SJGiant : 11/16/2023 2:23 pm : link
In comment 16291148 gtt350 said:
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have Vegas touches. Games at triple A are terrific. The Stadium is two years old, A hug Pool in the back, fabulous upscale food at reasonable prices, a bat dog instead of bat boy that's a big hit, dancing girls on dugouts between innings, half the time you don't even have to watch the game to have a great time.


I went to the Mets Triple A game in Vegas in May 2017. It was a night game and we froze our asses off, even with sweatshirts. I assume the Triple A park was a different stadium back then. I have pictures of Nimmo, Dom Smith and whoever was their big prospect at shortstop at that time that was traded for Lindor.

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BocaGene : 11/16/2023 2:26 pm : link
In comment 16291234 widmerseyebrow said:
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And probably cheaply made over Tropicana hotel to get to the game. They should just demolish all of it and start over from scratch.


That is exactly what is planned. Demolish & build new Trop and new stadium.
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widmerseyebrow : 11/16/2023 3:11 pm : link
In comment 16291402 BocaGene said:
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And probably cheaply made over Tropicana hotel to get to the game. They should just demolish all of it and start over from scratch.



That is exactly what is planned. Demolish & build new Trop and new stadium.


Last I saw they were only demolishing 3/4 of the land and putting the stadium on the SE corner. The NW corner by Tropicana and LV Blvd with the original tower and casino would remain. Have they reconsidered?
RE: The smaller parks are better  
Gruber : 11/16/2023 3:20 pm : link
In comment 16291064 UConn4523 said:
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I love this move


Give me Shea any day. The noise level of the fans in the '86 World Series was incredible. You're not going to get that intensity with 35-40,000 fans.
A sad situation overall  
Ron from Ninerland : 11/16/2023 6:07 pm : link
I would have liked them to stay in the Bay Area, but staying in Oakland is untenable. The Oakland Colosseum is a horrible venue for baseball which was made worse after the Raider's temporary return. The A's actually made some proposals to stay in the Bay Area , even Oakland but received no cooperation. Unfortunately I think they are going to have all sorts of problems with Vegas. The logistics of a stadium at Tropicana and the Strip don't look good. Even if they work that out I suspect that once the novelty wears off they're not going to draw dick unless the Yankees, Mets or Red Sox are in town.
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UConn4523 : 11/16/2023 6:16 pm : link
In comment 16291490 Gruber said:
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I love this move



Give me Shea any day. The noise level of the fans in the '86 World Series was incredible. You're not going to get that intensity with 35-40,000 fans.


They aren’t getting 10,000 fans so why would you build a 50k stadium?

The noise level is cool but usually baseball stadiums don’t get that loud until playoff time. Even Yankee games in the old stadium weren’t that loud during the season unless it was against Boston.
Why would there be a lot of Mets fans there?  
Arcade_Games : 11/16/2023 10:08 pm : link
Does not seem like a natinal franchise however it seems like everywhere they went in the '22 season there were Mets fans everywhere.

That does not seem like a franchise anyone likes outside of Long Island And Queens.
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gtt350 : 11/17/2023 11:19 am : link
In comment 16291399 SJGiant said:
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completely new ballpark


have Vegas touches. Games at triple A are terrific. The Stadium is two years old, A hug Pool in the back, fabulous upscale food at reasonable prices, a bat dog instead of bat boy that's a big hit, dancing girls on dugouts between innings, half the time you don't even have to watch the game to have a great time.



I went to the Mets Triple A game in Vegas in May 2017. It was a night game and we froze our asses off, even with sweatshirts. I assume the Triple A park was a different stadium back then. I have pictures of Nimmo, Dom Smith and whoever was their big prospect at shortstop at that time that was traded for Lindor.
RE: Why would there be a lot of Mets fans there?  
Rory : 11/17/2023 11:22 am : link
In comment 16291820 Arcade_Games said:
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Does not seem like a natinal franchise however it seems like everywhere they went in the '22 season there were Mets fans everywhere.

That does not seem like a franchise anyone likes outside of Long Island And Queens.


Tons of fans upstate NY. I'm one of em
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