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Daboll: Giants ownership is 'not happy' but will not tank

KingBlue : 11/16/2023 11:06 am
The New York Giants are 2-8 this season and the immediate future looks bleak. They are performing at historically bad levels.

The losing — and the embarrassing manner in which the team has been losing — has given the building a funeral home vibe. The Giants are dead in the water and have no means to return to shore.

Daboll said he has spoken to team co-owner John Mara, general manager Joe Schoen, and the players about the team’s performance. “Nobody’s happy.”

Daboll doesn’t have a tanking mindset and neither do the players. Even if they did, Mara and fellow co-owner Steve Tisch would have none of it. There are teams out there who will openly tank but the Giants are not one of them.
Ownership not happy - ( New Window )
in a funny way  
LittleBlue : 11/16/2023 11:12 am : link
It's even more embarrassing to state this.

Should leave some ambiguity, so that when you score 10 points a game and lose by 20-25, at least fans can wonder if you are really trying your hardest.
Of  
Spider43 : 11/16/2023 11:14 am : link
Course.


Talk about manufacturing a story  
Sean : 11/16/2023 11:19 am : link
This was a throwaway line from Daboll's presser yesterday. There is nothing here. Do people think Daboll is going to come out and say they're tanking? Come on.
They don't have to "openly tank"  
GiantTuff1 : 11/16/2023 11:20 am : link
they are really that bad.
Of course they are not happy  
Jay on the Island : 11/16/2023 11:22 am : link
This team is 2-8 after a surprise playoff birth last season with higher expectations this year not to mention paying Daniel Jones $40 million a year and now he has proven that he is clearly not the franchise QB they had hoped.

A promising rookie QB can cure several concerns though.
Listen, all these coaches, figureheads, and articles are going to say  
JonC : 11/16/2023 11:27 am : link
the right things publicly. Whether it's about tanking, Jones, units sucking and coaches under fire, etc. What they're saying now will figure small in the actual realities to follow in January. Don't hang on every word, you're torturing yourselves.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/16/2023 11:27 am : link
Not sure the point of this thread?
RE: Of  
McNally's_Nuts : 11/16/2023 11:27 am : link
In comment 16291111 Spider43 said:
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Course.



What game is this from?
RE: Listen, all these coaches, figureheads, and articles are going to say  
Sean : 11/16/2023 11:28 am : link
In comment 16291132 JonC said:
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the right things publicly. Whether it's about tanking, Jones, units sucking and coaches under fire, etc. What they're saying now will figure small in the actual realities to follow in January. Don't hang on every word, you're torturing yourselves.

Exactly, Jon. There are five more months of this. As you always say, follow the actions.
Ownership have themselves to blame  
BillT : 11/16/2023 11:29 am : link
Who was it that kept Jerry Reese as GM and watched him drain almost all the talent off the team. Who was it that took EA’s advise and hired his old running buddy as GM. Who was it watched DG complete the work that Reese began and left the franchise almost completely destitute. Not happy? So sorry to hear.
Why do people start threads on obvious topics  
Mike from Ohio : 11/16/2023 11:31 am : link
"Giants say they will not tank season." Duh. Everyone knows they are not openly throwing games. ANd if they were, they certainly would not say it publicly. They are so bad they can still try hard and look like they are tanking.

Maybe next we can have a thread about whether or not the Giants would like to win another SuperBowl in the future?
Any player or coach who supports "tanking" should be fired and never  
Jack Stroud : 11/16/2023 11:32 am : link
ever again be allowed to coach or play in the NFL again! We paid to see them coach and play at their best, if they are not going to do that give us back our money!
At this point they can try their absolute hardest to win  
TommytheElephant : 11/16/2023 11:34 am : link
And still not be able to contend past the 1st quarter
Only Teams I can See Them Beating  
LTIsTheGreatest : 11/16/2023 11:36 am : link
the rest of the way are the Patriots and maybe the Rams. Dont see them beating Washington again on the road, especially if Thibs is out.
Sean  
JonC : 11/16/2023 11:40 am : link
Exactly.
What I'd like to see  
UberAlias : 11/16/2023 11:42 am : link
Is an approach that focuses on the future. Guys with injuries should not be rushed back, as example. Making a point to get young guys in is another. Owens and Riley should be getting a shirt on game day, for instance. If we do see a change in focus at some point, it won't happen while this team is losing royally, IMO. I'll feel better after we lose to the commanders this week.
RE: Talk about manufacturing a story  
The Dude : 11/16/2023 11:44 am : link
In comment 16291118 Sean said:
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This was a throwaway line from Daboll's presser yesterday. There is nothing here. Do people think Daboll is going to come out and say they're tanking? Come on.


This. Open and shut case lol. Wild an "article" was constructed based off that line.
I don't know why people are putting down the article  
UberAlias : 11/16/2023 11:46 am : link
What it says is likely accurate. I'd say it's unlikely NYG tanks in the manner Philly did few years back.
They need to lose every game rest of way  
Sammo85 : 11/16/2023 12:02 pm : link
I don’t care how it gets done, but that’s the result necessary.

Sorry for the analogy, but...  
Optimus-NY : 11/16/2023 12:09 pm : link
...always wait to see the money shot before coming to a conclusion. Money shots are on game days (injury reports, inactive lists, and practice squad promotions of course are clues).
RE: Talk about manufacturing a story  
Chris in Philly : 11/16/2023 12:11 pm : link
In comment 16291118 Sean said:
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This was a throwaway line from Daboll's presser yesterday. There is nothing here. Do people think Daboll is going to come out and say they're tanking? Come on.


Correct. And there will be 200 anxious posts here by the end of the day...
 
christian : 11/16/2023 12:11 pm : link
Lord, if this isn't tanking, I'm scared to see what that looks like.
....  
ryanmkeane : 11/16/2023 12:19 pm : link
Really sucks that we can't see Neal for likely the majority of the rest of the season.
RE: Listen, all these coaches, figureheads, and articles are going to say  
jvm52106 : 11/16/2023 12:58 pm : link
In comment 16291132 JonC said:
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the right things publicly. Whether it's about tanking, Jones, units sucking and coaches under fire, etc. What they're saying now will figure small in the actual realities to follow in January. Don't hang on every word, you're torturing yourselves.


PLUS- the league would crack down HARD on any team that outright said yeah, we are basically folding up the tents and hoping to get thee #1 pick in the draft.
At least the record is clear they aren't happy.  
ThomasG : 11/16/2023 1:01 pm : link
Could be big changes on the horizon now. Like maybe we'll remember to add a punt returner next year.
Just wanted to waste everyone’s time  
Mayo2JZ : 11/16/2023 1:02 pm : link
by starting a thread to let you no that the Giants aren’t tanking and management isn’t happy
let's ask the question antoher way...  
BillKo : 11/16/2023 1:25 pm : link
...does Daboll (and staff) want to win another game this season?

The answer IMO is definitely yes.

You'll get your answer when Taylor is ready to go again. He'll be the starting QB when he's ready.

Not that will make a difference - but the Giants will play to win.
People who think  
k2tampa : 11/16/2023 1:28 pm : link
Players on bad team intentionally tank have never been around pro athletes. First, anyone without a long-term deal is playing to keep, or get, a job.

Second, these guys are highly competitive. They would not be where they are if they weren't.

Third, players not playing at full speed against guys who are put themselves at risk of injury.

Now, human nature may result in players making 'business decisions' on certain plays to avoid risk. But that's different than tanking. I have never met a single pro athlete who doesn't try to win every time they put on their uniform.
RE: People who think  
BillKo : 11/16/2023 1:33 pm : link
In comment 16291322 k2tampa said:
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Players on bad team intentionally tank have never been around pro athletes. First, anyone without a long-term deal is playing to keep, or get, a job.

Second, these guys are highly competitive. They would not be where they are if they weren't.

Third, players not playing at full speed against guys who are put themselves at risk of injury.

Now, human nature may result in players making 'business decisions' on certain plays to avoid risk. But that's different than tanking. I have never met a single pro athlete who doesn't try to win every time they put on their uniform.


Yep, the only people who worry about draft position are fans .....until maybe you get down to the last game of the season for positioning.

Daboll and company will sleep much better with a few wins on their resume, esp the guys who won't be here next year.
Schoen & Daboll survive this wreck  
RetroJint : 11/16/2023 1:38 pm : link
The changes will occur among the roster and the coaching staff . The last 3 Giant coaches did not receive the 3-year grace period that is customary in the league . In the 80s it was sometimes stretched to 5 . But Schoen and Daboll have their Doomsday Clocks activated by this fiasco and it’s damn straight that it has been.

Kafka and Wink : fine . But I would clean out EVERYBODY associated with the offensive line , including both coaches and every lineman on the roster except for Thomas and Schmidt . Possibly retain Pugh as a 4 position plug in if he has tempered salary expectations. They are going franchise QB-give the guy a fighting chance .
They can say whatever they want,  
Ron Johnson : 11/16/2023 1:56 pm : link
They're sending Tommy Devito out at QB.


They are actively trying to lose.
To my knowledge....  
Dnew15 : 11/16/2023 1:59 pm : link
there's only one GM in the history of US major sports that actually admitted to tanking.

He got fired.

Teams do it - they just tell the public what they want to hear.
Would prefer  
Spider43 : 11/16/2023 2:20 pm : link
Something 'opaque' like, "We'll always strive to do whatever is best for the team," and just leave it at that. I'd like to think most of us can handle the truth, and reality. Leave the soap box for politicians.
What do they have?  
nochance : 11/16/2023 2:20 pm : link
They have the worst QB in football by a long shot and a devastating amount of injuries in key areas. Tanking is not necessary
RE: ....  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/16/2023 2:20 pm : link
In comment 16291207 ryanmkeane said:
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Really sucks that we can't see Neal for likely the majority of the rest of the season.

Live footage whenever you need it:

We should  
Ron Johnson : 11/16/2023 2:44 pm : link
remember ....
RE: We should  
Ron Johnson : 11/16/2023 2:44 pm : link
In comment 16291439 Ron Johnson said:
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remember ....

Link - ( New Window )
RE: To my knowledge....  
bw in dc : 11/16/2023 2:45 pm : link
In comment 16291375 Dnew15 said:
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there's only one GM in the history of US major sports that actually admitted to tanking.

He got fired.

Teams do it - they just tell the public what they want to hear.


And if a team was stupid enough to say tanking was tbe goal, the Commissioner would probably levy a substantial fine and dock draft picks per his discretion.
RE: They can say whatever they want,  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/16/2023 4:33 pm : link
In comment 16291371 Ron Johnson said:
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They're sending Tommy Devito out at QB.


They are actively trying to lose.


The alternative is Matt Barkley, who hasn't taken an NFL snap since 2020.

We're phrasing it like it's a choice.
RE: Listen, all these coaches, figureheads, and articles are going to say  
Thegratefulhead : 11/16/2023 4:44 pm : link
In comment 16291132 JonC said:
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the right things publicly. Whether it's about tanking, Jones, units sucking and coaches under fire, etc. What they're saying now will figure small in the actual realities to follow in January. Don't hang on every word, you're torturing yourselves.
This a quality piece of advice.
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