You can go back & reverse/stop/change one thing last 10 yrs

I think this was the turning point and where any alignment in the origination ended. This was when Mara said the offense was "broken" and made the comments about Jernigan.

It was not productive to force staff changes on Coughlin at that point. Everyone should have gotten 2014 to sink and swim. And if you wanted to give them 2015 too, fine. That's Reese, Coughlin, Gilbride, etc. Fewell ended up getting scapegoated the next year.

This is when the priority became "fixing Eli" instead of winning. We've seen similar moves with Jones in recent years.

The Gettleman hire was THE worst hire in this franchise's history. & the whole process that led to DG was a complete & utter joke.

up for Mahomes

In comment 16291867 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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The Gettleman hire was THE worst hire in this franchise's history. & the whole process that led to DG was a complete & utter joke.

+1. If Mara had conducted a real professional GM search, a competent figure similar to Schoen would have dramatically changed the trajectory. A whole slew of mistakes could have been avoided.

In comment 16291867 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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The Gettleman hire was THE worst hire in this franchise's history. & the whole process that led to DG was a complete & utter joke.

Come on. Ernie searched near and far for that schlub.

not have trusted the clerk in that Manassas, VA gas station "yeah that sushi is fresh, it gets delivered daily"

Let's have fun. The Giants selection in the second round of the 2013 draft is Travis Kelce. Don't take it personally, Johnathan Hankins.

In comment 16291867 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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The Gettleman hire was THE worst hire in this franchise's history. & the whole process that led to DG was a complete & utter joke.

I disagree.

Maybe it's just that I've been around too long, but I'm of the opinion that Andy Robustelli was the worst hire in Giant's history.

I hated that Eli Apple pick so fucking much

Would not have fired Tom Coughlin.
Would have fired Mark Ross.

Would have hired Parcells instead of Fassel in 1997.
Welllington and company changed their minds and wanted Parcells back but Young had already made an offer to Fassel.
Damn!!

That was the beginning of the end.

Coughin & Gilbride were fine. They just needed to retool. Instead they kicked their Super Bowl winning coaches out.

In comment 16291883 Cheech d said:

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Would have hired Parcells instead of Fassel in 1997. Welllington and company changed their minds and wanted Parcells back but Young had already made an offer to Fassel. Damn!!

Eh, they got 2 SB titles out of Coughlin. I would not have changed that. That trajectory changes with Parcells hired there and he wouldn't have stayed long.

...easy answer for me.

Resume' Dave's 1st & 2nd Round draft picks

2018
1 Saquon - Hit as a player but miss as a value
2 Will Hernandez - miss

2019
1 Daniel Jones - huge miss
1 Dexter Lawrence - home run
1 DeAndre Baker - huge miss

2020
1 Andrew Thomas - big hit, maybe a home run
2 Xavier McKinney - meh at best

2021
1 Kadarius Toney - huge miss
2 Azeez Ojulari - miss

of this would be interesting.

In comment 16291885 mittenedman said:

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That was the beginning of the end. Coughin & Gilbride were fine. They just needed to retool. Instead they kicked their Super Bowl winning coaches out.

Marc Ross and Jerry Reese should have been let go before Coughlin and Gilbride imv. Reese's drafts were really bad from 2010 to 2017. Yeah he picked JPP and Odell (could have picked Donald or Martin though!) but his busts were killing the team and its culture. Plus he never was able to pick a quality guy in the 3rd rd (top 100) or later and be successful. Schoen already has had a number of guys who have been better (Flott, Bellinger, MCFadden).

The possible trade for Mahomes is interesting but there’s no guarantee he’d be the same with the Giants’ coaches. Everything else mentioned is still fixable … not taking Parsons is not.

Didn’t Wellington sign off on bringing Parcells back, but GY had already offered the gig to JF? This is early cell phone era.

Instead of Jones, Lawrence, Baker, Ximines I would select:
Josh Allen
Dexter Lawrence
AJ Brown
Maxx Crosby

Then in 2020 they would select Justin Herbert.

if the Giants never win the 2nd Super Bowl over the Pats, could they have more net Super Bowl's now?

I believe they thought the fact that they won 2 Super Bowl's in 5 years allowed them to "keep it up" because "it" was working, and they ultimately stagnated trying to keep a flawed system going instead of starting fresh like they've done recently.

So if they never won that 2nd Super Bowl would they have restarted earlier and been out of it for a few years now?

In comment 16291895 Spider56 said:

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The possible trade for Mahomes is interesting but there’s no guarantee he’d be the same with the Giants’ coaches. Everything else mentioned is still fixable … not taking Parsons is not.

I am not sure that the only difference between Mahomes and Jones is coaching.. many things Mahomes does cannot be coached.. may be just may be he is really that good..

Giants beat the Packers in the opening round in 2016

In comment 16291869 Kevin in Annapolis said:

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up for Mahomes

Agreed 100%

Just like McAdoo and Reece wanted to do.

Send Reese/Ross out with the SB Clock. Get a GM more in line with TC and along the lines of GY/BP building from the inside out. Outside hire. There was too much division between TC and Reese imv.

The 2011/12 drafts were catastrophic. They almost would have had to be perfect in 2013/14 to recover. 2011-17 timeframe is probably one of the worst stretches of drafting in team history or at least the last 40 years.

2018. Draft Josh Allen.

Nicks, Ballard, and Cruz having career altering injuries.

It was not firing Reese when they fired TC. That’s when the opportunity for a reset was lost. It was compounded by the hiring of DG but the die had been cast before that.

And it led to a ton of other half measures.

In comment 16291866 Sean said:

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I think this was the turning point and where any alignment in the origination ended. This was when Mara said the offense was "broken" and made the comments about Jernigan. It was not productive to force staff changes on Coughlin at that point. Everyone should have gotten 2014 to sink and swim. And if you wanted to give them 2015 too, fine. That's Reese, Coughlin, Gilbride, etc. Fewell ended up getting scapegoated the next year. This is when the priority became "fixing Eli" instead of winning. We've seen similar moves with Jones in recent years.

Agreed. And this is when they blamed Gilbride’s complicated scheme that requires time for plays to develop instead of acquiring talented offensive lineman that would allow his offense, and Eli, to be successful again.

In comment 16291913 BillT said:

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It was not firing Reese when they fired TC. That’s when the opportunity for a reset was lost. It was compounded by the hiring of DG but the die had been cast before that.

That last gasp spending spree by Reese that got us the fluke 2016 playoff appearance kicked off a long stretch of cap issues.

In comment 16291866 Sean said:

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I think this was the turning point and where any alignment in the origination ended. This was when Mara said the offense was "broken" and made the comments about Jernigan. It was not productive to force staff changes on Coughlin at that point. Everyone should have gotten 2014 to sink and swim. And if you wanted to give them 2015 too, fine. That's Reese, Coughlin, Gilbride, etc. Fewell ended up getting scapegoated the next year. This is when the priority became "fixing Eli" instead of winning. We've seen similar moves with Jones in recent years.

This! He was the scapegoat for a bad OL.

Trade up for Mahomes, or draft Josh Allen, Micah Parsons, I wouldn't have drafted or extended Jones, would've drafted Herbert, wouldn't have drafted Saquon in hindsight.

Allowing Marc Ross to run the draft was a terrible decision, as was the front office becoming complacent after two out of nowhere championships.

When a franchise misses on so many swings, you have to ask why and when the fook will it begin to change.

Instead of interviewing 2 internal candidates and Louis Riddick before rubber stamping Dave Gettleman based on the fact that he promised to give Eli another shot.

with Ross is he was he was let go by the Eagles. Somehow he ends up with the Giants and gets promoted twice while one very good coach and a great HC gets fired.

and characteristic of the upper management needing an overhaul.

In comment 16291922 Biteymax22 said:

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Instead of interviewing 2 internal candidates and Louis Riddick before rubber stamping Dave Gettleman based on the fact that he promised to give Eli another shot.

Riddick is on record saying he wanted Dwayne Haskins (at 6) and never would have drafted Andrew Thomas (best drafted lineman since Chris Snee).

But DG thought the RB was too good to pass up on. So many mistakes thereafter have some connection to that decision. The only good outcome is that the man who made that decision is no longer here, but that's the decision that fucked us over.

In comment 16291904 ryanmkeane said:

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Giants beat the Packers in the opening round in 2016

I agree with this. I think that 2016 team was pretty good with the defense and they just didn't luck out playing Green Bay/Rodgers in the first round. Oh well.

I was excited for that 2017 season, as I was 2023. Holy shit. Both were/are God awful.

Then again, I watched basically every 2017 game. I gave up on the 2023 Giants weeks ago lol the last game I watched was in Miami when I was there. Didn't go down there for the game, if ya smell what the Route 9 is cooking?

In comment 16291880 Route 9 said:

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I hated that Eli Apple pick so fucking much

Especially when Tunsil who was originally thought to be the overall first pick in the draft was still available. He was then picked immediately after the unfortunate pick of Eli Apple.

Probably someone other than the last G.M.

In comment 16291890 BlueVinnie said:

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...easy answer for me. Resume' Dave's 1st & 2nd Round draft picks 2018 1 Saquon - Hit as a player but miss as a value 2 Will Hernandez - miss 2019 1 Daniel Jones - huge miss 1 Dexter Lawrence - home run 1 DeAndre Baker - huge miss 2020 1 Andrew Thomas - big hit, maybe a home run 2 Xavier McKinney - meh at best 2021 1 Kadarius Toney - huge miss 2 Azeez Ojulari - miss

It isn't who DG drafted. It's who he didn't draft and could have drafted. Josh Allen instead of Barkley. Same year, Nick Chubb instead of Will Hernandez. Micah Parsons instead of trading down and taking Kadarius Toney. DG drafted Evan Neal with the selection he got in trade, but Parsons vs. Neal is no-brainer.

"The reasons why the Giants are a disaster"

In comment 16291890 BlueVinnie said:

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...easy answer for me. Resume' Dave's 1st & 2nd Round draft picks 2018 1 Saquon - Hit as a player but miss as a value 2 Will Hernandez - miss 2019 1 Daniel Jones - huge miss 1 Dexter Lawrence - home run 1 DeAndre Baker - huge miss 2020 1 Andrew Thomas - big hit, maybe a home run 2 Xavier McKinney - meh at best 2021 1 Kadarius Toney - huge miss 2 Azeez Ojulari - miss

And his drafts were the thing he was best at! Seems like no DG would be 100% vote getter. Like a Stalinist election.

From Plaxico

Draft Micah Parsons

The magical powers of Marc Ross have really spooked some of you.

How much influence especially at the top of the draft do you think he had, with Reese and Coughlin?

The Gettleman drafts were a disaster and Schoen has doubled down on it. Has set the franchise back at least 2 years.

The fact that Reese gets brought up here like he's an equal to Gettleman is ridiculous.

with the 2012 draft.

I know its 11 years ago. Our OL was clearly in decline despite winning the super bowl and Reese went with the shiny new toy in David Wilson and ignored guys like Mitchell Schwartz and Cordy Glenn who could have really help re-establish our OL.

The we took Randle in the 2nd - he was awful
Hosley in the 3rd - awful
JPP of TEs in the 4th - awful

4 chances to shore up the OL, and got nothing.

In comment 16291949 JT039 said:

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with the 2012 draft. I know its 11 years ago. Our OL was clearly in decline despite winning the super bowl and Reese went with the shiny new toy in David Wilson and ignored guys like Mitchell Schwartz and Cordy Glenn who could have really help re-establish our OL. The we took Randle in the 2nd - he was awful Hosley in the 3rd - awful JPP of TEs in the 4th - awful 4 chances to shore up the OL, and got nothing.

I couldn't have been more arrogant after 2012. I really thought the Giants would win another 2 under Eli Manning.

Nope. Way to go.

What are we? Are we still spoiled because our team won their last Super Bowl during the Jeremy Lin and Tim Tebow era? I don't know, I cannot keep up with the professors of the Giants world.

Gilbride pleaded to the GM to rebuild the line sooner and didn't get a response. Well, it is a response if you include a simple Will Beatty in the 2009 draft and late rounders in drafts after. Really helped your Super Bowl MVP QB, but I guess we can't talk about his egregious mistakes from 2010 to 2017.

The 2012 draft is definitely an inflection point for the team.

When the results of that group where clear at the end of the 2015 season, Reese should have been fired alongside Coughlin.