in the 70's in the parking lot of a cabin-like building in Orange NJ. He was a good-humored guy looking for a little recognition. In truth, it was sad despite his upbeat state of mind.
Sugar Ray Leonard vs, Wilfred Benitez was an awesome boxing match, one of the best I have ever seen. It was Leanord's first title. Both fighters came out for round 15 to touch gloves and Benitez just stared Leonard down. Big mistake.
Sounds like he had all his marbles though, which is good to hear, and a little surprising.
In comment 16292187 Alan W said:
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in the 70's in the parking lot of a cabin-like building in Orange NJ. He was a good-humored guy looking for a little recognition. In truth, it was sad despite his upbeat state of mind.
Yeah - I need to revisit that. I rewatched the Leonard-Hearns and Leonard-Duran fights.
Speaking of Sugar Ray, ever check out the original “Sugar” - Robinson? Man, that guy was a master. And of course the Robinson-LaMatta fights. Awesome and savage!
In comment 16292194 johnnyb said:
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Sugar Ray Leonard vs, Wilfred Benitez was an awesome boxing match, one of the best I have ever seen. It was Leanord's first title. Both fighters came out for round 15 to touch gloves and Benitez just stared Leonard down. Big mistake.
Probably rightly so, I suppose, given the nature of it.
But everything from the local Golden Gloves in Brooklyn to heavyweight title bouts was of interest back in the day.
I do sometimes go down the rabbit hole of watching Ali's early fights again. To me he remains the greatest.
By nature of it, I suppose you mean the violence of it? If so, I can’t agree. Part of the decline of boxing has been the rise of the far more brutal MMA style of competition.
Yep! I watched several hours of Ali’s fights just the other day. In his prime, he was practically untouchable and for a good few years past his prime he found a way to win. No doubt The Greatest.
In comment 16292221 Del Shofner said:
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Probably rightly so, I suppose, given the nature of it.
But everything from the local Golden Gloves in Brooklyn to heavyweight title bouts was of interest back in the day.
I do sometimes go down the rabbit hole of watching Ali's early fights again. To me he remains the greatest.
and Hitman Hearns. Both undefeated, the traditional boxer vs fighter conflict. They just basically stood in the middle of the ring and pummeled each other. Hagler knocked him out, what a 3 rounds it was.
By the way in the OP clip, Max Bear was a champ in the 20/30's. He was the father of Jethro in The Beverley Hillbilly's TV show. His fight vs James Braddock was also the basis for the boxing movie Cinderella Man (with Russell Crowe). Great movie, my favorite boxing movie ever (even better than Rocky IMO).
Probably rightly so, I suppose, given the nature of it.
But everything from the local Golden Gloves in Brooklyn to heavyweight title bouts was of interest back in the day.
I do sometimes go down the rabbit hole of watching Ali's early fights again. To me he remains the greatest.
By nature of it, I suppose you mean the violence of it? If so, I can’t agree. Part of the decline of boxing has been the rise of the far more brutal MMA style of competition.
I thought about MMA, and I certainly see your point. But to me, MMA is somewhat of a fringe sport. (Again - that's to me, perhaps not others.) Back in the day, boxing was very mainstream. It was a local sport you could go see in person and for next to nothing at the lower levels, and as someone mentioned above, the big heavyweight fights were must-see TV (for free) on national TV. We talked about the fights in school the next day. I don't see MMA being that way (but I'm the first to admit I'm out of touch with a lot of stuff that folks younger than I follow... :-))
RE: Best fight I ever saw was the 3 round slugfest between Marvin Hagler
Love Cinderella Man. Great boxing and Depression era film. What’s your option of the Hagler-Leonard fight? I think Hagler got jobbed!
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and Hitman Hearns. Both undefeated, the traditional boxer vs fighter conflict. They just basically stood in the middle of the ring and pummeled each other. Hagler knocked him out, what a 3 rounds it was.
By the way in the OP clip, Max Bear was a champ in the 20/30's. He was the father of Jethro in The Beverley Hillbilly's TV show. His fight vs James Braddock was also the basis for the boxing movie Cinderella Man (with Russell Crowe). Great movie, my favorite boxing movie ever (even better than Rocky IMO).
RE: RE: It's interesting how boxing has declined as a sport.
That's because back in the day all the good heavyweight title fights were on national TV. You didn't have to pony up $89 to watch it on PPV.
Not really true. For example, all of the Ali-Frazier fights were closed circuit (two of them title matches), as was the Ali-Norton title match at Yankee Stadium in '76.
Ali-Shavers and Ali-Spinks were title matches shown on free TV. Ali was a shell by then.
The Frazier-Foreman title match was on TV. That's why "Down goes Frazier" became so famous; everybody heard it.
That's because back in the day all the good heavyweight title fights were on national TV. You didn't have to pony up $89 to watch it on PPV.
Not really true. For example, all of the Ali-Frazier fights were closed circuit (two of them title matches), as was the Ali-Norton title match at Yankee Stadium in '76.
Well, OK. Maybe not all. Yes, I remember going to the theater to see what I thought was a recorded entire first Ali-Frazier fight. Instead, it was highlights followed by the movie Rio Lobo.
I saw Ali-Frazier III in the theater live for I believe about $3.50. I remember Don Dunphy was the announcer.
RE: RE: Best fight I ever saw was the 3 round slugfest between Marvin Hagler
Love Cinderella Man. Great boxing and Depression era film. What’s your option of the Hagler-Leonard fight? I think Hagler got jobbed!
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and Hitman Hearns. Both undefeated, the traditional boxer vs fighter conflict. They just basically stood in the middle of the ring and pummeled each other. Hagler knocked him out, what a 3 rounds it was.
By the way in the OP clip, Max Bear was a champ in the 20/30's. He was the father of Jethro in The Beverley Hillbilly's TV show. His fight vs James Braddock was also the basis for the boxing movie Cinderella Man (with Russell Crowe). Great movie, my favorite boxing movie ever (even better than Rocky IMO).
Tremendous action fight. Furious punching. One of the best pure action fights I ever saw.
But the Thilla in Manila - Ali v Frazer III was the best. Two top heavyweights basically toe to toe for 14 rounds until Eddie Fuch wouldn't let Joe go back out for the 15th because both of his eye were swollen shut.
But meldrick Taylor vs Chavez has to be one of the most memorable fights I ever watched. It was fairly called the fight of the year and eventually the fight of the decade. The ending still haunts me. The subsequent fallout to Taylor is even more haunting. He was never really the same. I know Taylor is dead on his feet but he was on his feet damnit, and the fight was over. Mad all over again.
Love Cinderella Man. Great boxing and Depression era film. What’s your option of the Hagler-Leonard fight? I think Hagler got jobbed!
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and Hitman Hearns. Both undefeated, the traditional boxer vs fighter conflict. They just basically stood in the middle of the ring and pummeled each other. Hagler knocked him out, what a 3 rounds it was.
By the way in the OP clip, Max Bear was a champ in the 20/30's. He was the father of Jethro in The Beverley Hillbilly's TV show. His fight vs James Braddock was also the basis for the boxing movie Cinderella Man (with Russell Crowe). Great movie, my favorite boxing movie ever (even better than Rocky IMO).
I maintain to this day Hagler was robbed. Leonard won a couple of rounds and then ran away the rest of the fight. Hagler landed enough each round to have won.
with Bone Crusher Smith in Pasadena at the 1986 SB. It was just the 2 of us and took a minute for me to realize who he was. He was in town for the game and rooted for the Giants.
Seemed like a really nice guy from my brief experience.
Love seeing Gatti mentioned. He was a true warrior, and a better person. RIP my friend. I spent a lot of time in the early 2000’s training with fighters like him, Hopkins, and Jermain Taylor.
RE: RE: RE: Best fight I ever saw was the 3 round slugfest between Marvin Hagler
Love Cinderella Man. Great boxing and Depression era film. What’s your option of the Hagler-Leonard fight? I think Hagler got jobbed!
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and Hitman Hearns. Both undefeated, the traditional boxer vs fighter conflict. They just basically stood in the middle of the ring and pummeled each other. Hagler knocked him out, what a 3 rounds it was.
By the way in the OP clip, Max Bear was a champ in the 20/30's. He was the father of Jethro in The Beverley Hillbilly's TV show. His fight vs James Braddock was also the basis for the boxing movie Cinderella Man (with Russell Crowe). Great movie, my favorite boxing movie ever (even better than Rocky IMO).
I maintain to this day Hagler was robbed. Leonard won a couple of rounds and then ran away the rest of the fight. Hagler landed enough each round to have won.
Me too. Leaonard was a joke. run away for 2:30 and then try to look busy the last 30 seconds. Hagler didn't help himslef by agreeing to a bigger ring. He wanted the payday and agreed to everything Leonard wanted.
with Bone Crusher Smith in Pasadena at the 1986 SB. It was just the 2 of us and took a minute for me to realize who he was. He was in town for the game and rooted for the Giants.
Seemed like a really nice guy from my brief experience.
I'd have more respect for him if he actually tried to hit Mike Tyson. More like Bone-clutcher.
Ernie Shavers- Larry Holmes was a great fight. Shavers knocked
Norton’s last shot at the title and start of Holmes’ long reign.
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In comment 16292187 Alan W said:
Speaking of Sugar Ray, ever check out the original “Sugar” - Robinson? Man, that guy was a master. And of course the Robinson-LaMatta fights. Awesome and savage!
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In comment 16292153 Victor in CT said:
But everything from the local Golden Gloves in Brooklyn to heavyweight title bouts was of interest back in the day.
I do sometimes go down the rabbit hole of watching Ali's early fights again. To me he remains the greatest.
But everything from the local Golden Gloves in Brooklyn to heavyweight title bouts was of interest back in the day.
I do sometimes go down the rabbit hole of watching Ali's early fights again. To me he remains the greatest.
how is boxing worse than UFC?
But everything from the local Golden Gloves in Brooklyn to heavyweight title bouts was of interest back in the day.
I do sometimes go down the rabbit hole of watching Ali's early fights again. To me he remains the greatest.
By nature of it, I suppose you mean the violence of it? If so, I can’t agree. Part of the decline of boxing has been the rise of the far more brutal MMA style of competition.
Honestly this was as good as Hagler Vs HeARNS.
Nothing but bombs with BAD intentions.
One of my favorite fights.
Would have been a war.
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In comment 16292221 Del Shofner said:
But everything from the local Golden Gloves in Brooklyn to heavyweight title bouts was of interest back in the day.
I do sometimes go down the rabbit hole of watching Ali's early fights again. To me he remains the greatest.
But everything from the local Golden Gloves in Brooklyn to heavyweight title bouts was of interest back in the day.
I do sometimes go down the rabbit hole of watching Ali's early fights again. To me he remains the greatest.
That's because back in the day all the good heavyweight title fights were on national TV. You didn't have to pony up $89 to watch it on PPV.
By the way in the OP clip, Max Bear was a champ in the 20/30's. He was the father of Jethro in The Beverley Hillbilly's TV show. His fight vs James Braddock was also the basis for the boxing movie Cinderella Man (with Russell Crowe). Great movie, my favorite boxing movie ever (even better than Rocky IMO).
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Probably rightly so, I suppose, given the nature of it.
But everything from the local Golden Gloves in Brooklyn to heavyweight title bouts was of interest back in the day.
I do sometimes go down the rabbit hole of watching Ali's early fights again. To me he remains the greatest.
By nature of it, I suppose you mean the violence of it? If so, I can’t agree. Part of the decline of boxing has been the rise of the far more brutal MMA style of competition.
I thought about MMA, and I certainly see your point. But to me, MMA is somewhat of a fringe sport. (Again - that's to me, perhaps not others.) Back in the day, boxing was very mainstream. It was a local sport you could go see in person and for next to nothing at the lower levels, and as someone mentioned above, the big heavyweight fights were must-see TV (for free) on national TV. We talked about the fights in school the next day. I don't see MMA being that way (but I'm the first to admit I'm out of touch with a lot of stuff that folks younger than I follow... :-))
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By the way in the OP clip, Max Bear was a champ in the 20/30's. He was the father of Jethro in The Beverley Hillbilly's TV show. His fight vs James Braddock was also the basis for the boxing movie Cinderella Man (with Russell Crowe). Great movie, my favorite boxing movie ever (even better than Rocky IMO).
That's because back in the day all the good heavyweight title fights were on national TV. You didn't have to pony up $89 to watch it on PPV.
Not really true. For example, all of the Ali-Frazier fights were closed circuit (two of them title matches), as was the Ali-Norton title match at Yankee Stadium in '76.
Ali-Shavers and Ali-Spinks were title matches shown on free TV. Ali was a shell by then.
The Frazier-Foreman title match was on TV. That's why "Down goes Frazier" became so famous; everybody heard it.
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That's because back in the day all the good heavyweight title fights were on national TV. You didn't have to pony up $89 to watch it on PPV.
Not really true. For example, all of the Ali-Frazier fights were closed circuit (two of them title matches), as was the Ali-Norton title match at Yankee Stadium in '76.
Well, OK. Maybe not all. Yes, I remember going to the theater to see what I thought was a recorded entire first Ali-Frazier fight. Instead, it was highlights followed by the movie Rio Lobo.
I saw Ali-Frazier III in the theater live for I believe about $3.50. I remember Don Dunphy was the announcer.
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and Hitman Hearns. Both undefeated, the traditional boxer vs fighter conflict. They just basically stood in the middle of the ring and pummeled each other. Hagler knocked him out, what a 3 rounds it was.
By the way in the OP clip, Max Bear was a champ in the 20/30's. He was the father of Jethro in The Beverley Hillbilly's TV show. His fight vs James Braddock was also the basis for the boxing movie Cinderella Man (with Russell Crowe). Great movie, my favorite boxing movie ever (even better than Rocky IMO).
Tremendous action fight. Furious punching. One of the best pure action fights I ever saw.
But the Thilla in Manila - Ali v Frazer III was the best. Two top heavyweights basically toe to toe for 14 rounds until Eddie Fuch wouldn't let Joe go back out for the 15th because both of his eye were swollen shut.
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Still, as a Taylor fan and one who wanted to see Chavez lose this was one rough ending.
In comment 16292403 PatersonPlank said:
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and Hitman Hearns. Both undefeated, the traditional boxer vs fighter conflict. They just basically stood in the middle of the ring and pummeled each other. Hagler knocked him out, what a 3 rounds it was.
By the way in the OP clip, Max Bear was a champ in the 20/30's. He was the father of Jethro in The Beverley Hillbilly's TV show. His fight vs James Braddock was also the basis for the boxing movie Cinderella Man (with Russell Crowe). Great movie, my favorite boxing movie ever (even better than Rocky IMO).
Seemed like a really nice guy from my brief experience.
Love seeing Gatti mentioned. He was a true warrior, and a better person. RIP my friend. I spent a lot of time in the early 2000’s training with fighters like him, Hopkins, and Jermain Taylor.
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Love Cinderella Man. Great boxing and Depression era film. What’s your option of the Hagler-Leonard fight? I think Hagler got jobbed!
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and Hitman Hearns. Both undefeated, the traditional boxer vs fighter conflict. They just basically stood in the middle of the ring and pummeled each other. Hagler knocked him out, what a 3 rounds it was.
By the way in the OP clip, Max Bear was a champ in the 20/30's. He was the father of Jethro in The Beverley Hillbilly's TV show. His fight vs James Braddock was also the basis for the boxing movie Cinderella Man (with Russell Crowe). Great movie, my favorite boxing movie ever (even better than Rocky IMO).
I maintain to this day Hagler was robbed. Leonard won a couple of rounds and then ran away the rest of the fight. Hagler landed enough each round to have won.
Me too. Leaonard was a joke. run away for 2:30 and then try to look busy the last 30 seconds. Hagler didn't help himslef by agreeing to a bigger ring. He wanted the payday and agreed to everything Leonard wanted.
Seemed like a really nice guy from my brief experience.
I'd have more respect for him if he actually tried to hit Mike Tyson. More like Bone-clutcher.
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