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NFT: Smoking meat over the years - Equipment

I Love Clams Casino : 11/17/2023 10:54 am
Ya know, I have done a lot of meat smoking over the years........

So for you home smokers (not competition...you guys are a whole other breed!) here's what I've learned over the years. Given it's anecdotal, but I think I'm close to the mark here...opinions thoughts etc are welcome!

I've owned a C.O.S (cheap offset smoker) vertical water smokers, Weber kettle grill, coupled with a PitMaster IQ.... I now own a Ninja Woodfire Grill and a Masterbuilt 800 Gravity series.

I know that there are sometimes threads here asking for advice on what smoker to get. So in that regard I'll cut right to the chase, and then go over some of the reasons.

In my humble opinion, nothing beats a standard Weber kettle grill with temperature monitoring. This may be coupled with a passive temp controller (passive b/c it can increase temps, but obviously can't lower them) like a Pitmaster IQ.

Electric pellet smokers - To me, this is simulated smoking....it does not offer the full robust flavor nor the finish on the meat that naturally occurs when using coals and wood. The electronics are subject to failure at the point of the heating element, the power cord, etc, and is exacerbated by the fact that these electronics are stored outdoors......in other words...at some point it will fail you and then you are at the mercy of their customer support...coals and wood never fail

Offset smokers - probably my 2nd option. Can also be controlled with an electronic device like a Pitmaster IQ.
I feel, due to the size that the temps are a little harder to maintain, unless you have larger wood (huh-huh...I said "large wood!!). I could be wrong about that though. The key here with an offset smoker is buying one that has quality thicker metal. You will fight a leaky O.S.S all day, so it's essential to lay out the bucks for a quality one.....

Traditional smokers with built-in electronic to control temp. While these may be considered the "Cadillac" for home smokers, I'd advise against it. My experience is with the MasterBuilt Gravity 800 series which cost me about $750 and about another $200 in replacement parts. I've smoked some fine meals on this grill. The smoke flavor isn't as intense as other methods. From Day 1, I noticed the electronics were quirky. I supposed this was because of the cold weather when I first purchased it. I am still not sure if that's the case, but I think cold weather has something to do with it. At any rate, smoky grills, with rich fat meats and rubs, marinades etc, that are stored outside (even with MFR's cover) DO NOT MIX...It's not a question of IF your electronics fail, but rather WHEN....for the money, if you're happy with less than optimal smoke, cooking about 20 meals and then trashing it...have it it!, otherwise stay away!

Big Green Egg, Komodo, etc "clay oven type" smokers....No experience....but from afar, I can't imagine why anybody would get one of these?...not to offend anybody with one of these grills, but essentially isn't this 2 clay pots, hinged with a rubber gasket, and a coal grate and cooking grate? I don't see the advantage over a plain standard Weber kettle grill, and for the exorbitant price, I don't get it???

Vertical water smoker - I've only owned a cheap one, very early on. I understand that the Weber vertical water smoker produces excellent smoked meats, but I shied away from these after my first experience....especially since water can be added to any traditional pit smoker.

Weber kettle grill smoking. The superior quality of the Weber provides for a very tight chamber. You can off-set the coals to one side, or you can do a "snake" method. The superior construction also lends itself to awesome temperature control. Once your fire is going, you could almost control it in 1 degree increments by adjusting the bottom vents. The kettle shape lends itself to a nice rich robust smoke and if wanted, you can easily add a small water pan to the bottom next to the coals. If you MUST have automated temperature control, it does complicate things a bit. A Pitmaster IQ is my rec, it attaches to your grills vents with an air hose, fan and temp monitoring. The set-up though is actually more expensive than the grill itself even for the bottom of the line model of the Pitmaster IQ. If you don't mind tending to your vents once in a while, I'd recommend a good quality (ThermoPro?) pit thermometer......don't buy ThermoPros on Amazon....must be company direct....(too many fakes)


Did I miss anything? Thoughts experience, ideas, etc are welcome....

Have a Great Thanksgiving everybody!!...my wife is cooking a traditional turkey in the oven, but I will also smoke a nice big breast (huh-huh) in my Weber. Purchased a brining kit and rub from Kosmos BBQ....hoping for good results!




As always, to each their own  
emcca005 : 11/17/2023 11:35 am : link
I agree with you here but wanted to add that I love the timing of this post personally. I teach social studies in a tiny school in upstate NY but this year I created an elective called regional foods. Currently we are in the southeast and I've really just been focusing on BBQ (don't worry I'm hitting on all major region of bbq). Today I towed one of our rotisserie smokers for the family business to school to show the students how this one works. I also threw my offset smoker in the back of the truck to show them an at home option.
As someone who got started with the Weber Bullets and have multiple Weber options in the backyard, I agree they are still the most consistent quality option out there.
I've had good results with an electronic pellet smoker  
regulator : 11/17/2023 12:03 pm : link
that I augment with a propane garden torch, charcoal grill, gas grill, cast iron flat top and, on the front end of a cook, sous vide.

You point out a key issue: electronics failure. That happens with some regularity, but I store my unit in the garage. Keeping it outside in the elements in the Northeast is a recipe for early failure.
The only thing I ever  
pjcas18 : 11/17/2023 12:11 pm : link
used is a Weber Smokey Mountain with a temp regulator. I had an IQ120 and now have a Flame Boss 500.

I always get great results.

Electric smokers are way easier obviously - basically set it and forget it, my neighbor has one, but it seems like cooking in an oven to me, so what's the point? Why not just put it in your oven with some liquid smoke or even soaked wood chips if they won't burn.

pellet smokers seem like a good option, but the Weber smoker is so cheap and the results so consistent I never had a need to explore other smokers.
Pit Barrel Cooker  
AnnapolisMike : 11/17/2023 12:13 pm : link
I really don't think anything beats the simplicity of it. Does a great job with everything I have thrown at it and it is reasonable in cost. I will do our turkey in it for the 4th year in a row and it has always been perfect. It is a higher temp cook 275-300F but everything has always turned out great.

If I wanted something that required more attention or got closer to that magical 225-250 cook temp. I would go with the Weber Smokey Mountain series. But honestly I hate having to fiddle around with the temps for 5-6 hours. Pit Barrel is a light it and leave it situation.
I use a pellet smoker more now  
Mark from Jersey : 11/17/2023 1:09 pm : link
But my Pit Barrel Cooker everything tastes better.
RE: The only thing I ever  
aimrocky : 11/17/2023 1:34 pm : link
In comment 16292264 pjcas18 said:
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used is a Weber Smokey Mountain with a temp regulator. I had an IQ120 and now have a Flame Boss 500.

I always get great results.

Electric smokers are way easier obviously - basically set it and forget it, my neighbor has one, but it seems like cooking in an oven to me, so what's the point? Why not just put it in your oven with some liquid smoke or even soaked wood chips if they won't burn.

pellet smokers seem like a good option, but the Weber smoker is so cheap and the results so consistent I never had a need to explore other smokers.


+1

I upgraded from the IQ 120 to Flame Boss this past summer and it essentially makes the WSM Bullet "set it and forget it" (only real maintenance is adding coal). Granted the combined cost of the WSM Bullet + Flame Boss is about the same as a Traeger, the flavor is much better with the coal + wood. I haven't had the desire to look for anything different.
I got 10 years out of my Grilla pellet smoker  
Larry from WV : 11/17/2023 1:55 pm : link
Before it lost its mind and the electronics got fried. In those 10 years it worked well enough that I didn't even think twice before ordering a new one.
Spider Grills "Venom" controller for Weber Kettle is fantastic.  
81_Great_Dane : 11/17/2023 2:50 pm : link
I've modded my Weber Kettle with grommets for temperature probes, a Venom controller and a gasket around the rim of the cover. It smokes beautifully. Now, I'm not really that good at it yet, but the grill isn't what's holding me back.
I own 4 smokers right now.  
larryflower37 : 11/17/2023 3:10 pm : link
It seems like a collect them over the years
My favorite is an offset vertical smoker it allows me to put real wood in it (which is a fun shopping experience) but it's more work than any other I own.
I still use my cheating pellet grill which seems lazy and effortless but I get a good night sleep.
But nothing beats a good offset smoker.
RE: The only thing I ever  
RobCrossRiver56 : 11/17/2023 8:23 pm : link
In comment 16292264 pjcas18 said:
Quote:
used is a Weber Smokey Mountain with a temp regulator. I had an IQ120 and now have a Flame Boss 500.

I always get great results.

Electric smokers are way easier obviously - basically set it and forget it, my neighbor has one, but it seems like cooking in an oven to me, so what's the point? Why not just put it in your oven with some liquid smoke or even soaked wood chips if they won't burn.

pellet smokers seem like a good option, but the Weber smoker is so cheap and the results so consistent I never had a need to explore other smokers.


I have a WSM and a smokey Joe and feel the exact same way..
There is no best  
steve in ky : 11/17/2023 8:32 pm : link
Because what’s best for one person isn’t necessarily best for the next person

Personally I enjoy using my Weber and doing everything manually. For me it’s relaxing and the process is kind of a hobby. But I’m retired with plenty of time on my side. I can completely understand why someone else would maybe prefer a set it and forget it type of smoker.

The thing is for everyone to find out what it is that they enjoy the most, and that one is then the best
I agree with you on live fire over pellets,  
smshmth8690 : 11/17/2023 10:47 pm : link
but for convenience pellet grills definitely have a place, as does the Big Green Egg. I think Aaron Franklin's description Kamados is acurate, he says they are a smolderer, not a smoker. I think a BGE puts more smoke on meats than a pellet grill, but not as much as an offset. The real question is for the OP, not about a smoker, but why would anyone by a brine kit, and not just mix together their own brine ingredients ? (kidding) Happy Thanksgiving.
RE: I agree with you on live fire over pellets,  
I Love Clams Casino : 11/18/2023 10:39 am : link
In comment 16292830 smshmth8690 said:
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but for convenience pellet grills definitely have a place, as does the Big Green Egg. I think Aaron Franklin's description Kamados is acurate, he says they are a smolderer, not a smoker. I think a BGE puts more smoke on meats than a pellet grill, but not as much as an offset. The real question is for the OP, not about a smoker, but why would anyone by a brine kit, and not just mix together their own brine ingredients ? (kidding) Happy Thanksgiving.


LOL. I know, riiiight? The advertising got me…”Award winning”. Looked at the ingredients after I got it…..and thought “I could’ve easily made this”
this thread should be pinned  
markky : 11/18/2023 12:37 pm : link
thanks for posting
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